Does anyone know if it's possible to get SunriseXP working in Vista? Or if a compatible version will be released?

JamesA

It works no problem, but for me Palm Desktop has so many issues that I've decided to go back to XP...
Hotsync problems, lack of printer drivers & the overall "laggy" feeling of the Vista interface have driven me back to tried & true XP, for the time being at least...

Hey, that's great news about it working in Vista! I was wondering about that. And if I have to copy the files another way, such as file move directly to the SD card, that's okay by me as a workaround.

I'm quite dependent on Sunrise now for newspaper reading. I don't read the paper most days, but I'd like to, and when I do, it always via Sunrise(w/Plucker). It's an awesome program!

Good to know this. I'm planning to wait a while before I touch Vista.

Good to know it works! I was somewhat anxious about compatibility, since Vista is supposedly more restrictive in how applications can use OS services. (I don't have Vista myself and am not planning plan on installing it either, at least not on my current rig. In fact, my only experience with Vista is limited to playing around with it on some in-store demo laptops.)

Having been given a "free" Vista license at school, I've been giving the OS another shot - again, no problems with Sunrise. There's a few bugs left with Palm Desktop, but they are workable with a little persistance. Overall, if you've got a computer that already has Vista, then you can make it work with your Palm and Sunrise, otherwise I'd suggest sticking with XP until you feel Vista will make your life much better for reasons other than Palm/Sunrise usage.

I just got a new computer with Vista Home Premium and I can state that overall the program is working great, especially since the new computer has so much more RAM and processing power than the ancient XP computer it replaced (which sometimes froze up in Sunrise XP for this reason). I DID have a small hiccup when I tried to initially install Sunrise XP-- Vista stated that the program was not compatible with Vista. Trying an install the second time worked just fine, however, so if you hit a snag like this, keep trying.

I DO have one problem however, and that is that Sunrise is not reading my cookies from Vista's Internet Explorer 7. I did use IE to register my cookies with the web site in question (NY Times), so they should be active. I'm wondering if my cookies are in a different location on this machine and Sunrise isn't finding them. I don't believe we can direct Sunrise XP to a specific cookies folder, can we? Laurens, any thoughts?

By the way, for anyone thinking about going to a Vista machine (or upgrading from XP), RAM is your friend. I have 2 GB and it's working great. I've heard 1 GB is acceptable. A friend with 512 MB is struggling. Adequate RAM will address the "Vista lag" I've heard others complain about.

I've now gone to the "minimum recommended" spec of 1gb RAM, and I can honestly say it's only marginally faster. I really want to love and embrace the OS, but I just can't.
As far as cookies go, I decided BBC was more comprehensive (read, less 'America!-centric') than NY Times, but I'll check if my old NYT account works in XP, and re-try it with Vista / IE7...

Anybody else get any ideas about my problem with the cookies not registering in Vista? Laurens, I know you're not actively doing any work on Sunrise XP but would there be some way to direct the program to the location of the cookies?

Sunrise XP uses the standard Windows internet functionality, which should take care of cookie handling automatically. This could have changed in Vista, maybe due to tighter security. There's no way to manually add or otherwise configure cookies.

Just got a new laptop with Vista. Might get round to investigating the cookie issue.

Just tried NYT on the Vista laptop and it's sending the cookies alright.

Actually, my setup of Sunrise on my Vista computer has been really problematic the last several days; it runs inordinately slowly (takes many hours to do what it previously did in 15 minutes). I'm not sure what exactly is going on. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling, and it didn't help things. Document rendering takes forever. Might be something unrelated to Sunrise...

Did anyone solve the cookie problem? I can't find any way to get Vista/IE7/SunriseXP to send cookies for the sample NYTimes definitions. (I'm slowly moving all my apps to Vista. )

I was hoping it was either my firewall or a matter of installing SunriseXP as admin but using it as a regular user, but those don't seem to be the problem. On the other hand I keep looking at it because I wonder if I'm missing something or a directory authority or something.

Anyone have any ideas? SunriseXP is still a great program without cookies, but I sure would like to be able to read the NYTimes...

Did anyone solve the cookie problem? I can't find any way to get Vista/IE7/SunriseXP to send cookies for the sample NYTimes definitions.Sunrise XP has nothing to do with it. That's a Windows networking function.

(I'm slowly moving all my apps to Vista. )Do I want to ask why? (I'm moving to Vista when my arm is twisted behind my back and a gun is pointed at my head, and not before. XP Pro works fine, and Vista adds nothing I need.)

I was hoping it was either my firewall or a matter of installing SunriseXP as admin but using it as a regular user, but those don't seem to be the problem. On the other hand I keep looking at it because I wonder if I'm missing something or a directory authority or something.You may need to set sunrise XP to Run As Admin, if you haven't already.

Anyone have any ideas? SunriseXP is still a great program without cookies, but I sure would like to be able to read the NYTimes...What happens if you use Firefox as your default browser? (The only thing IE7 is used for here is occasional visits to the Windows Update site.)
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Dennis

What happens if you use Firefox as your default browser? (The only thing IE7 is used for here is occasional visits to the Windows Update site.)Thanks Dennis! It seems to work now.

Actually, Firefox IS my default browser. I had assumed that the cookies were passed from IE, so never logged in with Firefox.

One article still showed no login, which was odd, but I chalk that up to the fact that I'm using a shared bugmenot login. If it persists, I'll try another or create a personal login.

Thanks again! This is really neat.

P.S. I got a new Lenovo Thinkpad with Vista on it last year. So I'm moving from an ancient desktop to that Thinkpad. I like Vista, even if there are some odd issues that seem to creep in and lots of incompatibilities. My main problems seem to come from programs that act like they are the admin acct owner that gave install privs or did the install. One side effect is that programs like Palm Desktop and Hotsync and others tend to look in the admin acct file structure for user and app data files. I could probably understand and solve that better if I actually read something about Vista, but so far I've just been "following my nose" and it seems to work out pretty well. Just wish it wasn't such a resource hog. If I get everything off the old desktop, it will probably become a n Ubuntu box...

Thanks Dennis! It seems to work now.

Actually, Firefox IS my default browser. I had assumed that the cookies were passed from IE, so never logged in with Firefox.How could they be? Since you don't use IE as your browser, IE doesn't create the cookies, and has nothing to do with passing them. IE and FF store such things in different locations. Both use Windows network settings, but that's a different matter.

One article still showed no login, which was odd, but I chalk that up to the fact that I'm using a shared bugmenot login. If it persists, I'll try another or create a personal login.I created an ID on the NYTimes site a long time ago. I've never had an issue because of it.

Thanks again! This is really neat.

P.S. I got a new Lenovo Thinkpad with Vista on it last year. So I'm moving from an ancient desktop to that Thinkpad. I like Vista, even if there are some odd issues that seem to creep in and lots of incompatibilities. My main problems seem to come from programs that act like they are the admin acct owner that gave install privs or did the install. One side effect is that programs like Palm Desktop and Hotsync and others tend to look in the admin acct file structure for user and app data files. I could probably understand and solve that better if I actually read something about Vista, but so far I've just been "following my nose" and it seems to work out pretty well. Just wish it wasn't such a resource hog. If I get everything off the old desktop, it will probably become a n Ubuntu box...The problem with Vista is that it's trying to be more secure.

Previous versions of Windows used a permissions model that had been in place since the MS-DOS days. The user was assumed to be administrator, with all power to do anything. Indeed, MS-DOS had no choice about that: the FAT file system provides no place to store permissions info. Win 3.X and 95 were essentially multitasking shells on top of DOS. Win9X used DOS as a real mode loader for the actual protected mode OS, and DOS was out of the picture once 98 was loaded and active.

WinNT/2K/XP/Vista are full 32 bit protected mode OSes, and add the NTFS file system. NTFS has the concept of multiple users with different permissions, and it's possible to define different levels of access. Under NT/2K/XP, it was possible to define a restricted user id (Power User, who can run programs but not install them), but the default is to create IDs with full admin rights.

In Vista, the default is not to give IDs admin rights. This is a lot more secure, as various exploits aimed at Windows use admin rights to do the dirty work, and fail if the userid in use doesn't have them. But various programs need admin rights to function as intended, and must be installed by the Administrator ID and set to Run As Administrator when executed by a normal user. Most of the problems I've heard of on Vista trace to programs not being installed to Run As Admionistrator.
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Dennis

Wrt IE, I did create the cookies first in IE. My thought was that Windows always used IE cookies by default. Apparently they do honor the setting for the default browser, which is good. Maybe due to the lawsuits?

Can an already installed program in Vista be set to run automatically as administrator afterwards? I know I can right click and choose "Run as administrator", but can it happen always no matter how I launch it?

Hopefully over time the security issues will be greatly reduced as programs start to match the Vista paradigm. But until XP goes away, there's really not much incentive.

Wrt IE, I did create the cookies first in IE. My thought was that Windows always used IE cookies by default. Apparently they do honor the setting for the default browser, which is good. Maybe due to the lawsuits?Possibly. It's been years since it was a real problem. There are a few annoying programs hard-wired to launch IE when they need to spawn a browser to go online, but that's a nuisance more than anything else.

Can an already installed program in Vista be set to run automatically as administrator afterwards? I know I can right click and choose "Run as administrator", but can it happen always no matter how I launch it?I believe that's possible. I don't run Vista here -- I'm still on XP Pro -- but you should be able to modify the properties of the shortcut pointing to it to specify that.

Hopefully over time the security issues will be greatly reduced as programs start to match the Vista paradigm. But until XP goes away, there's really not much incentive.I don't expect XP to go away for some time. Microsoft has already had to extend the date at which XP would be unsupported, and had to modify their forecasts of the amount of revenue from XP upward. Lots of folks (like me) have no plans to move until there is no choice. (And when I do move, it might be Linux.)
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Dennis

I'm excited to hear that others have had success with NY Times Cookies. I'd given up on them some time ago and have lately had success with http://mobile.nytimes.com, link depth 2. It's actually been pretty good this way, though it isn't technically the full-blown web site.

When I last tried, I'd been using both IE7 and Firefox2 and still wasn't getting the cookies registered. May have to try again.