12-30-2008, 12:44 PM | #1 |
Guru
Posts: 988
Karma: 12653
Join Date: Apr 2008
Device: None of your business
|
Books on Calligraphy and Penmanship
IAMPETH -The International Association of Master Penmen, Engrossers and Teachers of Handwriting- has a variety of antiquarian texts on the subject available for download on their site. They are PDF's, and most likely in unfriendly sizes. The one I grabbed was about 8.5x5, wide but short like a Zaner student's book.
http://www.iampeth.com/books.php -MJ |
12-30-2008, 02:10 PM | #2 |
Cultural Artist
Posts: 1,128
Karma: 12829
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Georgia
Device: Sony 505, Kindle 2
|
Wow! People don't write like that anymore. Some of these books would be interesting for artists and font lovers. This page shows the correct way to create shadows behind letters.
Dreamer |
Advert | |
|
12-30-2008, 02:20 PM | #3 | |
Guru
Posts: 988
Karma: 12653
Join Date: Apr 2008
Device: None of your business
|
Quote:
-MJ |
|
12-30-2008, 08:26 PM | #4 |
zeldinha zippy zeldissima
Posts: 27,827
Karma: 921169
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Paris, France
Device: eb1150 & is that a nook in her pocket, or she just happy to see you?
|
beautiful. that is true craftsmanship.
|
12-30-2008, 11:26 PM | #5 | |
PHD in Horribleness
Posts: 2,320
Karma: 23599604
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: In the ironbound section, near avenue L
Device: Just a whole bunch. I guess I am a collector now.
|
Quote:
It is also true that if the schools are wasting much time on penmanship with my niece instead of getting her on a keyboard as soon as possible when she is old enough for school I and the rest of the family will be pitching a fit with the school board. Penmanship is now as useful as skill with a slide rule. Grammar on the other hand is as important as ever. |
|
Advert | |
|
12-30-2008, 11:41 PM | #6 | |
Enjoying the show....
Posts: 14,270
Karma: 10462843
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Arizona
Device: A K1, Kindle Paperwhite, an Ipod, IPad2, Iphone, an Ipad Mini & macAir
|
Quote:
They also, (at least my granddaughters teacher does ,) insist they write legibly, and neatly. Calligraphy, of course, is not applicable. However, making your work easy to read is very important. My daughter teaches second grade, and its a nightmare trying to even make out their names sometimes. This is because no one thinks its 'important', and its not reinforced. Until we become a completely paperless society, its very important. |
|
12-30-2008, 11:52 PM | #7 | |
Sir Penguin of Edinburgh
Posts: 12,375
Karma: 23555235
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: DC Metro area
Device: Shake a stick plus 1
|
Quote:
Computer skills do not take as much time as penmanship. If you want your niece to use a computer, get her a typing program. Also, simply putting her in front of a keyboard is a waste of time if it isn't a structured teaching event. |
|
12-31-2008, 04:52 AM | #8 | |
eBook Enthusiast
Posts: 85,544
Karma: 93383043
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: UK
Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6
|
Quote:
|
|
12-31-2008, 05:23 AM | #9 | ||
Grand Sorcerer
Posts: 9,707
Karma: 32763414
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Krewerd
Device: Pocketbook Inkpad 4 Color; Samsung Galaxy Tab S6
|
Quote:
Quote:
Also, learning good penmanship is also a good lesson in hand/eye coordination. So, I think it's bad business if small children only learn how to use a keyboard and not a pen. |
||
12-31-2008, 05:34 AM | #10 |
Guru
Posts: 988
Karma: 12653
Join Date: Apr 2008
Device: None of your business
|
When I subbed classes (at a technical school) I used to hate all the noise from people taking notes on their computer. I decided to experiment at times (partly cause I was just being a prick) at having students tell me what I had just been teaching them, without looking at the notes. The ones who handwrote their notes had greater retention of the topic then those that typed it. This was by no means a decent scientific study, and I've always wondered if someone had conducted an experiment along these lines. I would be curious of the results. Those taking notes on the computer have the benefit of being able to format, edit and search however they want but something about the effort of writing the information down embeds it in memory better. (Edited to add, 'I think' to that last statement.)
-MJ Last edited by mjh215; 12-31-2008 at 05:42 AM. |
12-31-2008, 06:12 AM | #11 |
Zealot
Posts: 106
Karma: 3566
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: London UK
Device: iPhone 5, Kindle K3, Kindle Voyage
|
Given the opportunity, my handwriting quickly deteriorates to an unreadable scrawl. For that reason, I nearly always use a fountain pen; for normal writing, one with a square-cut ("stub") nib, and for quick note taking, one with a conventional fine nib.
In addition, I still "practise my letters" from time-to-time - even though I'm into my second half-century! For this, my preferred handwriting guide is the "Getty-Dubay" pattern, which I find both looks good, and does not degrade to a slightly bumpy - and unreadable - line when taking notes at speed. (c.f. Palmer, for example). Now you've reminded me, I have some G-D tt fonts. I wonder how they would look on my cybook... Snowman |
01-01-2009, 10:01 AM | #12 | |
PHD in Horribleness
Posts: 2,320
Karma: 23599604
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: In the ironbound section, near avenue L
Device: Just a whole bunch. I guess I am a collector now.
|
Quote:
In Texas, you can no longer cash a check in a bank where you don't have an account on signature ID. Fingerprints are required. they are more secure. My family has a cleaning business - primarily commercial floor and window work, but some janitorial contracts as well. There is not nearly as much paper waste in offices as there was just six years ago. Paperless offices may not be here yet, but they are rapidly on their way and the movement of making notes on paste its to making notes on smart phones has made a significant drop in trash just the last couple years. Go to office depot and look at the section where they sell sticky notes, Then think of how big a selection they were carrying in 2000. Legible printing skill is still necessary. Cursive script (I am willing to debate with all comers) is as necessary as a slide rule. It takes too long to learn, considering it will never be needed in the business world these young ones are going to grow up to. |
|
01-01-2009, 08:11 PM | #13 | |
Enthusiast
Posts: 31
Karma: 376
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Pacific NorthWest
Device: Kobo H20, Nook Glowlight 3
|
Quote:
This was because of two things. One was that, roughly 100 years ago, the government decided to simplify the language by reducing he number of ideograms in use. The second was the ongoing process of simplifying cursive writing. The result is historic documents that consist of squiggles that no one can read. My fear is that removing cursive writing from the curriculam will have a similar effect over a similar span of time. You could argue that there is plenty of time to convert all documents of interest, but I beg leave to doubt that the job would be done, especially for private documents (like great gran's recipe book or the notes in the family bible) and that is just in North America with its short written history. |
|
01-01-2009, 08:42 PM | #14 | |
Enjoying the show....
Posts: 14,270
Karma: 10462843
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Arizona
Device: A K1, Kindle Paperwhite, an Ipod, IPad2, Iphone, an Ipad Mini & macAir
|
Quote:
We are a long long way from a paperless society, and your attitude towards not learning something ,that in your opinion is useless, can only hurt your niece's chances of success in school. She'd better be able to write clearly in cursive. Teachers, while some will accept typed reports, usually insist on the first draft be written. Tests, especially essays, are in written format. If her writing can't be read, she's in for a hard road. |
|
01-01-2009, 08:42 PM | #15 | |
Sir Penguin of Edinburgh
Posts: 12,375
Karma: 23555235
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: DC Metro area
Device: Shake a stick plus 1
|
Quote:
I happen to agree with you that cursive script is not important. Unfortunately, my brother wasn't even taught to print legibly. His school went one step further than you advocate; they abandoned penmanship entirely. Given that many people say insist on "getting her on a keyboard as soon as possible", do you really think schools will take a middle ground or do you think they will follow my brother's school and abandon penmanship entirely? Penmanship is more important than computer skills at that age because legible handwriting takes so much time to learn. Use of a computer is much easier. The one part that is time intensive is typing, and that can be learned at home with a piece of software. |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
A Noobs Guide to Borrowing E-Library Books and Installing non Kobo Bookstore Books | bamelin | Kobo Reader | 17 | 01-07-2012 04:11 PM |
Free books (Kobo) - 20 Dorchester Publishing Books (Romance, Horror, Thriller etc.) | ATDrake | Deals and Resources (No Self-Promotion or Affiliate Links) | 15 | 09-24-2010 07:01 PM |
Two free books (kobo) from Francesca Lia Block [BOOKS DELETED BY AUTHOR] | koland | Deals and Resources (No Self-Promotion or Affiliate Links) | 11 | 04-08-2010 06:03 AM |
Free books from Open Books to celebrate 'Read An E-Book Week' | Kelly Huddleston | Deals and Resources (No Self-Promotion or Affiliate Links) | 10 | 03-08-2010 12:24 PM |
Sony and google books, anyway to bulk download all free books? | Student1 | Calibre | 18 | 05-28-2009 09:29 PM |