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Originally Posted by Sil_liS

Are you saying that Apple redesigned the rounded corners in a way most people wouldn't notice the difference?

I'm struggling to work out whether you are having a bit of fun trolling, or whether you have actually thought about some of the things you have written...

Originally Posted by Sil_liS

The same can said about the iPhone and the Galaxy. They don't have exactly the same corner radius, they don't have exactly the same size for the device, they don't have exactly the same size for the speaker.

They are so similar that they look virtually identical. If we think about the speaker, we are so used to seeing other companies use the same design solution as Apple, many people forget that other companies seem to be able to do this differently and successfully. Like this and this and this and this and this. Even Samsung have been able to design speakers that don't look the same as Apple, so why put one on the model that is almost identical to it in every other way?

Originally Posted by Sil_liS

By this logic Samsung didn't rip-off Apple because they have other models.

Are you just trying to beat someone's record for numbers of posts by writing the first thing that pops into your head?

Look at the broad range of Android phones out there. There aren't many that look like iPhone rip-offs. The one that looks exactly like one ended up in court, and rightly so.

Originally Posted by Sil_liS

Some people consider the extra buttons on the bottom and the bigger screen an improvement (Galaxy vs iPhone).

That kind of illustrates my point. It's the only thing that really distinguishes the Galaxy from the iPhone, and it's potentially better. Imagine what they could have improved if they had tried not to copy

Originally Posted by Sil_liS

And why would they introduce different colors? Most consumers use covers anyway, so what could possibly be the reason to market different colors, other that enforcing the idea that Apple should have a monopoly on black and white devices?

Because they would differentiate an otherwise identical phone, have a unique selling point, and make the phone more attractive to a younger market. It would also mean that people don't need covers. And based on my experience, most people don't use them. Apple never had anything like a monopoly on black and white. The LG Chocolate had white models.

Originally Posted by Sil_liS

My point was that you were lying when you said that there are no details on the phone. Also in terms of design, placing the logo pushes the speaker at a higher position on the phone, adding to the differences between the models.

You clearly don't understand what 'lying' means.
As I have said before, you can't slap a logo on a design and claim it's a different design feature, that would be idiotic. I'll spell out the point in case you misunderstand it. The point regarding a different logo has to be disregarded because it's obvious, particularly considering that it's pretty much the only place on the front of the device that the logo can be placed. The fact that the speaker has had to be relocated to accommodate the logo position means that the fact that the location isn't exactly the same is irrelevant. They could have done this, but chose not to.

Originally Posted by Sil_liS

I didn't say that the galaxy design existed in that form before the iphone design existed. My argument was that you can't complain about Samsung's use of rounded corners after the iphone went on the market when they were making phones with rounded corners before, just like you can't complain that placing the speaker at the top is a way of ripping-off Apple's design.

No - you're missing the point. Samsung had the F700 with rounded corners. It existed before the iPhone. Having seen the iPhone, they then ignored their initial design with the same features, and copied the iPhone's version of it instead of developing it themselves and taking the design evolution in a different direction.

Originally Posted by Sil_liS

The conclusion is that you simply refuse to use the same arguments for both Apple and Samsung. As a designer, are you telling me that you didn't notice the differences between the two chargers?

I'm not a designer, so I'm sure that I can't spot as many as you can, but from what I can see: 1. only the samsung has a logo, 2. they have a different color scheme, 3. they have a slightly different overall size, 4. they have a different radius for the corners, 5. they have a different shape at the USB end, 6. the USB side is made from different materials that make the samsung charger have a shinier surface than the apple charger, 7. the USB slot is bigger in the Samsung, 8. the slightly different shape would make the samsung charger easier to grip to unplug, making the difference an improvement, 9. the slightly bigger USB slot with rounded edges would make the USB cable easier to insert, making the difference an improvement.

This is getting tedious. Look at every other mobile phone charger. Look at the Apple device. Look at the charger that just happens to come with the phone that just happens to look exactly like the iPhone. The point about the charger is that there is no other prior art that looks like this other than the iPhone charger. It's in effect unique. Samsung can't point to one of their older similar models and claim it's an evolution. They can't point to any other charger for anything else as 'inspiration' in this case. The fact that there are several minor detail differences do not in any respect invalidate the fact that that the basic design is completely ripped off. When you take all these issues into account, someone would have to be visually impaired, deluded or just very stupid to conclude that Samsung didn't blatantly copy Apple. Even the packaging is virtually the same.

Apple don't have a monopoly on great design. Samsung design some cool stuff and at an affordable price. Some of their TVs look awesome. I cannot believe that their design guys couldn't look at the iPhone charger and say, "Wow, that's cool, I didn't think of the charger being part of the overall design. I can design something a bit better than that."

It would seem to me that the mandate was to copy the iPhone, but try to make minor changes to differentiate it. They didn't try very hard to do this.

Originally Posted by Sil_liS

According to your previous comments, if the situation were reversed, you would be arguing that this would be a case of using the other charger's design as inspiration, and not to directly rip-off.

There is a view held by many people, that nowadays, with our modern over-simplified and truncated communication media, that attention spans of many people are too short to adequately deal with more complex arguments or extended passages of text. You're not doing a lot to dispel this...