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Old 03-01-2011, 07:57 PM   #106
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Which of course is ridiculously short-sighted, since the reason consortia exist is because the smaller individual libraries can't afford to buy into Overdrive at all. When I asked at my library if there were any plans to offer eBooks, the answer was "We're facing budget CUTS. So.....no."

Then again, maybe that's the publishers' thinking exactly....
A couple of posters on a library listserv I belong to have stated that they were considering ebooks, but will now wait to see how this all shakes out. Others were angry because they went live with Overdrive days before HC announced the changes.
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Old 03-01-2011, 08:30 PM   #107
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I for one welcome our new ebook licensing overlords.

They want to price ebooks like pbooks. They want to "decay" ebooks like books. They want to apply the old model to the new.

Fine. So do I.

I want to be able to sell my ebook. Lend it to another person for as long as s/he needs. Donate it to a library.

After the book has changed ownership for, say 5 times, they're welcome to have it self-destruct.

See, I'm a reasonable guy.
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Old 03-01-2011, 08:34 PM   #108
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most of my classmates don't even know what an ebook is.

i wish they'd get rid of the geo restrictions though.
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Old 03-02-2011, 10:41 AM   #109
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I've just done a short piece on this for RegHardware; OverDrive confirmed to me that this new system applies worldwide, but the statement I got from HarperCollins in the UK doesn't exactly confirm that. I've published it in full on my blog

http://gonedigital.net/2011/03/02/ha...ibrary-ebooks/
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I for one welcome our new ebook licensing overlords.

They want to price ebooks like pbooks. They want to "decay" ebooks like books. They want to apply the old model to the new.

Fine. So do I.

I want to be able to sell my ebook. Lend it to another person for as long as s/he needs. Donate it to a library.

After the book has changed ownership for, say 5 times, they're welcome to have it self-destruct.

See, I'm a reasonable guy.

And now for something completely different,

Retain method of purchase across used book transfers.
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Old 03-02-2011, 03:13 PM   #111
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Living in a low-population state (only one really large city, the rest of the state is pretty rural), consortia are the only way our libraries can operate. My little local library has ebooks, but only because we belong to the state consortium. We also belong to a different consortium for p-books, but I don't hear anyone complaining about that.

Meemo is right - for a lot of libraries, it's either consortia or no ebooks at all.

I really don't understand the publisher war on libraries - as I stated earlier, it's a monstrous case of biting the hand that feeds you. Biting it clean off.
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Old 03-02-2011, 04:54 PM   #112
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I really don't understand the publisher war on libraries - as I stated earlier, it's a monstrous case of biting the hand that feeds you. Biting it clean off.
Precisely. It's just outrageous. Libraries create readers, and readers buy the books that publishers sell. In a world where there are so many other entertainment options, why do they want to marginalize books even more by making them less available to people?
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This is completely outrageous. I am a book buyer today because my mother took me to the library when I was younger. Not only do I find new authors whose books I then might decide to buy but I also read lots of other things which I might not want to actually own. I suppose some kind of lending limit makes sense to publishers but it makes no sense to me. You can't really compare to p-books which eventually are damaged beyond use; e-books don't get damaged by use. If you must however have lending limits 26 seems crazy. In Cleveland, where I live my library has a fairly large selection of e-books but it also a large number of borrowers so having to replace licenses after only 26 books would price them out of the market. Is this what H/C wants? Someone said that they don't think e-books should be part of library inventory because ebook readers are the province of people with the discretionary income to afford them. Maybe that is H/C's true goal. Maybe they really do want to make ebooks only accessible to "certain" people.

And geographic restrictions - I thought the thing that made the internet so wonderful was less restrictions on people not more. What difference does it possibly make where I live if I want to borrow a book electronically as long as I have internet access. It's not like a p-book where if I take it out of the jurisdiction they can't get it back. With Overdrive the book is only "active" for the borrowing period and then I can't access it anymore.

During bad economic times more people use libraries then ever. Why in the world does H/C think that restricting access is going to make economic sense. If people are using the library because they can't afford p-books and e-books cost the same as p-books (or almost), which people can't afford, and you restrict access by libraries .... (can you say circular logic?) ... seems like shooting yourself in the foot to me.

I can feel Andrew Carnegie turning over in his grave
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Old 03-03-2011, 03:29 PM   #114
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This is completely outrageous. I am a book buyer today because my mother took me to the library when I was younger. Not only do I find new authors whose books I then might decide to buy but I also read lots of other things which I might not want to actually own. I suppose some kind of lending limit makes sense to publishers but it makes no sense to me. You can't really compare to p-books which eventually are damaged beyond use; e-books don't get damaged by use. If you must however have lending limits 26 seems crazy. In Cleveland, where I live my library has a fairly large selection of e-books but it also a large number of borrowers so having to replace licenses after only 26 books would price them out of the market. Is this what H/C wants? Someone said that they don't think e-books should be part of library inventory because ebook readers are the province of people with the discretionary income to afford them. Maybe that is H/C's true goal. Maybe they really do want to make ebooks only accessible to "certain" people.

And geographic restrictions - I thought the thing that made the internet so wonderful was less restrictions on people not more. What difference does it possibly make where I live if I want to borrow a book electronically as long as I have internet access. It's not like a p-book where if I take it out of the jurisdiction they can't get it back. With Overdrive the book is only "active" for the borrowing period and then I can't access it anymore.

During bad economic times more people use libraries then ever. Why in the world does H/C think that restricting access is going to make economic sense. If people are using the library because they can't afford p-books and e-books cost the same as p-books (or almost), which people can't afford, and you restrict access by libraries .... (can you say circular logic?) ... seems like shooting yourself in the foot to me.

I can feel Andrew Carnegie turning over in his grave

The logic that only certain people can afford ereaders is only true for now - it's not hard to imagine a future where everyone has one, where they hand them out in schools, where they're as cheap as electronic calculators (which once cost more than ereaders do now).

So we can't allow this to stand - it's the thin edge of the wedge. We can't let the publishers call the shots for *our* libraries.
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So we can't allow this to stand - it's the thin edge of the wedge. We can't let the publishers call the shots for *our* libraries.
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I completely agree. I'm sending a letter to H/C and telling everyone I know to do the same, even people who don't have e-readers now.
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Old 03-03-2011, 09:45 PM   #116
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Librarians poking holes in HarperCollins new rules (with video)

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Old 03-11-2011, 07:28 PM   #117
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Why exactly do the publishers want to be a hard ass about geographic restrictions? What do they care if I live in L.A. and have a S.F. library card? (SF residents may feel differently). The library still has to pay for the book and what's lent out to me can't be lent out to another.

Incidentally, every area in CA I visit I try to get a card at the area's library if it only requires state residency. So I'm hooked in the L.A. County lib, SF lib, SoCal digital lib, NoCal digital lib. HC would have my cards revoked
For example, if you have a Free Library of Philadelphia library card, you may find a book there that your local library doesn't have. So instead of asking your local library to get it, you get it from Philly. So the publisher then loses out as your local library doesn't buy.
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For example, if you have a Free Library of Philadelphia library card, you may find a book there that your local library doesn't have. So instead of asking your local library to get it, you get it from Philly. So the publisher then loses out as your local library doesn't buy.

My library would just get it through Interlibrary Loan, so the only one who would benefit would be the Post Office.
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For example, if you have a Free Library of Philadelphia library card, you may find a book there that your local library doesn't have. So instead of asking your local library to get it, you get it from Philly. So the publisher then loses out as your local library doesn't buy.
Of course the Philadelphia library still has to pay for its ebooks.

Now if too many people use Phil. the waiting list will be too long so people will still prefer their local branch. And Phil. may decide it needs to concentrate on its local citizens first. But this doesn't seem like it's the publishers' business.

The Singapore library is a different kettle of fish. It gives an account to anyone with a passport. It also has a decent collection.
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Long live -- and multiply -- the public domain. Copyright is no longer a valid concept in the digital age -- no matter how long it takes for people to realize it and start acting accordingly. The technology has outrun our economic (and political) models.
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