Hello ebook lovers!
Like all of us here, united in the quest for reading ebooks on a reader-friendly device, I am also on the look out for the dream e-book reader nirvana.

While the Hanlin, Sony ereader and iRex Iliad promise to be exceptional readers based on e-ink technology, all three of them are either out of budget/costly, hard to get or like the sony, not yet out in the market.

As a Physician, I need to read a lot of literature. Much of the standard texts are now available in the Isilo format and many doctors/surgeons have adapted the Palm platform as the device of choice.

Now, one question this community should answer is:
While we wait for (1) the price of the Iliad to go down to affordable range cheaper than a notebook, (2) wait for the Hanlin devices to be available widely in english with tech support (3) wait for the Sony to release their 'perfected' ereader,

Why not go for a UMPC or a Handheld?

I have been waiting for the e-ink devices to become mainstream and cheaper, but the trend so far has been far from encouraging. So, I have decided to fall back on my plan B - to get myself a Palm TX for the moment - I can also do other stuff with it and even with its pathetic 3 hr battery backup, I can still try to get some reading done...

What do you people think?

Do you have any other gadget as a stop-gap measure? Are you planning to roll back your e-ink device for the time being and wait for it to stabilise in all terms? If yes, what is your current gadget you use to read ebooks or what do you plan to buy before you get yourself an e-ink device?

NOTE: I perfectely know the advantages of a dedicated ebook reader like most of us here, so telling me/us all over again about the palm/handhelds vs ebook readers is like preaching to the choir - yet there are other stuff that affect the decision to buy a ebook reader like price and availablity - this thread discusses that exactly and the possible solutions.

Thank you for your suggestions, points of views.

I love to read e-books on my Treo (an even smaller screen than most PalmOS devices!) I do it frequently, and for me it's actually less stenuous on my eyes than paperbacks. But it's not always so good for reference works with pictures, or books in which you need to see a lot of territory at once. For me, it's awesome because it's always with me, so I can read for 5-10 mins when I'm waiting on something.

I've also been thinking about a UMPC or small tablet convertible. I think it would be great for e-book reading and give you a lot more flexibility with formats. Pdfs would be a lot easier also because of the bigger screen. Still very portable.

Some people have complained about eye strain with any backlit screen, however. And some UMPCs don't have as much resolution as you might want. (But I still think it's pretty good, and must surely beat the screen on a pda.)

My Treo would probably let me read for more than 5hrs if that's all I was doing on it. Great battery life. UMPCs not so good, but they have some extended batteries showing up that might just do the trick to get you to the 5hr range for simple unconnected book reading.

It will be very interesting to hear what everyone has to say about this. Nice topic!

Hi all.

I read a lot in my Tungsten T3, with ereader and more recently with mobireader. And I don't notice any eye strain, using a black background with a white foreground. I adjust the contrast depending on the illumination conditions... in bed (lights off) almost to the minimum.

I suppose that many people try to read in a PDA with white background... for me that's impossible. In ten minutes I have to leave it.

Recently I bought my wife an Acer N311 (priced around 300€). It has the same screen that the Dell Axim X51v (VGA resolution) and the reading is much better. In the Tungsten you can notice some rugged borders in the characters while in the Acer you can't. Now I'm going to buy another Acer for me, basically for reading. I haven't seen any e-ink screen yet, but it had to impress me strongly to change my mind.

The battery life of the Tungsten is terrible (no more than 3 hours, just reading) and in the Acer is better (more or less 8 hours, just reading). There is a high capacity battery for the Acer that (they say) doubles the battery life.

The only weak point of the Acer is that, if you rotate the screen, there is a loss of quality. :huh:

So.. my reading device? A PDA with a big screen (the Acer is 3.7 inches) and VGA resolution.

L.

TX has been a delight for the last 10 1/2 months. Superb battery life, reading is a joy in landscape autoscroll (eReader and Plucker), 2GB cards work great (no more swapping), WiFi sync and rapid trickle charging means I can keep the charger and sync cable separate from the computer if I want secondary and tertiary charging locations.

What next? Not sure, depends on what is available when I am ready to make the move. Will need to fit in a pocket (and what passes for women's pockets these days barely hold a postage stamp).

Palm T3 is my present "reader" (I use eReader because I can mark up my own RTF texts with a Word macro). I do find the screen bothers my eyes after awhile, the white text on black does seem to be easier on them, though. I probably get closer to ~4 hours.

I do like the fact that I pretty much always have it with me so I can pull it out and read when I find myself with a few minutes on my hands. The small screen size isn't nearly so much of an issue for me as glare (reflections) and washout are. I have noted that the brightest setting on a T|X is a good bit less bright than the brightest setting on the T3, so those last two issues would likely be worse in it in a lot of situations.

Personally, I'd far rather have a dedicated e-ink reader. :grin2:

I do find the screen bothers my eyes after awhile, the white text on black does seem to be easier on them, though. I probably get closer to ~4 hours.


Four hours? NatCh, you don't have children, do you?

I have a two years old boy and a girl is coming in a few weeks. I am afraid that I will not have four hours for reading in years!!

I suppose eye strain from reading in a PDA is not probable if you have children. Legs strain, arms strain, mind strain, nerves strain ... may be :happy2:

Four hours? NatCh, you don't have children, do you?
No, no children, only (little) dogs for the time being -- my wife is finishing her Ph.D. in English Lit., and there will be no two-legged critters until I have to call her "Doctor." :happy2:

BTW, I didn't say the 4 hours was all at once....

I have an ipaq 4155 that my older brother gave to me after he moved onto a Treo, and my main use for it is reading ebooks. It's very handy for situations where I don't have room for a book, or the light to read one. I've also found that it's a little bit more socially acceptable to pull out a PDA and start reading in many situations where pulling out a book or a handheld gaming device would be frowned upon(like a graduation, for example).

I don't really notice much eye strain, but I do know it can't be all that good for me either. Still, I can't afford a dedicated reader and none of them are as tiny and discrete as a pda anyway. I also have a convertible tablet pc, but it's not small enough to tote around. It's for reading on the couch or in bed.

I've been using a Sony UX-50 with MobiPocket Reader for nearly 4 years now and have read quite a number of books on it. I read about 1/2-1hr per day practically every day. I've found the battery life to be adequate (about 3 hours these days, though a good bit longer when the battery was new) for normal use. I rarely reach the limit between chances to return it to the charge. It's only the occasional day of jury duty or when we loose power during a hurricane (stay away Ernesto!) that battery life becomes an issue. I then resort to paper books and, in the evenings, audiobooks in my Creative MuVo (12hrs+ per AAA battery) when I can't charge the UX-50. Screen size has never been an issue. The fact that it is pocketable makes it far more usefull to me than anything with a larger screen.

I am still sold on my Nokia 770 with FB Reader. Extremely sharp screen, with adjustable fonts, etc. No eyestrain for me. There is of course much previous discussion on the forum regarding the Nokia, which you might want to take a look at.

I enjoy this thread, so I registered here. I am in China where I cannot buy new English books. I rely on downloads and my old TRGpro. Sadly, my screen has become flaky. I can restore it by squeezing the case, so I am limping along with it. I have contacted Handera hoping to arrange for a refurbished unit.

Why don't I just by a new T|X? I am greatly tempted, especially by the WiFi. I could sit in local cafes and browse the web. But the TRGpro has certain advantages I am unwilling to relinquish. The first is battery convenience. If I read a lot a pair of AAA batteries will last me about 2 weeks. The monochrome screen is very easy on power. I can carry AAAs or buy them when needed.

The T|X has that wonderful large screen. But the TRGpro is good enough. Maybe the next time I am back in the new world, I will succumb to the temptation. I am, after all, a gadget lover.

Glad to have you here Mogui!

Many people prefer older gadgets. The trick is to use one that is affordable, and that you enjoy using. If it meets your needs, why upgrade? (Of course, many people say that about paper - why "upgrade" to an e-book reader?!)

Well Bob, I still love paper. But in China I cannot buy many English books. And those that are available are reprints of classics which are all available as ebooks. There are a few new novels here, but only at import prices.

One of my great pleasures when I am back in the "west" is to sit down with a real paper book. Just like old times! I am a regular library patron there too.

Now I have a problem. My TRGpro is having an intermittent problem that signals its impending demise. Handera is sounding iffy about their ability to repair it. I don't know why. They built it. They do not seem to have refurbished units. So I am looking for a replacement -- another TRGpro. Ebay has none at the moment.

I am tempted by the new Palm TX, but it appears the power adapter will not work here.

I did some checking because I travel internationally and am planning to buy one to replace a much older vintage Palm.

Two thoughts, though. First, it will charge through a USB port. Second, the device almost certainly has the same DC input regardless of the AC power supplied. So order the power cable from their international site and have it delivered that way (you might need to work this through their customer service if the power supply is being delivered to the 'wrong' region).

Thanks VillageReader! I had wondered if USB charging would be possible. That resolves my doubts.

Now I have managed to find an older Palm to buy and have shipped to me in China. The screen is a hair smaller than the TRGpro, but not significantly so. It is a stopgap measure.

I will be coming back to Canada in a few months for a visit. Then I will get something modern. E-ink sounds great! So does a Palm TX. The Nokia 770 is about to undergo an upgrade, so used 770s might be a bargain.

Having a WiFi enabled device on my home network could be ideal for both reading and browsing. I have long wished for a bathroom browser :)

My wife got me a T/x for Christmas. The transformer rating is 100-240VAC, 50/60Hz. So, someone from Engineering needs to walk over and inform Marketing the T/x will work outside the US & Canada with the simple addition of the proper connector to plug it into the wall.

Doc,
I think we (I don't have one yet) should just get a Reader. It's not that expensive and worth it, first version or whatever. I've played with the SonyReader and am impressed, especially the readability of e-ink. PDAs?, or any handheld device? no comparison. Those expensive little toys are full of stuff you don't need and way the heck too small unless you have eyes of a 7-year olds. Please stay focus on the fact that the Reader are made to do exactly that — READ !! 80-books in one blow, 3-weeks before recharge, thin but not flimsy, Doctor McCoy would love to
have one ! I commute to Manhattan everyday. I'll let you know how well it works.

Thanks VillageReader for the info on TX power. In China you can use both types of US plugs - grounded and ungrounded. There are at least two other types here too, but wall sockets and power strips accommodate them all.

Those expensive little toys are full of stuff you don't need and way the heck too small unless you have eyes of a 7-year olds.

I have had a palm device since 1997. It has years of notes in it, addresses for people I have long forgotten, and familiar pastimes. it is a big plus that I can read on it too!

But you are right that I would have a better reading experience on a light big-screen einked special-purpose reader. I will probably end up with both. But nobody's getting my Palm!

Now is large text important? My eyes are fairly old and I can read the small text on my MP4 player just fine (see another post of mine). I am finding it quite useful to carry a reader that fits in the watch pocket of my jeans. I have several novels on it, and it is quite handy to sit and read at the bank while my wife does her business, or while I sit in the doctor's waiting room.

Portability is important for all reader devices. Do you ever read at your PC? I don't. The eink devices will be great for lounging on the sofa and having the relaxed experience that a book gives us. The Palm device and the MP4 player give another order of portability. The Palm is easily carried, and the MP4 player is so small that there is no reason not to take it everywhere.

Now can we find a way to synch all these devices?

Not sure how med texts are, but I read a decent number of engineering papers on my TX. The resolution is good but the screen is awfully small for me. It's great for "fun" books, and the Plucker format is great for "fun" reading and captured text, but most of my papers come off citeseer or IEEE and are in .pdf format. The PDF reader is good, but the screen is small. Something twice the size might be great.

I'd try a Sony but I share Alton Brown's aversion to singletaskers.

Palm T3 is my present "reader" (I use eReader because I can mark up my own RTF texts with a Word macro). I do find the screen bothers my eyes after awhile, the white text on black does seem to be easier on them, though. I probably get closer to ~4 hours.

I do like the fact that I pretty much always have it with me so I can pull it out and read when I find myself with a few minutes on my hands. The small screen size isn't nearly so much of an issue for me as glare (reflections) and washout are. I have noted that the brightest setting on a T|X is a good bit less bright than the brightest setting on the T3, so those last two issues would likely be worse in it in a lot of situations.

Personally, I'd far rather have a dedicated e-ink reader. :grin2:

Nathan,
I agree about the e-ink reader. However on your Palm, you might try light gray on dark gray, rather than white on black. To my eyes it is not quite so harsh.

Whew! Blast from the past there, slayda! :grin:

I see what you're saying, and probably agree with yout. On the other hand it's all kinda moot now, as I don't read on the T3 anymore. I was right in my (then) belief that a dedicated e-ink reader suited me better. :yes:

Hi All!
I got myself a Palm T|X and I can't be more pleased with my choice.
The Palm TX costs just a fraction of the e-ink readers, but I can still read almost anything in it.

For those still on the wall, I must urge them to try the TX out. It will allow you the luxury of reading ebooks (I especially recommend the Isilo format among many other choices) without burning a hole in your pockets.

THe battery life is good too.. I recharge it once every 3 days, the text is clear enough, the TX itself neither tiny as most 'smartphones' nor huge as the readers.. its just the right size to read on its screen comfortably as well as drop it into your pant or shirt or coat pockets. It turns on instantly, Isilo remembers where and which page you were on last time you shut the app down, and much of the preferences suited for tweaking.

I am a power reader, still am glad i made the choice. Now I can put off buying an e-ink reader for another year hoping the prices will come down.

Regards!