Register Guidelines E-Books Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   MobileRead Forums > E-Book General > Reading Recommendations > Book Clubs

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 08-08-2011, 04:44 AM   #31
fantasyfan
Guru
fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
fantasyfan's Avatar
 
Posts: 828
Karma: 8177718
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Ireland
Device: Kindle Paperwhite 2G Wi-Fi only, iPad, iPod Touch 3G, iPad Air
Nice Review Bookworm_Girl!

On the Esther-John Jarndyce relationship, it's interesting that Esther, before the marriage proposal does see JJ as a father figure and even says that to him. I recall that when she does so, JJ is rather upset about that! {though he hides his disappointment} I think it's clear in hindsight that Dickens had no intention of having their personal relationship develop along romantic lines.

I keep wondering if there is some emotional echo of Dickens' own relationship with his sister-in-law whom he idolised and who was much younger than he. (However, she never got married}
fantasyfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2011, 01:10 PM   #32
Bookworm_Girl
E-reader Enthusiast
Bookworm_Girl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookworm_Girl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookworm_Girl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookworm_Girl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookworm_Girl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookworm_Girl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookworm_Girl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookworm_Girl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookworm_Girl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookworm_Girl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookworm_Girl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Bookworm_Girl's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,959
Karma: 9832413
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Southwest, USA
Device: Sony 350, T2; KPW2; iPad Mini Retina; Nooks
Quote:
Originally Posted by fantasyfan View Post
On the Esther-John Jarndyce relationship, it's interesting that Esther, before the marriage proposal does see JJ as a father figure and even says that to him. I recall that when she does so, JJ is rather upset about that! {though he hides his disappointment} I think it's clear in hindsight that Dickens had no intention of having their personal relationship develop along romantic lines.

I keep wondering if there is some emotional echo of Dickens' own relationship with his sister-in-law whom he idolised and who was much younger than he. (However, she never got married}
Yes, I thought it was clear that by the end Esther would marry Allan. I do agree that Esther's character is modeled after his sister-in-law, Georgina. Esther's devotion / duty to home life is one of her greatest virtues in John's eyes. She is presented with the trust of the basket of household keys nearly immediately after she arrives to his home. Also, instead of being upset that Allan is better suited for her, John promotes their marriage and offers them a lovely home which is modeled with all of Esther's quirks in the way of setting up the gardens and interior. To pay such attention to those details shows how much he values them. All of her pet nicknames emphasize this part of her character too.

I did a little research of Dickens's biography last year when I read the fiction novel Drood by Dan Simmons. Drood is about the last 5 years of Dickens's life after the Staplehurst rail crash and up to his death while writing The Mystery of Edwin Drood as told through the eyes of his friend / colleague Wilkie Collins. This book relates how he had a terrible marriage to Caroline and how important his sister-in-law was to the management of his household and the raising of his many children.

Last edited by Bookworm_Girl; 08-08-2011 at 01:13 PM.
Bookworm_Girl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2011, 03:31 PM   #33
fantasyfan
Guru
fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
fantasyfan's Avatar
 
Posts: 828
Karma: 8177718
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Ireland
Device: Kindle Paperwhite 2G Wi-Fi only, iPad, iPod Touch 3G, iPad Air
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bookworm_Girl;1693193
I did a little research of Dickens's biography last year when I read the fiction novel [I
Drood[/I] by Dan Simmons. Drood is about the last 5 years of Dickens's life after the Staplehurst rail crash and up to his death while writing The Mystery of Edwin Drood as told through the eyes of his friend / colleague Wilkie Collins. This book relates how he had a terrible marriage to Caroline and how important his sister-in-law was to the management of his household and the raising of his many children.
That's very interesting. Have you by any chance read the biography Charles Dickens by Una Pope-Hennessy? It's not all that recent, being published in 1945 by Chatto & Windus with a paperback edition in 1970 by Penguin. One of the things that really impressed me was Pope-Hennessy's analysis of the unravelling of Dickens' marriage and the part played in it by Georgina.
fantasyfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2011, 06:45 PM   #34
Bookworm_Girl
E-reader Enthusiast
Bookworm_Girl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookworm_Girl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookworm_Girl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookworm_Girl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookworm_Girl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookworm_Girl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookworm_Girl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookworm_Girl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookworm_Girl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookworm_Girl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Bookworm_Girl ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Bookworm_Girl's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,959
Karma: 9832413
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Southwest, USA
Device: Sony 350, T2; KPW2; iPad Mini Retina; Nooks
I confess my research was mostly via internet sites, and I also downloaded a collection of letters between Dickens and Collins that I think I found on Google Books. I found this website link to be very good for everything Dickens. The Family and Friends page is especially detailed.
http://charlesdickenspage.com/
Bookworm_Girl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-10-2011, 08:26 PM   #35
Hamlet53
Empress Dowager Cixi
Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Hamlet53's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,758
Karma: 45944891
Join Date: Mar 2009
Device: Kindle PW, Kindle Fire HDX 8.9"
Tossing another thought into one aspect of the most current discussion . . .

I had always read that David Copperfield was considered that most autobiographical of Dickens' novels. That and the character of Agnes Wickfield in that novel was modeled on the love of Dickens' life. Consider the ending from David Copperfield:

Quote:
And now, as I close my task, subduing my desire to linger yet, these faces fade away. But one face, shining on me like a Heavenly light by which I see all other objects, is above them and beyond them all. And that remains.

I turn my head, and see it, in its beautiful serenity, beside me. My lamp burns low, and I have written far into the night; but the dear presence, without which I were nothing, bears me company.

O Agnes, O my soul, so may thy face be by me when I close my life indeed; so may I, when realities are melting from me, like the shadows which I now dismiss, still find thee near me, pointing upward!
Hamlet53 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-11-2011, 09:36 AM   #36
arkietech
Connoisseur
arkietech shares his or her toysarkietech shares his or her toysarkietech shares his or her toysarkietech shares his or her toysarkietech shares his or her toysarkietech shares his or her toysarkietech shares his or her toysarkietech shares his or her toysarkietech shares his or her toysarkietech shares his or her toysarkietech shares his or her toys
 
arkietech's Avatar
 
Posts: 64
Karma: 5918
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: NW Arkansas
Device: pc
It is sad to draw to the end of a good read. Soon I will have to leave all my friends at Bleak House and London for the riots, downgrades and defaults of the real world.
arkietech is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2011, 07:52 AM   #37
astrangerhere
Professor of Law
astrangerhere ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.astrangerhere ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.astrangerhere ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.astrangerhere ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.astrangerhere ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.astrangerhere ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.astrangerhere ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.astrangerhere ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.astrangerhere ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.astrangerhere ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.astrangerhere ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
astrangerhere's Avatar
 
Posts: 947
Karma: 10315836
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Chapel Hill / Charlotte, NC
Device: Kobo Aura HD, NookSTR, KoboMini
Quote:
Originally Posted by arkietech View Post
It is sad to draw to the end of a good read. Soon I will have to leave all my friends at Bleak House and London for the riots, downgrades and defaults of the real world.
Or you could just go to the library (or right here on MR) and borrow another world for a while.
astrangerhere is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2011, 09:08 AM   #38
Hamlet53
Empress Dowager Cixi
Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Hamlet53 ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Hamlet53's Avatar
 
Posts: 3,758
Karma: 45944891
Join Date: Mar 2009
Device: Kindle PW, Kindle Fire HDX 8.9"
Quote:
Originally Posted by astrangerhere View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by arkietech View Post
It is sad to draw to the end of a good read. Soon I will have to leave all my friends at Bleak House and London for the riots, downgrades and defaults of the real world.
Or you could just go to the library (or right here on MR) and borrow another world for a while.
Yes my solution to the current situation is to start on a new book as soon as I finish the last. Though with the performance of the stock market over the last couple of weeks I feel I should perhaps make time to read a non-Fiction book that has been on my TBR list for a long while; The Myth of the Rational Market: A History of Risk, Reward, and Delusion on Wall Street by Justin Fox.
Hamlet53 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-12-2011, 07:57 PM   #39
fantasyfan
Guru
fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.fantasyfan ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
fantasyfan's Avatar
 
Posts: 828
Karma: 8177718
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Ireland
Device: Kindle Paperwhite 2G Wi-Fi only, iPad, iPod Touch 3G, iPad Air
Quote:
Originally Posted by arkietech View Post
It is sad to draw to the end of a good read. Soon I will have to leave all my friends at Bleak House and London for the riots, downgrades and defaults of the real world.
Yes, it certainly was a great read! Dickens will always give value for the time and effort spent on his novels. Whatever its flaws, I really enjoyed Bleak House. A wonderful humanity does come through.
fantasyfan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-13-2011, 04:37 PM   #40
paola
Wizard
paola ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.paola ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.paola ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.paola ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.paola ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.paola ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.paola ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.paola ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.paola ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.paola ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.paola ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
paola's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,757
Karma: 5274946
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: UK
Device: Pocketbook Pro 903, (beloved Pocketbook 360 RIP), Kobo Mini, Kobo Aura
Quote:
Originally Posted by fantasyfan View Post
Yes, it certainly was a great read! Dickens will always give value for the time and effort spent on his novels. Whatever its flaws, I really enjoyed Bleak House. A wonderful humanity does come through.
you know what, I did not enjoy it very much while reading it, but I've noticed that it has stayed with me quite a bit - these rather "flat" characters after all put together form quite a picture. And the discussion here has greatly improved my "post-read musings", so a bing thank you to all of you!
paola is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
book club, dickens, discussion, english classics, literary

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Literary The MobileRead Literary Book Club June 2011 Discussion: The Master And Margarita sun surfer Book Clubs 87 08-19-2011 05:16 PM
Literary The MobileRead Literary Book Club July 2011 Vote sun surfer Book Clubs 56 07-19-2011 05:11 PM
Literary The MobileRead Literary Book Club July 2011 Nominations sun surfer Book Clubs 85 06-28-2011 11:38 AM
Literary The MobileRead Literary Book Club June 2011 Vote sun surfer Book Clubs 54 05-31-2011 01:18 AM
Literary The MobileRead Literary Book Club June 2011 Nominations sun surfer Book Clubs 76 05-27-2011 09:46 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:19 AM.


MobileRead.com is a privately owned, operated and funded community.