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kennyc
09-02-2010, 07:13 AM
Just saw this:

Samsung on Thursday introduced its Galaxy Tab, a 7-inch tablet PC powered by Google's Android 2.2 "Froyo" operating system.

Amazingly, this powerful tablet is also a phone - although it's a huge one. In its press release, Samsung said "the Samsung Galaxy Tab turns out to be a perfect speakerphone on the desk, or a mobile phone on the move via Bluetooth headset." Clearly, you're not supposed to hold this thing up to your head.

....See here for the rest:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2368617,00.asp


more here:
http://androidcommunity.com/tag/samsung-galaxy-tab

pilotbob
09-02-2010, 09:26 AM
Engadget had some coverage with some video of the device in action. They show the Kobo reader running on it. I assume it will also run the Kindle for Android ap... once/if that is released.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/02/samsung-galaxy-tab-preview/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+weblogsinc%2Fengadget+%28Enga dget%29

BOb

GeoffC
09-02-2010, 09:45 AM
no usb port ?

Dave_S
09-02-2010, 10:34 AM
no usb port ?

The Engadget article says that it has a USB port and an HDMI port, among other kinds of ports for docking.

kennyc
09-02-2010, 11:22 AM
no usb port ?

Seems a bit weird it says:

"There's a 30-pin dock connector on the bottom that allows for HDMI, USB, and docking accessories (a car dock at least is planned)"

so it sound like it must be docked to allow usb connectivity.....seems a bit wrong to me...

GeoffC
09-02-2010, 12:24 PM
Seems a bit weird it says:

"There's a 30-pin dock connector on the bottom that allows for HDMI, USB, and docking accessories (a car dock at least is planned)"

so it sound like it must be docked to allow usb connectivity.....seems a bit wrong to me...


I just noticed the 30-pin connector, there was nothing else in what I read that allowed me to think a usb connection was possible, but now you've suggested a dock - that makes more sense - would the dock be included or would that be an added accessory ?

kjk
09-02-2010, 12:28 PM
Sounds like Samsung may be trying to standardize on a smart connector for their devices, similar to Apple's. Gives them a nice way to control/license accessories.

I can't tell from the writeups-is Samsung only selling this thru carriers for now?

edit: Ok, Expansys has it listed:
http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=201135
£679.99 for 16GB

Dopedangel
09-02-2010, 10:30 PM
WTF no wifi only and expensive compared to IPad. Don't they get that one of their main
competitive advantage is going to be price.
Most people that didn't buy an Ipad think it costs too much and are waiting for someone to build a cheaper device.
And I already signed for a galaxy s android phone contract now why would I want to sign another contract when I could just use wireless tethering in my android phone

kennyc
09-02-2010, 11:01 PM
Where did you get the idea it doesn't have WiFi?

wallcraft
09-02-2010, 11:16 PM
Where did you get the idea it doesn't have WiFi? If has WiFi and 3G, but no "WiFi only" model. This may be an Android Market issue, there isn't currently an Android tablet app store and a device may have to include 3G to be allowed access to the Market.

kennyc
09-02-2010, 11:36 PM
Oh I see wifi ONLY model.

Dopedangel
09-03-2010, 01:42 AM
any way samsung have already botched up android in their phones I am not sure
I would be buying a first gen device again
It's annoying to have the best hardware and OS crippled by an idiotic choice of filesystem

kennyc
09-03-2010, 06:32 AM
I'm just glad to see Android tablets coming out regardless of price or features...both will evolve with the market...

GeoffC
09-03-2010, 06:43 AM
assuredly so ...

wodin
09-03-2010, 02:21 PM
WOW!! 680 Pounds! Spendy lil buggah. Especially on the heels of Archos' and Velocity Micro's announcements for 7" capacitive screen tablets for 1/3 the price, albeit no 3G. But then a cellular data plan just runs the price up even more.

T_Frain_K
09-04-2010, 01:06 PM
Apparently, the prices are not confirmed by Samsung until release (mid Oct.).
Austrian Newspapers quoted €699 /€799, but chances are, these are assumtions too.

Sonist
09-06-2010, 01:21 AM
The price is higher, because the Super AMOLED screen is pricier. It is really the best phone screen I've seen, IMO -- the contrast is just amazing.

For me, though, it's a no go" I already find the screen size of my Kindle DX and iPad too small for PDFs, and 7 is closer to my Kindle 2, which I almost never use anymore.

T_Frain_K
09-06-2010, 06:26 AM
The Galaxy Tab will not have a Super-AMOLED screen, not even an AMOLED one. :(
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/06/samsung-excuses-absence-of-super-amoled-on-galaxy-tab-with-super/

fencepost
09-08-2010, 03:15 AM
I assume it will also run the Kindle for Android ap... once/if that is released.

The Kindle app is available for Android - it was actually preinstalled on my Vibrant, and was updated from the market from the version that ships on the phone. It's the first thing that turns up on a Market search for Kindle.

RoboRay
09-08-2010, 03:30 PM
I assume it will also run the Kindle for Android ap... once/if that is released.


It was released a couple of months ago.

Xerxes
09-10-2010, 12:40 AM
Hmmm... What's the opposite of love? Oh yeah, I hate the price of this thing. Archos has a good idea. If I need wifi, just let me tether to my phone.

petermillard
09-10-2010, 02:37 AM
Let's not forget that iPad was widely touted as being in the $800-1000 range by a whole host of 'experts' analysts and pundits before it was launched with the $499 bombshell in April. I'm sure Samsung will price Galaxy at a level they think it will sell best at, though I do find it telling that just a few short weeks away from launch and they haven't confirmed prices yet - if they were bringing this to market for significantly less than the iPad I think they'd be shouting it from the rooftops, and whilst I'm sure a well-specced 7" tablet from a reputable supplier that isn't Apple will do well, it does need to be priced appropriately.

Cheers, Pete

Xerxes
09-10-2010, 03:15 AM
Archos's $300 dollar is better than $500. But with Apple you'll get more support. I already know Archos won't be able to update to Android 3.0. Sad state of affairs. And I feel like the dupe who will try and get one day one anyways.

Dopedangel
09-10-2010, 04:11 AM
Archos's $300 dollar is better than $500. But with Apple you'll get more support. I already know Archos won't be able to update to Android 3.0. Sad state of affairs. And I feel like the dupe who will try and get one day one anyways.

If the device has good specs and cheap it will get custom mods, hacks and updates its open source OS even if Archos's don't upgrade someone else will.
Although I would wait for Gingerbread to be released before I buy any tablet.

Xerxes
09-10-2010, 01:48 PM
If the device has good specs and cheap it will get custom mods, hacks and updates its open source OS even if Archos's don't upgrade someone else will.
Although I would wait for Gingerbread to be released before I buy any tablet.

Yeah the more I think about it, Archos 101 seems ok, but Gingerbread might be something to wait for. But now I'm so worked up for wanting a tablet.

Phogg
09-12-2010, 05:00 PM
New review up here. (http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/09/10/Galaxy-Tab-in-my-Pocket)

kennyc
09-12-2010, 05:16 PM
Thanks for that Phogg!

Sonist
09-13-2010, 03:27 AM
The Galaxy Tab will not have a Super-AMOLED screen, not even an AMOLED one. :(
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/06/samsung-excuses-absence-of-super-amoled-on-galaxy-tab-with-super/

Ah, well... :(

Without the Super AMOLED screen, the Samsung Tab better be under $400 if it is to sell at all and under $300 if it is to sell in any substantial numbers. The 7" field is already getting crowded and I personally fail to see the appeal -- too big to be pocketable, too small to be really useful as a tablet.

TomeRaider
09-13-2010, 07:32 AM
A 7 inch tab is the same overall size as your 6 inch kindle and hence the same size that %90+ of users seem to think is the best form factor for an ereader. I have an apad android tablet - a cruddy screen etc but in terms of size it gives a good idea of how convenient a quality tab this size would be. It can be held easily in 1 hand and offers a great sofa web browsing experience or short period reader

Dopedangel
09-17-2010, 02:14 AM
Good they heard the complains now are going to come out with a wifi only ver as well

krischik
09-17-2010, 04:13 AM
This may be an Android Market issue, there isn't currently an Android tablet app store and a device may have to include 3G to be allowed access to the Market.

Remove the “may”s from the sentence and it becomes correct.

And I do not suggest to buy a device without marketplace access. All the in-depended Android Apps shops are tiny compared to Android-Marketplace. And that might not change as the conditions offered to the developers are just bad and there sales are minute.

I know what I am talking about as I have two applications for sale. In retrospect all shops apart from Android Market sell so badly that they do not even recoup the time needed registering a developers account filling in the upload forms.

So don't fall for the 3rd party shop offer excuse from the hardware manufactures and do yourself a favour and only get a device with Marketplace access.

Martin

PS: Note that all shops have different rules on size of marketing text, size of screen shots, allowed HTML to pep up marketing text, etc pp.

krischik
09-17-2010, 04:27 AM
Archos' and Velocity Micro's

Archos has no MarketPlace access and resistive touch screen is a no go for a multi touch OS.

Martin

PS: Yes it is possible to build multi touch resistive touch screens. But that is special hardware and not the usual off the shelf variety.

krischik
09-17-2010, 04:42 AM
Just to make my point a little clearer, a few important 3rd party Android Shops:

https://slideme.org: No Kindle, No Nook, No Kobo
http://www.handango.com: No Kindle, No Nook, No Kobo
http://andappstore.com: No Kindle, No Nook, No Kobo
http://appslib.com: No Kindle, No Nook, No Kobo

Especially the last one is interesting as it is shop run by Archos. So yes the Archos is cheaper but what are you going to do with it?

TomeRaider
09-17-2010, 05:12 AM
The 400 euro question is (price diff between the expected price of the samsung galaxy and the pretty much equivalent archos 70 aside from the 3G and hence android marketplace): what does it take to install android marketplace on the Archos?
I've seen some threads saying that this has been added on some other Archos models but dont know what it would take. I for one don't need another 3g device + contract (my galaxy S is fine) and I dont want to pay 400 euros just for marketplace access either

krischik
09-17-2010, 05:29 AM
what does it take to install android marketplace on the Archos?

Installing the Software is not the problem. But you would have the fake your device id as well otherwise the Android-Marketplace server won't talk with your device.

Xerxes
09-17-2010, 06:28 AM
Just to make my point a little clearer, a few important 3rd party Android Shops:

https://slideme.org: No Kindle, No Nook, No Kobo
http://www.handango.com: No Kindle, No Nook, No Kobo
http://andappstore.com: No Kindle, No Nook, No Kobo
http://appslib.com: No Kindle, No Nook, No Kobo

Especially the last one is interesting as it is shop run by Archos. So yes the Archos is cheaper but what are you going to do with it?

I was watching a video not to long ago and the Kindle app was already installed. Not sure if that'll make the final cut though. But just being able to to do stuff is enough. Might not work for my mom who needs her hand held in matters of technology, but if I wanted to be babied I'd have a Ipad.

Sonist
09-17-2010, 08:01 PM
I was watching a video not to long ago and the Kindle app was already installed. Not sure if that'll make the final cut though. But just being able to to do stuff is enough. Might not work for my mom who needs her hand held in matters of technology, but if I wanted to be babied I'd have a Ipad.

Sometimes it's good to just have something working, though....:rolleyes:

Xerxes
09-17-2010, 08:07 PM
Sometimes it's good to just have something working, though....:rolleyes:

This I can agree with. I have love hate feelings towards closed systems. At the moment financially, it's hate. Comes in handy too. My book group just started reading The Windup Girl; Alas, not on Kindle. But with a little help from Inkmesh I was able to fine a epub for it.

Things that are supposed to just work have their own issues.

kennyc
09-17-2010, 08:12 PM
This I can agree with. I have love hate feelings towards closed systems. At the moment financially, it's hate. Comes in handy too. My book group just started reading The Windup Girl; Alas, not on Kindle. But with a little help from Inkmesh I was able to fine a epub for it.

Things that are supposed to just work have their own issues.


That's supposed to be a great story (and great writer) from reports. It's on my to-read list.

Baen:
http://inkmesh.com/ebooks/windup-girl-paolo-bacigalupi-ebook/?qs=The+Windup+Girl+by+Paolo+Bacigalupi

Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Windup-Girl-ebook/dp/B0041T4ML4/?tag=inkmesh-20

Xerxes
09-17-2010, 08:49 PM
That's supposed to be a great story (and great writer) from reports. It's on my to-read list.

Baen:
http://inkmesh.com/ebooks/windup-girl-paolo-bacigalupi-ebook/?qs=The+Windup+Girl+by+Paolo+Bacigalupi

Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Windup-Girl-ebook/dp/B0041T4ML4/?tag=inkmesh-20

That's probably cause my cohorts clicked the "I’d like to read this book on Kindle " link. :p

It is a pretty good book so far. I still have 20 chapters to go.

SensualPoet
09-18-2010, 12:29 PM
The Samsung Galaxy Tab will be running Android OS 2.2 in the initial release AND have fully sanctioned on device access to the Android apps market. I believe one of the reasons it passes ahead of 3.0 is that this device can operate as a phone.

Is there word if it runs HSPA+ 7.2 or 21 mbps like some of the data sticks?

Rogers has confirmed (in a note in the Globe and Mail) that the tablet will be sold in Canada "this fall" ... but, of course, no pricing yet. I'd be interested in one, at the right price, and where I could run it in wifi mode most of the time.

Dave_S
09-18-2010, 01:20 PM
The Samsung Galaxy Tab will be running Android OS 2.2 in the initial release AND have fully sanctioned on device access to the Android apps market.

Froyo on the Galaxy Tab? Run with Care
http://www.pcworld.com/printable/article/id,205652/printable.html

Sonist
09-18-2010, 06:13 PM
The Samsung Galaxy Tab will be running Android OS 2.2 in the initial release AND have fully sanctioned on device access to the Android apps market. I believe one of the reasons it passes ahead of 3.0 is that this device can operate as a phone. ....

The Galaxy Tab will NOT be running as a phone (http://www.androidguys.com/2010/09/16/sprint-samsung-galaxy-tab-4g-capabilities/) in the US: Samsung yanked out this option on all four carriers.

So far, this thing looks like a total loser to me. No voice means no Market, and it has a smaller, regular TFT, which is inferior to the IPS screen on the iPad.

Samsung also has crappy record with upgrades, so I wouldn't bet $600 that this will be upgraded to Gingerbread. Heck, they can't even get 2.2 out for the Galaxy S :(

krischik
09-19-2010, 04:37 AM
Samsung yanked out this option on all four carriers.

the US mobile market must be a very special beast. I hear nothing good about it.

Martin

Dave_S
09-19-2010, 08:29 AM
No voice means no Market

Not really. All it needs is a cellular data connection, with the corresponding hardware identification codes, to qualify for market access. The article that I posted earlier seems to imply that they have negotiated Android Market access, even though the oddball screen size is going to be an issue. If anyone really wants voice with it, they could possibly try VOIP?

T_Frain_K
09-19-2010, 11:06 AM
..., regular TFT, which is inferior to the IPS screen on the iPad. :(The used "Super-LCD" is supposed to be quite impressive. I'd still prefer S-AMOLED:(

tubemonkey
09-19-2010, 11:31 AM
Samsung (and the others) should make a 4.3" WiFi only Android tablet with iPod touch pricing.

krischik
09-19-2010, 02:31 PM
Samsung (and the others) should make a 4.3" WiFi only Android tablet with iPod touch pricing.

Hmm, I consider 5 inch the watermark between smart phone, PDA or mobile media player and a tablet. I know there is no official rule but 5 inch or 12.5 cm is a good line to draw between the two product group.

Or can you think of any other way to distinguish the media player iPod-Touch and the iPad? Ohh, wait - you consider the iPod-Touch a tablet and not a media player.

Martin

petermillard
09-19-2010, 02:53 PM
Samsung (and the others) should make a 4.3" WiFi only Android tablet with iPod touch pricing.

I agree, an Android-based iPod Touch competitor would be very interesting. Don't you think though, that if they could do it at a similar price, they would have done it already? It's not like OEMs haven't had plenty of time to come up with something competitive, so maybe it just really isn't that easy??

Pete

tubemonkey
09-19-2010, 02:55 PM
Or can you think of any other way to distinguish the media player iPod-Touch and the iPad? Ohh, wait - you consider the iPod-Touch a tablet and not a media player.

Martin

Exactly; other than screen size, they're fairly similar in capabilities.

Dopedangel
09-20-2010, 06:15 AM
I agree, an Android-based iPod Touch competitor would be very interesting. Don't you think though, that if they could do it at a similar price, they would have done it already? It's not like OEMs haven't had plenty of time to come up with something competitive, so maybe it just really isn't that easy??

Pete

Their already is a four inch version available in Korea that is just the Android tablet without the phone. I don't remember what it is called exactly. I don't think its going to be released internationally.

tubemonkey
09-20-2010, 06:57 AM
Don't you think though, that if they could do it at a similar price, they would have done it already? It's not like OEMs haven't had plenty of time to come up with something competitive, so maybe it just really isn't that easy??

Pete

It really is that easy. There have been enough teardowns to show that most smartphones cost less than $200 to make. The iPhone 4 costs Apple $188 to manufacture. Taking the phone radio out would make it even cheaper to produce.

m-reader
09-20-2010, 07:36 AM
Samsung (and the others) should make a 4.3" WiFi only Android tablet with iPod touch pricing.

Archos is already doing it ...

krischik
09-20-2010, 09:00 AM
Archos is already doing it ...

Right, everything from 2.8 inch to 10.1 inch in 5 fine tunes steps. A pretty nifty strategy. See: http://www.archos.com/products/ta/index.html?country=ch&lang=de

tubemonkey
09-20-2010, 12:28 PM
Archos is already doing it ...

Too bad their quality sucks.

krischik
09-20-2010, 01:58 PM
Too bad their quality sucks.

And they don't have access to the Android market.

Sonist
09-20-2010, 03:10 PM
Not really. All it needs is a cellular data connection, with the corresponding hardware identification codes, to qualify for market access. The article that I posted earlier seems to imply that they have negotiated Android Market access, even though the oddball screen size is going to be an issue. If anyone really wants voice with it, they could possibly try VOIP?

You may very well be right about Market access.

But all the other negatives about this tablet still stand. Pretty poor buy, IMO.

krischik
09-21-2010, 03:09 AM
regular TFT, which is inferior to the IPS screen on the iPad.

I have looked up IPS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD#In-plane_switching_.28IPS.29). It is just a variation of TFT LCD. The full name would be “In-plane switching Thin film transistor liquid crystal display” (IPS-TFT-LCD).

Like all LCD it is optically passive (it does not emit photons by itself) and need additional light (usually build in). And it is a pretty old technology (1996).

Interestingly enough AMOLED too is a TFT technology. It would be “Thin film transistor organic light-emitting diode” (TFT-OLED) but I guess the manufactures decided against that as it would lead to confusion with the consumer and went for “Active matrix organic light-emitting diode” instead. But AM is only a more general term for TFT (TFT ∈ AM).

So long talk short meaning: The real difference is LCD vs LED no matter how many extra letters you put in front of the name.

Martin

Xerxes
09-21-2010, 05:48 AM
And they don't have access to the Android market.

I still don't believe it will be that big an issue. Can't say until it's out though.

This is all pointless until 3.0 and hopefully a new marketplace not reliant on cellular data access.

kennyc
09-21-2010, 07:16 AM
I have looked up IPS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD#In-plane_switching_.28IPS.29). It is just a variation of TFT LCD. The full name would be “In-plane switching Thin film transistor liquid crystal display” (IPS-TFT-LCD).

Like all LCD it is optically passive (it does not emit photons by itself) and need additional light (usually build in). And it is a pretty old technology (1996).

Interestingly enough AMOLED too is a TFT technology. It would be “Thin film transistor organic light-emitting diode” (TFT-OLED) but I guess the manufactures decided against that as it would lead to confusion with the consumer and went for “Active matrix organic light-emitting diode” instead. But AM is only a more general term for TFT (TFT ∈ AM).

So long talk short meaning: The real difference is LCD vs LED no matter how many extra letters you put in front of the name.

Martin

:thumbsup:

Dave_S
09-21-2010, 08:38 AM
This is all pointless until 3.0 and hopefully a new marketplace not reliant on cellular data access.

Like you, I had always assumed that Android Market permission depended on a device having cellular data access. However, I have just quickly scanned through the Android 2.2 Compatibility Definition document, and that *may* not actually be the case. The 20 page document lists all the requirements for a device to be considered compatible to Android 2.2. Section 8.13 says "Android 2.2 MAY be used on devices that do not include telephony hardware." Things that MUST be included include USB, GPS, Bluetooth, 3 axis compass, accelerometer, 2 megapixel or more camera, wireless data networking (can be WiFi),etc.,etc.. In addition, the device "MUST pass the most recent version of the Android Compatibility Test Suite". The list of MUST have hardware and software requirements is fairly long, and I do not think that that I have seen any of the tablets currently being excluded from the Android Market meeting all of those hardware requirements.
http://static.googleusercontent.com/external_content/untrusted_dlcp/source.android.com/en//compatibility/android-2.2-cdd.pdf

FWIW, the document for Android 2.1 looks quite similar.

Xerxes
09-21-2010, 02:30 PM
GPS is probably whats holding things up? So I can run google maps right? -_-

krischik
09-21-2010, 03:17 PM
GPS is probably whats holding things up? So I can run google maps right? -_-

Yes, that seem to be it:

Device implementations MUST include a GPS receiver, and SHOULD include some form of "assisted GPS" technique to minimize GPS lock-on time.

The Archos tablets don't have GPS.

Martin

Dave_S
09-21-2010, 04:08 PM
The Archos tablets don't have GPS.


Just looking quickly at the Archos specifications for the 7" version, it also seems to be missing the 3 axis compass and a qualifying camera. It has a VGA camera, which is MUCH less than the required 2 megapixels. Of course, there is no way that I could tell from their specifications if their software could pass the Android Compatibility Test Suite either.

Xerxes
09-21-2010, 07:06 PM
But google, I don't want you to know where I am when I'm reading books. >_<

RoboRay
09-21-2010, 07:19 PM
I remember reading a few months ago that only members of Gooogle's Open Handet Alliance can sell devices with Android Market access, but I don't recall where I read that. Samsung is a member, anyway. I'm sure there are other hardware-specific requirements, as well.

Sonist
09-22-2010, 02:17 AM
I have looked up IPS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TFT_LCD#In-plane_switching_.28IPS.29). It is just a variation of TFT LCD. The full name would be “In-plane switching Thin film transistor liquid crystal display” (IPS-TFT-LCD).

Like all LCD it is optically passive (it does not emit photons by itself) and need additional light (usually build in). And it is a pretty old technology (1996).

...

So long talk short meaning: The real difference is LCD vs LED no matter how many extra letters you put in front of the name.

Martin

IPS offers noticeably superior viewing angles than regular TFT (I use both), which matters a lot for a tablet. The main reason IPS was not popular was that it was too expensive until recently (it was found in $4k+ monitors). In the last year and a bit both Apple and Dell brought out much more reasonably priced models (still $500+).

I hadn't noticed that Samsung is putting Sony's Super-LCD on the Tab, which is comparable to IPS.

But still, the Galaxy Tab is a poor buy -- smaller resolution and screen, poorer battery life than the iPad. IMO at least.

T_Frain_K
09-22-2010, 03:13 PM
So long talk short meaning: ...:thumbsup:But still, the Galaxy Tab is a poor buy -- smaller resolution and screen, poorer battery life than the iPad. IMO at least.Just let the child be born before you decide it´s ugly.
The good news is, Samsung has upped their capacity to manufacture AMOLED screens by the factor 10 recently (Engadget link (http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/08/samsung-mobile-display-promises-10x-increase-in-production-next/)) - So one might make it in Tab 2.0 (or whatever).
Interesting sidenote: The Super-AMOLED screen, which the Galaxy S phones boast (which, by the way, is just gorgeous, I tell you), is not exclusively for Samsung devices - every manufacturer could use it on his devices. They just seemed to be on short supply and therefore more expensive.