View Full Version : Video on Mirasol display from Engadget
soilwork 01-09-2010, 03:45 PM Engadget posted a video of Mirasol display in high-res.
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I cannot find a way to embed high-res youtube video here, so you may click the video to visit youtube for high-res video.
The article also mentions the following.
The first display to the market will indeed be this very 5.7-inch, XGA version, which is 240ppi pixel density and a 6x power advantage over E-ink in a typical usage scenario (despite the fact that it's doing full color video).
I am not sure whether it means that Mirasol consumes 1/6th of power than e-ink of the same display size, but it sure sounds like a promising option.
[Source]
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/qualcomm-mirasol-display-video-hands-on-in-glorious-1080p/
LDBoblo 01-09-2010, 04:03 PM Engadget posted a video of Mirasol display in high-res.
jmpBgaPGYKQ
I cannot find a way to embed high-res youtube video here, so you may click the video to visit youtube for high-res video.
The article also mentions the following.
I am not sure whether it means that Mirasol consumes 1/6th of power than e-ink of the same display size, but it sure sounds like a promising option.
[Source]
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/qualcomm-mirasol-display-video-hands-on-in-glorious-1080p/
They mean it is more efficient than e-ink when both are pushed to running video framerates. It seems to be a creative and optimistic extrapolation of estimates that put EPDs at a strong disadvantage. At normal reading usage, I'm sure it'll be competitive with E-Ink (they don't seem to be telling what the hold state power consumption is, just saying it's "low". It is bistable, but it requires a very tiny bias voltage to maintain a base state, probably comparable to EPD).
I wonder if they're telling people the expected power draw during video compared to, say, backlit LCD, rather than compared to EPD.
Gotta say 240ppi is getting mighty close to what a good reader should have...I hope they can maintain a reasonably dense black state.
Not_A_Crook 01-09-2010, 06:57 PM Jesus christ thats impressive.
daffy4u 01-09-2010, 07:22 PM I don't like the page turns on this or the liquavista screens. They're just too slow. I don't want to give up speed for color (or not much). I just want the pages to pop up the way they do with readers now. :(
LDBoblo 01-09-2010, 07:28 PM I don't like the page turns on this or the liquavista screens. They're just too slow. I don't want to give up speed for color (or not much). I just want the pages to pop up the way they do with readers now. :(
:rofl:
daffy4u 01-09-2010, 07:29 PM :rofl:
And this amuses you why?
LDBoblo 01-09-2010, 07:35 PM And this amuses you why?
You were serious? You actually think demo playback software, probably made in Flash, used to do nothing but display the framerate and color capability of a screen is some kind of final reader software that is going to be adopted by device manufacturers?
That's almost as odd as another poster thinking that the demo chassis used in Liquavista's screen demonstration was a real proposed device casing.
devant 01-09-2010, 07:36 PM Maybe I can take a guess.............because Mirasol refresh rate is 100x faster than eink?
The fact that they can animate a page turn doesn't mean it has to be animated. It means it's able to play smooth video.
desertgrandma 01-09-2010, 07:40 PM Size is perfect. Once they get the color corrected, (too much yellow?) how neat for reading magazines. Or picture books. QUILT BOOKS!
daffy4u 01-09-2010, 07:43 PM You were serious?
Yes, I was.
LDBoblo 01-09-2010, 07:45 PM Size is perfect. Once they get the color corrected, (too much yellow?) how neat for reading magazines. Or picture books. QUILT BOOKS!
Or the same books people read today on their e-ink devices.
netseeker 01-09-2010, 07:46 PM Jesus christ thats impressive.
Yes it is indeed. Though i guess the battery was flat after the demo. ;)
LDBoblo 01-09-2010, 07:52 PM Yes, I was.
Sorry, don't mean to demean you then.
This company makes displays. They're not making UI, they're not making the viewing software, they're not making the device at all. Just the screen and the development kit for it. Nothing except the fundamental display hardware is to be considered a "product" in these demonstrations.
LDBoblo 01-09-2010, 07:55 PM Yes it is indeed. Though i guess the battery was flat after the demo. ;)
Why do you say that?
daffy4u 01-09-2010, 07:56 PM Sorry, don't mean to demean you then.
This company makes displays. They're not making UI, they're not making the viewing software, they're not making the device at all. Just the screen and the development kit for it. Nothing except the fundamental display hardware is to be considered a "product" in these demonstrations.
Then I thank you for the clarification.
netseeker 01-09-2010, 08:00 PM Why do you say that?
I'm not sure which part you mean... "Indeed" because mirasol is a very impressive technology. "Battery run flat" because they don't publish real details about the energy consumption yet.
desertgrandma 01-09-2010, 08:04 PM Or the same books people read today on their e-ink devices.
this goes way further than that.
Todays Kindles, Sony's, etc are perfect for reading books. Novels.
But if I wanted to read a magazine, or illustrated book, (I like quilt books, myself) this would be the perfect device.
LDBoblo 01-09-2010, 08:14 PM I'm not sure which part you mean... "Indeed" because mirasol is a very impressive technology. "Battery run flat" because they don't publish real details about the energy consumption yet.
None of these companies are actively promoting solid numbers at the present time.
From their white papers, it seems that it is <1mw for hold state, and <30mw for active display like video as estimated in mobile phone display size.
I think the most pessimistic estimates came from an earlier report from Liquavista (http://www.liquavista.com/downloads/getFile.aspx?DocID=15) that suggest it being a little more efficient than backlit LCD when rendering 6-bit grayscale at video speeds.
LDBoblo 01-09-2010, 08:18 PM this goes way further than that.
Todays Kindles, Sony's, etc are perfect for reading books. Novels.
But if I wanted to read a magazine, or illustrated book, (I like quilt books, myself) this would be the perfect device.
They're not perfect if you do anything quickly. That's why I'm excited about faster options. Even for novels, it'll improve my experience dramatically from what current e-ink provides.
But yes, the potential is much greater with more diverse media. Absolutely.
netseeker 01-09-2010, 08:25 PM I think the most pessimistic estimates came from an earlier report from Liquavista (http://www.liquavista.com/downloads/getFile.aspx?DocID=15) that suggest it being a little more efficient than backlit LCD when rendering 6-bit grayscale at video speeds.
I really doubt that liquavista and mirasol are compareable in terms of energy consumption. They are two completely different technologies. Mirasol is primarily mechanical, liquavista not.
LDBoblo 01-10-2010, 05:32 AM I really doubt that liquavista and mirasol are compareable in terms of energy consumption. They are two completely different technologies. Mirasol is primarily mechanical, liquavista not.
Huh? I'm talking about a Liquavista whitepaper that compared the power draw from EWD to EPD, LCD, and OLED as well as IMOD. Their estimate of IMOD was pessimistic. I said nothing about the technologies being equivalent.
netseeker 01-10-2010, 08:01 AM Huh? I'm talking about a Liquavista whitepaper that compared the power draw from EWD to EPD, LCD, and OLED as well as IMOD. Their estimate of IMOD was pessimistic. I said nothing about the technologies being equivalent.
Sorry, got it wrong - english is not my primary language. :o I didn't expect that Liquavista would publish such an estimate without exact knowledge about the development stage of Qualcomm's MEMS.
markbot 01-11-2010, 09:41 PM This is going to be HUGE!
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