quotes differences book view & code view

cybmole · 03-26-2011, 10:54 AM

why do I see proper curly quotes in code view but ugly diagonal quote replacements in book view, for the same book.

this seems to happen a lot, I guess it is because of sigil's choice of book view font but I don't know how to change the book view font - can i >

theducks · 03-26-2011, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cybmole

why do I see proper curly quotes in code view but ugly diagonal quote replacements in book view, for the same book.

this seems to happen a lot, I guess it is because of sigil's choice of book view font but I don't know how to change the book view font - can i >

Cybe
I think BV follows the stylesheet font

You have an ugly choice or system font set as default.

cybmole · 03-26-2011, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theducks

Cybe
I think BV follows the stylesheet font

You have an ugly choice or system font set as default.

well yes
I figured that much, but what controls the book view & code view fonts - they are clearly different so cannot be using the same system font, and books are fine when viewed in reader software so stylesheet fonts should be OK also

OK - I went through stylesheet & removed all font NAMES - just left bold, italic small large etc as is - book view now looks much better, so it seems that book view is using stuff from stylesheet. I still don't know what code view uses ???

theducks · 03-26-2011, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cybmole

well yes
I figured that much, but what controls the book view & code view fonts - they are clearly different so cannot be using the same system font, and books are fine when viewed in reader software so stylesheet fonts should be OK also

OK - I went through stylesheet & removed all font NAMES - just left bold, italic small large etc as is - book view now looks much better, so it seems that book view is using stuff from stylesheet. I still don't know what code view uses ???

I expect CV uses one of your OS's 'FIXED' fonts (Sigil CV looks slightly different in Ubuntu. Only slightly

)

WYSIWYG: BV should show as the reader does (or the fallback if the font is not available) if a font is called out in the Stylesheet.

cybmole · 03-26-2011, 05:24 PM

ok thanks - the 2 readers I own - sony & kindle both substitute their own fonts for what is specified in epub/mobi code, so a book typically looks fine on an actual reader, but when I go to edit it in sigil then the strange font definitions kick in & affect book view.

the specific book that was bugging me has some strange code in the html pages:

Code:

@page {
    margin-bottom: 5pt;
    margin-top: 5pt
    }
  @font-face {
    font-style: normal;
    font-family: Font_d3cfbc50-3e39-4d93-b1ef-c468eef0d5b4;
    src: url(../fonts/LiberationSerif-Regular.ttf);
    font-weight: normal
    }
  @font-face {
    font-style: italic;
    font-family: Font_d3cfbc50-3e39-4d93-b1ef-c468eef0d5b4;
    src: url(../fonts/LiberationSerif-Italic.ttf);
    font-weight: normal
    }
  @font-face {
    font-style: normal;
    font-family: Font_d3cfbc50-3e39-4d93-b1ef-c468eef0d5b4;
    src: url(../fonts/LiberationSerif-Bold.ttf);
    font-weight: bold
    }
  @font-face {
    font-style: italic;
    font-family: Font_d3cfbc50-3e39-4d93-b1ef-c468eef0d5b4;
    src: url(../fonts/LiberationSerif-BoldItalic.ttf);
    font-weight: bold
    }
  @font-face {
    font-style: italic;
    font-family: Font_d3cfbc50-3e39-4d93-b1ef-c468eef0d5b4;
    src: url(../fonts/LiberationSerif-Italic.ttf)
 .....


<body class="epub">
  <div class="calibre">

then it had a epub style defined in the styles sheet which also referenced a font with a long alphanumeric gibberish name which I have now removed

Code:

.epub {
    display: block;
     **** font name removed from here now ****
    font-size: 1em;
    line-height: 1.2;
    margin-bottom: 0;
    margin-left: 5pt;
    margin-right: 5pt;
    margin-top: 0;
    padding-left: 0;
    padding-right: 0
    }

I have not seen this anywhere else to data.

Toxaris · 03-26-2011, 06:03 PM

Let me guess... Source is Word?

theducks · 03-26-2011, 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toxaris

Let me guess... Source is Word?

Liberation (a free font) is available at the Calibre files download site.
http://calibre-ebook.com/downloads/liberation-fonts/

cybmole · 03-27-2011, 02:15 AM

hmmm, I'll try the download, is that link correct :

Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to calibre-ebook.com

& what's with the strange font names - why call a font
Font_d3cfbc50-3e39-4d93-b1ef-c468eef0d5b4 ???

theducks · 03-27-2011, 10:20 AM

Link correct: copied and pasted from the address bar of Firefox 4.0

( just tested link: OK)

No clue as the odd name. Why are you asking hard questions this early in the morning?

cybmole · 03-27-2011, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theducks

Link correct: copied and pasted from the address bar of Firefox 4.0

( just tested link: OK)

No clue as the odd name. Why are you asking hard questions this early in the morning?

link works fine for me now , also, must have been a short lasting glitch.
I think I have enough fonts already though, so I'll pass on installing them!

still puzzled by the weird font names though, but if it's only in 1 book then no big deal.

bfollowell · 03-28-2011, 06:37 AM

I've noticed this same problem. It wasn't always this way and just occurred a couple of months ago after an update. The ebooks I create/edit rarely have an embedded font and the css rarely have any font references at all. I think there's more at play here but I couldn't begin to tell you what it is.

- Byron

cybmole · 03-28-2011, 07:19 AM

I'm glad its not just me.

sigil is a great program but would be so much better with a simple user preferences screen where I could specify e.g. open in code or book view, use these zoom & font settings in book view.....

theducks · 03-28-2011, 10:45 AM

There was a time when a page would not remember a Zoom level if you switched views.

But my eyes have gotten lots older

, so I would like to see:

Overall preferences (used at startup if saved permanent by 'Apply as Default', session only if OK/close).

These would include:
separate Look and feel for CV and BV (Zoom level, window size (exists as 'last' now), button bar placement, include show/hide for buttons to reduce clutter))

Individual already open page settings would still work as current.

New Pages created from the 'Split' button would retain their original source page values of zoom.

cybmole · 03-29-2011, 01:53 AM

well if we're now wishing for the moon I'd want some settings stored on a per book edited basis. ( just like ereaders keep a per book settings file with last page read etc)

I'd want the find / replace recent entries stored per edited file, as well as stuff like last window size & view

03-26-2011, 10:54 AM	#1
cybmole Wizard Posts: 1,690 Karma: 772746 Join Date: Sep 2010 Device: Sony PRS 650, Kindle for PC	quotes differences book view & code view why do I see proper curly quotes in code view but ugly diagonal quote replacements in book view, for the same book. this seems to happen a lot, I guess it is because of sigil's choice of book view font but I don't know how to change the book view font - can i >

03-26-2011, 06:03 PM	#6
Toxaris Wizard Posts: 2,108 Karma: 927511 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Heemskerk, NL Device: PRS-300, PRS-T1	Let me guess... Source is Word? __________________ Creator and maintainer of the e-Book Tools Word add-in. Creator and maintainer of the Clean HTML macro for MS Word.

03-27-2011, 10:20 AM	#9
theducks Staff to 4 Cats Posts: 10,718 Karma: 2485850 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The (original) Silicon Valley, USA Device: Galaxy Tab 2,Black Astak PEz, K4NT(now Wifes)	Link correct: copied and pasted from the address bar of Firefox 4.0 ( just tested link: OK) No clue as the odd name. Why are you asking hard questions this early in the morning? __________________ Using: Ubuntu(32 bit):Oneric,Precise and XPpro SP3, W7HP(64)- - Libre Office w/Writer2EPUB

03-28-2011, 10:45 AM	#13
theducks Staff to 4 Cats Posts: 10,718 Karma: 2485850 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The (original) Silicon Valley, USA Device: Galaxy Tab 2,Black Astak PEz, K4NT(now Wifes)	There was a time when a page would not remember a Zoom level if you switched views. But my eyes have gotten lots older , so I would like to see: Overall preferences (used at startup if saved permanent by 'Apply as Default', session only if OK/close). These would include: separate Look and feel for CV and BV (Zoom level, window size (exists as 'last' now), button bar placement, include show/hide for buttons to reduce clutter)) Individual already open page settings would still work as current. New Pages created from the 'Split' button would retain their original source page values of zoom. __________________ Using: Ubuntu(32 bit):Oneric,Precise and XPpro SP3, W7HP(64)- - Libre Office w/Writer2EPUB

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03-27-2011, 02:15 AM	#8
cybmole Wizard Posts: 1,690 Karma: 772746 Join Date: Sep 2010 Device: Sony PRS 650, Kindle for PC	hmmm, I'll try the download, is that link correct : Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to calibre-ebook.com & what's with the strange font names - why call a font Font_d3cfbc50-3e39-4d93-b1ef-c468eef0d5b4 ???

03-28-2011, 06:37 AM	#11
bfollowell Evangelist Posts: 454 Karma: 1152538 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Evansville, IN, USA Device: Amazon Kindle 3 Wi-Fi & B&N Nook Tablet & B&N Nook HD+	I've noticed this same problem. It wasn't always this way and just occurred a couple of months ago after an update. The ebooks I create/edit rarely have an embedded font and the css rarely have any font references at all. I think there's more at play here but I couldn't begin to tell you what it is. - Byron

03-28-2011, 07:19 AM	#12
cybmole Wizard Posts: 1,690 Karma: 772746 Join Date: Sep 2010 Device: Sony PRS 650, Kindle for PC	I'm glad its not just me. sigil is a great program but would be so much better with a simple user preferences screen where I could specify e.g. open in code or book view, use these zoom & font settings in book view.....

03-29-2011, 01:53 AM	#14
cybmole Wizard Posts: 1,690 Karma: 772746 Join Date: Sep 2010 Device: Sony PRS 650, Kindle for PC	well if we're now wishing for the moon I'd want some settings stored on a per book edited basis. ( just like ereaders keep a per book settings file with last page read etc) I'd want the find / replace recent entries stored per edited file, as well as stuff like last window size & view

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