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scottjl 05-04-2010, 02:09 PM Got my kit today. Brief write-up below, when I talk about photos I most likely mean imported photos and video clips.
General observations:
The two little dongles are small and come with an end-cap to protect the 30pin adapter side. No caps for the SD card or USB socket.
Both are white (surprising since the iPad is black), very lightweight. No moving parts. Seem rather sturdy. Will survive being tossed around in a backpack. They have markings on the top with glyphs for the iPad and camera (USB adapter) and card (SD card adapter)
A SD card only fits in one way, face up.
There is no software to load, all functionality is built into the iPad.
Attaching either adapter does not launch any software. You must manually launch the Photos application. You can attach the adapter while Photos is open.
Video playback works fine, the same as video playback on an iPhone. You can also trim video to a selection as well within the Photos app
Importing photos and video:
When you insert a card full of photos and video, or attach a camera via USB, an additional tab in the Photos application appears "Camera".
Thumbnails of all photos and video appear under this tab, they are not titled, they appear to be sorted by file name.
From here you can delete all photos/video, delete selected photos/video, import all photos/video or import selected photos/video. You tap to select individual items, there is no way to select a range in one easy swipe. The thumbnail view scrolls vertically to show you more items.
You can not look at individual photos or watch video, they must be imported to the iPad first.
There is a small progress spinning wheel on each individual photo as it is imported. A green check-mark lets you know an item has successfully imported, a blue check means an item is selected.
After importing you are asked if you wish to keep the items on the card, or remove them from the card.
You can import the same photo twice, it will then appear twice on your iPad.
You can import unsupported video types (video off my RCA EZ209HD) but not view them, just using the iPad as a storage device.
Albums:
After a successful import two new albums appear, "All Imported" and "Last Import"
The "All Imported" album contains every photo and video ever imported.
The "Last Import" album contains only the items from the most recent import.
Neither album can be renamed.
Both albums behave like any other photo album, pinch and stretch to open and collapse. You can scroll through them. Look at individual photos, etc.
There is still no way to copy or move photos between albums.
Events:
A new tab titled "Events" also appears.
Every successful import procedure creates a new Event album with the date of the items taken as the album name. Import some photos, take the card out, put the same card back in, import more photos, you have two events with the same date.
These albums behave like any other photo album, pinch and stretch to open and collapse. You can scroll through them. Look at individual photos, etc.
There is no way to rename these event albums.
Exporting photos:
Imported photos are not managed through iTunes. They don't show up in iTunes, they are not synced by iTunes.
Just as with the iPhone, to copy photos off of your iPad and onto your Mac, you use the Image Capture application. It functions just the same with the iPad as the iPhone.
You can email imported photos or use them in photo editing applications just like any other photo.
Unsupported devices:
An Apple USB keyboard worked fine, so did a Microsoft USB keyboard I had handy.
The iPhone plugs in via USB, works just fine.
A USB Jump Drive (SanDisk) did NOT show up with just files on the drive. It did show up once I created a directory titled "DCIM" and any photos and video I put into that directory showed up in the Photos application for import. Other files did not.
I've tried several video devices successfully, a few Cannon digital cameras, a few Nikon cameras, a 2G and 3GS iPhone. The RCA EZ209HD digital camera did not work via USB as the iPad complained it drained too much power. Its MicroSD card did work fine in an adapter.
Some additional notes, because my iPad is jailbroken I was able to poke around on a command line. The mounted device (SD card, jump drive, iPhone, camera) mounted as /dev/disk1s1 on to /private/var/mnt/mount1. From the command line I am able to see and manipulate all files with standard unix commands.
Photos are stored in the DCIM directory and can be in sub-directories, it appears the iPhone scans all the sub-directories and presents them all for import, it does not create any sub-albums within albums.
Overall, for the $30, a nice set of accessories for the iPad. I could see using this on a vacation to import and review at the end of your day. That you can use additional devices is an supported bonus, which Apple could yank out with any future updates, and jailbreakers can take a lot of advantage of.
If anyone has any questions feel free to post them here, I'll answer as best as I can..
lilman 05-04-2010, 03:45 PM Awesome review, thanks a lot. I've already ordered my camera connection kit and it should arrive by the end of the month. Looking forward to using it as external video storage for trips.
By chance do you have a wd passport drive you can test? I'm guessing the iPad will complain that it drains too much power, but that would be an ideal portable storage device.
Also if you have an ipod around what happens when you plug it into the usb? What happened when you plugged in your iphone?
scottjl 05-04-2010, 04:15 PM Just tried a WD 320G Passport drive I have here. It has 4 white led's on front that cycle during activity. They all came on and I did not hear the drive start up spinning, did not mount. I'm guessing it is draining too much power.
When you pug in the iPhone (via USB cable) and launch the Photos application you see the images and video to import just like any other camera. You can't transfer over anything else. The iPhone is still usable while it's hooked up.
kgian 05-04-2010, 05:25 PM Is it possible to copy files using command line to the sd card?
lilman 05-04-2010, 05:32 PM Just tried a WD 320G Passport drive I have here. It has 4 white led's on front that cycle during activity. They all came on and I did not hear the drive start up spinning, did not mount. I'm guessing it is draining too much power.
I figured that wouldn't work. Thanks for checking.
When you pug in the iPhone (via USB cable) and launch the Photos application you see the images and video to import just like any other camera. You can't transfer over anything else. The iPhone is still usable while it's hooked up.
That is great news. Hopefully it will treat iPods the same way as I keep about 100gb of video on mine.
scottjl 05-04-2010, 05:49 PM Is it possible to copy files using command line to the sd card?
From above:
From the command line I am able to see and manipulate all files with standard unix commands.
That would be a yes.
Victoria 05-07-2010, 06:29 AM Thanks very much for posting such a thorough test run.
menevets 05-07-2010, 09:53 AM So it sounds like if you want to transfer pictures from your camera to an external hard drive, you have to first import them into an app on the iPad, disconnect and use an external hard drive that has its own power source?
I have a WD Passport and on some notebooks, I have to use a special Y cable with two USB connectors for twice the power.
cheerio6414 05-07-2010, 02:25 PM pics???
scottjl 05-07-2010, 02:28 PM pics???
Of the connectors? You're joking right? Well, you can go to the Apple Store (http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC531ZM/A?fnode=MTc0MjU4NjE) and see two little pieces of white plastic if you really have to check them out.
robb01 05-07-2010, 04:19 PM Great review!
Alexander Turcic 05-07-2010, 04:49 PM Nice review, thanks. I am still hoping to get the Kit later today from the Apple store on Michigan Ave, Chicago. Right now they are sold out.
Have you been able to try out larger SD cards? Like, does it support cards with 32GB or even 64GB?
scottjl 05-07-2010, 05:00 PM I spoke with the manager at an Apple store a few weeks ago and was told that right now the only way to get them was to order direct from Apple. Stores didn't expect to actually have any in-stock until June. Of course the Michigan Ave. store is one of Apple's flagships so they might get some preferential treatment.
The largest card I happen to have is 16g and it worked fine with that so it appears to be SDHC compatible (also worked with some 8's and some 4's). But people are reporting mixed bags when working with MicroSD cards in adapters. I can say personally it did not like one adapter but I moved the card to another and it worked just fine. I don't think there will be a problem with 64G cards as long as they're following specs. On a non-jailbroken iPad though you're going to be limited to importing photos and video. Jailbreakers with command-line access will be able to do a lot more.
It would be nice if Apple gave developers access to read and write files to cards in 4.0. Carrying around a few cards, the adapters and their small bluetooth keyboard and you've have a great, very portable, little system. Wouldn't survive serious business use, but it would be a very setup to take on a vacation.
scottjl 05-07-2010, 05:03 PM I have a WD Passport and on some notebooks, I have to use a special Y cable with two USB connectors for twice the power.
Just came across this article. (http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/ipad-spirit-jailbreak-camera-connection-kit-external-hdd-sup/) So it is possible if you can supply some extra power. Just ugly. I wonder how long before someone sells a powered Y adapter.
Alexander Turcic 05-07-2010, 05:18 PM I spoke with the manager at an Apple store a few weeks ago and was told that right now the only way to get them was to order direct from Apple. Stores didn't expect to actually have any in-stock until June. Of course the Michigan Ave. store is one of Apple's flagships so they might get some preferential treatment.
Ouch! Yes, the guys over there told me that they expect them to come in on any day. Unfortunately, because the Michigan Ave store is so popular, it is also quickly sold out. I will go to the burbs this weekend to a smaller store and have my fingers crossed.
scottjl 05-07-2010, 06:42 PM Good luck in Schaumburg, they're just as busy. I'd try Orland (that's where I got my first iPhone years ago, they had plenty and no crowd). I ordered camera kit online and got it within a week, free shipping even. Save yourself the frustration.
Alexander Turcic 05-08-2010, 10:08 AM Good luck in Schaumburg, they're just as busy.
I bought the iPad at the Old Orchard mall, where they still had plenty in while Michigan Ave was sold out. Will try again for the Kit (which they were out of stock too the last time I checked).
I ordered camera kit online and got it within a week, free shipping even. Save yourself the frustration.
It now says shipping 2-3 weeks for the kit. For me the alternative is to wait till the iPad comes out in Germany (end of this month) and order the kit from there.
scottjl 05-08-2010, 10:08 AM Mine said 2-3 weeks too, I still got it in a week.
badgoodDeb 05-09-2010, 05:32 PM Just came across this article. (http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/06/ipad-spirit-jailbreak-camera-connection-kit-external-hdd-sup/) So it is possible if you can supply some extra power. Just ugly. I wonder how long before someone sells a powered Y adapter.
I'm probably barking up the wrong tree (i.e. not really sure what you need) but this Y USB power cable was touted for iPhones which need more power than comes through a car power jack. You get two car power jacks, and send the power from both through this adapter into your device. (I bought one, but haven't tried it.)
http://www.amazon.com/USB-Power-Adapter-Y-Cable/dp/B000JIOHDE/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1273440501&sr=8-10
lilman 05-18-2010, 12:30 PM Received my camera kit today. Tested importing pics from the SD from my camera (obviously that worked) and tried plugging in my WD Passport 500gb through USB (as scottjl already reported, the Passport lights up but the iPad doesn't read it, probably due to power constraints).
Now charging my 160gb 6G iPod classic so I can test if the iPad can copy videos from it. This would be awesome since I keep 100gb of anime episodes on my iPod. I will report the results later.
scottjl 05-18-2010, 01:54 PM hate to be the bearer of bad news but it won't work.. apple doesn't support iDevice to iDevice transfers.. piracy and all that..
lilman 05-18-2010, 03:03 PM hate to be the bearer of bad news but it won't work.. apple doesn't support iDevice to iDevice transfers.. piracy and all that..
I was hoping it would work since you said the iPhone to iPad photo/video transfer worked. I don't see why apple would treat photos/videos on the iPod any different, in terms of piracy. I don't even see the big deal about allowing iDevice to iDevice transfers... drm should prevent you from sharing anything that you shouldn't be allowed to.
Anyway, the test was a failure... iPod to iPad connectivity through the camera connection kit does not work. The iPad comes up with the error "this USB device is not supported". What a shame, my iPod is full of videos and makes for the perfect self-powered portable harddrive. I would love to take my iPod on a trip and watch its videos on the iPad. I guess I'll have to be on the lookout for a cheap large capacity thumb drive, or just be careful which videos I load onto the iPad before going on a trip (I have the 64gb version, it fits a good amount of video).
scottjl 05-18-2010, 03:40 PM well i think you misunderstood what i said about the video transfer. i can transfer over videos i take with the iphone's camera, not movies I've loaded into the iphone to view. and while it is possible to load up ripped movies this way you have to "trick" the ipad by putting them in a directory named "DCIM".
basically there is no way to copy music/video over that you didn't take yourself. apple has mentioned this was for copyright protection. just as you can't transfer items off your ipod onto your computer. at least not with apple software, plenty of 3rd party software out there that will do it. easily circumvented protection. yes. shrug.
sorry.
lilman 05-18-2010, 04:42 PM well i think you misunderstood what i said about the video transfer. i can transfer over videos i take with the iphone's camera, not movies I've loaded into the iphone to view. and while it is possible to load up ripped movies this way you have to "trick" the ipad by putting them in a directory named "DCIM".
Ah, I misunderstood your iPhone report before, thanks for clearing that up.
I connected to my iPod through iFunbox, created a DCIM folder in the root, copied over one of my already processed for iPod anime episodes, and connected my iPod to the iPad again through the camera connection kit. It worked the same as the iPhone; the Photos app came up and I was able to import the video. Of course any video in the DCIM folder of the iPod cannot be viewed on the iPod, so you are trading iPod space for portable iPad storage space. But at least it works as expected... the iPod can be used as a portable self-powered external video holder for the iPad.
sianon 05-18-2010, 05:00 PM Scott, with the camera kit, does the Ipad reduce the file size when you download images. I have noted that when I sync images from my computer to the Ipad, a folder that was say 4gig, becomes around 300mb.
scottjl 05-18-2010, 05:20 PM no. the ipad loads in full files.. even .raw images. can't display them but it stores them for you to transfer over to your computer later. would be completely useless if apple resized them all.
sianon 05-19-2010, 03:38 AM Excelent, thank you for that Scott. I have ordered the camera kit and was a bit concerned aftenseeing what happened when I synced swome images.
The Old Man 05-20-2010, 03:12 PM When I attached the SD card reader a warning box pops up saying, "The attached USB device is not supported."
The SD card is a 512mb with a few jpg images in the root folder. What am I doing wrong?
Thanks.
lilman 05-20-2010, 03:46 PM When I attached the SD card reader a warning box pops up saying, "The attached USB device is not supported."
The SD card is a 512mb with a few jpg images in the root folder. What am I doing wrong?
Thanks.
Try creating a DCIM folder in the root of the SD card, then move the images into it.
The Old Man 05-20-2010, 04:04 PM Try creating a DCIM folder in the root of the SD card, then move the images into it.
That did it! Thank you.
How come the small manual that came with the device doesn't tell you that?
Or is that something everyone knows except a dummy like me?:blink:
badgoodDeb 05-20-2010, 04:11 PM The manual wants you to only import photos from a camera. This technique is side-stepping that requirement!
scottjl 05-20-2010, 04:17 PM That did it! Thank you.
How come the small manual that came with the device doesn't tell you that?
Or is that something everyone knows except a dummy like me?:blink:
the DCIM (Digital Camera IMages) is a spec manufacturers came up with a few years back so that you could take a card from camera to camera and they would be organized in a semi-standard fashion. the photos app only knows to scan that directory for any of it's supported file types (.jpg and .raw work, .pdf doesn't).
dropping your own pictures in there is a "cheat". the ipad doesn't know they didn't come from a camera over your desktop. on the other hand, anything not in that directory is safe from being scanned. while sub-directories are scanned for files, the directory structure is not preserved, so save yourself the hassle from organizing them on the card only to have it ignored.
it was mentioned in my mini-review on the first page, under "Unsupported Devices".
The Old Man 05-20-2010, 05:11 PM Thank you That clears that up. I have also now imported videos from a flash drive.
scottjl 06-03-2010, 12:28 PM wow.. if i had known i could unload mine for 4x the price i might not have opened the box!
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/ipad-camera-connection-kit-a-commodity-item-now-fetches-100-o/
Fotoman 06-03-2010, 12:39 PM I'm still waiting for mine which will ship sometime around the 7th of June.
Is there a list somewhere of raw files it supports? My camera is relatively new (Canon 7D) and there's usually some delay before many programs will support the slightly different raw formats each DSLR brings with it.
Trubu 06-03-2010, 02:39 PM :I got mine last week - turned out to be kind of a bummer, actually. I mostly wanted it to be able to carry around a bigger assortment of movies than the iPad will hold. But, it doesn't recognize my self-powered USB drive as a valid import location, even with the DCIM trick, and importing videos from an SD card only seems to work if the movies are fairly short. Office Space came over fine, but Sherlock Holmes and several other movies with 2+ hour running times didn't. The import would start, but then silently fail after 30 seconds or so. Not sure if it's running time, file size or something else that it's choking on.
Does work fine for photos, so I guess that's something. ;)
stustaff 06-03-2010, 05:09 PM :I got mine last week - turned out to be kind of a bummer, actually. I mostly wanted it to be able to carry around a bigger assortment of movies than the iPad will hold. But, it doesn't recognize my self-powered USB drive as a valid import location, even with the DCIM trick, and importing videos from an SD card only seems to work if the movies are fairly short. Office Space came over fine, but Sherlock Holmes and several other movies with 2+ hour running times didn't. The import would start, but then silently fail after 30 seconds or so. Not sure if it's running time, file size or something else that it's choking on.
Does work fine for photos, so I guess that's something. ;)
You can play videos from a stick or usb drive you do need to jailbreak though, then download the free ifile app and use that to navigate to your sdcard or memory stick and the film will then open in movies just fine.it's ace. Also you don't need to actually import them to the pad they play straight from the stick/ sd card
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