View Full Version : Any ongoing work on the epub specification?


b.tarde
03-16-2010, 03:38 PM
I ask because I just peeked in at the IDPF forums (http://www.idpf.org/forums/), which seem to be moribund: no real activity since 2008. Yet there's much that could be done: support of footnotes, some real page layout possibilities (beyond the CSS page-break-* things), and perhaps more. Epub looks far from finished to me, so where's the activity?

Peter

charleski
03-16-2010, 04:01 PM
Epub looks far from finished to meI couldn't agree more. Once OPS 2.0 was finalised interest seems to have vanished. The current standard can't even handle columns on anything other than a rudimentary basis.

Much of the problem is that Adobe and its device partners have had a hard time getting a fully-conformant Reading System out the door. The latest desktop version of ADE doesn't even fully comply with the limited OPS2 spec, and the situation on embedded devices is worse.

As usual, things will continue to stagnate until there's competition to shake them up. This is why I'm hoping that Apple's implementation will provide an injection of innovation. If they want to render magazines and newspapers to an acceptable standard then they'll have to.

Peter Sorotokin
03-16-2010, 05:10 PM
I ask because I just peeked in at the IDPF forums (http://www.idpf.org/forums/), which seem to be moribund: no real activity since 2008. Yet there's much that could be done: support of footnotes, some real page layout possibilities (beyond the CSS page-break-* things), and perhaps more. Epub looks far from finished to me, so where's the activity?

Peter

Right now IDPF is fixing bugs in the current spec and then there will be another revision. It is certainly far from finished. IDPF forums are not used much because everyone is on mobileread ;-)

Jellby
03-17-2010, 09:09 AM
There's more inside discussion at www.daisy.org/epub

HarryT
03-17-2010, 09:46 AM
What's happened to Nate's project to propose a standard for ePub dictionaries?

b.tarde
03-17-2010, 10:42 AM
Thanks for the reference to daisy.org, where I see there is current work/discussion. I'll look forward to browsing through it all.

Peter

charleski
03-17-2010, 01:12 PM
Thanks for the reference to daisy.org, where I see there is current work/discussion. I'll look forward to browsing through it all.

Peter
The real problem is that it's all concerned with the existing spec. OPS 2.0 was finalised in September 2007 and is closed to new features. I see no evidence of moves to start a new cycle to extend the spec and fill in all the missing abilities that ePub requires. The discussion about headers and footers (http://www.daisy.org/epub/issues/oeb-page-head-oeb-page-foot) is worth a read - the current framework basically has no solution for the issue and it was dismissed.

It's also not at all clear what action is being taken to fix the minor amendments that are being discussed. For instance, on 14 Dec 2009 it was proposed (http://www.daisy.org/epub/issues/playorder-attribute-epub) that the playOrder attribute in NCX navLists be made optional. Yet it is still required in the spec. What gives?

Guns4Hire
03-18-2010, 02:05 PM
This was from their last meeting which happened to be yesterday (3/17). Not sure all of what it means. But sounds like they are working on a updated spec.

2010-03-17 Conference Call
Time: 20:00 UTC, 1:00 Los Angeles, 14:00 Denver, 16:00 New York, 20:00 London, 21:00 Zurich, 05:00 Tokyo next day, 07:00 Sydney next day
For other times, see the world clock at: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/full.html
Dial in: +1 712.432.7300 Pin: 314850#
1. Minutes, Recording, and Scribe
The Agenda & Minutes is a single node in the EPUB Maintenance wiki. The scribe will insert the minutes into the agenda. Working group members may contribute to the minutes, make corrections etc. Essentially minutes will be available shortly after the call.
Recording will be available for calls: use the same dial in and pin. *3 followed by the file name, yymmdd (100317)
Reminder: Catherine Zekri will record the call separately for her research. For a Summary of Research & Information to Participants see her web page ebooks-and-society.
Minutes:
Scribe for the day: Pat Payton, Bowker
2. Present: xx Participants
George Kerscher – DAISY Consortium
Garth Conboy,Ebook Technologies Inc.
Bill Kasdorf, Apex CoVantage
Catharine Zekri, University of Montreal
Keith Fahlgren, ThreePress Consulting
Brady Duga, Ebook Technologies Inc.
Peter Sorotokin, Adobe Systems, Inc.
Marcus Gylling, DAISY Consortium
Karen Broome, Sony
Pat Payton, Bowker
Dan Amos, DNAML
James Link, Macmillan Publishing Solutions
Stacey Manceive?
Takeshi Kanai,Sony
Regrets:
Paul Norton - Invited Expert
Michael McGinniss – HarpeCollins
Lindy Humphreys – John Wiley & Sons
Patrick Pagano – Barnes & Noble
Jamie Israel – Innodata Isogen
Michael Smith – IDPF
Ben Trafford

3.Dates for calls
Two weeks from today is March 31 and the London Book Fair is the week of April 19. I propose through May the schedule is:
March 31
April 14
May 5
May 19
Times will return to our schedule at 21UTC.
Minutes: Dates of calls above were agreed.
4 One Open Issue that requires resolution
attribute name xmlns is a bug
Minutes:Issue 43 accepted and will be updated in next draft, Issue 46 accepted with change language to be written by Peter
5.Update on Spec review
Minutes:All meeting attendees are encouraged to review draft changes to spec document. Please focus on changes. At next working meeting.
6. Specification Review, time line and Process
If the Maintenance WG can sign off on March 31, a 14 day public review can be announced. On the April 13 conference call, we can address any comments received and send the document to the Board for approval.
7 Future Requirements and Charter for Revision
Minutes:We are putting together a charter for the next revision and hope to have the board approve it prior to the working group approving it. It is not yet decided if this will be a 2.1 or 3.0 version. Also, we do want to put out a statement on call for requirements in next couple of weeks.

Valloric
03-18-2010, 07:56 PM
This was from their last meeting which happened to be yesterday (3/17).

Including a link to the source would be a good idea.

yekim54
03-18-2010, 08:16 PM
Including a link to the source would be a good idea.

http://www.daisy.org/epub/2010-03-17-conference-call

Guns4Hire
03-18-2010, 09:33 PM
Including a link to the source would be a good idea.

Sorry it was from the same discussion of the last few posts. So didn't even think about adding a link. Sorry about that.

Its in the navigation menu under Agenda and Minutes.

http://www.daisy.org/epub

http://www.daisy.org/epub/node/1744

http://www.daisy.org/epub/2010-03-17-conference-call