Register Guidelines E-Books Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   MobileRead Forums > E-Book General > News

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 11-08-2010, 05:08 PM   #16
rkomar
Wizard
rkomar ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.rkomar ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.rkomar ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.rkomar ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.rkomar ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.rkomar ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.rkomar ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.rkomar ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.rkomar ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.rkomar ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.rkomar ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 1,746
Karma: 4368476
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
Device: PRS-505, PB 902, PRS-T1, PB 623
Quote:
Originally Posted by brecklundin View Post
I worry about the contrast as well...last thing that I think anyone would want to see are washed out dull screen colors.

I guess depends on the tech for the given panel. Most significantly if they use a true black in the color's used. A true white matters as well. But like you say a black produced only via color "mixing" will likely be a poor result, but I feel if it uses a true black to augment the likely needed mixed black needed to fill in the whole cell/pixel then it likely would be fine and nothing our eyes would differentiate.

Still, it's all new and we'll see...but this a nice move forward...
I expect that they will use a true black, since I don't think you can mix other colours to produce black. However, if they introduce new coloured pixels among the black ones, then the latter will cover less area than before, and so, the "black" will look washed out. I suppose they could replace the "white" side with the colours, so that the black will be as dark as it is now, but then the "white" will be a darker grey, and the contrast will suffer again.

As you say, we'll have to wait and see, but it's fun to guess.
rkomar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2010, 06:15 PM   #17
JeremyR
Guru
JeremyR ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JeremyR ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JeremyR ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JeremyR ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JeremyR ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JeremyR ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JeremyR ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JeremyR ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JeremyR ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JeremyR ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.JeremyR ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
JeremyR's Avatar
 
Posts: 969
Karma: 2458216
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: St. Louis
Device: Kindle Keyboard, Nook HD+
Quote:
Originally Posted by brecklundin View Post
Rather dismissive to overlook reference and other non-fiction books which require color? The reader announce is an ~10" reader which, while not ideal for those books, it's a huge leap over a 6" panel. We need 11"-12" panels to really make it reasonable and w/o scaling or layout issues.
While true, just how many books on the bestsellers list are reference and non-fiction books that require color?

The main reason color e-ink is ever going to be used is for reading comic books.

There is an academic market, but it's got to be fairly niche.
JeremyR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2010, 06:23 PM   #18
hidari
MR Drone
hidari ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hidari ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hidari ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hidari ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hidari ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hidari ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hidari ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hidari ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hidari ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hidari ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.hidari ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
hidari's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,604
Karma: 15260410
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: DRONEZONE
Device: OPUS/PB360,Nexus 7,GzONE, Kobo Mini
Color on Eink....Now I can read Great Expectations in Purple and Pink... and Read Manga in Color that is Always published in Black and White...

actually... for charts and photos would be good otherwise... love it as it...e ink that is..

Will it truthfully be eink .... My mate who is an Organic Chemist says it ain't easy to make color ink.... but... ..
hidari is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2010, 09:30 PM   #19
Xanthe
Wizard
Xanthe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Xanthe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Xanthe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Xanthe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Xanthe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Xanthe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Xanthe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Xanthe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Xanthe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Xanthe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Xanthe ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Xanthe's Avatar
 
Posts: 1,788
Karma: 5409999
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Surebleak
Device: Aluratek Libre, Sony 350/T1,Pandigital, eBM 911, Nook HD/HD+, Fire HDX
Color readers are inevitable.

Movies started out in B&W and then moved to color.

Film cameras started out in B&W and then moved to color.

Television started out in B&W and then moved to color.

Computer monitors started out in B&W and then moved to color.

As viewing technologies evolve and improve, the switch to color seems to always follow.
Xanthe is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-08-2010, 10:28 PM   #20
DMcCunney
New York Editor
DMcCunney ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DMcCunney ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DMcCunney ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DMcCunney ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DMcCunney ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DMcCunney ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DMcCunney ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DMcCunney ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DMcCunney ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DMcCunney ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DMcCunney ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
DMcCunney's Avatar
 
Posts: 5,175
Karma: 7350237
Join Date: Aug 2007
Device: Palm TX, Azpen A727 tablet, Fujitsu Lifebook p2110 w/ FBReader
I was wondering when this would happen. eInk announced a prototype 12 bit color eInk screen back in December 2006, with volume production to begin in 2007. It never appeared, which led me to believe that either eInk had problems moving from prototype to mass production, costs were higher than OEMs wanted to pay, or results didn't meet expectations.

Judging by the description of the Hanvon effort, it sounds like what they are using, and the last was the case. I'll reserve judgment until I see an actual device using this, but it sounds like the color simply wouldn't be good enough for my purposes. If I'm reading stuff that requires color at all, it requires something approximating accurate reproduction, with bright and vibrant colors. I don't need video or animation, but do need to see color art that looks like the original, and not a washed out copy. I heard the comments from Sony's Steve Haber as NY press events I attended for MobileRead, and I concur with his feelings.

Given that Hanvon produces mainly for the Chinese market, I expect this will do well for them. I don't expect a lot of penetration over here.
______
Dennis
DMcCunney is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2010, 12:51 AM   #21
Rebo
Groupie
Rebo has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.Rebo has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.Rebo has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.Rebo has a complete set of Star Wars action figures.
 
Posts: 173
Karma: 392
Join Date: Jul 2010
Device: nook, nook color, kindle 3, Ipad 2nd gen, Nook HD+, Iphone 4S
According to the article, the color is like a faded photo and the video play back is very slow. The price is $440, only $60 cheaper than iPad. It doesn’t look like the technology is ready for prime time. Pixel Qi seems to be a better choice since it retains color quality display of LCD but offers the option to turn off the backlit for reading in sunlight. Based on the rumors on pricing of the Notion Ink Adams; the price difference for a 10” LCD vs. Pixel Qi screen is only $50. Color e-ink might be lighter and uses less power but if it is more expensive and the color is not vibrant, it will not compete well with Pixel Qi or even LCD.
Rebo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2010, 01:42 AM   #22
carld
Wizard
carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.carld ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 2,680
Karma: 3698469
Join Date: Dec 2007
Device: Kindle Fire HD, Kindle 3, Droid Razr Maxx HD
Quote:
Originally Posted by ricsmania View Post
Can't wait to see this tech in netbook screens and phones.

It's currently much too slow for computer screens. Maybe some future version of this tech or something like it will work, but not this.
carld is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2010, 02:14 AM   #23
DMcCunney
New York Editor
DMcCunney ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DMcCunney ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DMcCunney ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DMcCunney ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DMcCunney ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DMcCunney ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DMcCunney ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DMcCunney ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DMcCunney ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DMcCunney ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.DMcCunney ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
DMcCunney's Avatar
 
Posts: 5,175
Karma: 7350237
Join Date: Aug 2007
Device: Palm TX, Azpen A727 tablet, Fujitsu Lifebook p2110 w/ FBReader
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rebo View Post
According to the article, the color is like a faded photo and the video play back is very slow. The price is $440, only $60 cheaper than iPad. It doesn’t look like the technology is ready for prime time. Pixel Qi seems to be a better choice since it retains color quality display of LCD but offers the option to turn off the backlit for reading in sunlight. Based on the rumors on pricing of the Notion Ink Adams; the price difference for a 10” LCD vs. Pixel Qi screen is only $50. Color e-ink might be lighter and uses less power but if it is more expensive and the color is not vibrant, it will not compete well with Pixel Qi or even LCD.
If you want to watch video, you don't use eInk. Screen refresh simply isn't fast enough, and can't be. You won't see smooth motion: at best you'll get a slide show of still pictures.

If you don't mind the washed out color, a color eInk display is fine for static content, like books. The question will be what sort of color the book uses, and whether a color eInk display will reproduce it well enough to be acceptable. For most of the color stuff I would want to view, it wouldn't be.

If the price can be gotten low enough to simply substitute a color eInk display for the current mono screens, and the black and white content doesn't suffer as a result, this might be a next step for eInk based readers: color is there if the material uses it, and if not it's the same display the reader is already used to and appreciates. But those are very big ifs.
______
Dennis
DMcCunney is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2010, 04:23 AM   #24
EowynCarter
Wizard
EowynCarter ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.EowynCarter ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.EowynCarter ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.EowynCarter ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.EowynCarter ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.EowynCarter ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.EowynCarter ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.EowynCarter ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.EowynCarter ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.EowynCarter ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.EowynCarter ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 4,111
Karma: 1604192
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Paris
Device: Cybooks; Sony PRS-T1
Mmm, i'm not thrilled by colors screen.
I'll rather have a faster refresh.
EowynCarter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2010, 04:27 AM   #25
Nahgem
Groupie
Nahgem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nahgem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nahgem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nahgem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nahgem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nahgem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nahgem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nahgem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nahgem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nahgem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.Nahgem ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Nahgem's Avatar
 
Posts: 170
Karma: 1065326
Join Date: Oct 2010
Device: Nooks
Quote:
Originally Posted by markuskane View Post
Now add a touchscreen, and I'm sold.
Quote:
Originally Posted by New York Times
Hanvon’s first product using a 9.68-inch color touch screen will be available this March..
I was getting really close to dropping money on a tablet because I want a comic reader that's more portable than my laptop. However, if people are actually starting to sell colored eInk devices, I'm definitely willing to wait and see where the market goes. While this is above my price range, it's pretty much exactly what I want in a comic reader. I hope it makes it over here, because I'd like to at least be able to play with it.
Nahgem is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2010, 06:58 AM   #26
brecklundin
Banned
brecklundin is as sexy as a twisted cruller doughtnut.brecklundin is as sexy as a twisted cruller doughtnut.brecklundin is as sexy as a twisted cruller doughtnut.brecklundin is as sexy as a twisted cruller doughtnut.brecklundin is as sexy as a twisted cruller doughtnut.brecklundin is as sexy as a twisted cruller doughtnut.brecklundin is as sexy as a twisted cruller doughtnut.brecklundin is as sexy as a twisted cruller doughtnut.brecklundin is as sexy as a twisted cruller doughtnut.brecklundin is as sexy as a twisted cruller doughtnut.brecklundin is as sexy as a twisted cruller doughtnut.
 
Posts: 1,906
Karma: 15348
Join Date: Jun 2007
Device: mine
Quote:
Originally Posted by JeremyR View Post
While true, just how many books on the bestsellers list are reference and non-fiction books that require color?

The main reason color e-ink is ever going to be used is for reading comic books.

There is an academic market, but it's got to be fairly niche.
wow...your utter lack of understanding here is, well shocking to say the least. You are saying that the ONLY types of books are novels on the bestseller list, comic books and the academic market. And the ONLY bestseller type books need to be serviced?

I spend several grand a year on reference books ALL of which require color, I mean ALL. Along with requiring accurate color on top of it. Believe it or not MILLIONS of these books are sold annually. And when I was able to travel I often needed to lug around 200-300lbs of reference books. And again I am far from unique in that regard.
brecklundin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2010, 07:44 AM   #27
charleski
Wizard
charleski ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.charleski ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.charleski ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.charleski ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.charleski ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.charleski ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.charleski ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.charleski ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.charleski ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.charleski ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.charleski ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 1,188
Karma: 727236
Join Date: Sep 2009
Device: PRS-505
Quote:
It will be positioned as a business product
That was the kiss-of-death for Plastic logic, wasn't it?. Apple may be able to sell $500 products to consumers, but I don't think Hanvon will.

If you need accurate colour, then you need print, it's hard enough to get accuracy on a desktop LCD in a carefully controlled environment.
charleski is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2010, 08:13 AM   #28
athlonkmf
Guru
athlonkmf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.athlonkmf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.athlonkmf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.athlonkmf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.athlonkmf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.athlonkmf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.athlonkmf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.athlonkmf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.athlonkmf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.athlonkmf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.athlonkmf ought to be getting tired of karma fortunes by now.
 
Posts: 714
Karma: 1014039
Join Date: May 2007
Device: Sony PRS-500, Sony PRS-505, Kindle 3, Sony PRS350, iPad 64GB
Quote:
Originally Posted by charleski View Post
It will be positioned as a business product

That was the kiss-of-death for Plastic logic, wasn't it?. Apple may be able to sell $500 products to consumers, but I don't think Hanvon will.
" It will be positioned as a business product " translate to "you'll paying way too much for way too little"

Apple's 500 dollar is a hell of a price for what you'll be getting. At least no competitor can come close. hard and softwarewise.
athlonkmf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2010, 09:01 AM   #29
hal2814
Connoisseur
hal2814 knows what time it ishal2814 knows what time it ishal2814 knows what time it ishal2814 knows what time it ishal2814 knows what time it ishal2814 knows what time it ishal2814 knows what time it ishal2814 knows what time it ishal2814 knows what time it ishal2814 knows what time it ishal2814 knows what time it is
 
Posts: 65
Karma: 2460
Join Date: Oct 2010
Device: Kindle 2
Quote:
Originally Posted by JeremyR View Post
While true, just how many books on the bestsellers list are reference and non-fiction books that require color?

The main reason color e-ink is ever going to be used is for reading comic books.

There is an academic market, but it's got to be fairly niche.
Personally, I think there will be more people reading magazines with color eBook readers than comic books. Even if novels don't require color, there are plenty of other areas where color would be welcomed and useful. Technical manuals immediately come to mind. The better programming manuals I've read makes good use of color.

There are over 14,000,000 students in colleges and universities in the United States alone. I wouldn't call the post-secondary textbook market a niche. It'll just be hard to break into for an eBook reader due to reluctance on the part of the textbook publishers. I think the publishers will eventually find that they lose less money to piracy than they do to the used textbook market.
hal2814 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-09-2010, 10:26 AM   #30
oggelbe2007
Limited Warranty
oggelbe2007 will become famous soon enoughoggelbe2007 will become famous soon enoughoggelbe2007 will become famous soon enoughoggelbe2007 will become famous soon enoughoggelbe2007 will become famous soon enoughoggelbe2007 will become famous soon enough
 
oggelbe2007's Avatar
 
Posts: 89
Karma: 576
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: North Georgia, USA
Device: A sweet PRS-500, DXG
Sadly, maybe they should just stick a fork in the quest for color e-ink for awhile until the right material/process comes along. Cheap android tablets will probably eat this thing in the market.
oggelbe2007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Do e-ink screens need a screen protector? pda_junkie General Discussions 20 06-25-2010 09:37 PM
Color and Video Coming to Kindle? Partner Shows New Screens DonaldL. News 12 03-22-2010 11:50 AM
How are e-ink screens adjusted? Is there a potentiometer? Sunspark News 5 12-07-2009 09:03 AM
The Appeal of Colour E-Ink Screens... khourianya Lounge 14 09-11-2008 06:54 AM
No shortage of E-Ink screens? wallcraft News 11 03-17-2008 04:37 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:58 AM.


MobileRead.com is a privately owned, operated and funded community.