View Full Version : Dell Streak: $300 w/contract, $550 w/o contract


kjk
07-27-2010, 03:11 PM
http://gizmodo.com/5597791/dell-streak-priced-299-with-contract-549-without

2 year contract, and looks like AT&T is their partner on this.

Maggie Leung
07-27-2010, 03:23 PM
I was ready to order this, but have been reading fan forums and grown wary. Dell has botched this launch, which has tipped me into holding off and considering alternatives.

kjk
07-27-2010, 03:40 PM
It's free in the U.K. with a data plan!
http://www.o2.co.uk/dellstreak

Maggie Leung
07-27-2010, 03:49 PM
Double post.

Maggie Leung
07-27-2010, 03:50 PM
It's free in the U.K. with a data plan!
http://www.o2.co.uk/dellstreak

Yes, I read that, too. Part of Dell botching the U.S. launch, IMO. I'm not willing to buy the identical device at markup.

kjk
07-27-2010, 04:15 PM
Dell pulled their page with pricing-maybe it's a mistake.

Maggie Leung
07-27-2010, 04:18 PM
Dell pulled their page with pricing-maybe it's a mistake.

Yeah, the fan forums are in uproar, lol. I'm not in a hurry. I will wait and compare. I don't trust Dell at this point. Seems incompetent.

kjk
07-27-2010, 04:33 PM
One thing that I'm curious about (and not just the Streak, but other Android devices)..why ship with outdated versions of Android? I understand it will get Froyo (2.2) eventually, but why not 2.1, which is out now, and looks pretty great?

Maggie Leung
07-27-2010, 04:45 PM
One thing that I'm curious about (and not just the Streak, but other Android devices)..why ship with outdated versions of Android? I understand it will get Froyo (2.2) eventually, but why not 2.1, which is out now, and looks pretty great?

As I understand it, the Streak version is skinned, for user-friendliness. I guess as long as they skin a version, there will be lag time.

AnemicOak
07-27-2010, 04:56 PM
One thing that I'm curious about (and not just the Streak, but other Android devices)..why ship with outdated versions of Android? I understand it will get Froyo (2.2) eventually, but why not 2.1, which is out now, and looks pretty great?

Maybe Google puts out new versions to fast for them to keep up?

I mean we've had 5 versions in a year and a half...
1.1 launched in Feb. '09
1.5 (doughnut) in April '09
1.6 (cupcake) in Sept. '09
2.0/2.1 (eclair) in Oct. '09
2.2 (froyo) in May '10
3.0 (gingerbread) in Q4 2010?




I know my Hero just finally got 2.1 (released by Google in October '09) in May, but now Sprint and HTC have said no 2.2 for the Hero. The phone's not even been out a year (launched Oct. '09) and they're still selling them, but apparently can't be bothered to give it an update that sounds like it would be especially good for devices with slower processors. I'm kinda miffed. :angry:

kjk
07-27-2010, 05:00 PM
As I understand it, the Streak version is skinned, for user-friendliness. I guess as long as they skin a version, there will be lag time.

Not sure if I want Dell being the one to skin my phone for user-friendliness :p


Maybe Google puts out new versions to fast for them to keep up?

I mean we've had 5 versions in a year and a half...
1.1 launched in Feb. '09
1.5 (doughnut) in April '09
1.6 (cupcake) in Sept. '09
2.0/2.1 (eclair) in Oct. '09
2.2 (froyo) in May '10
3.0 (gingerbread) in Q4 2010?

I know my Hero just finally got 2.1 (released by Google in October '09) in May, but now Sprint and HTC have said no 2.2 for the Hero. The phone's not even been out a year (launched Oct. '09) and they're still selling them, but apparently can't be bothered to give it an update that sounds like it would be especially good for devices with slower processors. I'm kinda miffed. :angry:

Can you just upload/install a vanilla version of 2.2 by yourself, or do you need the Sprint specific stuff?

Maggie Leung
07-27-2010, 05:02 PM
Maybe Google puts out new versions to fast for them to keep up?

I mean we've had 5 versions in a year and a half...
1.1 launched in Feb. '09
1.5 (doughnut) in April '09
1.6 (cupcake) in Sept. '09
2.0/2.1 (eclair) in Oct. '09
2.2 (froyo) in May '10
3.0 (gingerbread) in Q4 2010?




I know my Hero just finally got 2.1 (released by Google in October '09) in May, but now Sprint and HTC have said no 2.2 for the Hero. The phone's not even been out a year (launched Oct. '09) and they're still selling them, but apparently can't be bothered to give it an update that sounds like it would be especially good for devices with slower processors. I'm kinda miffed. :angry:


Good to know as I consider a new phone.

Maggie Leung
07-27-2010, 05:08 PM
Not sure if I want Dell being the one to skin my phone for user-friendliness :p




Exactly, lol. I don't need the latest and greatest, but I also don't wanna rely on Dell to update to Froyo (as promised) and beyond, when they can't even manage to deliver the Streak in the States without fumbling it. They've been selling the identical phone in the U.K., yet they've been unreliable about pricing, carrier and such for months in the U.S. What the crap? And they're just getting into the cell phone market, and they already took a PR bath with that recent computer debacle. I'm willing to chance some, but they just look too unreliable now. Maybe they'll shape up, but maybe I won't want their phone by then.

HansTWN
07-27-2010, 08:18 PM
It is disappointing, the way they handled this. But that is not a reflection on the phone, just on their marketing. Their skinned 1.6 seems to be pretty good, the only thing I would be missing is Flash. I am sure they will be delivering on 2.2 though, they have the 7" and 10" tablets coming up. People will be watching.

I am in no hurry, and unfortunately I don't see any other 5" phone coming up. That Motorola Droid X does look interesting (though they have no GSM version yet). However, the way Motorola is locking things down I won't be buying it. So -- where are the alternatives?

Maggie Leung
07-27-2010, 08:59 PM
Agreed that hardware quality isn't directly related to launch ineptness. I've also been seeing hardware / firmware complaints from existing Streak users on a fan forum, though. There haven't been loads of them, and the hardware complaints (involving the attachment of Gorilla glass and such) might turn out to be minor. That type of thing, added to all else that Dell has blundered and to its lack of cell-phone track record, makes me want to hold off. If you do get one, I'd be very interested in hearing what you think.

For a tech bonehead like me, Dell ruining the Streak's launch is not promising, because I'd need them to continue supporting the device, more than techies who could go it alone.

HansTWN
07-27-2010, 09:18 PM
You are definitely right to hold off in your situation. Maggie. Best to wait a few months and see how things develop, how actual US users feel. And lot of new phones will be coming out in the next few months.

I am not really discouraged by the user comments because most of them are in frustration over the delay of the US launch, no Android 2.2 yet, etc. Most actual users have been extremely positive, and those were the ones who liked the Streak for what is important to me -- the screen.

Maggie Leung
07-27-2010, 09:38 PM
Yes, lots of griping about the delays, no 2.2 and no T-Mobile, which seemed like a delusional expectation anyway, lol. Dell seems to have pissed off a number of eager U.S. fans, which makes me wanna wait to see sales results. The screen size is the big draw for me, but I'm not sure how popular it will be. If it doesn't sell enough, less likely Dell will continue to support it. Sucks that there's no real alternative for that size screen.

kjk
08-10-2010, 04:13 PM
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/dell-streak-on-sale-august-13-for-300-on-atandt-contract-550-wi/

August 13th..that's Friday!

HansTWN
08-10-2010, 09:46 PM
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/10/dell-streak-on-sale-august-13-for-300-on-atandt-contract-550-wi/

August 13th..that's Friday!

550 sounds like a good price for such a versatile high-end phone --- but apparently it is still locked!! :eek: That would be a deal breaker for me.

Maggie Leung
08-11-2010, 12:27 AM
550 sounds like a good price for such a versatile high-end phone --- but apparently it is still locked!! :eek: That would be a deal breaker for me.

Why would someone pay $550 if it's locked? Just to use it without the phone function? Otherwise, why not get the subsidized one?

I guess I'll skip it. I want a phone I can use overseas, too, with local SIM cards. I'm going abroad for months. I guess I'll buy an unlocked non-Dell when I land.

mgmueller
09-19-2010, 09:13 AM
Got mine a few days ago, if someone's interested in some details...
In brief: Nothing special, neither Android (which I only knew from nook and Alex) nor the Streak itself. I suddenly realize the simplicity/genius of Apple's IOS...

Maggie Leung
09-19-2010, 10:09 AM
Got mine a few days ago, if someone's interested in some details...
In brief: Nothing special, neither Android (which I only knew from nook and Alex) nor the Streak itself. I suddenly realize the simplicity/genius of Apple's IOS...

Cool. I want as much detail as you're willing to share. I'm not able to buy one where I am now (unless gray marketed), but I'd seriously consider one on return to the U.S.

I'm interested specifically in Streak vs. iPhone / iPad. I bought an unlocked iPhone 4, so I could use it overseas by just changing SIM cards, but I figured I could easily sell it on return to the U.S. if I chose, because all U.S. ones are sold locked.

mgmueller
09-19-2010, 11:28 AM
Cool. I want as much detail as you're willing to share. I'm not able to buy one where I am now (unless gray marketed), but I'd seriously consider one on return to the U.S.

I'm interested specifically in Streak vs. iPhone / iPad. I bought an unlocked iPhone 4, so I could use it overseas by just changing SIM cards, but I figured I could easily sell it on return to the U.S. if I chose, because all U.S. ones are sold locked.

I can compare to iPhone4 and iPad.

Design/form factor: Streak doesn't look or feel cheap. But it can't measure up to iPhone4 or iPad. The bigger display has some advantages over iPhone4 and it still fits in your pocket/purse. I've got Android 1.6 (O2 in UK did roll out 2.1 already, but I didn't bother yet), which might be an explanation for the sometimes sluggish UI.

Apps: Android may be a rising star. But in any instance I find it way harder to get apps. Be it navigation software, hotel booking, reader apps or games. I'm already not too fond of the quality of many iPhone apps (very often it's pretty obvious it's from a "one man show"), but Android sometimes even is behind that quality level.
I found a phantastic feature though: Uninstall and refund. Bought a navigation app for $ 99 (!!), which didn't work. Got my refund instantly.

Display quality: iPhone4's retina display is more impressive. But Streak is absolutely okay, no complaints.

Build quality: Even though I'm an Apple sceptic (I hate my Mac mini and my iMac isn't that impressive either), I have to say: They know how to build their gadgets. In direct comparison to iPhone4, Streak seems to be 2 quality levels below. There's no actual fault with it. But its housing is plastic and everything just feels and looks a bit cheaper and less "stylish".

Reader experience: For whatever reason, I can't get the nook app. So I'm just using the Kindle app and Aldiko for now. Experience is what you'd expect: The bigger screen tops iPhone4, although I'm fine with the amount of information on iPhone4's display.

Camera: I haven't done any "benchmarks". I've been surprised by the picture quality of iPhone4. Streak even seems to top that a bit. Focus on Streak is quite impressive. Didn't test the geotagging on Streak yet, which is great on iPhone4 (love the combination with faces and places in iPhoto).

Conclusion:
Maybe the 7" or 9" models of Streak make more sense. But for the 5" I have to say, it's "neither fish nor meat" (as we say in Germany). No way it can compete with iPad of course. It's mobile enough to compete with iPhone4. But given the higher resolution of iPhone4 and (slightly) better retina display, I don't see any significant advantage over iPhone4.
The open Android platform theoretically would be of advantage. But so far, I've found way more iTunes apps than Android apps for my needs.
I'm eagerly waiting for the Android 2.2 update and even thought about flashing the UK O2 update to 2.1. But with the existing Android 1.6, iPhone4 beats Dell streak. Not by miles, but not by millimeters either...

Maggie Leung
09-20-2010, 02:43 AM
Thanks for the info, mgmueller. That's all helpful to know.

I'll pass if that's the case. The combo of iPhone 4 and iPad works fine for me now, and it sounds like I'd be trading my annoyances with the iCombo for another set of annoyances with a Streak. I guess I'll stick with what I have and wait till something significantly better comes along.

I'm rooting for lots of advances in Android gear, firmware and apps. I just want stuff that works without muss, and I'd like to have more to choose from than Apple.

mgmueller
09-20-2010, 05:59 AM
Thanks for the info, mgmueller. That's all helpful to know.

I'll pass if that's the case. The combo of iPhone 4 and iPad works fine for me now, and it sounds like I'd be trading my annoyances with the iCombo for another set of annoyances with a Streak. I guess I'll stick with what I have and wait till something significantly better comes along.

I'm rooting for lots of advances in Android gear, firmware and apps. I just want stuff that works without muss, and I'd like to have more to choose from than Apple.

I agree. I'm checking out the alternatives to Apple as well.
I guess, Streak might be an alternative for my business phone. But not (yet) for my gadgets...

tubemonkey
09-20-2010, 11:34 AM
A 5" phone is too big. A WiFi version should be marketed for around $300.

mgmueller
09-21-2010, 11:34 AM
A 5" phone is too big. A WiFi version should be marketed for around $300.

I don't think, a WiFi only version would make much sense.
Streak obviously is targeting the "mobility" market.
On the road, 3G totally makes sense.
To me, WiFi only would have been a showstopper.

And I don't think, they could get close to the $ 300 mark.
Of course, as a phone with respective contract this probably wouldn't be a problem.
But as an unlocked, standalone unit, it probably has way too many features for such price point.
If I consider it a "smaller iPad", € 600 may be a bit overpriced. But $ 300 would be way too low. And of course, iPad/Apple does have additional revenue stream via apps, movies, TV shows, ... whereas Streak links to the Android repository...
What's the price for an unlocked iPhone4? I've heard, it's $ 900? If so, the € 600 of Streak are no problem at all.
Personally, I don't mind the price (actually, I'd happily pay a premium for quality products instead of permanently seeing cheaper products with no use for me because of the low quality). But I don't see the niche for Streak yet. And I even don't see any smartphone being able to compete with Apple's winning combination with iTunes. Apple easily could reduce prices for their units, given the billions of additional revenues. Android of course does have a similar concept. For Google it definitely is a rapidly growing business. But it's not of much use (revenue) for the hardware manufacturers like Dell.

BTW: Does Dell get a revenue share from Google for any apps, purchased in the Android store? I guess not, I'm not sure whether the Android store actually even tracks the manufacturer or just the Android version...

petermillard
09-21-2010, 12:47 PM
What's the price for an unlocked iPhone4? I've heard, it's $ 900? If so, the 600 of Streak are no problem at all.

Unlocked iPhone4 from Apple is 499 ($775) here in the UK, whereas 'no contract' (but still locked to O2 :smack:) Dell Streak is 399 ($620).

I don't see a niche for the Streak either - and perhaps nobody else does, hence the less than stellar sales (UK sales quoted as "modest and immaterial" - here (http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9HHEGNG3.htm)). Is it a phone or a tablet? TabletPhone? PhonePad? <shrug>

Pete

tubemonkey
09-21-2010, 05:31 PM
I don't think, a WiFi only version would make much sense.

Why not? Apple does it and they call their 3.5" WiFi 32GB tablet the iPod touch.

And I don't think, they could get close to the $ 300 mark.

Again, why not? Apple does it and they sell their 3.5" WiFi 32GB tablet for $300.

Remember, the 32GB iPhone 4 costs Apple about $215 to manufacture. The iPod touch is even less, since it has cheaper and fewer features.

So if Apple can do it, then so can the rest.

tubemonkey
09-21-2010, 06:36 PM
There's a lucrative market for pocket-sized WiFi tablets pretty much being ignored by Android. Since its introduction 3 years ago, the iPod touch is approaching 50 million devices sold and who knows how many apps.

Doesn't Android want a share of that market?

mgmueller
09-21-2010, 08:11 PM
"So if Apple can do it, then so can the rest."
Apple could sell their gadgets without any margin at all. And still would be highly profitable via iTunes. Dell doesn't have that additional cashflow.

mgmueller
09-21-2010, 08:13 PM
There's a lucrative market for pocket-sized WiFi tablets pretty much being ignored by Android. Since its introduction 3 years ago, the iPod touch is approaching 50 million devices sold and who knows how many apps.

Doesn't Android want a share of that market?

But than Android's multimedia capabilities have to increase manifold.
And: Why are iPod touch and iPhone successful? iTunes certainly has a major impact on that. Being able to purchase apps, movies, TV shows and now even eBooks through a single platform certainly is a stroke of genius.

HansTWN
09-21-2010, 09:12 PM
Unlocked iPhone4 from Apple is 499 ($775) here in the UK, whereas 'no contract' (but still locked to O2 :smack:) Dell Streak is 399 ($620).

I don't see a niche for the Streak either - and perhaps nobody else does, hence the less than stellar sales (UK sales quoted as "modest and immaterial" - here (http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9HHEGNG3.htm)). Is it a phone or a tablet? TabletPhone? PhonePad? <shrug>

Pete

Actually the Streak is the absolute perfect size for a phone. The maximum screen size that still comfortably fits in my pants' front pocket. And when you browse and read -- the difference to those miniature 3.5 inchers is just amazing. Almost double the screen real estate! No scrolling around or zooming in and out all the time. It is just that Dell stinks at marketing such products. Once people see the screen side by side with other phones the "oh it's too big" comments quickly disappear.

Actually Android syncs quite well with Itunes.

The streak is selling quite well, as you can tell from the lively accessories after market.

tubemonkey
09-21-2010, 10:47 PM
But than Android's multimedia capabilities have to increase manifold.
And: Why are iPod touch and iPhone successful? iTunes certainly has a major impact on that. Being able to purchase apps, movies, TV shows and now even eBooks through a single platform certainly is a stroke of genius.

There's nothing stopping Google from doing the same thing.

mgmueller
09-21-2010, 10:51 PM
There's nothing stopping Google from doing the same thing.

Yes. But that's of no use for Dell and other manufacturers.
Apple is designing the hardware AND delivering the platform. It's the combination -all from a single source- that separates them from the others.
Google will (already does) have their revenue. But Dell only has a single source of revenue stream...

tubemonkey
09-21-2010, 10:54 PM
Apple could sell their gadgets without any margin at all. And still would be highly profitable via iTunes. Dell doesn't have that additional cashflow.

Then they're gonna lose.

I want a quality 7" Android tablet (16GB min), but there's no way I'm going to pay more than $400 for it. If push comes to shove, I'll get a new netbook for $250.

tubemonkey
09-21-2010, 11:07 PM
Yes. But that's of no use for Dell and other manufacturers.
Apple is designing the hardware AND delivering the platform. It's the combination -all from a single source- that separates them from the others.
Google will (already does) have their revenue. But Dell only has a single source of revenue stream...

That's too bad. But if they can't compete at Apple's level, then they need to quit now; because they won't be successful.

Maybe it's time for Google to jump back in and contract with HTC to make tablets (4", 7", 10") for them. Then Google can open up stores to sell them in.

mgmueller
09-22-2010, 12:37 AM
That's too bad. But if they can't compete at Apple's level, then they need to quit now; because they won't be successful.

Maybe it's time for Google to jump back in and contract with HTC to make tablets (4", 7", 10") for them. Then Google can open up stores to sell them in.

I guess this all comes down to mindset.
Apple originally has been a manufacturer - and that's still an integral part of their business. They want to sell (and build) iPads and iPhones. And iTunes is a nice vehicle to do so.
Google originally has been a software company. I don't think, there's real enthusiasm (yet) in selling hardware (with way lower margins)...
In my opinion, there's a single advantage for Google: Their Android OS can run on various OEMs. If one doesn't like manufacturer A, he still can opt for B or C.
With Apple...you either love or hate them...
If Google plays that card right and finds the right 2 or 3 partners, they'll be extremely tough competition for Apple.
I don't see a single manufacturer being able to compete with Apple for now. Nokia for example is losing ground, they've simply rested too long on their former successes. My personal guess: Without strategic partnerships, Nokia will be history in 5 years. This won't happen to Google of course...

mgmueller
09-22-2010, 12:43 AM
Remember, the 32GB iPhone 4 costs Apple about $215 to manufacture. The iPod touch is even less, since it has cheaper and fewer features.

So if Apple can do it, then so can the rest.

BTW: I'm always sceptic about such figures. $ 215 may be the manufacturing costs. But do they include R&D? If I compare Apple to my employer, their R&D spent should be in the range of $ 4 billion (!!) per year. Spread this over their number of units.
And their overhead costs (sales, administration, marketing, ...) will be in the range of 15% to 20%. And taxes. And...
Hardware manufacturers usually need Gross Margins in the range of 40% to 50%, to end up with about 5% EBIT.

mgmueller
09-22-2010, 12:46 AM
Then they're gonna lose.

I have no idea of Dell's over all strategy of course.
But I guess, their idea is not (in short terms) competing with Apple's figures.
For them it probably is just a nice add-on to their stagnating core business.
Probably Apple started the same with the first iPod. Back then, probably no one would have imagined that Apple from "close to chapter 11" would rise to such figures as today...

tubemonkey
09-22-2010, 08:08 AM
BTW: I'm always sceptic about such figures. $ 215 may be the manufacturing costs. But do they include R&D?

Of course not. The point is, if Apple sells an unsubsidized iPhone for $700 ($215 manufacturing cost) and an iPod touch $300 (~$200 manufacturing cost); then Android makers need to do the same to remain competitive.

Take the 16GB WiFi iPad, Apple's cost to make is $230. They sell it for $500. The 3G versions (with no mandated contracts) cost an additional $28 to make ($258) and sell for an additional $130 ($630).

This is what Android makers are up against. If they can't compete price wise in this arena, then they need to quit now. I guarantee I won't be buying Android if they can't get their act together. The only thing a tablet has going for it over a netbook is portability (lighter weight, smaller size). Otherwise, a netbook has better specs and will do more.

If my choice is a crippled iPad (no expansion ports, no expandable memory, sealed battery) or an overpriced Android; then I'll continue using a netbook. For $250, it's a no brainer.

kennyc
09-23-2010, 06:27 AM
Of course not. The point is, if Apple sells an unsubsidized iPhone for $700 ($215 manufacturing cost) and an iPod touch $300 (~$200 manufacturing cost); then Android makers need to do the same to remain competitive.

Take the 16GB WiFi iPad, Apple's cost to make is $230. They sell it for $500. The 3G versions (with no mandated contracts) cost an additional $28 to make ($258) and sell for an additional $130 ($630).

This is what Android makers are up against. If they can't compete price wise in this arena, then they need to quit now. I guarantee I won't be buying Android if they can't get their act together. The only thing a tablet has going for it over a netbook is portability (lighter weight, smaller size). Otherwise, a netbook has better specs and will do more.

If my choice is a crippled iPad (no expansion ports, no expandable memory, sealed battery) or an overpriced Android; then I'll continue using a netbook. For $250, it's a no brainer.

Except that it's not all just about hardware. It's the apps, they customer responsiveness and satisfaction, network coverage/reliability, the development community, availability, etc.

tubemonkey
09-23-2010, 07:46 AM
Except that it's not all just about hardware. It's the apps, they customer responsiveness and satisfaction, network coverage/reliability, the development community, availability, etc.

Then why do they bother? If they can't sell at Apple's prices or below, then they'll fail. Price is almost everything for most people when it comes to consumer goods.

kennyc
09-23-2010, 10:21 AM
That's exactly my point, it's not all about the hardware/hardware price. It's about features, reliability etc. This is not like selling fruit and veggies.

tubemonkey
09-23-2010, 11:21 AM
That's exactly my point, it's not all about the hardware/hardware price. It's about features, reliability etc.

Since there isn't much difference feature-wise, price becomes the deciding factor.

kennyc
09-23-2010, 12:20 PM
Since there isn't much difference feature-wise, price becomes the deciding factor.

I don't know how else to say it than I have above. It's not just hardware, it's the entire system, features etc. These devices are by no means commodities.

Maggie Leung
09-23-2010, 12:25 PM
Since there isn't much difference feature-wise, price becomes the deciding factor.

I can't speak for others, but I will pay for convenience, reliability and ease of use. I don't care if it's as ugly as crap. For my purposes right now, there's no competition for Apple gadgets. I don't plan to ever buy an Apple PC or laptop, but I've bought two iPads, an iPhone and a Touch in the past few months, because they're so easy to use and all the gadgets are compatible. If you can deliver products that are as convenient AND cheaper, I'll be there. But you have to deliver the whole package, including apps, reliability and ease of use.

tubemonkey
09-23-2010, 12:57 PM
I don't know how else to say it than I have above. It's not just hardware, it's the entire system, features etc. These devices are by no means commodities.

Apple for the win here. Android is amateur hour.

tubemonkey
09-23-2010, 01:13 PM
If you can deliver products that are as convenient AND cheaper, I'll be there. But you have to deliver the whole package, including apps, reliability and ease of use.

Major Android tablet makers are shooting themselves in the head before they even deliver the goods. Tying these tablets to cell carriers with forced contracts and fees is epic fail right out of the gate. Are they insane?

Where are the sub-$500 WiFi only tablets? No way am I going to buy a tablet with a two-year contract and monthly data charges or pay an outrageously over-priced unsubsidized amount to side step the carrier.

Apple has nothing to fear in the tablet market. They clearly control it for the foreseeable future. Looks like I'm stuck with my netbook.

kennyc
09-23-2010, 01:50 PM
Apple for the win here. Android is amateur hour.

I figured that was you opinion/perspective. Time will tell.

tubemonkey
09-23-2010, 01:59 PM
I figured that was you opinion/perspective. Time will tell.

The kicker is, I don't much like Apple and constantly criticize them.

HansTWN
09-23-2010, 09:00 PM
The Streak is a phone that does almost everything quite well, a swiss army knife. A netbook is a cheap computer that does everything but at 1/3 the speed of my laptop. And, unlike the Streak, I still cannot take it everywhere.

So, if cost is a concern, I don't see a place for either a netbook or a tablet. Both are just slightly more convenient form factors that replicate (and not very well) the functions of a full fledged laptop. Unless you don't own any computer at all and can't afford a decent one, then a netbook does make sense.

HansTWN
09-23-2010, 09:14 PM
Apple for the win here. Android is amateur hour.

Apple is the king of marketing and doing well, but obviously Android will totally trounce them in market share over the next few years due to the large number of choices for different devices. And as Apple gets bigger, it makes sense for the telcos to balance their offerings with other products, or Apple will control them.

Android is a work in progress and always will be, but its functionality and tweakability is so far ahead of IOS that I really don't see a choice. My wife still has an iphone running IOS4, so I know it quite well. If someone is content with what Apple offers, then they will be happy with Apple products. They are simple to use and the walled garden keeps them running reasonably smooth over time. Upgrades are easier. Android offers more, but takes a little more effort.

However, if users want to do more with their devices, then Apple is not even on the menu. A lot of Apple users I encounter actually use very little of their phones' functionality, they just bought it because it is fashionable.

kennyc
09-23-2010, 09:21 PM
[QUOTE=HansTWN;1126696.... A lot of Apple users I encounter actually use very little of their phones' functionality, they just bought it because it is fashionable.[/QUOTE]

and that's a shame. :(

HansTWN
09-23-2010, 10:40 PM
and that's a shame. :(

It is a shame in the US, when you have those all-you-can-eat plans. But actually, those users are generally the happiest!

tubemonkey
09-24-2010, 12:08 AM
Apple is the king of marketing and doing well, but obviously Android will totally trounce them in market share over the next few years due to the large number of choices for different devices. And as Apple gets bigger, it makes sense for the telcos to balance their offerings with other products, or Apple will control them.

For cell phones, yeah. That's an area where Android is doing quite well. It's tablets I'm talking about. That's where they don't know what they're doing.

The problem is this mindset that tablets should be treated like cell phones and require contracts and mandated data plans. Why is that? Telcos need to stay out of the tablet market. They don't belong there.

Tablets should be treated like laptops and sold that way. No contracts and no mandated data plans.

HansTWN
09-24-2010, 03:29 AM
For cell phones, yeah. That's an area where Android is doing quite well. It's tablets I'm talking about. That's where they don't know what they're doing.

The problem is this mindset that tablets should be treated like cell phones and require contracts and mandated data plans. Why is that? Telcos need to stay out of the tablet market. They don't belong there.

Tablets should be treated like laptops and sold that way. No contracts and no mandated data plans.

You are right, and that is a US specific problem. People are too used to monthly payments and seem to just calculate the upfront cost. I have never bought a phone on contract, always SIM free, unlocked. Of course, you have to be willing to pay USD 6-700 for a good phone. Anyway, for me the Streak is still a phone. I put it in the front pocket of my jeans and I hold it up to my ear.

I agree with you, for a big tablet you should wait for Android 3.0. Otherwise, how will the apps look? I personally would go for a Windows 7 tablet, should I ever get one.

Maggie Leung
09-24-2010, 10:59 AM
A lot of Apple users I encounter actually use very little of their phones' functionality, they just bought it because it is fashionable.

I know someone who uses only a few apps on his iPhone (I think it's two generations old), but it does just enough of what he needs. Hard to judge what people find useful and how they "should" value things.

I waited a long time to get a cell phone at all, then didn't keep it on for two years. I didn't even know the phone number. I planned to use it only if my car broke down. Was I getting my money's worth? Well, I thought I was, and that was good enough for me.

Then I waited a long time to get an iPhone and learned how well it suited my lifestyle -- on the go a lot, lots of travel. I ended up using it much more than I ever thought. One thing I love is going on spontaneous trips. With iPhone, I can drive across country and take shorter road trips using apps and Internet the whole way, instead of planning. The iPhone is the best device I've ever bought.

I finally switched from my 3G to a 4, because I need an unlocked one overseas. I'm glad I did. I didn't realize how much more I'd like the screen quality. I wish Apple made one the size of the Streak.

Maggie Leung
09-24-2010, 11:07 AM
The problem is this mindset that tablets should be treated like cell phones and require contracts and mandated data plans. Why is that? Telcos need to stay out of the tablet market. They don't belong there.

Tablets should be treated like laptops and sold that way. No contracts and no mandated data plans.

Totally agree. I'm overseas and paying about 20 bucks USD for unlimited data on iPad, and even less for the same on iPhone. I opted for no contract, or I'd pay even less. All phones are sold unlocked here. Competition is good.

mgmueller
09-26-2010, 12:56 PM
Had to see myself.
Descriptions in various forums are correct: With Android 1.6, Streak is "okay" at best. With 2.1 it significantly improves in all matters:
UI, speed, ease of use, ...
With the right OS, the screen size is quite interesting. I've got it in my jacket all the time, almost as mobile as iPhone. But of course it's way more fun to read on the bigger screen. Serious competition to my PocketBook 360 or Cybook Opus...
And I'll check out Samsung Galaxy as well. From 5" over 7" to iPads 9" it's all covered then...
As much as I enjoy my dedicated readers: Multi-purpose units, at least while traveling, simply are more convenient.

HansTWN
09-26-2010, 09:28 PM
Had to see myself.
Descriptions in various forums are correct: With Android 1.6, Streak is "okay" at best. With 2.1 it significantly improves in all matters:
UI, speed, ease of use, ...
With the right OS, the screen size is quite interesting. I've got it in my jacket all the time, almost as mobile as iPhone. But of course it's way more fun to read on the bigger screen. Serious competition to my PocketBook 360 or Cybook Opus...
And I'll check out Samsung Galaxy as well. From 5" over 7" to iPads 9" it's all covered then...
As much as I enjoy my dedicated readers: Multi-purpose units, at least while traveling, simply are more convenient.

Yes -- and pretty soon we seem to be getting 3rd party 2.2. Which means we get Flash and even more speed. The Streak is looking real good now. I definitely don't regret getting it -- especially since other companies' phones all max out at 4.3" and nothing appears to be in the pipeline. Bringing us the Streak was a bold move by Dell.

Phogg
10-08-2010, 07:03 PM
Since there isn't much difference feature-wise, price becomes the deciding factor.

The features that are different include some non-negotiables.

For me, removable storage and screensize meant the Streak. If you want a dearth of viruses and bugless operation, probably iPhone, the best screen quality - Samsung, if you are a contractor and need a strong radio module - HTC.

So far, no player is best at everything.