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Old 03-23-2010, 10:03 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by Bilbo1967 View Post
How, exactly, would Amazon know who was and wasn't selling on copies of illegal books held on their Kindle? Perhaps they'd pass on details of all such people just to be on the safe side?

Besides, "When Freedoms are chiseled away......", or does that only apply to freedoms you agree with?
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Any system that is open to being abused will one day be abused, whether it's by your boss, your politicians, or merely your disgruntled boyfriend/girlfriend. People need to remember that and act accordingly. My response is to try and give them as little as I can and to fight any erosion of individual rights however I can.




Your reasoning seems to be that there is already a ton of info "out there" so we may as well just give up and let them have the rest. Forget privacy? Forget (for U.S. residents) the 4th and 5th amendments? Forget the 1st amendment? (it won't mean a thing to have "free speech" if people become afraid to use it when everything is stored "in the cloud")

You (and others) see no cause for concern? There are legions of historical examples to prove you wrong. Your attitudes of It Can't Happen Here will serve the next purveyors of dystopia very well. I suspect you were a mere babe in 1984 so welcome to the Brave New World.
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Originally Posted by TGS View Post
Not sure where all that came from! Nobody had mentioned Amazon knowing about the presence of dodgy books - it was a question of why Amazon would want the kind of access they demand whatever you have on your reader.
Some folks really do fly off the handle! sheesh
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Originally Posted by K-Thom View Post
Amanzon can't "demand" access to your Kindle, that's the whole point about not getting too nervous about their ToS.

Don't buy eBooks from Amazon, don't turn on Whispernet, and Amazon will never ever know one lousy bit about your reading habits or what you store on your Kindle. It's really that simple.

Still want to upgrade firmware? Download onto your PC, connect Kindle via USB.
Still want to buy eBooks from Amazon? Load them to Kindle for PC (or Mac), rip them, upload them via USB to your Kindle.

Amazon doesn't upload any of your eBooks to their servers ("all your eBooks are belong to us"). There isn't a horde of underpaid members from the outer party who browse through all your files to report any wrongdoing.

This isn't 1984, after all ...
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Originally Posted by Ramen View Post
I don't really fancy this type of discussion because it typically never changes anything. Still, I'd like to drop a few basic points:




Maybe as an excuse, sure. If that were the intent, Amazon would state something along the lines of "you have X storage allocated to you and we will not access it in any way".



Unfortunately, that argument belongs to a past decade. Nowadays, collecting and mining data has become so cheap and automated that it no longer makes sense to exclude data sets. Just process them all. Nobody will notice the difference (other than better results...).

I kind of react allergic to "I have nothing to hide" and "I don't see what they could possibly use the data for" because it typically stems from ignorance. Again, I really do not want to delve into this any deeper but there are truly staggering things you can currently do with data mining. This is not a subjective point.

Data mining possibilities and costs are technical discussions and the answers are pretty clear. The question here is simply how much does Amazon (and the like) do.
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Originally Posted by ChrisC333 View Post
NO! NO! NO! Don’t wear the tinfoil hat - that’s exactly what THEY want you to do! They don’t protect your brainwaves at all! Our research has proved that they actually act as RECEIVERS for the multi-national thought manipulating cartels.


Think about it. What do they call those little tracking doodads that they sneak onto your computer - Cookies. And what do some people use tinfoil for baking - yes, it’s Cookies again. Coincidence? I think not.....


The only way to use your KIndle or (brain) Kurdle as THEY call it - is to wear one of our fully organic head protectors - made from 100% natural cow-dung and adobe, using a recipe passed down for centuries by really cosmic old dead dudes from ancient times. Just remember - iPad is an anagram of Dipa - which means “brain-invader” in Ancient Dead Dude Language. It all adds up! Buy a brain screen hat now while stocks last. Coming soon to a paranoiac near you...


Or you could just act as if it really doesn’t matter a damn if some computer somewhere is mindlessly crunching through billions of bytes of dross about which books people clicked on just so that they can send you an automated email saying:

Greetings Zordan the Insignificant,

People like you have been buying “101 Ancient Dung and Adobe Brain Hat Recipes” by Wise Dead Dude” - would you care to cough up for a copy?

P.S. Our server loved your porn collection - it found a couple of clips it didn’t have yet.



You have been warned.

Personally, I'm relaxed about this....

But then I’m pretty strange.


They know that, you know....
I had several pointed responses, but it is 0600, I haven't had coffee, and Chris here just did a dandy job.
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