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dsf767
07-26-2010, 02:55 PM
Hey Guys,

Saw this reader thought it may interest some of you.

http://www.augenus.com/indexhome.html/GENTOUCH.html

Its supposed to be in stock in Kmart this week on sale at $150

Here is a coupon to get it down to $145

https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/248/47562/14d/ig.rsys4.net/responsysimages/kmart/__RS_CP__/KMC_EAQ_072510.pdf

It looks like its going to be a much better tablet then the Novel. They say it has full market place access with Android 2.1 and no wonky UI.

The Kmart around me is supposed to be getting them in tomorrow.

roebeet
07-26-2010, 02:59 PM
I have called a few KMarts in my area, and they don't have them yet. I'll keep calling this week.

The only bad I see with this versus the Novel is the size - slightly slimmer screen. But, everything else seems superior -- Android Marketplace, 720p video, 2GB internal memory and Android 2.1. Sounds awesome.

toddos
07-27-2010, 08:46 PM
If your KMart doesn't have it, ask them to do a rain check. I did one over the phone and that locked in the sale price and created a special order to ensure a unit is delivered for me, which will be set aside and I'll get something in the (paper) mail letting me know when it's in stock. The guy said it'd probably be 2-3 weeks.

Or you could keep calling and hope you catch them right as the shipment arrives. The guy I talked to in the Seattle area store said they hadn't received anything as of last night, had no idea when they would, and that he had gotten a bunch (10s? 100s?) of calls about the unit already. Based on that, it sounds like demand is high and I felt safer putting in a rain check and waiting 2-3 weeks rather than stalking the store and hoping to get one of the 10 or so units in the shipment before the other hundreds of people who are doing the same beat me to it.

wodin
07-27-2010, 09:10 PM
Being the cynic that I am, I can’t help wondering how much K-Mart paid Engadget for the hype.

I believe I'll wait for a few folks to weigh in on battery life.

Kris777
07-27-2010, 11:15 PM
http://www.the-digital-reader.com/2010/07/27/engadget-got-their-hands-on-augens-crappy-99-android-netbook/

Engadget got their hands on Augen’s crappy $99 Android netbook
July 27, 2010 in hardware news by Nate the great | 4 comments


Normally I wouldn’t start a title in such a negative tone, but I’ve seen this hardware before. Under no circumstances should you consider buying this. If someone offers to give you one, run away as fast as you can because they are obviously insane.

The Augen Gentouch74 has a 400MHz ARM CPU, 128MB of RAM, and runs Android 1.6. FYI: the Android spec requires a 1GHz CPU. Engadget are also seeing te same poor build quality that I experienced.

Run away! Run away!

Lemurion
07-27-2010, 11:39 PM
http://www.the-digital-reader.com/2010/07/27/engadget-got-their-hands-on-augens-crappy-99-android-netbook/

Engadget got their hands on Augenís crappy $99 Android netbook
July 27, 2010 in hardware news by Nate the great | 4 comments


Normally I wouldnít start a title in such a negative tone, but Iíve seen this hardware before. Under no circumstances should you consider buying this. If someone offers to give you one, run away as fast as you can because they are obviously insane.

The Augen Gentouch74 has a 400MHz ARM CPU, 128MB of RAM, and runs Android 1.6. FYI: the Android spec requires a 1GHz CPU. Engadget are also seeing te same poor build quality that I experienced.

Run away! Run away!

I wonder if that's the one they're selling now: since the spec sheet says 256MB RAM and Android 2.1 - not 1.6.

Also - since when does Android need 1GHz? My Moto Droid has a 550MHz CPU, and I've heard nothing about it being below spec. I know 1GHz was rumored as a requirement for 3.0 - but that's not been confirmed.

toddos
07-28-2010, 12:45 AM
That's the netbook, not the tablet.

jgray
07-28-2010, 02:19 AM
As I commented yesterday in the other thread, my local Kmart had 10 and sold them all in one day. I have a rain check for one.

As for how this thing performs, have a look at this Youtube video. From what I see, it seems to perform pretty well for the price.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfha5r6law0

Anxiously awaiting mine...

jgray
07-28-2010, 02:36 AM
It seems that this is the OEM version of the Augen Gentouch:

http://www.androidpads.com/2010/06/01/dawa-d7-android-a-7-inch-tablet-with-android-2-1-for-smaller-budgets/

The battery has me worried a bit. Hopefully the Augen has a larger battery. I'll find out when I get my hands on one.

From the Youtube video, the Augen has no HDMI output, like the OEM version. The Augen does not list GPS or an accelerometer. I hope that was an oversight and they are included. And yes, there are a few buttons on the backside.

From the spec sheet for the CPU, there are quite a few peripherals built in. It may be possible to hack the Augen to add some missing features.

One more thing. The OEM version has a listed CPU speed of 600MHz. The Augen lists 800MHZ. The CPU spec sheet claims a maximum speed of 800MHz, with the CPU running at 1.5VDC. Only time will tell what the true speed of the Augen is.

jgray
07-28-2010, 02:49 AM
Go to this Wikipedia link and scroll down to the ARMv6KZ entry in the left column. In the right column, look at what devices use this class of ARM CPU. Seems that the Augen CPU is no slouch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#ARM_cores

The other encouraging thing is that the Telechips TCC8900 has integrated video acceleration and is designed for use in video devices.

The CPU even has an embedded SATA interface. Anyone want to try bolting a 1TB SATA hard drive onto an Augen Gentouch? :)

jgray
07-28-2010, 03:23 AM
I found more info over at Slate Droid.

According to someone who talked to an Augen rep, the Gentouch has a G-sensor for switching between portrait and landscape. I'm not sure how a G-sensor is different from an accelerometer. The other good news is that the Gentouch is supposed to have a 2100mAh battery, as opposed to 1500mAh for the OEM unit. The Augen rep quoted 2-3 hours of video playing time. We'll see how this translates to reading or web surfing time.

jgray
07-28-2010, 03:39 AM
It's just amazing what information you can find on the net. Here is a link to another tablet with very similar specs to the Gentouch. This other tablet does have a different case and a few more features built in, but the basic specs look identical to the Gentouch.

http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs/327263918-MID-7inch-with-android-2-1system-tablet-PC-telechip-CPU-wholesalers.html

I also found a Youtube video of this other tablet. For what is demoed in the video, the Gentouch should perform the same. I'm not a gamer, but I'm impressed with the video performance on this little tablet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dy9_ImhJ28

cutterjohn42
07-28-2010, 05:19 PM
It's been discovered to only have a 600MHz 8902, not the advertised 800MHz. (Multiple references on slatedroid.)

No HDMI port, and no way that I've seen anyone of getting it into portrait mode so it either has no positional sensor or it's disabled ATM.

Another user @ slatedroid is reporting no luck with the market as in his apps won't download.

It's the Dawa D7.

I'm still waiting to see more info, but hopefully a Kmart around here won't have it so I can pick up a raincheck just in case...

Speed looks OK to me from the MrJn7 videos, and from what I've read elsewhere it's mostly the people w/recent Android phones and iPhones who have problems with speed/responsiveness while people with older Android/3g iPhones seem to think that it's not sluggish at all.

Yep, no HDMI port.

Just waiting to see some more hands on reviews as it might still be in the running, esp. if it can be overclocked some... that 2100mAh battery is a bit worrisome though, according to augenus 2-3h video, 5h standy... not very good at all...

jgray
07-28-2010, 11:41 PM
I just saw this at the Augen site: http://augenus.com/indexhome.html/News.html

In response to some of the issues raised by those few who actually have a Gentouch78, Augen will be issuing a software update to patch at least some of the reported problems. Also, a new set of earbuds with the proper 2.5mm plug will be sent to those buyers who ask. I don't know about others, but I find this type of quick response impressive.

I emailed Augen to ask about the screen rotation issue, which is not mentioned in the patch news. I also asked about when we can expect an upgrade to Android 2.2, which is supposed to be much faster than 2.1.

Still waiting for my local Kmart to get stock...

jgray
07-28-2010, 11:58 PM
It's been discovered to only have a 600MHz 8902, not the advertised 800MHz. (Multiple references on slatedroid.)

Yes, I saw that. I also saw some discussion about whether the program used to report that speed was simply reading a number stored in the system, or if it was actually testing the speed. It will be interesting to find out which. Still, the speed I saw in the videos looks good for the price.

No HDMI port, and no way that I've seen anyone of getting it into portrait mode so it either has no positional sensor or it's disabled ATM.

It may be of use to others, but I'm not sure what I'd do with an HDMI port on a small, handheld tablet. The OEM unit does have HDMI, so maybe it can be added by those who want it.

Another user @ slatedroid is reporting no luck with the market as in his apps won't download.

Supposed to be fixed soon.

It's the Dawa D7.

Yeah, I provided a link above.

Speed looks OK to me from the MrJn7 videos, and from what I've read elsewhere it's mostly the people w/recent Android phones and iPhones who have problems with speed/responsiveness while people with older Android/3g iPhones seem to think that it's not sluggish at all.

The Wikipedia link I provided earlier shows that the Gentouch uses a similar ARM 11 CPU to the previous generation iPhones and other devices. Thus, the speed comparison doesn't surprise me. It certainly seems faster than the Nokia N800 I used to have.

Just waiting to see some more hands on reviews as it might still be in the running, esp. if it can be overclocked some... that 2100mAh battery is a bit worrisome though, according to augenus 2-3h video, 5h standy... not very good at all...

Yes, the hackability of this interests me as well. As I also mentioned, the battery life is definitely a big question. Other than the halfway decent specs and the low price, what really puts the icing on the cake is that I can get this locally (eventually) and I have 90 days to decide if I want to keep it.

Lastblade
07-29-2010, 04:45 PM
F Kmart.

The 2 Kmarts in Manhattan are "non-circular" stores, so they don't honor advertised price or do rainchecks. It is like they don't want my business.

VentureForth
08-04-2010, 12:32 PM
These guys have too few employees and are putting out too much crap to support properly. NONE of their products have had rave reviews. ALL have had significant issues. The two most promising products include The Book and the GenTouch 78. They should focus ALL their resources on these two products. The hardware is there (albeit cheap) - they just need some proper software engineering to be very viable and successful products. Get the bugs and quirkiness fixed, and they will be extremely successful with just these two items.

Steven Lake
08-04-2010, 11:14 PM
The Augen, as an android device, is interesting. However, I'm patiently waiting for Astak's new 7" MID. If their MID is half as good as their ereaders, then I'm gonna score a gem. :D

cutterjohn42
08-17-2010, 05:09 PM
I've had one of these since Saturday, Augen calibrate update, rooted, Clockwork, setcpu(min 126MHz/max 600MHz left on OnDemand), marketfixed and clockwork update.zip fix(perma fixes market, redoes root, and adss nexus one startup anim. (Raincheck from 7/29) MUCH snappier than the base fw w/above. (We're pretty sure that it's a Dawa D7 or cost-reduced variant.)

It's not bad, I seem to get about 3h or so of WiFi operation after doing all the mods/hacks to it. Probably 4.5 - 6ish hours w/no WiFi. (These are rough as I've never run it dry since modding/hacking but it's NOTICEABLY better than the default shipped fw.)

It DOES run a bit warm, as in it does eventually get to feel warm on the battery side once you've been going through several web pages.

Brightness controls don't work properly, only slightly modified brightness i.e. not the range that you would expect.

No hw volume control, or any virtual vol. control buttons yet.

Only have really tried iReader as a reader app on it so far as I've been reading text files and most of the other apps mainly seem to support EPUB, FB2, etc. but not text.

Played a few videos w/the YouTube app. They actually play better than on my nb w/a 4850 mobility! (at least under Ubuntu 10.04, might be close v. Windows, but I'd still give the edge to the Gentouch)

Doesn't seem to truly suspend either, so I have it power down when not using it for a while. Boots fairly quickly, but I've never timed it exactly. Definitely WAY faster to useable than my Sony PRS-505 is from a cold start, but not as fast as my nb booting either Vista or Ubuntu 10.04.

CPU clock speed is still stuck @ 600MHz. This requires a new kernel compile to "fix".

Touchscreen is MUCH better after the calibrate update and then running the calibration app.

Battery seems to be soldered(by leads) direct to mb, bad IMNHO as I GREATLY prefer easily user-replaceable batteries and look in askance at companies who do not design for this.

Accelerometer ("g sensor") does NOT function, but various Android system info apps DO list it as present.

OpenGL ES is apparently being reported as 0.0 instead of 2.0 as the datasheet indicates that the TCC8902n + mali(GPU) can support.

Nook, Kindle, FBreader, Aldiko, etc. all work.

Browsing with the builtin in browser is decent, but I'm having a hard time going back to the window oriented approach v. tabs like I have on my desktop although I guess it's understandable for a machine with limited resources.

Skyfire and Dolphin browsers also are reported to work, but I haven't tried them myself yet.

Android market works, but google maps won't update ATM. (Apparently a problem that crops up from time to time with various Android devices and releases...)

User reported a problem with last.fm caching, haven't verified this myself yet. Another reported Pandora radio working, apparently good enough for his wife.

Apparently all units have the same MAC address assigned to the wireless card. Reports of a second batch(box w/o Android Market support claim) apparently have a different MAC address. Not sure if they're all unique now or just different from the earlier batch. (Mine must be the original batch as the box still mentions Android market support... and well.. I made it be supported... :D )

Note on batt runtime: Apparently some of the units have been shipped w/2100mAh batts while others came w/1500mAh batts. Not sure which is in mine as I may still end up returning it IF Augen is not able to provide better support(we're still waiting on a more complete fw update and so far they have pushed it back once, now scheduled for 8/20, likely with no accelerometer fix or CPU max frequency unlocking).

i.e. it's not bad, but w/o better Augen(Dawa?) support and/or source code so that we can fix things ourselves I can't really recommend it for most users. (Probably could pry the kernel patches out of Telechips(and hope that the Dawa changes are close enough) and then try to build a generic android build would be OK but alot of work/debugging. Already seems to be pretty much base Android 2.1-update1 anyways given what i see in the emulator(SDK) and what the base GT fw looked like minus extra apps are very close.

Didn't use the extra apps as shipped with base fw much and forgot to manually back them up before doing the market update(you blow away all the extra apps as part of that), but I have a clockwork nandroid backup from right after I rooted and added clockwork to the base fw so I still have the apps in an .img file. Just need to figure out how to unpack it, and see if any of the apps were really worth having as extras.

(I've been mainly using the default browser, iReader, and xda-developers app, plus toying around with maps...)

If it goes back I expect to order a Witstech A81-E w/GPS or variant either from mp4nation or merrimobiles or most likely JTshop(free extra battery w/them) as their Android 2.2(froyo) is looking to be shaping up well(flash is alpha, but youtube plays well, other things slow -- from videos), GPS support in the 8/9 ROM, and they're working on adding bluetooth drivers. (This device has no camera(GT doesn't either) or accelerometer(non-functional on GT)).

So, I suppose if you don't mind hacking and can find one you MIGHT want to try it, after all you can always return it, if it doesn't suit your needs. (My receipt states that I have until 11/12 to return mine, but I'm sure that w/in a week I'll have made a final decision.)

slatedroid forums would be the best place for info on this, but xda-developers forums also has a GT78 dev thread.. 80 some pages with all the hacks, and IIRC a pointer to the wiki with them all collected into one place.... hopefully slatedroid will be back up soon as that's the best GT general discussion forum that I've seen... sadly it also appears to be for the A81-E as well, unless mp4nation takes that over... a possibility since they will be shipping their own re-branded A81-E starting 8/23...

jblitereader
08-18-2010, 09:14 PM
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VentureForth
08-20-2010, 01:04 PM
And now my Kmart doesn't have any in stock. After I returned mine. :(

jblitereader
08-20-2010, 06:37 PM
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Gentouch
08-30-2010, 04:20 AM
Seems that they are having another go at the whole thing. After the more or lss botched Augen Gentouch (http://www.augengentouch.com/) they are cooking up (brewing?) a multi touch device called espresso. Although coming out in 2011 it needs to be VERY aggressively priced.

http://www.augengentouch.com/new-gentouch-espresso-line-with-capacitive-multi-touch-screen-coming-soon/

jblitereader
08-31-2010, 12:40 PM
I agree. I'm just weary of what they mean by "aggressively priced".

anabolina
07-01-2011, 01:50 AM
Does anyone still have this device? My brother didn't ask my advice before buying one a couple of months ago. He hasn't really used it since it's not a particularly, umm, user-friendly device. Still, he was commenting the other day that he wants to read ebooks on it and since I have some drm-free ebooks I know he'd like, I spent tonight trying to load books, aldiko, and the droid comic viewer on it.(he works nights so it's to be a surprise for him in the morning since I was short with him for eating all the peanut butter when he didn't).

The apps were in the messed up market on this thing, but the file explorer will not see the books I load onto it via usb. I restarted it multiple times and tried putting the folder in different places on the sd card. Grrrr, this is the 4th android device I've worked with and its by far the most frustrating. Right now, I'm emailing zipped folders of ebooks to my gmail and downloading them on the device. I'm sure there's some step I missing. Surely there can't be a modern device that works so poorly with the sd card, right?

cutterjohn42
07-03-2011, 03:50 PM
Does anyone still have this device? My brother didn't ask my advice before buying one a couple of months ago. He hasn't really used it since it's not a particularly, umm, user-friendly device. Still, he was commenting the other day that he wants to read ebooks on it and since I have some drm-free ebooks I know he'd like, I spent tonight trying to load books, aldiko, and the droid comic viewer on it.(he works nights so it's to be a surprise for him in the morning since I was short with him for eating all the peanut butter when he didn't).

The apps were in the messed up market on this thing, but the file explorer will not see the books I load onto it via usb. I restarted it multiple times and tried putting the folder in different places on the sd card. Grrrr, this is the 4th android device I've worked with and its by far the most frustrating. Right now, I'm emailing zipped folders of ebooks to my gmail and downloading them on the device. I'm sure there's some step I missing. Surely there can't be a modern device that works so poorly with the sd card, right?Nope. Mine is LONG gone and so are many others, but you can try looking in the forum on slatedroid.com. This tablet has it's own forum and there were some hacks made for it, including one to get gapps and hence Android market access(partial), but be aware apparently there are at least two hw versions of this and the custom fw are NOT compatible last I read(around January)... just didn't care to bother following it up as I found out accidentally...

Other than hacking, you can go to setting and allow non-market installs if it's not already set and download some ebook readers from sites like freewarelovers, slideme, etc. Probably can even sideload the Amazon app store app on it now as well...