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Old 07-23-2011, 01:33 AM   #16
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the physical space ebooks save makes them worth their salt and qualifies them as its own entity instead of just a pbook companion.

also the advanced font rendering and sizing and the pearl screens push them past pbooks IMHO.

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Old 07-23-2011, 04:41 AM   #17
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These two points here are an excellent example of fair use. You buy a CD, and you need to rip it to MP3 to use on a different device. You buy a book, you need to scan it to use it on a different device. Just because one is easier than the other, it doesn't mean you should get the different format for free because it would take longer. You want it digitized? You do the work.
^ this.

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and if you buy the audio MP3 album do you think you are entitled to a physical CD for free?
^ and this.

Can't say I disagree with the wishful thinking behind the OP's post, but indeed, these guys have hit the nail on the head as far as I am concerned. Ripping an audio CD takes 2-30 minutes. Scanning Stephen King's Dark Tower series?

Clear your calendar.

But 100% agree with pidgeon92 - there is nothing to prevent me from scanning [and proofing and converting and formatting] any of my thousands of physical books, same as with ripping my thousands of CDs/records/tapes.
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Old 07-23-2011, 10:47 AM   #18
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I don't expect to get a physical copy for free when I buy a digital file, or vice versa, but I would happily pay more for a package that offered both, especially for favorite backlist titles.

I have tattered paperbacks that I would like to replace; some have been reissued in the last few years in both hard copy and digital form. I chose to buy e-book versions for (mostly) $12.99 apiece; the trade paper reissues were about the same price, so replacing those as well would have cost me about $25 for each title. I absolutely would have purchased a bundle for, say, $20.

The publisher gets more money from me, I'm happy I get a discount--why not offer the package deal as an option?
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Old 07-23-2011, 11:59 AM   #19
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These two points here are an excellent example of fair use. You buy a CD, and you need to rip it to MP3 to use on a different device. You buy a book, you need to scan it to use it on a different device. Just because one is easier than the other, it doesn't mean you should get the different format for free because it would take longer. You want it digitized? You do the work.
I don't understand why people think they should be given another version at no additional cost. Law is quite clear, you gotta move it to the other format yourself, or else you're at the mercy of the content owner who may charge you.

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and if you buy the audio MP3 album do you think you are entitled to a physical CD for free?
Physical CD off the shelf, no. Legally fully within your right to create your own CD, but that boils back down to the issue as before. You have to do it yourself.
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These two points here are an excellent example of fair use. You buy a CD, and you need to rip it to MP3 to use on a different device. You buy a book, you need to scan it to use it on a different device. Just because one is easier than the other, it doesn't mean you should get the different format for free because it would take longer. You want it digitized? You do the work.
Yes indeed


How did we ever come to "I want everything for
free and for someone else to do the work for me"
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Old 07-23-2011, 12:11 PM   #21
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free and for someone else to do the work for me"
The internet.
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I scanned, proofread & formatted Wilson's The Occult so I could read it on my ereader. It's 800 pages. I've scanned several shorter books.

The initial learning curve is steep, as are the setup costs, but once those are past, scanning books for personal use isn't too much effort. It's frustrating that the effort's only for one person; it feels horribly selfish to spend all that time on a project that only benefits me. But plenty of people spend more effort on personal projects.
a bit off topic, but do you have any spesific program you use when scanning books?
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True, but that wasn't the question, was it?
That's because your question was rather ridiculous. "If you buy an mp3 album should you get the CD for free?" It's not what we are talking about all and you should be able to see the flaw in your reasoning almost immediately.
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I don't understand why people think they should be given another version at no additional cost. Law is quite clear, you gotta move it to the other format yourself, or else you're at the mercy of the content owner who may charge you.
Is that what the law says? I've never heard that before. But that is what many people here are saying: if you want to make your own digital copy, then fine. There's a flaw here too, someone else has made a digital copy already. In the case of the CD, it's akin to my owning a CD, and then copying the mp3 album from another server or friend.

Well if someone has made the eBook already and I download that, why is that any worse than if I created my own e-book? Are we suggesting that having to perform the labor of the media's creation legitimizes its ownership?
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Are we suggesting that having to perform the labor of the media's creation legitimizes its ownership?
Yes. Though it is more manipulation than creation.
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The internet.

and "free" cellphones.
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I don't mind having to buy a new copy so much as I mind the high price (often more than the original pbook cost) not to mention the DRM which as it is restricts the reader from having a back up copy that isn't on the seller's server. I mean even if incidents like with 1984 are rare they can still happen. If the prices came down to a more reasonable level and the DRM was changed to a personalized watermark rather than restricting the readers ability to read a book to just one unit I'd be happy.
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Do people not understand that the only reason publishers turned books into ebooks was to sell them? Offering the ebook version for free makes zero sense for the seller, unless they also sell hardware to read them. Publishers don't make any ereaders I'm aware of.
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Well if someone has made the eBook already and I download that, why is that any worse than if I created my own e-book? Are we suggesting that having to perform the labor of the media's creation legitimizes its ownership?
yes exactly. if someone else creates the digital version from the paper version and then starts giving away copies, its wrong. it violates the rights of the people who created the paper book in the first place.

Its your right to "format shift"( in some countries its illegal to do even that) for the purpose of archiving the work or for listening/watching/reading it in a way you could not in its original format. that means you do the work. you're asking to buy it once - hard cover- and saying you have a right then to any subsequent version they produce. ludicrous.

Why limit your self to getting just the digital version for free? maybe when you buy the paper version you should get the digital, audiobook and graphic novel versions free as well. and the digital version of the graphic novel.

maybe because you bought the VHS version of Bambi years ago you should get the BluRay version for free?



It is the right of the people who produce the work to offer a package like that. I bought a couple of CD compilations in the last couple years that also including links/codes to download the mp3 versions and some videos etc. I paid more than for the CDs alone set but less than I chose to buy the the CDs and MP3 versions seperately.
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a bit off topic, but do you have any spesific program you use when scanning books?
I use ABBYY Finereader. If you are looking for open source alternatives, I suggest you check out dyibookscanner.org.
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