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bobcdy
08-31-2009, 01:38 AM
I just downloaded an epub file (Haggard, v. 16, by HarryT) and tried it on my Bebook with Lbook firmware. I was able to read it ok, but the TOC didn't seem to have any way to access it. The only way I could advance was to do a page by page advance - I tried using the Goto page no. option but this switched me into another file than the one I was reading (Haggard's trip to Cyprus). With mobi files if I press 'ok', there appears an option to 'follow link' but this is not visible with the epub, nor is there a TOC option shown by pressing the #7 key.

Perhaps I need to put back my original Bebook firmware; or maybe it's possible to install Adobe Digital Edition reader on my Bebook/Lbook firmware?
Does anyone know if this is possible, and if so, how to do it?

With HarryT switching to Epub from prc, its essential that I do something because his ebooks are so well formated and most of them are books I'd like to read!
Bob

AlexBell
08-31-2009, 03:25 AM
I just downloaded an epub file (Haggard, v. 16, by HarryT) and tried it on my Bebook with Lbook firmware. I was able to read it ok, but the TOC didn't seem to have any way to access it.

...

Bob

I have the very greatest respect for Harry for the enormous amount of work he has done as a moderator, in preparing ebooks, and in offering helpful advice.

But I wonder if part of the problem may be that he (so far as I know) converts his ePubs through Calibre from books prepared in mobipocket prc format.

It seems to me that mobipocket's adherence to HTML standards is limited and idiosyncratic, while ePub demands strict adherence to HTML standards. And ePub has strict requirements for tables of contents. I am not at all sure that Calibre does or can correct the all deficiencies of mobipocket when converting to ePub.

This is a long winded way of saying that it may not be a hardware problem. For what it is worth I have similar problems on ny ECO reader with the TOCs in ePubs which have been converted rather than hand made, but far fewer problems on the same reader with ePubs which have been hand made.

One way of testing my hypothesis would be to find out whether there are ePub readers using different firmware which can make the TOCs in converted ePubs work.

Regards, Alex

JSWolf
08-31-2009, 09:17 AM
The problem is not how the book was made. The problem is the firmware. I don't know if it's a problem across all version of the V3 hardware or not. But it is a problem on the BeBook firmware and the Eco firmware.

ADE for Windows works and so does ADE for Sony.

bobcdy
08-31-2009, 03:20 PM
Thanks for info. I should have mentioned that the ebook I had trouble with was an omnibus with 3 volumes. The 'catalog' obtained by the no. 7 key allowed me to select which of the three volumes I wanted to read, but when in that specific volume the no. 7 key did not work with its TOC but rather went back to the TOC of the omnibus. Thus the only way to advance within a specific volume was page-by-page, or with Goto page number (but I got an error - going to the correct page but from a different volume in the omnibus). I tried a second omnibus and had the same problem with the individual volume TOCs.

The TOC seemed to work fine on single volume epubs. Thus the problem seems to reside with multivolume ebooks, those that mobi handled very well.
Bob

wallcraft
08-31-2009, 03:39 PM
This is probably due to Hanlin's ADE not following hyperlinks in ePub. The 1st level TOC is an ePub TOC, but the 2nd level is just hyperlinks on a standard page. I think 2-level ePub TOCs are possible, and would be handled by Hanlin's ADE ePub, but the lack of hyperlink capability is a serious oversight in the ADE port and I am surprised that Adobe "certified" the Hanlin port.

bobcdy
08-31-2009, 04:13 PM
Thanks Wallcraft - it looks like the only way to go to a specific chapter is by page-by-page advance.

I have Adobe Digital Editions on my PC and opened the Haggard omnibus. ADE acts the same as my Bebook - on ADE there is a 'Catalog' on the right side of the screen next to the ebook page - this showed the 3 volumes in the ebook. When I chose a specific volume using the catalog, it opened but there was no catalog accompanying the text. With ADE there seemed to be no way to go to a specific chapter in the volume, so it is no easier to read an omnibus with ADE on a PC than with my Bebook.
Bob

JSWolf
08-31-2009, 05:24 PM
When you click on a specific book on the left side, you get taken to that book. Two or three pages in is an internal ToC. The internal ToC works fine with ADE for Windows and ADE on the 505. Now to make this better would have been to have a second level set of ToC under the main ToC in the external ToC. But it does work fine as is. Seems Hanlin's ADE is buggy in that it doesn't follow internal links.

I think (if I am not mistaken) that this bug is central to the V3 and clones. If so, get all the MR owners to bug the heck out of Hanlin ot get this fixed.

bobcdy
08-31-2009, 07:23 PM
Thanks JSWolf,
Thanks for the info! ADE works fine once I go to the internal TOC; all I have to do is click on the link with my mouse.

But of course with BeBook there is no touch screen and so there is no way to access those links. Perhaps (?) someday Lbook will upgrade their firmware to suitably use epub but right now epub is seriously handicapped on the Bebook.

bobcdy
08-31-2009, 07:48 PM
I had posted a similar question about epubs on the Bebook forum, and received a surprising response. One responder indicated that he had a DRM epub that showed the 2nd level TOC for a specific volume of an omnibus, whereas another responsder indicated that he had the same results as I had with an omnibus. Both were using a Bebook reader.

These different responses imply that my problem with omnibus epubs results because they are not formatted correctly to take advantage of the 2 level TOCs, but that such formatting is possible. My downloaded omnibus epubs work fine with the 1st level TOC, but fail on the 2nd level omnibus component volume TOC.

The question is how to format an epub so that it works correctly. I develop my epubs from importing to Calibre the htm generated by Book Designer. I think that this may be what many of the MobilRead omnibus ebook makers do (?), and this doesn't seem to work. But there must be some way to get the proper formatting (perhaps an option in Calibre?). Does anyone know how to do this?
Bob

JSWolf
08-31-2009, 08:00 PM
bobcdy, the Haggard omnibus you downloaded does not have a 2nd level external ToC. The external ToC is just fine. It's not made with a 2nd level.

Isn't there a way to select multiple links on a given page with the BeBook? Can you use the 8 & 9 buttons?

bobcdy
08-31-2009, 08:19 PM
Jon,
No, after I went to the 3rd vol. of the Haggard omnibus, to its TOC, I tried everything to access it. The #7 key gives the omnibus contents (the 3 volumes) regardless of where the reading page is when the key is pressed. The 9/0 are back/forward, the 8 is increase size of font, 1-6 don't do anything when accessing an epub.

Actually, I perhaps used incorrectly terminology in referring to the volume TOC, but none the less, it must be a formatting issue causing the different behavior of epubs as outlined in my last post.
Bob

wallcraft
08-31-2009, 08:54 PM
Isn't there a way to select multiple links on a given page with the BeBook? There is a method for all (?) formats except ePub. You select "follow link" and each link on the page is numbered, then you type in the number of the link you want. This approach may not be simple to implement with the ADE SDK, but I'm sure Jinke can do it.

bobcdy
09-01-2009, 12:39 AM
Just downloaded Jelby's epub production of Lewis Carroll's 'Sylvie and Bruno' and ran it on my Bebook. The ebook is actually composed of two separate volumes, and when the Bebook key #7 is pressed a catalog appears that shows the two volume titles with a little + beside each title. If one chooses either, the volume TOC appears. The catalog also gives options to choose the title page, and a list of the illustrations. Great!

This seems to be a perfect example of how an omnibus epub should be formatted. In addition, he did a great job with the numerous images.
Now, if only he would produce a tutorial on how he produces his epubs...
Bob

HarryT
09-01-2009, 03:46 AM
The problem is not how the book was made. The problem is the firmware. I don't know if it's a problem across all version of the V3 hardware or not. But it is a problem on the BeBook firmware and the Eco firmware.

It does appear to be, yes. The BeBook, Hanlin V3, and Astak EZ Reader all have this problem of not supporting hyperlinks. It doesn't only affect TOCs - it also means that there's no way to access hyperlinked endnotes.

ADE for Windows works and so does ADE for Sony.

As does the CyBook Opus.

This is, IMHO, a huge shortcoming in the Jinke implementations of ADE.

Jellby
09-01-2009, 05:44 AM
Now, if only he would produce a tutorial on how he produces his epubs...

Hmm... I do it by hand, so just open it and see how it's done ;)

bobcdy
09-01-2009, 09:16 AM
Jelby,
Thanks for the info. I have already opened it but it really, really looks complicated to do by hand. I've done a small bit of html coding but no xml/xhtml, and I wouldn't even know how to start. I'll look into it more.
Bob

bobcdy
09-01-2009, 09:33 AM
HarryT,
I agree it is a firmware problem, but with jelby-type formatting it seems that the firmware problem can be gotten around at least for the TOCs. Other aspects of 'Sylvie and Bruno' cannot be accessed by my Bebook - for example with links between the list of illustrations and the images. With my PC AdobeDE, these links work.

I guess I much prefer the mobi format compared to epub for most novels because of the ease of production using Book Designer and Mobi Pocket Creator, as your tutorial made so accessible to beginners like me.
Bob

HarryT
09-01-2009, 09:58 AM
Yes, until Jinke make hyperlinks work in ePub files, you are probably better off with the Mobi versions of books.

JSWolf
09-01-2009, 10:41 AM
Harry, What bodcdy wants is for your Haggard omnibus editions in epUb to be redone so the external ToC is multilevel. That way, he won't need the non-working internal ToC. And I do agree having a multilevel external ToC would make the book better regardless of the internal links working or not. It means (for example on a Sony) that I could use the external ToC to see what page a given chapter starts/ends.

HarryT
09-01-2009, 12:31 PM
I'm afraid that's not going to happen - at least in the short term. If anyone wishes to create a multi-level TOC for them and re-post, they are very welcome to do so.

tompe
09-01-2009, 01:30 PM
This is probably due to Hanlin's ADE not following hyperlinks in ePub. The 1st level TOC is an ePub TOC, but the 2nd level is just hyperlinks on a standard page. I think 2-level ePub TOCs are possible, and would be handled by Hanlin's ADE ePub, but the lack of hyperlink capability is a serious oversight in the ADE port and I am surprised that Adobe "certified" the Hanlin port.

If it should not have been certified that should be reported to Adobe so they can apply pressure to get this fixed.

HarryT
09-01-2009, 02:01 PM
It applies to all Jinke devices, both 6" and 5", including the new Hanlin V5 (and almost certainly its clone, the Astak EZ Reader Pro, too).

bobcdy
09-01-2009, 04:21 PM
HarryT,
I wasn't really asking for you to redo the Haggard Omnibus ebooks - after all, you did the same volumes some time ago in prc. I guess what I was requesting is for new epubs to address the multilevel external links as JSWolf suggested. Of course, I don't know how to do this because my knowledge of producing epub stops at Book Designer and Calibre. I certainly don't know how to do epubs by hand, although I probably will work on learning how.
Bob

bobcdy
09-01-2009, 06:54 PM
Using Calibre to convert the Haggard prc omnibus, I found under the Table of Contents page of Calibre, that checking the 'Force use of auto-generated table of contents' box, led to an odd but usable level 1 catalog that is usable on Bebook. The catalog lists the 3 volumes and then in the different chapters of each volume, that is (vol1) chapter 1, chapter 2...(vol2) chapter 1, chapter2... etc.

There's also an option in Calibre to set the level 2 TOC but I don't know how to insert the proper filter expression for the ebook.
Bob