Edit: Find some more comparisons further down this thread.

Details are sketchy at this point, but "librie guy" from the Yahoo! Librie list (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/librie/) managed to take a peak at the forthcoming Sony Connect Store (http://ebooks.connect.com) (host currently unavailable), and it appears - well, we didn't expect anything else - that Sony's proprietary e-books will cost you extra.

Example: Alan Dean Foster's The Light Years Beneath My Feet (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345461282/sr=8-1/qid=1145300571/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-3633081-6373745?%5Fencoding=UTF8)


Retail hardcover: $23.95
Amazon hardcover: $16.16
Amazon Mobipocket e-book: $17.95
Amazon Adobe Reader e-book: $11.67
Amazon Microsoft e-book: $11.67
Sony Connect e-book: $16.16 (includes a 10% "CONNECT discount")


Bottom line, Sony Connect charges for the e-book the same price as Amazon charges for the hardcover paper book. Worse, you can get the same e-book in Adobe Reader or Microsoft format for almost 40 percent less if purchased through Amazon.

Hmm, not sure of the meaning here. Do they mean to say ALL books will be hardcover priced or just those not yet out in paperback?

If paperback releases will be paperback priced, I don't see the problem....

Unfortunately, I couldn't get any more details since the actual site is still not open to the public (it appeared that they were for a short timeframe due to a technical glitch perhaps).

It's true that for some people it's fine when the price of e-books equals the price of paperback (more specifically: hardcover) books. However, I like to argue that the majority of people interested in e-books is not willing to pay the same price for e-books. For one reason, there is a high price of entry when you consider the $300-500 price tag of E Ink-based e-book readers. For another, commercial e-books are usually crippled with DRM which diminishes the actual value of the product (you cannot resell it or lend it as you could do with paperback books).

Since the vast majority of the costs of a physical book are avoided by an eBook, there is no excuse whatsoever for the price of an eBook to be even close to the price of the physical book.

If the physical price is $16, the eBook should be no more than $8 (IMHO).

Now, when I buy a book, some of the value of that book is that I can resell that book to someone else when I'm done (or give it to a friend, donate it to the used book sale at the library, etc.) If the book has DRM, that value is eliminated. Plus my rights of fair use are violated and should I change reader, I would probably no longer be able to read the eBook anymore.

So the value of that DRMed eBook falls to less than $1.

I completely agree with you, rlauzon. I don't want to pay the hardback/paperback price when the cost to the publisher is minimal.

I checked at Fictionwise and they sell this book for $17.95 with a 20% Micropay rebate, for an actual cost of $14.36. If you belong to their club, which I do, the cost is $15.26, with a 20% rebate taking the actual cost to $12.21. The book is the same price in Secure Mobipocket/Microsoft Reader/eReader format.

I completely agree with you, rlauzon. I don't want to pay the hardback/paperback price when the cost to the publisher is minimal.

I checked at Fictionwise and they sell this book for $17.95 with a 20% Micropay rebate, for an actual cost of $14.36. If you belong to their club, which I do, the cost is $15.26, with a 20% rebate taking the actual cost to $12.21. The book is the same price in Secure Mobipocket/Microsoft Reader/eReader format.
Thanks for the hint, Paul. Fictionwise occasionally has some good offers, especially when you are a "club member".

The store is accessible right now. Don't expect to see a lot since it's still a big construction site. Lots of 404 missing page errors and empty pages, search not functional, sparely populated with books. Screenshots attached.

Here're some more comparisons. Judge for yourself:

Scott Wolven, Controlled Burn (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0743260112/sr=8-1/qid=1145348997/ref=sr_1_1/102-3633081-6373745?%5Fencoding=UTF8)
List price hardcover: $22.00
Amazon price hardcover: $14.30
Amazon Microsoft Reader e-book: $9.74
Amazon Adobe Reader e-book: $9.74
Sony e-book: $13.49 (includes 10% discount)

Ken Blanchard, Customer Mania! (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0743270282/sr=1-1/qid=1145349197/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-3633081-6373745?%5Fencoding=UTF8&s=books)
List price hardcover: $19.95
Amazon price hardcover: $12.97
Amazon Microsoft Reader e-book: $9.74
Amazon Adobe Reader e-book: $9.74
Sony e-book: $13.49 (includes 10% discount)

Colm A. Kelleher, Brain Trust (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0743499352/sr=1-1/qid=1145349337/ref=sr_1_1/102-3633081-6373745?%5Fencoding=UTF8&s=books)
List price hardcover: $22.00
Amazon price hardcover: $14.30
Amazon Microsoft Reader e-book: $9.74
Sony e-book: $13.49 (includes 10% discount)

An Accidental Greek Wedding (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0743467639/sr=1-1/qid=1145349426/ref=sr_1_1/102-3633081-6373745?%5Fencoding=UTF8&s=books)
List price paperback: $6.99
Amazon price paperpack: $6.99
Amazon Microsoft Reader e-book: $5.99
Sony e-book: $3.59 (includes 40% discount)

I don't want to pay the hardback/paperback price when the cost to the publisher is minimal.

That would be nice and would be fair but it sure as heck is not realistic. This, like all pricing, is a matter of competition. Right now the only real mass competition for ebooks is mass print books so that is where ebooks will be priced until more competition appears. It is an economic no-brainer.

This would actually also have dependency on whether the publisher actually wanted the system to work,... in which case the price will lower until a balance between cost and consumer appreciation of product is reached. Ie: When they don't sell at the high cost, and considering Amazon already has feet in the e-book market, I would expect these prices to fall ... to some degree.

CCDMan, I'd agree with you if there weren't already competitors (e.g. Amazon) who offer e-books for considerably less than Sony.

That would be nice and would be fair but it sure as heck is not realistic. This, like all pricing, is a matter of competition. Right now the only real mass competition for ebooks is mass print books so that is where ebooks will be priced until more competition appears. It is an economic no-brainer.

Like Project Gutenberg - Free.
Like Blackmask Online - Free.

Yes, there is plenty of competition out there for low cost eBooks.

I think that derekweb hit it on the head:
This would actually also have dependency on whether the publisher actually wanted the system to work

In the eBook world publishers are obsolete.

Edit: Find some more comparisons further down this thread.

Details are sketchy at this point, but "librie guy" from the Yahoo! Librie list (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/librie/) managed to take a peak at the forthcoming Sony Connect Store (http://ebooks.connect.com) (host currently unavailable), and it appears - well, we didn't expect anything else - that Sony's proprietary e-books will cost you extra.

Example: Alan Dean Foster's The Light Years Beneath My Feet (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345461282/sr=8-1/qid=1145300571/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-3633081-6373745?%5Fencoding=UTF8)


Retail hardcover: $23.95
Amazon hardcover: $16.16
Amazon Mobipocket e-book: $17.95
Amazon Adobe Reader e-book: $11.67
Amazon Microsoft e-book: $11.67
Sony Connect e-book: $16.16 (includes a 10% "CONNECT discount")
Actually, it was I (Gameboy70) who posted this on the Yahoo Group, not Librie Guy. I pointed out on a follow-up post that Connect prices seem to be in flux. Crime and Punishment was listed for $5.95 last week when the site when live for a split second and was cached by an astute YG member. This week, the same title listed for $3.00. Sony and their respective content providers may be trying to gauge public reaction to different price points. Fluctuating the prices from the outset also allows them to reach an acceptable price without losing face.

Bear in mind, however, that the lower limit of what Sony can charge is really in the hands of publishers, not Sony. Typical publisher discounts to booksellers are 30-45% -- most often 40%. Megastores like B&N may be able to get over 50% in some cases by purchasing in volume. A small independent bookstore can only stock a few copies of an average title at one time. A chain can buy dozens in a single order, then ship a few to each of their individual stores. While here, we don't have the same issues with physical inventory, and Sony's probably getting a "click-through" commission, I doubt it's more than 50%. If Random House sells a hardcover-only book for $30, they're unlikely to settle for a $10 click-through on a $23 eBook sale price. Notice that Crime and Punishment is public domain, so Sony has the lattitude to experimentally cut the price in half. They wouldn't be able to do that with Alan Dean Foster's book. So yes, the margins on Connect are artifically high, unreasonably so, but not inexplicably.

In the eBook world publishers are obsolete.

Not by a long shot. Blogs and self-published authors immediately show why: lack of good editors.

Publishers also promote, at least in theory.

The publisher is not necessarily going to be disintermediated automatically, though their role is certainly going to change.

You know what I want with my ebook is a subscription based plan ala Netflix or Real Rhapsody. I want to pay $20 a month and have access to whatever books I want to read.

no way unregistered...I pay only for what I use!

It's bad enough that you have to pay for phone and cell, internet and stuff...

Sometimes I buy many books, sometimes none at all, sometimes I buy them here, sometimes there..I don't want a subsription because I like to be free to select my source, my content and my time and place.

Subscription kills competition in a way. Look at cellphone carriers...

Without those 2 year contracts the prices would have to go downwards a lot faster. But if you know you have your customers secured fo 2 years, why bother? nobody can simply leave and chosse the new, cheaper carrier anyway because they'd still have to pay their subscription fee for the full two years...
Am i the only person here who doesn't like the idea?

Am i the only person here who doesn't like the idea?

I don't like it.

From what I've seen, if there's plenty I want to buy, then the subscription plan works. But once I've got everything that I want, unless new content comes out fast, I won't get my money's worth.

Edit: Find some more comparisons further down this thread.

Details are sketchy at this point, but "librie guy" from the Yahoo! Librie list (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/librie/) managed to take a peak at the forthcoming Sony Connect Store (http://ebooks.connect.com) (host currently unavailable), and it appears - well, we didn't expect anything else - that Sony's proprietary e-books will cost you extra.

Example: Alan Dean Foster's The Light Years Beneath My Feet (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345461282/sr=8-1/qid=1145300571/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-3633081-6373745?%5Fencoding=UTF8)


Retail hardcover: $23.95
Amazon hardcover: $16.16
Amazon Mobipocket e-book: $17.95
Amazon Adobe Reader e-book: $11.67
Amazon Microsoft e-book: $11.67
Sony Connect e-book: $16.16 (includes a 10% "CONNECT discount")


Bottom line, Sony Connect charges for the e-book the same price as Amazon charges for the hardcover paper book. Worse, you can get the same e-book in Adobe Reader or Microsoft format for almost 40 percent less if purchased through Amazon.

With all the talk about Sony Connect becoming the future iTunes store for e-books, we can tell with absolute certainty that given this horrendous pricing model, they are going to fail.


I agree fully.

Worth noting....
Ereader.com - $14.54 Newsletter price
Fictionwise - $15.26 Club price

So do these fall somewhere north of mid-priced? Would I spend 15+ on a e-book? No. Ten... yes.

I think $9.99 is the sweet spot, with discounted and or back title books a little less.

Since the new e-book readers like the Irex reader and the sony reader both suport adobe pdf. will they be able to read the e-books sold on amazon.com? If thats the case, won't they have to price competitaly with amazon?

I think pricing should be around 10 for Hardcover (new), 5 for "paperback" and less for the "oldies".

This will happen...if:
- ebooks start appearing in large numbers
- People start using ereading devices instead of paper-books
- People start downloading ebooks illiegally "big-time"
- Authors and Publishers realize this

hehe ... so are they having a hardcover and paperback price for ebooks? :o ... and the hardcover price includes two pieces of cardboard to be shipped to user? :p

hehe ... so are they having a hardcover and paperback price for ebooks? :o ... and the hardcover price includes two pieces of cardboard to be shipped to user? :p

This is what I find so strangely humorous about the pricing of eBooks. Publishers still price them as though it costs them money to create them and as though they are scarce (i.e. limited print run) when eBooks are, by definition, neither.

This is why I believe that the publishers are seeking to scuttle eBooks before they can take off and that it will be the authors who don't get published that will create the eBook market.

The "killer book" won't be by any "big name" author alive today. It will either be because of a resurgence in a desire to read the big name authors who are dead (i.e. the ones that are out of copyright) or by contemporary unknown authors who can't get published but write good stuff.

Hi,

The difference is related to timing:

new books available only in hc/tp - acceptable price 10$ (no drm, multiformat, crossplatfrom of course)

older books available as pb (or new pb's) or as cheap used books - up to 6$

To this I would add
Earcs as Baen does (e- advanced reader's copies available at least 4-5 months prepub) - acceptable price 15$ with automatic access to the final ebook version.

Liviu


hehe ... so are they having a hardcover and paperback price for ebooks? :o ... and the hardcover price includes two pieces of cardboard to be shipped to user? :p