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Old 03-27-2003, 05:30 AM   #16
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Old 03-27-2003, 12:24 PM   #17
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Hello,

I'm using iSilo v3.3 and the iSiloX beta v3.35b1b (neither is registered) on a Clie NR70 (PalmOS 4.1).

As far as the categories go, the iSiloX properties for a particular document says "Use category - News".

After hotsyncing, the document is in "Unfiled". If I change the category of the document in iSilo on the PDA to "News", it is then in "News".

Okay, now for Fonts. I played around with it some more and what I think is going on is that it uses 4 fonts (as described in the Isilo support web site):

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On devices with a 320x320 resolution or 240x320 resolution screen, four font sizes are available: tiny, small, standard, and large. The following is the default mapping assuming that the current display options have the font set to standard and relative mode:

tiny: If the font size is less than 9pt.
small: If the font size is at least 9pt but less than 12pt.
standard: If the font size is at least 12pt but less than 14pt.
large: If the font size is 14pt or greater.
The problem is that I'm pretty sure that some of these are mapped to "standard" fonts and some to "HR" fonts.

The evidence is that if I change the "Standard" setting in FontHack, then some of the fonts in my documents change. And (contrary to what I said above), if I change the "HRstandard" setting in FontHack, then other fonts change. (The reason I didn't notice this is that the ones that changed with "Standard" were the thin ones that I needed to change, and the ones that changed with "HRstandard" were not the ones I was trying to change, so I didn't notice the change).

It's likely that the reason you think it works (assuming that the N760C uses the same font setup for iSilo) is that none of your documents use particularly small fonts that you have tried to change.

One thing that I now positively know, which is the big problem, is that the Menus use "Standard" for the left column, and "HRstandard" for the right column. This means that any change to either font using FontHack123 will change the Menus - which are already fine, and become totally messed up if I use a "Standard" font that looks right in the Documents.

My guess is that iSilo is using something like:

tiny - Standard
small - Large
standard - HRstandard
large - HRlarge

This is with "relative" font sizes.

As I mentioned there is an additional oversight that makes "Absolute" difficult to use, in that "Bold" is not implemented when "Absolute" is selected, ie it uses that one font in all places, and does not use the Bold version of that font when called for. (Otherwise, I might be able to live with Absolute for certain daily News documents.)
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Interesting. I will look closer in what you said and check it with my iSilo. I have one question though... why do you want to replace the "Standard" font? If you try to only replace the 4 HR_ fonts as explained for the Lubak OS5 fonts, everything should look still fine. Of course, the tiny font will still be the original Clie tiny font (Standard as you I think correctly pointed out). Same for the small font.
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To restate, there are Isilo documents created by IsiloX from news web sites that use mainly the "Standard" font on my PDA.

Part of the problem here is that the word "standard" is being used for two or three different things. By "standard" I mean the font name in the left in FontHack123, for example:'

HRstandard > OS5 (0)

is something we both use in FontHack123.

If I change:

Standard > none

to some other font, then the font appearing in the Isilo document created by IsiloX is no longer too thin, but then the menus are messed up.

(If I use relative->Large, then some documents that are otherwise fine, then have too big a font size.)

What may be confusing you is that iSilo is using 8 fonts - tiny,small,standard,large - and the bold versions of each. Your mapping of the OS5 (which I also use) only covers 4 fonts.

Also note the terms "tiny,small,standard,large" are terms that are not used by FontHack123, and one has to experiment to find which 8 fonts are being used by iSilo (in terms of FontHack123's font names).

Here is a web page to convert in iSiloX so that you can see what I mean:

http://www.techbargains.com/pocket/index.cfm
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K Stuart: I don't understand your categorization problem. If I create a category on the handheld for a particular website, then sync the site back and forth once, the site goes into the correct handheld category thereafter. Is this not your experience? RadleyP
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To restate, there are Isilo documents created by IsiloX from news web sites that use mainly the "Standard" font on my PDA.

Part of the problem here is that the word "standard" is being used for two or three different things. By "standard" I mean the font name in the left in FontHack123, for example:'

HRstandard > OS5 (0)

is something we both use in FontHack123.

If I change:

Standard > none

to some other font, then the font appearing in the Isilo document created by IsiloX is no longer too thin, but then the menus are messed up.
I wouldn't change the Standard font or any other non-hires font. Only change the HR_ fonts and you don't run into the problem mentioned above.

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What may be confusing you is that iSilo is using 8 fonts - tiny,small,standard,large - and the bold versions of each. Your mapping of the OS5 (which I also use) only covers 4 fonts.
Yes, but the mapping is good for the main HR_Standard font, the font that should usually be most used in documents. If you also want to change the tiny fonts, I recommend you have a look at the Swiz fonts (the author also gives an example for a correct mapping).

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Here is a web page to convert in iSiloX so that you can see what I mean:
http://www.techbargains.com/pocket/index.cfm
Will take a look at it

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K Stuart: I don't understand your categorization problem. If I create a category on the handheld for a particular website, then sync the site back and forth once, the site goes into the correct handheld category thereafter. Is this not your experience? RadleyP
Aha! I figured out that problem.

If you already have an earlier version of the Document in a different category, the new updated version of the Document is put in the OLD category (in this case "Unfiled"), not in the category specified in IsiloX.

When I DELETED the earlier version of the Document which was in a different category, the new update went into the category specified in IsiloX.

I'm not sure is this is a "bug", but it at least should be a prominently documented "behavior"...

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What may be confusing you is that iSilo is using 8 fonts - tiny,small,standard,large - and the bold versions of each. Your mapping of the OS5 (which I also use) only covers 4 fonts.
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Yes, but the mapping is good for the main HR_Standard font, the font that should usually be most used in documents. If you also want to change the tiny fonts, I recommend you have a look at the Swiz fonts (the author also gives an example for a correct mapping).
What you are missing is that the SAME Standard font that is used in the menus IS being used by iSilo as either the "Tiny" or "Small" Font. Thus, if I make it look right in the document, then the menu is messed up...
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One more thing.

The iSiloX documentation says "An off-site link is defined as a link to a target in a different domain."

In actuality, different servers in the same domain are excluded when one excludes off-site links.

For example, I have a Weather URL which starts with http://printer.wunderground.com, and if off-site links are excluded, then http://radar.wunderground.com and http://autobrand.wunderground.com are also excluded.
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You are probably right. Thanks for clearing it up.

Will see if I find a solution to this.
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In actuality, different servers in the same domain are excluded when one excludes off-site links.

For example, I have a Weather URL which starts with http://printer.wunderground.com, and if off-site links are excluded, then http://radar.wunderground.com and http://autobrand.wunderground.com are also excluded.
The domains you listed are indeed different....they are all subdomains, and iSilo probably sees these as seperate domains, although they are probably on the same server. The routing for subdomains is a little different, and I think the flow leaves the initial domain to do so. I believe (guessing, really), that iSilo wants to start at a domain address and work within that, not jump out. Maybe iSilo can pop in here and explain further, but I think it's excluding those because they are not technically of the same domain.
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This is another question of documentation.

When Weather Underground weather information bought the "www.wunderground.com" domain name, they didn't have to separately buy any sub-domains.

Indeed the concept of "sub-" is that it is entirely included within the larger category.

If the software is designed to only include the exact sub-domain, then the documentation needs to reflect that.
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I agree. DC should fix this technical finesse in the iSilo manual.
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