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Originally Posted by Phogg

At the NYT, there has never been a difference.

Originally Posted by QuantumIguana

I'll give that all the consideration it deserves.

Originally Posted by Phogg

Jason Blair and Walter Duranty stand as just two of the icons which make the point intellectually irrefutable.

But then, people who have bought onto the notion that the NYT is some repository of truth rather than a fishwrap established to sell advertizing are generally not going to be capable of an intellectual debate on the topic - especially when the other side has more and bigger ammunition.

Originally Posted by QuantumIguana

All news outlets are going to have problems if you look over a sufficiently long enough time span. Jason Blair was fired 9 years ago. Walter Duranty died 55 years ago. That you have to cast such a wide net shows that the point is quite refuatable.