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TIMN: Future Android Versions Optimized for Intel
http://thisismynext.com/2011/09/13/i...tom-processor/
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09-14-2011, 02:37 AM | #2 |
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Have they fixed power consumption, though? For normal desktop processors, Intel's very good when it comes to power consumption and efficiency. However, their current Atom offerings just can't quite compare to ARM.
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I find Windows going multi-platform much better news.
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09-14-2011, 08:16 AM | #4 |
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Which is one of the main reasons given for porting to ARM processors...
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09-14-2011, 10:12 AM | #5 |
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09-15-2011, 11:15 AM | #6 |
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Yes to fixing power consumption. The chip they have planned for the first half of 2013 can run indefinitely on a solar panel -- kind of like the solar powered calculators.
Of course this doesn't apply to the display or any wireless/radio so we won't be seeing plugless tablets for quite some time. Also, note that this doesn't imply that Android will be only optimized for Intel. My read is that Intel optimizations will now be on a par with those included for ARM -- although that wasn't explicitly stated. |
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One thing that you guys need to keep in mind, that with Windows going multi architecture isn't effective unless you have support for it (and I don't just mean from MS). Windows has actually run on processors other than x86 for years, but it wasn't supported by third party companies. For instance, have any of you guys run the 64bit version of XP? Yeah, it blew chunks and you could run very little. It was even worse on the Itanium, PowerPC, Alpha, and MIPS processors. The way that Windows applications are made, they're very much tied into the architecture that they're developed for. For the most part, until very recently, most windows apps were 32bit x86 only. They could run on some 64bit machines, because the AMD64 and x86-64 systems were designed with backwards compatibility in the chips themselves, but there are still quirks and issues however. If you would try to run an x86 executable on a non x86 machine without emulation, even if it is a windows app and you have Windows on the alternative processor, you'll meet failure. Apple, when they switched Motorola to PowerPC, PPC 32bit to PPC64, and also with the switch to Intel, kept things compatible by including some emulation, as well as enabling their tools to include executable code for each of the systems in one binary package (key word here being package, since the apps themselves aren't actually one binary file).
Given how Windows binaries are made, I don't see that as being a likely solution (it is theoretically possible, with a few methods being possible), and many people balk at emulation since it is often slower. Long story short, Windows on ARM? Big whoop. Come to me when it is actually usable. Android on x86, easy, since apps aren't native to the arch. |
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09-16-2011, 09:52 AM | #9 |
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Even if not done with Java, just the fact of using a VM for the code was smart. Plus with Java, do have more support, since a good number of people know it, and it is kin with the C languages, to bring over other programmers
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Going BACK to multi-platform. Don't forget that it's been multi-platform in the past. NT was originally available for DEC Alpha and IBM/Motorola PowerPC CPUs as well as for Intel.
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With Visual Studio that can cross platform and actual demand for applications on non-x86 CPUs (assuming, people would actually use windows on Arm ), I pity Intel. Who's locked to Wintel at the moment? Gaming crowd (DirectX), MS Office users. "I just want to browser web/ watch video/check emails" consumers will be swept away from wintel to tablets and co. MS just doesn't want to go down with x86, it's not much of an anti-intel move. |
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The non-Intel NT platforms were, if memory serves me correctly, pretty much exclusively high-end workstations. They were going after the market that was dominated at the time by Sun.
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