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devilsadvocate
07-31-2010, 07:45 PM
http://www.mobileread.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=310&pictureid=3143
http://www.mobileread.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=310&pictureid=3145
http://www.mobileread.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=310&pictureid=3144

Okay, funny story...

Phenomshel wanted to go to the nearest (to us) KMart to look at the Augen e-book reader. It's nice, and for the price it's really nice. The Gentouch was next to it; they had 4 in stock. I said something along the lines of "Not bad", reasoning that I might pick one up in a month or so, depending on whether I want to up my Tour to a Bold 9650 (and make money on my Tour) or spring for the Droid X.

Then we got home and got online. Oops.

I found out they apparently were just released today and KMarts in major metro areas were running out of these within hours. I looked at Shel and said, "Umm, I think we need to go back."

These are just the pics I happen to have in my Tour right now; there will be more and I will review the device for my site sometime this weekend. I see much hacking in my future, as if I didn't do enough of that already.

wodin
07-31-2010, 11:06 PM
http://www.mobileread.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=310&pictureid=3143
http://www.mobileread.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=310&pictureid=3145
http://www.mobileread.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=310&pictureid=3144

Okay, funny story...

Phenomshel wanted to go to the nearest (to us) KMart to look at the Augen e-book reader. It's nice, and for the price it's really nice. The Gentouch was next to it; they had 4 in stock. I said something along the lines of "Not bad", reasoning that I might pick one up in a month or so, depending on whether I want to up my Tour to a Bold 9650 (and make money on my Tour) or spring for the Droid X.

Then we got home and got online. Oops.

I found out they apparently were just released today and KMarts in major metro areas were running out of these within hours. I looked at Shel and said, "Umm, I think we need to go back."

These are just the pics I happen to have in my Tour right now; there will be more and I will review the device for my site sometime this weekend. I see much hacking in my future, as if I didn't do enough of that already.

Uhhh, Can't see your pics!

phenomshel
07-31-2010, 11:17 PM
Uhhh... no idea why, they're showing up here? PM me and I'll email them to you if you want.

wodin
08-01-2010, 01:58 PM
Uhhh... no idea why, they're showing up here? PM me and I'll email them to you if you want.

Thanks Shel, I tried with IE and Firefox, no joy??? I'll just wait for devilsadvocate's review.

edit- I also broke out my netbook, and connected it to my cell phone wireless access point with Sprint instead of my cable modem. Still no pics.

I'm not sure what's up with that, two different computers, two different broadband connections, two different firewalls; same results! :blink::blink:

phenomshel
08-01-2010, 02:32 PM
What's REALLY odd is they are showing up in your first reply! Anyway, I've emailed them to you :)

devilsadvocate
08-01-2010, 04:11 PM
Thanks Shel, I tried with IE and Firefox, no joy??? I'll just wait for devilsadvocate's review.


Yeah, about that review...

It might be a little while, turns out these things have major driver issues e.g. not picking up or showing up as a USB device, no way to sync/align the touchscreen, downloads fail in the App Market, and screen orientation is broken. They rushed these things out bigtime; some of them appear to still run a development copy of Android-2.1. I'm on the fence with it now, waiting a week to see if they get everything working the way it's supposed to and returning it if they don't. It's probably really usable as an ebook reader but for that price you can have one of the Big Three.

I don't want to do a review of something like this when they obviously didn't intend for it to be released in this condition; I'll give them a chance to make it worth the US$150 I paid for it.

For Wodin and anyone else who couldn't see the pics:

http://www.mobileread.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=310&pictureid=3143

http://www.mobileread.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=310&pictureid=3144

http://www.mobileread.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=310&pictureid=3145

Don't know why they didn't show; they're in my album. Again, they're not the greatest, but I'll worry about that if I decide to keep it.

heffe2001
08-02-2010, 12:18 AM
Just a FYI, but it looks like it's going to get CyanogenMod 6 (which is Froyo/2.2) at some point soon...

Phandroid (http://phandroid.com/2010/07/31/augens-gentouch78-k-mart-tablet-getting-cyanogenmod-6/)

I'll likely pick one up next payday if I can swing it..

toddos
08-02-2010, 02:24 AM
I'm still waiting for my local KMart store(s) to get stock. I've got a raincheck at one but when I called today just to check if they had gotten anything in yet, I talked to two different associates and neither had any idea what I was talking about. I called another store in the area (that won't honor my raincheck at the first store, and since the sale is over wouldn't let me put in a raincheck with them for the sale price) and the guy I talked to was aware of the product but didn't think they'd have any for another week or two.

devilsadvocate
08-02-2010, 02:11 PM
I took it back.

Too many problems that shouldn't have been problems by the time it was released. I had to take the blasted thing apart to insert/remove the SD card. Augen didn't move fast enough to correct the problems with screen orientation, the USB driver fix still didn't solve the issue, and even though I have Android-x86 with which I could have gotten .apks and sideloaded them (maybe), they should have made fixing Android Market one of their highest priorities. From what I'd seen, these came out with whatever build of Eclair they happened to use to test that particular unit that day. This isn't about Android, this is about rushing to market in search of profit.

Maybe next time.

Here's what I worry about: I dig Android; it has a huge amount of potential (one good thing I can say about the Gentouch is it motivated me to find Android plugins for my NetBeans IDE), but I know better. KMart's average buyer won't have that understanding, and this may well be the first Android device they try. If it motivated me to return it (and I tweak stuff like that just on GP, just ask my wife), I can only imagine how it could sour Joe Average on Android in general, with the less tech-inclined still not able to separate hardware from software.

On the bright side, I just got that much closer to getting a Droid X or Incredible.

wodin
08-02-2010, 02:55 PM
I think it was K-Mart’s fault that they rushed to market. When they released (lost control of) that flyer, Augen really didn’t have much choice than to ship a less than mature product. To their credit, it looks like they’re working double shifts to address the problems. The next few weeks will tell.

It’s a real shame that sometimes too much success can kill a small company.

devilsadvocate
08-02-2010, 03:26 PM
I think it was K-Martís fault that they rushed to market. When they released (lost control of) that flyer, Augen really didnít have much choice than to ship a less than mature product. To their credit, it looks like theyíre working double shifts to address the problems. The next few weeks will tell.

Itís a real shame that sometimes too much success can kill a small company.
That could very well be, but the issue goes deeper than that if my experience at this store is any indication. Granted we're not in a booming metropolis (the town in which this store is located is good for maybe ~18,000 population), but the girl at the customer service counter (who was as helpful & friendly as possible) mentioned that she was planning on getting one with her next paycheck and was grateful for what I'd told her about it. Shouldn't retailers know something about what they're selling? Realistically, if KMart said "ship or die", Wally-World or Target could have gotten a fire-sale deal on a more mature product.

Also, AndroidSpin (http://androidspin.com/2010/07/31/augen-gentouch-tablet-delayed/) is saying there was a "problem with the manufacturer" and that the whole train was ground to a halt until September. Whoever has a raincheck might well be getting something that was already returned once. Last I heard, KMart doesn't have the pull in retail anymore to do this kind of stuff.

heffe2001
08-04-2010, 11:18 PM
On the bright side, I just got that much closer to getting a Droid X or Incredible.

I've got the Inc, and played with the X, and I don't think you'll be disappointed with either of them. I've played a bit with the Nook software on my Inc, and it's screen is clear enough on text, and was sharp an clear (but I still prefer my Jetbook for my reading).

jgray
08-06-2010, 02:00 AM
Sometimes it pays to be persistent. After getting a rain check, I was told that the local Kmart would be getting stock last week. I kept checking with the store all last week, but no Gentouch. Last night, on a whim, I drove over there again.

The head of the electronics dept. told me he didn't have any and didn't know when/if they would get any. He also told me that if they did have any, that someone would have called me, as I had a rain check.

I asked him to check the computer to see if any arrived on the last supply truck. Instead, he disappeared into the stock room. Several minutes later, he is at the register with a Gentouch in hand. Says he only found the one. Sometimes being persistent and annoying pays off :)

After a brief charge, I played around with the unit a bit last night. I will be applying the recently released patches and doing a more thourough test over the next few days. Today was wasted, as I was ill.

Below are my initial impressions so far. I'll have more to add later.

Although the case is all plastic, the build quality looks good. I know some othes complained of bad fitting pieces, but I put this down to typical Chinese OEM quality control. Admittedly, I only have a sample of one, but this thing looks to be better made than many Chinese made products in this price range.

As for overall quality, a good comparison would be to my jetBook. When it first came out, some here called it a piece of plastic crap. Now there seem to be many happy jetbook owners about (me included). I find the Gentouch to be built as well as the jetbook, which cost me more money.

My only real complaint about the physical design or fit of this device is the MicroSD slot. The cutout for the slot is too deep (front to back). When I first put in a card, I put it into the space between the card socket and the plastic case. Thankfully, it didn't fall inside. I managed to pry it out and insert it properly. The metal contacts on the card face towards the screen. The card slot is all the way forward, toward the screen. The card socket sits slightly below the cutout, so you will probably need something smaller than your finger to push the card in until it latches (clicks).

I would have preferred a full-size SD card, instead of a Micro-SD. As large as this tablet is, an SD could have been used.

Some have said that the back gets hot, near the battery. While charging, the back did get warm (not hot). When running on battery, I did not notice that it was particularly warm.

Being a former Nokia N800 user, I found the response of the resistive screen to be quite good. I thought it was more sensitive than the N800 was. One of the recently released patches is supposed to make this even better. I'll let you know. True, you will not be using a gosamer light touch as some claim for a capacitive screen (I haven't tried one of those yet). However, I had no trouble with using a quick flick of my finger to do page turns while reading a book.

As for the software not being what it should, that is true. Someone did rush this thing out. The recently released patches do address some of these issues. The patches that address USB connectivity to a PC don't help me, as I have Win7, 64 bit. There are supposed to be 64 bit versions released mid month. In the mean time, I'll try things on a laptop with WinXP.

I don't want to give the impression that the Android software is totally useless. In fact, most things work just fine. Once the Market, USB, rotation and other little issues get fixed, things will be quite useable.

There is one small annoyance, but it may be that Android is supposed to work this way. This is my first Android device, so I'm not sure. The icons for WiFi, battery, etc at the top of the screen don't seem to be overly useful. Sure, they change color to indicate state, but they don't seem to do anything else. On my N800 and on previous Win Mobile devices, tapping or pressing on such status icons would either pop up with additional information (battery charge %) or take you to the settings for that device. On this tablet, I get none of that. Is this normal?

I haven't done a battery test yet. Last night, after a quick charge, I read for about two hours and the battery icon still showed all green. Of course, I don't know how accurate that icon is. I plan on testing the runtime after a full charge. Stay tuned.

That's it for now.

wodin
08-06-2010, 03:26 PM
There is one small annoyance, but it may be that Android is supposed to work this way. This is my first Android device, so I'm not sure. The icons for WiFi, battery, etc at the top of the screen don't seem to be overly useful. Sure, they change color to indicate state, but they don't seem to do anything else. On my N800 and on previous Win Mobile devices, tapping or pressing on such status icons would either pop up with additional information (battery charge %) or take you to the settings for that device. On this tablet, I get none of that. Is this normal?


The top bar, usually called the top drawer, can be dragged down to show status of the various notifications (email, SMS, app installations, etc.) that appear on the left side of the drawer. Since this is not a phone, you probably don't have any notifications, so all it will show you is the date.

jgray
08-06-2010, 11:50 PM
After using a WinXP laptop to update the software on the Gentouch, I installed Aldiko, FBReader and a few other apps.

I will say that the way the internal memory and the MicroSD card are handled is a bit strange. First, unlike most devices that attach to a PC via USB, you have to load drivers to see the storage. It does not use the standard Mass Storage Driver. I know some cameras and such also require drivers, but it is annoying.

The second annoyance regarding USB use is that you have to manually "mount" both the internal memory and the MicroSD card before they will show up in Windows. I guess this is just the way Android does things. My old N800 didn't require this extra step (or drivers), so it's not a Linux thing in general.

Both Aldiko and FBReader work fine. I do wish Aldiko supported more than just epub, so I didn't have to use two different programs. I haven't located a good PDF reader yet, so that will make it three programs for reading.

As far as reading with Aldiko, I like it very much. The page turns require only a very light swipe of the finger. No heavy pressing needed.

I have been reading with Aldiko for about 1.5 hours on battery. If the remaining percentage indicator is accurate, this would extrapolate out to 6.8 hours of battery life. We'll see how close I get to this.

After using this tablet for a number of hours, I can't really fault the hardware. Considering the price, this is quite a lot of hardware. The software OTOH needs work. Augen hasn't yet released all of the promised patches, so I'm expecting things to get better. Some of the issues have to do with the fact that until recently, Android has been a phone OS. It still needs some tweaking to make it a better fit for tablets.

So far, I think I'll keep this until something better comes along that is also affordable. Under $200 or so is a real sweet spot for the average consumer.

jgray
08-07-2010, 01:57 AM
I'm calling it quits for the night, but after reading for four solid hours, the battery level is at 42%. Looks like the 6-7 hour projection is correct.

Oops. Looks like I spoke too soon. While I was typing this, the Gentouch made a noise at me and shut off. It seems that four hours is the limit. I have it on the charger again.

Bummer.

toddos
08-08-2010, 01:48 AM
Just got my Gentouch today. After a lot of updating and modifications, I've just about got it where I want it.

jgray's assessment of the hardware is pretty much spot on. The resistive touch screen can be finicky, but it's much better after loading the calibration update and doing a calibration (use the stylus for this). The microSD slot is painful. You have to be very careful about insertion (the metal connectors on the card face the screen, and don't accidentally slip it into the body of the case!), and removing the card at least for me requires a pair of tweezers.

I was able to update the device on Win7 64-bit after installing the Android SDK. Windows couldn't find drivers when the device was running, but when you follow the flash instructions (hold the back button, press the reset button, keep holding the back button until Windows connects and the device remains on a black screen) it was able to connect in "fastboot" mode. I don't know if it worked because I had the SDK installed or not, but if you can't get it to connect in fastboot mode for flashing try installing the SDK (search for it, it's easy to find with lots of guides on slatedroid's wiki, etc).

I've rooted my device, changed the launcher (default launcher doesn't change orientation when you rotate), got the market working, added "Button Shortcuts" to setup a long-press of search as "rotate screen", installed "Auto Memory Manager", etc. I haven't tried changing the MAC address yet, but as of right now I only have the one device so no network collisions to worry about. Once the community or Augen have fixed the MAC address I'll take that update as well.

Hopefully 64-bit drivers will be available soon. In the meantime, I've forced the device to use the SDK drivers for ADB access. This means I don't get access to the SD card over USB for now except through ADB (Android SDK debug tool), so loading books from Calibre requires unmounting the SD card, pulling it out with tweezers (see above), putting it in the SD card adapter, connecting it to a PC, and publishing from Calibre to the /ebooks/import folder so Aldiko can see the books. That's a lot of steps but at least it works for now.

Overall, It's pretty much what I'd expect from a $150 chinese device. It has its problems and it's certainly no iPad, but it's not terrible and has a lot of promise. If Augen keeps up with support and/or the hacking community continues to poke at it, this will be a pretty sweet little tablet in the very near future. Too bad nothing can be done about the terrible resistive touch screen.

Gwen Morse
08-17-2010, 04:38 PM
I'll correct this slightly to say this is the way the older versions of Android worked. I don't recall exactly when it stopped, but I think it already wasn't working that way when I had 2.0.

I agree it's annoying and I realize you have a tablet so updates to later versions of Android are unlikely. My solution was to get a micro-sd usb adapter and use that to copy files to/from the card.

I don't know if that would be more annoying than mounting/unmounting with buggy drivers.

toddos
08-18-2010, 03:59 AM
That's what I'm doing, unmounting my SD card and swapping back and forth between PC and tablet. It works, though it's cumbersome.

After having using the Augen for ~2 weeks, I'm really liking it. My current gripe is that screen brightness is an all-or-nothing affair. Well, that's not strictly true. There's a tiny little range somewhere near the bottom of the brightness scale where you can get maybe 10 different levels of brightness out of the device, but the range is so small that it's very easy to overshoot and go to full off. It seems like a mapping issue with the display driver on the device and the screen's capabilities, since the screen is fully capable of multiple dimming levels.

Perhaps there's a hack available to widen the range of brightness values.

cutterjohn42
08-18-2010, 07:43 AM
I posted this in the other GT thread, but I'll repost it here:

I've had one of these since Saturday, Augen calibrate update, rooted, Clockwork, setcpu(min 126MHz/max 600MHz left on OnDemand), marketfixed and clockwork update.zip fix(perma fixes market, redoes root, and adss nexus one startup anim. (Raincheck from 7/29) MUCH snappier than the base fw w/above. (We're pretty sure that it's a Dawa D7 or cost-reduced variant.)

It's not bad, I seem to get about 3h or so of WiFi operation after doing all the mods/hacks to it. Probably 4.5 - 6ish hours w/no WiFi. (These are rough as I've never run it dry since modding/hacking but it's NOTICEABLY better than the default shipped fw.)

It DOES run a bit warm, as in it does eventually get to feel warm on the battery side once you've been going through several web pages.

Brightness controls don't work properly, only slightly modified brightness i.e. not the range that you would expect.

No hw volume control, or any virtual vol. control buttons yet.

Only have really tried iReader as a reader app on it so far as I've been reading text files and most of the other apps mainly seem to support EPUB, FB2, etc. but not text.

Played a few videos w/the YouTube app. They actually play better than on my nb w/a 4850 mobility! (at least under Ubuntu 10.04, might be close v. Windows, but I'd still give the edge to the Gentouch)

Doesn't seem to truly suspend either, so I have it power down when not using it for a while. Boots fairly quickly, but I've never timed it exactly. Definitely WAY faster to useable than my Sony PRS-505 is from a cold start, but not as fast as my nb booting either Vista or Ubuntu 10.04.

CPU clock speed is still stuck @ 600MHz. This requires a new kernel compile to "fix".

Touchscreen is MUCH better after the calibrate update and then running the calibration app.

Battery seems to be soldered(by leads) direct to mb, bad IMNHO as I GREATLY prefer easily user-replaceable batteries and look in askance at companies who do not design for this.

Accelerometer ("g sensor") does NOT function, but various Android system info apps DO list it as present.

OpenGL ES is apparently being reported as 0.0 instead of 2.0 as the datasheet indicates that the TCC8902n + mali(GPU) can support.

Nook, Kindle, FBreader, Aldiko, etc. all work.

Browsing with the builtin in browser is decent, but I'm having a hard time going back to the window oriented approach v. tabs like I have on my desktop although I guess it's understandable for a machine with limited resources.

Skyfire and Dolphin browsers also are reported to work, but I haven't tried them myself yet.

Android market works, but google maps won't update ATM. (Apparently a problem that crops up from time to time with various Android devices and releases...)

User reported a problem with last.fm caching, haven't verified this myself yet. Another reported Pandora radio working, apparently good enough for his wife.

Apparently all units have the same MAC address assigned to the wireless card. Reports of a second batch(box w/o Android Market support claim) apparently have a different MAC address. Not sure if they're all unique now or just different from the earlier batch. (Mine must be the original batch as the box still mentions Android market support... and well.. I made it be supported... )

Note on batt runtime: Apparently some of the units have been shipped w/2100mAh batts while others came w/1500mAh batts. Not sure which is in mine as I may still end up returning it IF Augen is not able to provide better support(we're still waiting on a more complete fw update and so far they have pushed it back once, now scheduled for 8/20, likely with no accelerometer fix or CPU max frequency unlocking).

i.e. it's not bad, but w/o better Augen(Dawa?) support and/or source code so that we can fix things ourselves I can't really recommend it for most users. (Probably could pry the kernel patches out of Telechips(and hope that the Dawa changes are close enough) and then try to build a generic android build would be OK but alot of work/debugging. Already seems to be pretty much base Android 2.1-update1 anyways given what i see in the emulator(SDK) and what the base GT fw looked like minus extra apps are very close.

Didn't use the extra apps as shipped with base fw much and forgot to manually back them up before doing the market update(you blow away all the extra apps as part of that), but I have a clockwork nandroid backup from right after I rooted and added clockwork to the base fw so I still have the apps in an .img file. Just need to figure out how to unpack it, and see if any of the apps were really worth having as extras.

(I've been mainly using the default browser, iReader, and xda-developers app, plus toying around with maps...)

If it goes back I expect to order a Witstech A81-E w/GPS or variant either from mp4nation or merrimobiles or most likely JTshop(free extra battery w/them) as their Android 2.2(froyo) is looking to be shaping up well(flash is alpha, but youtube plays well, other things slow -- from videos), GPS support in the 8/9 ROM, and they're working on adding bluetooth drivers. (This device has no camera(GT doesn't either) or accelerometer(non-functional on GT)).

So, I suppose if you don't mind hacking and can find one you MIGHT want to try it, after all you can always return it, if it doesn't suit your needs. (My receipt states that I have until 11/12 to return mine, but I'm sure that w/in a week I'll have made a final decision.)

slatedroid forums would be the best place for info on this, but xda-developers forums also has a GT78 dev thread.. 80 some pages with all the hacks, and IIRC a pointer to the wiki with them all collected into one place.... hopefully slatedroid will be back up soon as that's the best GT general discussion forum that I've seen... sadly it also appears to be for the A81-E as well, unless mp4nation takes that over... a possibility since they will be shipping their own re-branded A81-E starting 8/23...

<snip> nm I see that in the end you got about 4h which is closer to what I'm experiencing after applying all current hack/mods... now to try to pry loose the kernel source patch from Telechips...


brightness control: I believe that it will likely require a new kernel compile, and let's just hope that that's the case rather than a hw bug...

BTW when he mentions that "small" range, I never even noticed it until I was using the GT outside one night and decided to see if I really couldn't do something about the brightness and noticed that it change a TINY bit... during the day I couldn't even tell if it did anything when I tried...

I ended up ripping out all of the telephony stuff again last night -> broken youtube(requires Phone.apk & TelephonyProvider.apk to work) as I noticed it was eating batt again w/WiFi off...

jblitereader
08-18-2010, 08:38 PM
Ok, guys, I've written a comprehensive review of the gentouch. At the end of my review, I've listed some 15 or so problems and fixes. While I listed the fixes, I kept in mind to keep them user friendly for those who are technical illiterate. In other words, You don't have to root or do any other hacking to get the device to work right.

Email me if you have other issues or suggestions. I think the gentouch has a lot of potential at a good price so I want to figure out all the fixes that are legit and so easy to execute that even a caveman could do it.

http://livingenzyme.webs.com/augengentouch78tablet.htm

cutterjohn42
08-18-2010, 10:48 PM
I'll add another note here since this thread is at the top... thermal management is AWFUL with this tablet... even with almost everything shut down and just using it to read a text document tonight in iReader the side oppo of the button was becoming "malleable", and local temps are probably at best c. 70F...

Hate to see what it would've been like when we were in the 90Fs and still mid-high 80sF at the same time...

(batt loc was, of course, the hottest.. they need to add vents if they're not going to spring for metal alloy cases! MY nb has vent back/side/bottom! Only screen protection is aluminum!)


*cough*
I've only owned mine since Saturday evening...


side oppo hw buttons in portrait mode was getting to be quite malleable... lotsa flexing... not good...

jblitereader
08-18-2010, 11:16 PM
I'll add another note here since this thread is at the top... thermal management is AWFUL with this tablet... even with almost everything shut down and just using it to read a text document tonight in iReader the side oppo of the button was becoming "malleable", and local temps are probably at best c. 70F...

Hate to see what it would've been like when we were in the 90Fs and still mid-high 80sF at the same time...

(batt loc was, of course, the hottest.. they need to add vents if they're not going to spring for metal alloy cases! MY nb has vent back/side/bottom! Only screen protection is aluminum!)


*cough*
I've only owned mine since Saturday evening...


side oppo hw buttons in portrait mode was getting to be quite malleable... lotsa flexing... not good...

I highly recommend you read my review at the link. I found a solution for your heating issue. You need to download and apply advanced task killer from my website. Even though it appears that nothing is running, you actually have a dozen different things running, which drains the battery and heats up your device. ATK will kill all those tasks. Your battery life will be a lot better and the device will be much cooler. Trust me on this.

cutterjohn42
08-19-2010, 12:44 AM
I highly recommend you read my review at the link. I found a solution for your heating issue. You need to download and apply advanced task killer from my website. Even though it appears that nothing is running, you actually have a dozen different things running, which drains the battery and heats up your device. ATK will kill all those tasks. Your battery life will be a lot better and the device will be much cooler. Trust me on this.Ah, no, I need some ventilation holes in my casing... as I've already trimmed running processes to near nil...

As a matter of fact this evening reading again with temps in the low 70sF here, the side oppo of the the hw buttons in "portrait" orientation became somehwta "malleable" while the GT was only being used as a reader(iReader)...

These guys need to start thinking about thermal management more than "styling"... hate to think what it would do if the SoC was running flat out # rated 800Mhz... probably a puddle of organics & metals... w/fireworks for fun(exploding battery undoubtedly)...

anyways, just to clue you in:
rooted, market hack, clockwork, update.zip, setcpu plus a bunch of other modifications using inbuilt system settings ATM...

jblitereader
08-19-2010, 01:22 AM
Are you sure you effectively shut down all the tasks? I know that right at start-up there are already half a dozen tasks running, mostly just preloaded google apps. Just install a task manager to see this for yourself.

When you don't see anything running, there are actually a dozen different things running.

I've tested my theory on 2 different gentouches. After advanced task kill killing off all those silent but deadly running tasks, the device was considerably cooler than before. Yes, it's still warm, but not hot. And battery life was way up.

anyways, just to clue you in:
rooted, market hack, clockwork, update.zip, setcpu plus a bunch of other modifications using inbuilt system settings ATM...
I guess your gentouch is different than mine, then. I was using it outside today in 82 degree sunny sky today and it never felt unbearably hot. Yeah, it heats up like every other tablet-like device that size. The ipad's been having heating issue, too, you know.

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I wonder... is there anything wrong with adding a few holes of our own? It's just plastic casing.