Why we don't host apps at MobileRead

Nate the great · 07-17-2011, 03:40 PM

A few days ago I deleted an app that one user had uploaded. At the time I did it I was applying an old and established forum policy, and the app was a clear violation.

I was asked today to clarify and explain the policy.

We have a clear policy which applies to all content at MR, which is that copyrighted material can only be uploaded with the copyright holder's permission. That applies equally to books and apps.

What this rule means is that MR does not host copyrighted content unless we know that it was released under GPL, CC, or some other license that makes it okay for us to host and distribute a copy or if the author uploads a copy.

This rule has mainly been applied to ebooks, not apps, but the issue of apps has come up before. It was over 3 years ago, and the app was Mobipocket Desktop. I was not allowed to post a copy to MR because it was copyrighted.

crich70 · 07-20-2011, 05:49 AM

Interesting. I always just figured that it was a matter of mobile read just being for ebooks and apps not being included because they are basically computer programming, though I can see the point that they are under copyright unless otherwise released as well.

kennyc · 07-20-2011, 06:38 AM

And even the copyright thing is flakey.

There are books posted for download that are certainly still covered by copyright in some countries.

We've been through this before, but I'm certain certain people will now pop up and say, "Oh ...but...."

ficbot · 07-20-2011, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

And even the copyright thing is flakey. There are books posted for download that are certainly still covered by copyright in some countries.

It's not flaky at all. My understanding was that since the server is in Canada, the rule is that the book must be public domain in Canada. If you happen to live in a country that is not Canada (or another life+50 country) that is your own issue and you are free to not download the book. Just because you live in a different country than the server does, it doesn't mean the rule is 'flaky.'

hidari · 07-20-2011, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kennyc

And even the copyright thing is flakey.

There are books posted for download that are certainly still covered by copyright in some countries.

We've been through this before, but I'm certain certain people will now pop up and say, "Oh ...but...."

Don't FLAKE out on us Kennyc.... We need you down in the P&R SWAMP. Keep up the fight. Kennyc. We are rooting for you....Don't worry brother we are all stardust brothers....

kennyc · 07-20-2011, 11:20 AM

kennyc · 07-20-2011, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ficbot

It's not flaky at all. My understanding was that since the server is in Canada, the rule is that the book must be public domain in Canada. If you happen to live in a country that is not Canada (or another life+50 country) that is your own issue and you are free to not download the book. Just because you live in a different country than the server does, it doesn't mean the rule is 'flaky.'

Yeah, yeah, we been through all that.....flaky.

crich70 · 07-22-2011, 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kennyc

And even the copyright thing is flakey.

There are books posted for download that are certainly still covered by copyright in some countries.

We've been through this before, but I'm certain certain people will now pop up and say, "Oh ...but...."

Probably true. Some people just have to argue a point even if it's been gone over with a fine toothed comb long before they hear of it. I tend to think it's because some people aren't happy unless they are arguing something. lol. Good old human nature, don't you just love it.

GeoffC · 07-23-2011, 04:07 AM

who's arguing ?

crich70 · 07-23-2011, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GeoffC

who's arguing ?

No one in particular. I just meant that if there is a topic somewhere, even if it has been gone over time and again someone somewhere will argue for this point or that point of the topic.

kennyc · 07-23-2011, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crich70

No one in particular. I just meant that if there is a topic somewhere, even if it has been gone over time and again someone somewhere will argue for this point or that point of the topic.

Truth!

Bilbo1967 · 07-23-2011, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crich70

No one in particular. I just meant that if there is a topic somewhere, even if it has been gone over time and again someone somewhere will argue for this point or that point of the topic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kennyc

Truth!

No, I don't believe that's true at all

kennyc · 07-23-2011, 03:17 PM

See what I mean!

crich70 · 07-25-2011, 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kennyc

See what I mean!

Touche kennyc. lol.

Freeshadow · 08-03-2011, 09:16 PM

So since we know now Why we don't host apps at MobileRead the only question remaining is Why we don't apply for hostesses for MobileRead-ers

@Nate

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07-17-2011, 03:40 PM	#1
Nate the great Sir Penguin of Edinburgh Posts: 10,055 Karma: 2784905 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: DC Metro area Device: Shake a stick plus 1	Why we don't host apps at MobileRead A few days ago I deleted an app that one user had uploaded. At the time I did it I was applying an old and established forum policy, and the app was a clear violation. I was asked today to clarify and explain the policy. We have a clear policy which applies to all content at MR, which is that copyrighted material can only be uploaded with the copyright holder's permission. That applies equally to books and apps. What this rule means is that MR does not host copyrighted content unless we know that it was released under GPL, CC, or some other license that makes it okay for us to host and distribute a copy or if the author uploads a copy. This rule has mainly been applied to ebooks, not apps, but the issue of apps has come up before. It was over 3 years ago, and the app was Mobipocket Desktop. I was not allowed to post a copy to MR because it was copyrighted. __________________ The Digital Reader blog - www.the-digital-reader.com

07-20-2011, 06:38 AM	#3
kennyc Priorities! Priorties! Posts: 29,976 Karma: 38412194 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2; Galaxy SIII; Xoom; Kindle Fire	And even the copyright thing is flakey. There are books posted for download that are certainly still covered by copyright in some countries. We've been through this before, but I'm certain certain people will now pop up and say, "Oh ...but...." __________________ Kenny A. Chaffin Art Gallery - Print Gallery - Writing&Poetry "Strive on with Awareness" - Siddhartha Gautama

07-20-2011, 11:20 AM	#6
kennyc Priorities! Priorties! Posts: 29,976 Karma: 38412194 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2; Galaxy SIII; Xoom; Kindle Fire	__________________ Kenny A. Chaffin Art Gallery - Print Gallery - Writing&Poetry "Strive on with Awareness" - Siddhartha Gautama

07-23-2011, 04:07 AM	#9
GeoffC Chocolate Grasshopper ... Posts: 26,711 Karma: 16550486 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Scotland Device: Cybook Gen3 , Pocketbook 302 (Black) , Nexus 10: wife has PW	who's arguing ? __________________ > My Cats

07-23-2011, 03:17 PM	#13
kennyc Priorities! Priorties! Posts: 29,976 Karma: 38412194 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denver, CO Device: Kindle2; Galaxy SIII; Xoom; Kindle Fire	See what I mean! __________________ Kenny A. Chaffin Art Gallery - Print Gallery - Writing&Poetry "Strive on with Awareness" - Siddhartha Gautama

07-20-2011, 05:49 AM	#2
crich70 Wizard Posts: 4,278 Karma: 14188835 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Monroe Wisconsin Device: K3, Kindle Paperwhite, Calibre, and Mobipocket for Pc (netbook)	Interesting. I always just figured that it was a matter of mobile read just being for ebooks and apps not being included because they are basically computer programming, though I can see the point that they are under copyright unless otherwise released as well.

08-03-2011, 09:16 PM	#15
Freeshadow temp. out of service Posts: 1,985 Karma: 10590862 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Duisburg (DE) Device: BeBook mini	So since we know now Why we don't host apps at MobileRead the only question remaining is Why we don't apply for hostesses for MobileRead-ers @Nate Spoiler: Sorry Nate, but... this title was just begging for the pun. May I ask for a helmet before the green club comes down? __________________ The reason for having edited one of my posts is a typo unless explicitly stated otherwise. As I am not a native (english) speaker feel free to correct my usage of idioms and expressions, as improvement in eloquence is taken as a gift.

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