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formerroadie

08-16-2009, 03:22 PM

I'm new to E-reading and just ordered mine as well (directly from Sony). I requested a credit card from them earlier this month - it gives a refund of $100 off the first $299 purchase. So, I ordered the 600 Touch. It's supposed to ship August 31.

I "lurked" around the forum, and y'all helped with my decision. It was great to be able to read the manual before ordering (and I would never have done that without your help!)

I'm looking forward to the notes/draw feature, in this part of Kansas, directions to get anywhere usually involve a bit of "drawing."

This is only my second post (my first was in the introductions), so HI everybody. Thanks for being around.

Yo Aubie!

Yeah, I'm excited. Us newbies seem to be getting into the market after Sony's first effort, which I think is good. Hopefully the 600 will be a great improvement over the 700. I just can't wait to stop printing articles and having a search function for my articles. That's going to rock.

Grandma Aubbie

08-16-2009, 09:05 PM

Yo Aubie!

Yeah, I'm excited. Us newbies seem to be getting into the market after Sony's first effort, which I think is good. Hopefully the 600 will be a great improvement over the 700. I just can't wait to stop printing articles and having a search function for my articles. That's going to rock.

It's 25 miles to the nearest town for me - and no guarantee Target will have them in stock here in the near future. :chinscratch: So, I went ahead based on Sony's announcement.

I already have my ebook library set up, I've applied for my Kansas digital library card so I can download from there, AND Sony politely sent me my "charger" which is waiting to do its job. I have a 2G SD card I'm going to use, will wait to hear from others before purchasing anything larger. I will probably be sitting on my front porch waiting for FedEx the day it's due. :rolleyes:

rjfarrell

08-16-2009, 09:50 PM

Ervserver

08-16-2009, 11:24 PM

I think you will love it

I just pre-ordered the red PRS-600. It's my first e-reader and I'm stoked! Looking forward to getting into a new world of tech.

zacheryjensen

08-17-2009, 06:03 AM

When I pre-ordered my PRS-700 a month in advance of release, it actually shipped 10 days earlier than they said. I was floored.

So just maybe you all will be lucky:)

I am making myself wait a bit on this one. I just cannot find an absolute reason to replace the 505. Fine piece of machine, that one!

I had a 505, I loved it, then I saw the Kindle and how it sync'd with my iPhone Kindle and et al and I couldn't resist so I sold the 505 and got a Kindle 2. It's ok. It's hideously designed, like using an old office phone or something, and the screen is nowhere nearly as nice looking as the 505's and it ghosts all the time, etc. Very disappointing after owning a 505.

Then 1984 happened.

Now I'm surely moving off the Kindle and Amazon in general, but, I know I will miss one thing about the kindle, and no, it's not the stupid wireless purchasing, I've never once been able to use that because the interface is painful, worst ever. It's faster for me to just browse amazon.com on my iPhone, seriously. No, it's the damn annotations! I will miss that. So I'm going to consider a PRS-600. That or wait for the Plastik Logic because I'd really like a larger form factor, I'm just worried that with BN involved they'll strip out the useful features like ADE ePub support :(

So anyway, I think there's a few things the 505 could use. It's just a shame that everyone's moving to lower quality E-Ink panels just to get a few more useless shades of gray out of them.

igorsk

08-17-2009, 06:48 AM

It's just a shame that everyone's moving to lower quality E-Ink panels just to get a few more useless shades of gray out of them.
Um, what?

formerroadie

08-17-2009, 01:12 PM

I had a 505, I loved it, then I saw the Kindle and how it sync'd with my iPhone Kindle and et al and I couldn't resist so I sold the 505 and got a Kindle 2. It's ok. It's hideously designed, like using an old office phone or something, and the screen is nowhere nearly as nice looking as the 505's and it ghosts all the time, etc. Very disappointing after owning a 505.

Then 1984 happened.

Now I'm surely moving off the Kindle and Amazon in general, but, I know I will miss one thing about the kindle, and no, it's not the stupid wireless purchasing, I've never once been able to use that because the interface is painful, worst ever. It's faster for me to just browse amazon.com on my iPhone, seriously. No, it's the damn annotations! I will miss that. So I'm going to consider a PRS-600. That or wait for the Plastik Logic because I'd really like a larger form factor, I'm just worried that with BN involved they'll strip out the useful features like ADE ePub support :(

So anyway, I think there's a few things the 505 could use. It's just a shame that everyone's moving to lower quality E-Ink panels just to get a few more useless shades of gray out of them.

Yeah, I avoided the Kindle for a number of reasons. I like Sony for the most part. They tend to push the envelope on tech and improve when they miss the mark. We will see.

What is "1984"?

Edit: Oh I know what that is. Them taking back the book electronically. Yeah, that was an issue for me too in terms of figuring out my purchase decisions.

formerroadie

08-20-2009, 08:30 PM

The wait is officially killing me!!!!!

oliverh72

08-20-2009, 09:49 PM

Hi all,

My Sony store had the 300 & 600 in today - demo models. My wife bought me a 505 last week for my birthday so I brought mine in, thinking that I might exchange it for the 600, paying the difference.

The guy at the counter let me take pics and a video with my mobile phone, which was pretty nice of him. This was in Calgary, Canada, btw.

The things I was looking for specifically were:

- was the text as clear and easy to read as the 505?
- is the touchscreen worth the lack of cover and the extra price?
- what is the glare like? as in, did they fix it from the 700?

In addition, I wanted to see the neoprene sleeve and see the other apps (dictionary), etc. Essentially just play with it a bit.

Here's my impressions.

- The text is NOT as clear and crisp as the 505. Take a look at the 700 and it's really about that same.
- The touch screen is nice and pretty well done. You can change the direction of the page turn motion, which I thought was a nice touch. Frankly, although it seems reversed, right to left seems the most natural (book-like) to go to the next page, not the other way around, which is the default.
- The touchscreen for the menus is just slick. For all those that own a 700, you already know this. Well implemented, no tiny click areas, just easy to use.
- The glare. Yeah. It is much worse than on the 505. Basically, if you have a harsh light somewhere nearby and it is angled such, you will not be able to read anything on the screen. Now, this is really the case on the 505 as well - if the light is directly on the screen, you still need to shift the reader to continue reading. The difference is with the ambient light. With the 505, unless it is a harsh light, the ambient reflections aren't really noticeable - not so with the 600. It's pretty much like the 700... removing the backlight apparently isn't the issue - it's the touchscreen. Sorry to burst anyone's bubble about that. Still, it isn't awful, so if you were going to/already have bought this, don't stress over it unless the amount of glare on the 700 was a HUGE issue for you and you were hoping it'd be better. It's not, that much.
- The sleeve is actually pretty good. Squishy, like they are. Reasonably protective. It won't fall out if you're holding it - it's not that slippery inside. I still prefer the leather (leatherette?) cover - I just think it looks more classy and makes you feel more like you're reading a book, but that might just be me.

All in all, it feels a heckuva lot like the 505. Similar dimensions, weight, and menu/UI functionality. So.... I kept my 505. The differences boiled down to better functionality with the touchscreen but with a screen that was less crisp and more prone to glare. It would have cost me $50 to upgrade plus the cost of a cover for $40... so $90 CAD total.

Other things of note:

- the red version isn't the same red as the 505. It's the only one I got to play with and it doesn't come out so well in the following pics, but it's a pinkier red rather than the rich deep blood red of the 505. Subtle, but noticeable.
- The "faster page turns" of the 600 were not noticeable at all to me. I even took a video which I've linked to here. Sorry - it's a cell phone video so you can really just seen the screen flash, no detail, but it gives you the idea. This might be better when viewing PDFs, but for the default LRF book that was on there, it was really about the same as far as I could tell.
- The 5 font sizes ... the S,M,L sizes are the same as the 505 - only the XL and XXL are different and they are simply so huge as to be unusable. And this comes from someone with pretty poor eyes that actually reads on L most of the time.

Hope this has helped people with a decision.

Video: http://www.positivebias.com/prs600.mov

Oliver

formerroadie

08-20-2009, 10:52 PM

Well, I had to have the ability to take notes and highlight. Terribly important. I actually would have went 505 if that was possible. I hope the screen is good.... I've never used a 700. People have said that I will love it, so I will remain optimistic. I have no point of reference ;). Plus, I need to be able to read it for a while and not feel like I'm reading a computer screen. I read 100's of electronic journal articles and am tired of printing and storing them.

Thanks much for the info Oliver!

* I'm taking it that the resolution on your camera was such that the screens were blurred.

Wetdogeared

08-20-2009, 11:13 PM

Thanks Oliver, nice first post. :thumbsup:

In Canada, in Calgary, who'd a thought this would be the first live glimpse of the new Sony models?

If you're in that neighbourhood again, it would be great to see some pics of the note-taking abilities of the PRS-600, using the stylus freehand, that I thought it is supposed to be able to do.

Some members might also like a pic of the PRS-300 if you have any.

WetDogEared (WDE)

oliverh72

08-21-2009, 12:13 AM

I don't think you or anyone will be disappointed with the quality of the screen on the 600. It really is nice and sharp. Unless you have it sitting right next to the 505, you wouldn't even know that there's anything better. I just happened to have them side by side so could tell the difference.

I didn't test the notes and highlighting, but from what I've seen/read online, it looks like it'll do that great.

Yep, it was just a camera in my phone, so none of the photos came out very clear or sharp, hence the blurriness.

I didn't actually take any of the 300 though did have a pink one on hand. I should have thought to do that. Whoops. :)

If I'm by there on the weekend, I'll try to remember to bring my point and shoot to take some better ones.

Oliver

lukasfikr

08-21-2009, 12:19 AM

2 Oliverh72

Where in Calgary? - Deerfoot Mall or Market Mall?

frozennorth

08-21-2009, 12:40 AM

Thanks for the pictures Oliver. It is a major letdown for me. I was so hoping that Sony was able to solve the screen issues. Especially with them commenting toward that effect. :blink: I definitely will check it out personally before making a final decision. If the screen is as bad as on the 700 it will be a no go for me, even though I would really love the dictionary and search functions. I guess I'll find out in another 5 days.

08-21-2009, 01:21 AM

Thanks for the photos and report. I had the impression that the new red would look a bit washed-out compared to the 'Sangria' red of the 505.

A bit of a shame about the screen. I don't think it would be a problem for me, but I was interested in the 700 because of the build-in lights, and if it's not the light that is problem.... Oh, well :)

Juliette

08-21-2009, 02:47 AM

Thank you Oliver, very nice review :) I'm so looking forward! And maybe some screen protection will make up for the issues? Let's just hope...

:thanks:

Dave Berk

08-21-2009, 03:08 AM

Thanks, Oliver. You've just saved me some money and made me pissed... :) I really wanted to like the 600, but if the screen is worse that the 505 it's a no go...

Journier

08-21-2009, 03:37 AM

I'm excited for you newbies. You will love ebooks. And, what a neat device to start out on. My first device was an REB 1100 and it had handwriting recognition and an onboard dictionary as well. Although I love the Sony devices, none of them have offered those features until now. I am anticipating getting my own as well. Looking forward to seeing what you guys think.

Wetdogeared

08-21-2009, 08:40 AM

Thanks again for your post Oliver. I was so excited on your find that I forgot to ask all the right questions last night.

The screen clarity was probably the most on peoples minds. Hopefully there is a *bit* of improvement over the PRS-700, just hoping. Maybe the screen problems that were mentioned being fixed were the dust spots, which are no longer a problem without the lighting.

The way it takes notes/annotations was probably the next question on *my* mind. I hope you get a chance to have another look at it again on the weekend; and some pics of the PRS-300 would be great.

And how could I forget the dictionary lookup? :smack: Everyone want to know how how the dictionary function looks, especially those of us who have never had it.

Thanks again, WDE.

wachuko

08-21-2009, 09:01 AM

Thank you Oliver!!

porkupan

08-21-2009, 10:57 AM

- The text is NOT as clear and crisp as the 505. Take a look at the 700 and it's really about that same.
- The glare. Yeah. It is much worse than on the 505. Basically, if you have a harsh light somewhere nearby and it is angled such, you will not be able to read anything on the screen. Now, this is really the case on the 505 as well - if the light is directly on the screen, you still need to shift the reader to continue reading. The difference is with the ambient light. With the 505, unless it is a harsh light, the ambient reflections aren't really noticeable - not so with the 600. It's pretty much like the 700... removing the backlight apparently isn't the issue - it's the touchscreen.
Wow! That's terrible news, just absolutely terrible... :( I guess, Sony engineers really don't listen to the public then, do they? What was the purpose of removing the front light if no screen improvement came out of it?

I guess, Sony really doesn't learn its lessons, does it?

Wetdogeared

08-21-2009, 11:02 AM

...What was the purpose of removing the front light if no screen improvement came out of it?...
I can only assume it was the only way to solve the dust spot problem, thus reducing the number of returns/repairs/replacements.

oliverh72

08-21-2009, 11:12 AM

Hi all,

Thanks very much for your responses. For those in Calgary that would like to see them, they are at the Sunridge mall location, though I suspect that all stores might have them - you have to ask. They are not out on display, but in a drawer at the till.

I think what I'm going to do is go back there this morning with my point and shoot camera (I have an SLR, but that's overkill :D) and take some similar shots with it next to the 700, and the 505, showing the screen specifically. I'll also take some shots of the 300 for those interested. I hope the clarity of the screens will come out in the photos.

To reiterate - the screen on the 600 is NOT poor. It just simply is not as crisp as the 505. I'm pretty certain this is not due to intention on Sony's part, but simply due to the film they have to put over top of it for the touchscreen capabilities. So if you want a touchscreen, the clarity suffers - it's a tradeoff. I simply felt that after seeing the difference, the tradeoff isn't worth it for me. Some people might choose otherwise, because frankly, it's still really good. Just don't go look at it next to the 505. :P

Oliver

porkupan

08-21-2009, 11:14 AM

I can only assume it was the only way to solve the dust spot problem, thus reducing the number of returns/repairs/replacements.
The very fact of a PRS-505 and PRS-700 sitting next to each other in the Borders Sony Reader kiosk reduced the number of returns/repair/replacements of the PRS-700. People didn't want to buy PRS-700, and the display quality was the issue! They were selling more last year's PRS-505's than PRS-700. All because of the contrast issues and glare. So, unless Sony wishes to market PRS-600 against PRS-300 with the assumption that people will buy more of the cheaper readers, which in addition to costing less have a better screen, I don't understand the point.

Perhaps I need to see the PRS-600 with my own eyes before making a decision. But if it's anywhere near the PRS-700, Sony's ebook reader business is in big trouble. Just my 2 cents.

JSWolf

08-21-2009, 11:15 AM

The problem with eink screens is that auto focus most times won't work with them. So make sure your camera has manual focus to get clear shots.

SHOECHICK

08-21-2009, 12:11 PM

dordale

08-21-2009, 12:16 PM

Oliver, from what you saw yesterday (and I'll check out Vancouver's Sony store this morning) which one would you recommend? 300, 600 or the 505 for someone buying new? Obviously you stuck with the 505 for a reason and I love mine. I want one for my husband and really don't know the best way to go. If I bought the 600, I'd keep it and give him my 505 but if it's no better, it's $100 cheaper to just buy another 505.

Tx

Shoechick--I haven't seen a 600 yet, but my husband has a 700 and I have a 505. I love the touchscreen interface on my husband's 700, but as we all know the screen quality isn't the best. It is usable though. I'm hopeful that the 600's screen quality is a little better than the 700--if so I'll be tempted to buy one. I'm going to wait until I can see one myself to judge. But, for me the convenience of a touch screen, ability to zoom, create annotations, and a built in dictionary would be worth a little loss of clarity.

dordale :)

formerroadie

08-21-2009, 12:37 PM

08-21-2009, 12:44 PM

I think what I'm going to do is go back there this morning with my point and shoot camera (I have an SLR, but that's overkill :D) and take some similar shots with it next to the 700, and the 505, showing the screen specifically. I'll also take some shots of the 300 for those interested. I hope the clarity of the screens will come out in the photos.

Karma coming your way. It's really great you've taken the time for this :)

lev

08-21-2009, 01:08 PM

hi all,

well, after reading Oliver's short preview I'm a bit bummed...:(
I'm hoping that there is some improvement from the 700. otherwise a 700 might be a better buy since you get light and a decent cover. esp if they come out with software upgrade for the dictionary and taking notes...

just when I was looking forward to my silver 600!! ( thanks to Ea..;) )

astra

08-21-2009, 01:33 PM

Thanks, Oliver. You've just saved me some money and made me pissed... :) I really wanted to like the 600, but if the screen is worse that the 505 it's a no go...

Ditto :(

oliverh72
Thanks.

wachuko

08-21-2009, 01:36 PM

lev

08-21-2009, 01:40 PM

It will be my first reader :book2: ... I am still buying the 600... Silver with, if they have it, brown leather cover. :2thumbsup

it will be my first reader too. same color and also looking for the brown cover once borders have them on their site :(
still I was hoping that the screen would be closer to 505 than 700 as I saw the 505 screen and thought it was great.

lisreed

08-21-2009, 02:38 PM

Thanks for the info Oliver! I had a 505 which I recently sold and was debating between the 600 & the Cybook Opus. I don't really have a need for the more advanced features of the 600 but would like the idea of a touchscreen. I had a 700 for a brief time (returned it because of the glare) so I was hoping this would be a great improvement. Although in all fairness the pictures do look like its better than the 700. Its hard to say. But if I can see my reflection looking back at me while I read I will pass on it. Yesterday I had finally decided on the opus anyway do to its a bit cheaper & like the ability to have more font sizes. I find the font sizes on the SONY either to big or too small for the most part.

ru.ereader

08-21-2009, 02:47 PM

If screen quality on PRS-600 is about the same as on PRS-700 what was the point of discontinuing of PRS-700 which IN ADDITION has built-in light ?

oliverh72

08-21-2009, 03:08 PM

Hi all,

Okay I went and took another look and took some better photos. You can see all the photos here: http://www.positivebias.com/ebooks/ including some taken directly next to the prs700. After seeing them side by side again, I would say that the 600 is better than the 700, marginally. The 300 and 505 are definitely crisper though, and handle glare much better, as you can see in the first 2 photos in the gallery.

I'm also uploading a much longer video which shows the 505, 300 and 600 side by side with a good example of the different colors of the readers as well as how they handle glare.

I was even considering the 300 until I saw that it is plastic all the way along the edge as opposed to shiny metal like all the others. I guess they have to hit a price point somehow, right?

The movie can be found here: http://www.positivebias.com/ebooks/ebookreaders.mov at about 1:30 MST (Central)... sorry, it's still uploading.

I'll field any question I can answer, if people have them.

Oliver

Andanzas

08-21-2009, 03:29 PM

SHOECHICK

08-21-2009, 03:34 PM

I'm such a girl, I love that Pink :)

porkupan

08-21-2009, 03:44 PM

The screen quality of PRS-600 doesn't look too bad. I think the bright lights in the SonyStyle store don't help.

From the video I noticed that the sample texts on both PRS-300 and PRS-600 are EPUB. And they are not right justified, so that bug must have not been fixed.

bhs

08-21-2009, 03:45 PM

Other than the glare issue, 600 looks good and is acceptable to me. Hmm... I will get a 600!

Juliette

08-21-2009, 03:53 PM

Thank you for the pics! It's not too crisp, but it look all right for my needs, and the red, while not that vibrant, is really lovely. Also, I never had the opportunity of seeing a 700, but from your photos the difference is quite heavy, and decidedly on 600's favour.

JSWolf

08-21-2009, 04:06 PM

komugi

08-21-2009, 04:07 PM

Thanks a lot for the pictures! I guess I'll have to see one in person, as to me the PRS-600 doesn't look just "marginally" better than the PRS-700 in your pics. In my opinion it looks quite better, actually.

I think it only looks marginally better. It isn't the same as PRS-505, if it was the same as PRS-505, in terms of crisp text, I would toss my 700 in a minute. But looking at 600/700, I think I'll keep my 700 simply because the text is still blurred.

wachuko

08-21-2009, 04:33 PM

Seems Sony in Canada is doing well... all PRS-600 currently out of stock

lisreed

08-21-2009, 04:43 PM

In case any one missed it another member has purchased the PRS-600 in Canada and has some pictures and a video. Really shows the glare issues.

http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53370&page=10

SHOECHICK

08-21-2009, 04:50 PM

Seems Sony in Canada is doing well... all PRS-600 currently out of stock

Wow, that's changed in the last 1/2 hour, hopefully they're lowering their price!! I went to our local Sony Store this morning and they're stock hasn't arrived yet, they're getting 6 of each colour.

Madam Broshkina

08-21-2009, 05:21 PM

For those who ordered through the Sony Store and want to cancel you can call 1-877-731-7669. They will ask you for your order number and the reason you are canceling. I think that I will stick with my 505 and Kindle 2 for now. Save my money for the new Plastic Logic reader or if Sony comes out with a wireless non touch screen model or a larger reader in the future. I will check out the 600 in the stores and might reconsider if I like it.

Andanzas

08-21-2009, 05:25 PM

I think it only looks marginally better. It isn't the same as PRS-505, if it was the same as PRS-505, in terms of crisp text, I would toss my 700 in a minute. But looking at 600/700, I think I'll keep my 700 simply because the text is still blurred.

After seeing the side-by-side comparison posted by doodlydood, I have to agree with you. Too bad, I was really tempted by the 600. :(

oliverh72

08-21-2009, 09:21 PM

Shoechick, and for those still deciding...

IMO, if you're looking for something with the functionality(touchscreen) of the 700 and you still want decently crisp and readable text, the 600 is fantastic. As I mentioned before, it IS better than the 700, just not as crisp as the 505/300.. it's really right in the middle. And the glare is more harsh than on the 505/300, but still probably not *quite* as bad as the 700 (I've not owned one and only played with it for a few minutes).

I decided to keep the 505 for a few reasons. The screen and text resolution is simply second to none. It is CRISP and the background "paper" seems whiter than those with a touchscreen, so to me, it felt much more like I was reading a book. I liked that it comes with the case as I bought a $20 LED "Mighty Bright" light for it that needs a cover to clip to. It works fantastic and I highly recommend it - Chapters/Coles/Indigo for us Canadians. Thirdly, and perhaps most importantly, I'd have to pay more to get a 600 AND then buy a case AND wait for it to arrive. All those factors combined made me think that the extras I'd get - touchscreen, note-taking and the dictionary didn't make up for those negatives. So I stuck with the 505.

Another minor thing I noticed that may/may not be a big deal... the 600 & 300 are both thicker than the 505. The 505 is about 1/3 thinner than either of them. Not sure how they pulled that off. :D

For those that already have an ebook reader and are considering/pre-ordering the 600 in the hopes that it will be SO much better, hold off if you can. You may be a tiny bit disappointed. Yes, it's better, but wait till you see it in person to judge. I suspect that you'll stick with your current one, if text crispness is an issue.

Oliver

wachuko

08-21-2009, 09:47 PM

I went to the local SonyStyle store and was able to compare the 505 with the 700...

It must be the first time I don't buy the latest available gadget... I bought the 505.

The difference in the quality of the text was beyond my ability to justify getting the 700 or 600 (based on the video and photos I saw here) for their additional cool features. The glare and lack of crisp text just made it difficult to wait for the 600 or buy the 700. As much as I loved the touch screen I just could not bear reading from it.

Thank you everyone. Now to buy and download a few books, wooohoooo!!!

doodlydood

08-21-2009, 09:51 PM

Hello to all. I've spent the evening with the PRS-505 and PRS-600 next to each other. Read the same book on both flipping back and forth under different lighting conditions. Inside, outside, bedroom, throne, office and family room.

I really *want* to like the PRS-600. It's sexier, has better navigation (love the swipe to change pages), is beautifully speedy, and well, it's a new toy.

At the end of the day, though, reading is about clarity. I spend ~1hr/day on my 505; after 20 minutes on the PRS-600 I could see that eye fatigue would be an issue.

bhs

08-21-2009, 09:53 PM

Shoechick, and for those still deciding...
...
Thirdly, and perhaps most importantly, I'd have to pay more to get a 600 AND then buy a case AND wait for it to arrive.
...
Oliver

As pointed out by Aubbie earlier, there is a US$100 credit offer, which could bring down the cost of 600 for 'some' US residents to $199.99 before tax. Good luck! :)

afv011

08-22-2009, 02:27 AM

I'm on the same boat, I was looking forward to the 600, but I have doubts after the video showing the glare, quite a disappointment. I'll check it at the local SonyStyle this weekend though.

joe_video

08-22-2009, 08:31 AM

... just received my PRS-600 yesterday. No regrets !!! I was worried about the screen reflection problem reported on the PRS-700. I found the screen clear and slightly reflective (which is OK and very acceptable for a touch unit - my GPS does the same and my laptop is even worst !). It recognizes my Kingston 16GB SD HC Card, the PDF handling and reflow is excellent. There is no cover but rather a pocket to store the unit. All the features worked has expected except the library software which for some reasons my computer was aborting execution. The problem was easy resolved by downloading the latest version from Sony store. If I had to give a rating, it would be 4.5 stars (on a max of 5). Hope it may help !!! :2thumbsup

mtravellerh

08-22-2009, 09:37 AM

zelda_pinwheel

08-22-2009, 09:39 AM

i would love to hear how the dictionary works from someone who has gotten a 600.

rjfarrell

08-22-2009, 09:54 AM

Folks, let me offer an opinion on the 505 vs 700 screens. I have owned both.

I first bought the 700 because it was the newest model, and I generally go with the latest "bestest" gadget. I remember the moment it arrived at my door, I opened the box, and looked at the screen and I drew a breath. It was soupy green. I was sorely dissappointed. I tried living with it for about 6 months. Just couldnt get past the clarity and brightness. So I bought a 505. Which I totally adore. Perfect device.

I gave the 700 to a gal at work who really reads as much as I do, but as a single mom could never afford to buy one. She LOVES it. She reads without the sidelights on. I could never do that. I asked her if the screen color bothered her, and she looked at me quite quizzically. I did not show her the 505 screen. I do not want her to know the difference.

So in the end, the screen color and clarity will bother many of us. And not others. But I do wish the 600 was not in the same boat. Sort of. Saves me from the incredible urge to buy one! I will be keeping the 505, and praying they clean this up before my next purchase.

joe_video

08-22-2009, 10:00 AM

i would love to hear how the dictionary works from someone who has gotten a 600.
... from the user Guide : "In the book page, double-tap the desired word. The pop-up menu appears, in which the headline of the word definition is displayed."

zelda_pinwheel

08-22-2009, 10:05 AM

... from the user Guide : "In the book page, double-tap the desired word. The pop-up menu appears, in which the headline of the word definition is displayed."

thanks joe_video, i did see that already in the guide. i'd be interested to know whether it's fast or slow, how easy it is to browse through, how good the dictionary support seems to be (what happens if you tap a conjugated verb ? does it find it ? what about plural forms of words ? if it doesn't find the word, does it suggest close options ? can you look up a word manually by typing it in ?), maybe a photo of the screen showing a definition...

joe_video

08-22-2009, 10:12 AM

Does ePub have full justification?
Yes, it has reflow capability

mtravellerh

08-22-2009, 10:31 AM

Yes, it has reflow capability

It always had. In the 505 and 700, the mobile ADE (1st gen) didn't have the capability to display ePubs in block justification. The new generation of ADE does have this capability (and reflow, of course).

informale

08-22-2009, 10:33 AM

In the 505 and 700, the mobile ADE (1st gen) didn't have the capability to display ePubs in block justification.

So this means there's no chance Sony will ever fix this in 505 by, say, a firmware update?

mtravellerh

08-22-2009, 10:35 AM

So this means there's no chance Sony will ever fix this in 505 by, say, a firmware update?

Wait for the Sony press conference (August 25 in NY). I think Sony will announce a FW update then.

joe_video

08-22-2009, 11:15 AM

thanks joe_video, i did see that already in the guide. i'd be interested to know whether it's fast or slow, how easy it is to browse through, how good the dictionary support seems to be (what happens if you tap a conjugated verb ? does it find it ? what about plural forms of words ? if it doesn't find the word, does it suggest close options ? can you look up a word manually by typing it in ?), maybe a photo of the screen showing a definition...
Dictionary Response: Almost immediate
Browsing: Easy. A small definition is given at the bottom of the page. Tapping on it give a full definition with examples.
Conjugated verbs are recognized
Plural also recognized
Dictionary does not suggest option on word(s) not found
Words can be manually searched by using the virtual keyboard
Two choices of dictionary are provided: New Oxford American Dictionary or Oxford Dictionary of English
The dictionary the information like a paper dictionary. That is, Pronunciation, gender, similar words (not synonym), definition, example, etc...

zelda_pinwheel

08-22-2009, 11:17 AM

Dictionary Response: Almost immediate
Browsing: Easy. A small definition is given at the bottom of the page. Tapping on it give a full definition with examples.
Conjugated verbs are recognized
Plural also recognized
Dictionary does not suggest option on word(s) not found
Words can be manually searched by using the virtual keyboard
Two choices of dictionary are provided: New Oxford American Dictionary or Oxford Dictionary of English
The dictionary the information like a paper dictionary. That is, Pronunciation, gender, similar words (not synonym), definition, example, etc...

thank you very much ! that is what i wanted to know. sounds brilliant. :) of course, it would be even better if they had a french dictionary, and if you could install your own dictionaries and search all dictionaries installed... but it sounds like an excellent start. ;)

Juliette

08-22-2009, 01:32 PM

joe_video

08-22-2009, 02:22 PM

Hi joe_video!

I'm glad you liked the new PRS. How did you find the "turning page by dragging on the screen" function? Is is easy?

Thank you :D
"Turning page by dragging on the screen" works like a charm and is also intuitive like flipping pages in a book.
Strangely the action is set by default from left to right. Fortunately the motion is adjustable and can be easily changed in the reverse direction (right to left) in the option panel if yo prefer the other way around.
By holding on the touch screen after dragging, you can also turn pages repeatedly
Screen refresh quickly done on a flip page action
If you get tired of using screen there is also the "page turn buttons" [ < ] or [ > ] which can be used

Wetdogeared

08-22-2009, 02:37 PM

...How did you find the "turning page by dragging on the screen" function? Is is easy?..
If it's anything like the PRS-700, a wee flick of the thumb across the corner of the screen is all that's needed, either forward or backward. The small smudge you may leave isn't even in on the text portion of the page. This allows me to read with just one hand, which is my preference.

joe_video

08-22-2009, 02:44 PM

If it's anything like the PRS-700, a wee flick of the thumb across the corner of the screen is all that's needed, either forward or backward. The small smudge you may leave isn't even in on the text portion of the page. This allows me to read with just one hand, which is my preference.
Yes you're right. It applies as well on the PRS-600

formerroadie

08-22-2009, 03:56 PM

Wow. the new clearer pictures have me very excited. Thanks Oliver and Joe for all the information. I am no longer worried. I will be getting my PRS-600 soon, but the suspense is killing me. Want my first reader NOW! HAHA. I want to :book2: on it asap. Oh well, I will have to wait to get it. I have a ton of articles to read, but computer screens kill my eyes. Can't do it. :)

Hey Joe, have you tried searching your documents? Just curious how that goes.

formerroadie

08-22-2009, 03:56 PM

"Turning page by dragging on the screen" works like a charm and is also intuitive like flipping pages in a book.
Strangely the action is set by default from left to right. Fortunately the motion is adjustable and can be easily changed in the reverse direction (right to left) in the option panel if yo prefer the other way around.
By holding on the touch screen after dragging, you can also turn pages repeatedly
Screen refresh quickly done on a flip page action
If you get tired of using screen there is also the "page turn buttons" [ < ] or [ > ] which can be used

Know why the pre-set is right to left? It's because the Japanese read their books in that direction. Sony being a Japanese company that is :).

formerroadie

08-22-2009, 03:58 PM

thank you very much ! that is what i wanted to know. sounds brilliant. :) of course, it would be even better if they had a french dictionary, and if you could install your own dictionaries and search all dictionaries installed... but it sounds like an excellent start. ;)

I too would love a French, German and Greek dictionary! That would make everything so much more attractive!

Juliette

08-22-2009, 04:47 PM

I too would love a French, German and Greek dictionary! That would make everything so much more attractive!

Yes- and a great tool if you're learning a language, or trying to enrich your vocabulary and you don't want to take a lot of notes about every word you can't translate as exactly as you'd like :bookworm:

PaulGuy

08-22-2009, 09:15 PM

Some of you decided to go with the 505 after seeing the 600's screen. Does or will the 505 support the epub format? (Sonys website would indicate it doesen't). I already own and enjoy 2 Kindles, my interest in the new Sonys was to add the epub option to my arsenal.

lisreed

08-22-2009, 09:30 PM

Sony Prs-505 already supports epub. It has for about a year.

anotherchance

08-22-2009, 09:32 PM

Know why the pre-set is right to left? It's because the Japanese read their books in that direction. Sony being a Japanese company that is :).

I never really thought about it before, in terms of replicating pbook page turning. I just thought left to right seemed analogous to a >> arrow. Right to left seems like "back" to me.

PaulGuy

08-22-2009, 10:46 PM

Sony Prs-505 already supports epub. It has for about a year.

Thanks!:thanks:

doreenjoy

08-22-2009, 11:26 PM

I wonder how long it will take some enterprising person to hack dictionaries for other languages?

I could use an Italian dictionary more than an English one.

Donnageddon

08-22-2009, 11:26 PM

I never really thought about it before, in terms of replicating pbook page turning. I just thought left to right seemed analogous to a >> arrow. Right to left seems like "back" to me.

I have my 700 set up for a right to left page forward because it is analogous to turning a page.

Andybaby

08-23-2009, 02:05 AM

I have my 700 set up for a right to left page forward because it is analogous to turning a page.

first setting I changed as well.

Juliette

08-23-2009, 04:07 AM

I wonder how long it will take some enterprising person to hack dictionaries for other languages?

I could use an Italian dictionary more than an English one.

Or even an English/Italian :eek: I had seen the Tommaseo around (but while free, it's a bit old :rolleyes:) for the Cybook but never had the patience to carry on installing it. Of course at the moment we'd just get something antebellum, which could be terrifying :D

SolRaven

08-23-2009, 04:50 AM

I first bought the 700 because it was the newest model, and I generally go with the latest "bestest" gadget. I remember the moment it arrived at my door, I opened the box, and looked at the screen and I drew a breath. It was soupy green. I was sorely dissappointed. I tried living with it for about 6 months. Just couldnt get past the clarity and brightness. So I bought a 505. Which I totally adore. Perfect device.

I gave the 700 to a gal at work who really reads as much as I do, but as a single mom could never afford to buy one. She LOVES it. She reads without the sidelights on. I could never do that. I asked her if the screen color bothered her, and she looked at me quite quizzically. I did not show her the 505 screen. I do not want her to know the difference.

That's exactly it. If you read w/ natural or ambient lighting the 505 is the way to go, if you have the 700, to me, it only looks good w/ the side lights on, and preferably in landscape mode. I'd say I use my prs-700 85% of the time and use my prs-505 15% of the time, but that's only because I read with some type or reading light 85% of the time. With the side lights on the contrast looks like paper, but with them off, the contrast is really much too low in my opinion. Oh... if they will only make a 700 with the "paper" of the 505 & dictionary! Perhaps in another year or two.

doreenjoy

08-23-2009, 05:00 AM

I'm planning on getting a 600 just for reading Non-fiction. I need annotations with non-fiction, and I won't mind reading it in brighter light.

For fiction I'll hang onto my trust 505.

Juliette

08-23-2009, 05:15 AM

"Turning page by dragging on the screen" works like a charm and is also intuitive like flipping pages in a book.
Strangely the action is set by default from left to right. Fortunately the motion is adjustable and can be easily changed in the reverse direction (right to left) in the option panel if yo prefer the other way around.
By holding on the touch screen after dragging, you can also turn pages repeatedly
Screen refresh quickly done on a flip page action
If you get tired of using screen there is also the "page turn buttons" [ < ] or [ > ] which can be used

Thank you for your answer! Also, what comes with the Reader in terms of protection? I understand there's a case, but is there a book-like cover in the box too?

:thanks:

lev

08-23-2009, 05:56 AM

Thank you for your answer! Also, what comes with the Reader in terms of protection? I understand there's a case, but is there a book-like cover in the box too?

:thanks:

I dont have the 600 but from what I read here on the site it just comes with a protection case like the soft cases for laptops.
Someone ( i think doodlydood) mentioned in his video that the sony covers that came with the 505 also works with the 600.

you can see the pic of the case here:
http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53402&page=2

Juliette

08-23-2009, 06:51 AM

I dont have the 600 but from what I read here on the site it just comes with a protection case like the soft cases for laptops.
Someone ( i think doodlydood) mentioned in his video that the sony covers that came with the 505 also works with the 600.

you can see the pic of the case here:
http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53402&page=2

Thanks- it also makes sense with the holes on the top and bottom on the "spine" side. Good!

Crowl

08-23-2009, 09:04 AM

Okay I went and took another look and took some better photos. You can see all the photos here: http://www.positivebias.com/ebooks/ including some taken directly next to the prs700. After seeing them side by side again, I would say that the 600 is better than the 700, marginally. The 300 and 505 are definitely crisper though, and handle glare much better, as you can see in the first 2 photos in the gallery.

Some very helpful pics there, they haven't put me off a 600, but thankfully for my bank balance it won't have me rushing straight out to upgrade either. :thumbsup:

The biggest surprise for me with those pics is how nice I thought the 300 looks, what seemed like fairly minimal size reduction (vs 505) when you read the dimensions is nicely noticeable when they are side by side and with the price you have to think that its going to do more than its fair share to encourage more people to get into ebooks.

menelic

08-23-2009, 09:30 AM

Hi Folks,

to those of you who own/have tried a 600, please share your experience with the annotation feature! As I d use it mainly for non-fiction/academic text, this is an important feature for me. I m especially interested in options for annotating pdfs (is it possible? Are the notes saved into the pdf or into an extra file? is there a difference in the note functionality for different text formats such as epub etc?) and would like to know if the 600 recognises handwriting and/or if the on-screen keyboard can be used to add notes to text.

I think several people in this thread asked for details on the annotate function, so it would be really great if a lucky 600 user could share her/his experience

thanks in advance!

SHOECHICK

08-23-2009, 03:46 PM

Crowl

08-24-2009, 01:21 PM

My head hurts trying to decide :) Sounds like the 600 is not the way to go as I already have an excellent 505, now to figure out do I buy myself a cute pink 300 and give my 505 to DH or buy him another 505 while they're still out there.

Get him a 505 now while you still can, if you change your mind later you can always buy yourself a 300/600 later, you just need to find the right feeble justification for it at that time. :D

SHOECHICK

08-24-2009, 02:12 PM

Get him a 505 now while you still can, if you change your mind later you can always buy yourself a 300/600 later, you just need to find the right feeble justification for it at that time. :D

I have a red 505 in my shopping cart. Just waiting for the press release and then hit checkout :)

komugi

08-24-2009, 03:04 PM

I have a red 505 in my shopping cart. Just waiting for the press release and then hit checkout :)

Do eeeet. :2thumbsup:thumbsup:

wachuko

08-24-2009, 03:10 PM

I have a red 505 in my shopping cart. Just waiting for the press release and then hit checkout :)

Look at both of the new ones... waiting a few more weeks will not hurt. :thumbsup:

Wetdogeared

08-24-2009, 03:10 PM

I have a red 505 in my shopping cart. Just waiting for the press release and then hit checkout :)
FYI Sony's Reader team to present something August 25 (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53224).

formerroadie

08-25-2009, 12:23 PM

Just pre-ordered my red cover for my reader! WOOHOO! I'm stoked. They have a lot more accessories up now at sonystyle for the 600.

formerroadie

08-25-2009, 11:18 PM

Sonystyle now says my e-reader will ship tomorrow!!!!

MerLock

08-25-2009, 11:21 PM

Hope you enjoy it and let us know what you think!

doreenjoy

08-26-2009, 12:59 AM

I broke down and ordered a red 600, too. (If they'd announced the Daily Edition in red, I might have been able to wait. That red is drool-worthy).

erictai

08-26-2009, 01:20 AM

I ordered the silver one, I know that red is what I really like, but some hot chicks might think that is not manly enough to have a red reader.

Sweetpea

08-26-2009, 03:07 AM

From the looks of it, I'll only have the choice between a black and silver one... And they haven't updated their entire site yet (there is now an ebook reader section on the front page, but not on the store front page :p)

08-26-2009, 11:28 AM

I ordered the silver one, I know that red is what I really like, but some hot chicks might think that is not manly enough to have a red reader.
No they won't. They'll envy you instead. I think you are more worried that your men friends will think it un-manly ;) Bright red is certainly not a feminine colour - I feel a bit sorry for you that that should restrict you - thank gods I am a woman and don't need to worry about such things :D

formerroadie

08-26-2009, 11:32 AM

No they won't. They'll envy you instead. I think you are more worried that your men friends will think it un-manly ;) Bright red is certainly not a feminine colour - I feel a bit sorry for you that that should restrict you - thank gods I am a woman and don't need to worry about such things :D

Yeah, I'm comfortable with my sexuality ;). I can do red big time. (being married 15 years to a hottie who is way out of my league may have something to do with it ;) ).

THEY ARE TEASING ME THOUGH! Now it says it will ship the 27th. Oh the pain of waiting!

08-26-2009, 11:41 AM

...

THEY ARE TEASING ME THOUGH! ...
Sure sign of envy!! Tell 'em to get one themselves :D

erictai

08-26-2009, 01:32 PM

Okay, that is, I will get a bright RED cover for my new silver.

08-26-2009, 01:53 PM

Okay, that is, I will get a bright RED cover for my new silver.
Are you aware that RED is the colour of Thor and Mars/Ares - both mighty, very manly, warrior gods? :2thumbsup
Red used to be a colour signifying masculine aggression, anger and war, while blue was/is related to much more feminine feelings and expressions - e.g. the blue of the virgin Mary.

erictai

08-26-2009, 02:12 PM

tHANK YOU e

hmls

08-26-2009, 02:13 PM

I was wondering, has anyone compared the 600 to a Cybook? Specifically I am wondering how the screen contrast and glare compares. What about build quality? Does it seem sturdier than the Cybook? I currently have a Cybook and I am pretty happy with it, but a few weeks ago I started having problems with the screen. I am reluctant to by from Bookeen again and was thinking about the PRS-600.

erictai

08-26-2009, 02:24 PM

Thank you Ea, good to know a very nice gal, esp. very knowledgeable about RED will come to my defense about my RED covered 600, and she is a hot Danish blonde with blue eyes (I am sure you are, but just tell the guys who attemp to taunt at me)

Juliette

08-26-2009, 02:35 PM

Are you aware that RED is the colour of Thor and Mars/Ares - both mighty, very manly, warrior gods? :2thumbsup
Red used to be a colour signifying masculine aggression, anger and war, while blue was/is related to much more feminine feelings and expressions - e.g. the blue of the virgin Mary.

And today Mars should rise as big as the Moon around midnight, in Europe- so at least here it's kind of Mars day :D (Now I know how I'm going to name my just bought device!)

08-26-2009, 02:45 PM

wachuko

08-26-2009, 02:47 PM

I went with silver as well... looking at the readers in the store you can tell how time and use put lots of visible scratches on the readers... the best one that looked was the silver. The blue, red, and black all looked beat up...

08-26-2009, 02:47 PM

And today Mars should rise as big as the Moon around midnight, in Europe- so at least here it's kind of Mars day :D (Now I know how I'm going to name my just bought device!)
That was interesting to know. And it'll be a very cool name for your device.

Juliette

08-26-2009, 03:02 PM

That was interesting to know. And it'll be a very cool name for your device.

Thank you :D Mind you, I still have to find a proper name for my Cybook and my silver PRS-505 (Luna?). They might turn out to be jealous siblings :P

formerroadie

08-26-2009, 03:09 PM

Thank you :D Mind you, I still have to find a proper name for my Cybook and my silver PRS-505 (Luna?). They might turn out to be jealous siblings :P

I think you should name your 505 Artemis.

08-26-2009, 03:12 PM

Thank you :D Mind you, I still have to find a proper name for my Cybook and my silver PRS-505 (Luna?). They might turn out to be jealous siblings :P
For the PRS 505: Artemis was a good suggestion, mine is 'Baldur' - the "light" (or white) god, the wise and perfect one (too perfect even).
Cybook...? hmmm...I know the Nordic pantheon best - depends on what you think of the device.

Juliette

08-26-2009, 03:34 PM

For the PRS 505: Artemis was a good suggestion, mine is 'Baldur' - the "light" (or white) god, the wise and perfect one (too perfect even).
Cybook...? hmmm...I know the Nordic pantheon best - depends on what you think of the device.

I think I'm going to call her Diana (Latin-style, Dee-a-na, not like Lady Di). And maybe the Cybook will be something more sober like Admetus... which is connected with death mythology. Perfect!

(a ship without a name- or the wrong name- brings bad luck, and I think it could apply to more modern devices ;) )

Juliette

08-26-2009, 03:35 PM

08-26-2009, 03:39 PM

I think I'm going to call her Diana (Latin-style, Dee-a-na, not like Lady Di). And maybe the Cybook will be something more sober like Admetus... which is connected with death mythology. Perfect!

(a ship without a name- or the wrong name- brings bad luck, and I think it could apply to more modern devices ;) )
Of course. The Latin name of Artemis. It's funny, but I was thinking of Odin (pronounced Othin) for the Cybook. The king of the gods, the wisest and most cunning of all. An imposing and awesome figure, the god of death and the lord of war. Perhaps not quite sober, but connected with death mythlogy as well. Do you think it is the black colour that makes think in those patterns?

Juliette

08-26-2009, 03:52 PM

Of course. The Latin name of Artemis. It's funny, but I was thinking of Odin (pronounced Othin) for the Cybook. The king of the gods, the wisest and most cunning of all. An imposing and awesome figure, the god of death and the lord of war. Perhaps not quite sober, but connected with death mythlogy as well. Do you think it is the black colour that makes think in those patterns?

Powerful black- I think yes! One of the oldest colours, in history of human culture. Seriously powerful, rather than sober, you're right.

formerroadie

08-26-2009, 05:40 PM

formerroadie

08-26-2009, 09:59 PM

JUST GOT THE E-MAIL CONFIRMATION THAT IT SHIPPED!!!!! WOOOT!!!! Now I'm going to be obsessed with the tracking ;).

Archergal5219

08-26-2009, 11:38 PM

Did y'all see the new covers with the light built into them, a la M-Edge?

cover with light (http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665924185#additionalImage1%22)

formerroadie

08-26-2009, 11:40 PM

artemisblossom

08-27-2009, 12:16 AM

are these m edge covers? they look like the sony ones. I love my m edge cover for my 505 but these ones don't look as nice even though they do have a light

SolRaven

08-27-2009, 01:16 AM

I stopped by my SonyStyle store today to take a look at the new prs-600's. I brought my 505 & 700 with me to compare. In truth, I've been jonesing for the new reader since before they were released because of the dictionary support alone, and also just because they're my newest obsession and well... I really don't need any more shoes!

It's gorgeous, as they all are, it's thinner, almost as thin as the 505 but it's true what everyone says. There is a slight glare next to the 505. It is much more clear than my 700. My 700 only has great contrast when the reading lights are on. I really don't think the 700 has enough contrast, without the lights on, to read without them. However, the 600 looks like it would be fine to read in ambient lighting. I haven't seen the screen on the 500, but I'm assuming that the contrast would be close to that one. Like everyone else has mentioned, it's btwn the 505 & the 700. They didn't have the reading light book cover in yet, so I wasn't able to see how well it lit up the page or if it caused much glare.

In the end, I didn't walk out with a new reader, but did convince the salesman to buy one for himself and that he will surely love it. I told him I'd stop back next week to check out the new readers w/ the cover light. He told me he'll have a full report by then since he'll have all week to play with it.

I'm still undecided if I'll add the new reader to my collection. Either way I still think it's awesome and would love it to death if I didn't already own the other 2 sony readers. If you're undecided and don't already own one, I'd buy it. If you already own one, I'd check and it out and decide after checking it out in person.

david83k

08-27-2009, 02:59 AM

dtrain

08-27-2009, 03:09 AM

I just preordered my PRS-600 as well, but I'm from Canada and its in Black! I can't wait to see what it's like. Its going to be my first e-reader of any kind so I have no idea what to expect when it comes to contrast of the screen and glare but from the screenshots I've seen I'm not too worried I think it'll work out okay. Can't wait!

lev

08-27-2009, 03:41 AM

I've pre-ordered my PRS-600 in silver! :-)
Now available for pre-order in the UK from 219 pounds.
But I am still undecided regarding the colour of the device.
I've already cancelled my order for the black device once.
Now my brain tries to force me to cancel the silver device.
Please help me beat my evil brain!!!

I was also torn between black and silver, but now I'm firmly on the silver fan side. To me silver looks more spacious than the black. when reading the background and silver sides blend in color, whereas the dark color sides make the page seem narrow to me.
of course this is my experience with looking at 505 at the shop between silver and blue color. no chance to see prs 600 yet.
either way I think both of them (black and silver) are nice so I'm sure you will be happy with either. For me, I'm keeping my silver pre-ordered!!
now I need to find a nice brown leather cover to match:)

Juliette

08-27-2009, 05:37 AM

Yes, Diana is the Latin name for the Greek goddess Artemis (writing my dissertation on both ;) )

Short answer: "Classics just rule".
Long answer: very interesting. What kind of degree are you writing your dissertation for? I studied classics (both Ancient Green and Latin, and both Culture/Literature and Language) for all my five years of high school, and the passion is still there :)

david83k

08-27-2009, 05:52 AM

Juliette

08-27-2009, 06:10 AM

I went to a shop to see the silver PRS-505 today morning. It looks great!

It looks amazing :) I know I can't do without my 505, even if I already bought my 600. Wow!

Sweetpea

08-27-2009, 06:11 AM

In the end, I didn't walk out with a new reader, but did convince the salesman to buy one for himself and that he will surely love it. I told him I'd stop back next week to check out the new readers w/ the cover light. He told me he'll have a full report by then since he'll have all week to play with it.
and when will they hire you and fire that salesman? :p

I've pre-ordered my PRS-600 in silver! :-)
Now available for pre-order in the UK from 219 pounds.
But I am still undecided regarding the colour of the device.
I've already cancelled my order for the black device once.
Now my brain tries to force me to cancel the silver device.
Please help me beat my evil brain!!!

Get them both! (I know I'd want to...)

formerroadie

08-27-2009, 07:36 AM

Short answer: "Classics just rule".
Long answer: very interesting. What kind of degree are you writing your dissertation for? I studied classics (both Ancient Green and Latin, and both Culture/Literature and Language) for all my five years of high school, and the passion is still there :)

I'm actually getting my degree in Biblical Studies and working on Women in 1st century Philippian Jesus community (in Macedonia at the time, northern Greece now). Artemis is a major goddess in that city, more so than most Greek cities, so I have reams of pages on her. She's central to everything I'm doing in the dissertation. I do have a Classics MA from University of Kentucky :). Majored in Greek. I love Greek literature like nothing else. It's my passion.

Thanks for asking.

lev

08-27-2009, 07:56 AM

I know that you were torn between black and silver.
I've read your posts and they helped a lot already :-)
*silver doesn't get too warm under direct sunlight
*silver doesn't look cheap (like plastic)
*silver makes the screen optically wider
Now, I am convinced and I am happy with my decision.
Of course, there are also many pro arguments for the black device
but please don't mention them. I don't want to change my order again :-)
I went to a shop to see the silver PRS-505 today morning. It looks great!
When do you receive your 600? I will get receive mine in mid September.

I pre-ordered with borders and it says they will ship on the 31st. I'm hoping they will send it before that date since shops have already received their stock. in short, not soon enough!!
btw, I just checked sony site and they are back to pre-order again. either they sold out very quickly or as some people mentioned here the silver and red 600's for some reason has been called back and will start shipping on monday.:(

formerroadie

08-27-2009, 08:39 AM

I pre-ordered with borders and it says they will ship on the 31st. I'm hoping they will send it before that date since shops have already received their stock. in short, not soon enough!!
btw, I just checked sony site and they are back to pre-order again. either they sold out very quickly or as some people mentioned here the silver and red 600's for some reason has been called back and will start shipping on monday.:(

Sonystyle says it ships tomorrow (right away). My red shipped last night. I'm not sure what page you're looking at. Are you not in the US?

lisreed

08-27-2009, 08:44 AM

I had finally decided to cave in and Sonystyle says the 600's are back to pre-order and shipping around the 31st.

lev

08-27-2009, 08:44 AM

Sonystyle says it ships tomorrow (right away). My red shipped last night. I'm not sure what page you're looking at. Are you not in the US?

just checked again and for 600 it says pre-order. for 300 you can buy now.
it's sony US site..

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&categoryId=8198552921644523780&N=4294954528

08-27-2009, 09:57 AM

I know that you were torn between black and silver.
I've read your posts and they helped a lot already :-)
*silver doesn't get too warm under direct sunlight
*silver doesn't look cheap (like plastic)
*silver makes the screen optically wider
....

*silver blends in very well with the screen and make it feel more like a piece of paper

formerroadie

08-27-2009, 10:03 AM

just checked again and for 600 it says pre-order. for 300 you can buy now.
it's sony US site..

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&categoryId=8198552921644523780&N=4294954528

You are correct. They changed it recently. I don't think they can make up their minds ;).

formerroadie

08-27-2009, 12:11 PM

I hope the mods decide to start a PRS 600 section on the forums soon. We need one given all the threads being started :)

Faenad

08-27-2009, 12:27 PM

I know that you were torn between black and silver.
I've read your posts and they helped a lot already :-)
*silver doesn't get too warm under direct sunlight
*silver doesn't look cheap (like plastic)
*silver makes the screen optically wider
Now, I am convinced and I am happy with my decision.
Of course, there are also many pro arguments for the black device
but please don't mention them. I don't want to change my order again :-)
I went to a shop to see the silver PRS-505 today morning. It looks great!
When do you receive your 600? I will get receive mine in mid September.

What are the arguments for/against Black?

I'm also torn between black and silver, and for the moment I have a black PRS-600 with the brown cover in my cart.

I believe black is supposed to optically improve contrast, as the screen will appear whiter surrounded by a black bezel than by a silver bezel. Are there any other advantages/inconvenient?

lev

08-27-2009, 12:37 PM

What are the arguments for/against Black?

I'm also torn between black and silver, and for the moment I have a black PRS-600 with the brown cover in my cart.

I believe black is supposed to optically improve contrast, as the screen will appear whiter surrounded by a black bezel than by a silver bezel. Are there any other advantages/inconvenient?

the debate is in the thread below..

http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53370

good luck in deciding!

erictai

08-27-2009, 01:12 PM

Is Wireless in eBook readers really necessary? What do you think?

please read:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/mobile-gadgeteer/?p=1919

moespook

08-27-2009, 02:29 PM

Hi there,

I just pre-ordered a sony 600 today from Bol.com in the Netherlands. I had a black one in my shopping cart, but decided to switch to silver. I already own a Bebook which is black and a girl just has to accessorize:cool: I must say I was a bit taken aback by all the posts about screen issues. Oh well, I ordered it anyway, so I'll get back to you on this when mine is delivered. Bol will be shipping out from September 2nd (fingers crossed). I only got the Bebook in June, but the whole e-reading thing is getting to be a new hobby for me now. Reading the forum, struggling with formats, even tried out some scripts. I used to be an avid reader, and I'm fast becoming one again!

Thanks for all the information everyone is supplying!

Rita

Juliette

08-27-2009, 03:16 PM

I hope the mods decide to start a PRS 600 section on the forums soon. We need one given all the threads being started :)

Now it would be a great moment, because we got some threads in the PRS-505 section and others in the PRS-700 one. A bit more order would be less annoying for users watching said forums for :chinscratch: the 505 and the 700 :D

Also, may I suggest a little section for the Sony ebookLibrary somewhere in the software section? I know there are some threads open here and there (not the least for Mac support... which is seriously lacking at the moment) and having them together would make it all less hazy.

I'm actually getting my degree in Biblical Studies and working on Women in 1st century Philippian Jesus community (in Macedonia at the time, northern Greece now). Artemis is a major goddess in that city, more so than most Greek cities, so I have reams of pages on her. She's central to everything I'm doing in the dissertation. I do have a Classics MA from University of Kentucky :). Majored in Greek. I love Greek literature like nothing else. It's my passion.

Thanks for asking.

You're welcome :) I'm a medieval-early modern history student myself, so I can feel the pull <3

lisreed

08-27-2009, 04:55 PM

Found out the sonystyles store does have the red touch screen & the brown cover in stock and that is the combo I decided on anyway so I ordered! A relief now that I did it. Been debating it for weeks :-) So my cybook opus as much as I like it will be given to my husband who wanted one anyway so it all works out. I should receive it Monday as I decided to go for expedited shipping.

SolRaven

08-27-2009, 06:19 PM

and when will they hire you and fire that salesman? :p

That's exactly what my boyfriend said when I told him the story! LOL.... Although, you might have a point. Later on that night, and I'm not sure exactly how this happened, but I had a lengthy conversation, with my boyfriend, about how my behavior towards the Sony readers was very similar to how an addict would behave. He said that I'm constantly reading about it online & I'm driving to the mall JUST to check it out at the SonyStyle store. I had this long list of errands yesterday and he just couldn't figure out how I squeezed the SonyStyle store at the mall into it. He said I was acting just like an addict and that for someone who's so reasonable with her purchases, this seemed too frivolous for me, especially since I already own two.

In the end, I confessed that he might be right, but if I was going to be an addict, wasn't this a good thing to be addicted to? Plus, I mentioned that I was only addicted to Sony readers and the one coming out in December didn't interest me, so I should be fine till next year. ;) I don't know how this happened, but much to my surprise, he then said that I deserved a present and he had been thinking of getting me something anyway, so he said he'd buy it for me. :daisy:

Perhaps I should work for Sony after all! :p

formerroadie

08-27-2009, 06:48 PM

Do any of you know how long to 505 was out before they replaced it with the 300? How long was the 700 out before the 600? I'm just curious how long Sony kept the line up and running.

formerroadie

08-27-2009, 06:49 PM

That's exactly what my boyfriend said when I told him the story! LOL.... Although, you might have a point. Later on that night, and I'm not sure exactly how this happened, but I had a lengthy conversation, with my boyfriend, about how my behavior towards the Sony readers was very similar to how an addict would behave. He said that I'm constantly reading about it online & I'm driving to the mall JUST to check it out at the SonyStyle store. I had this long list of errands yesterday and he just couldn't figure out how I squeezed the SonyStyle store at the mall into it. He said I was acting just like an addict and that for someone who's so reasonable with her purchases, this seemed too frivolous for me, especially since I already own two.

In the end, I confessed that he might be right, but if I was going to be an addict, wasn't this a good thing to be addicted to? Plus, I mentioned that I was only addicted to Sony readers and the one coming out in December didn't interest me, so I should be fine till next year. ;) I don't know how this happened, but much to my surprise, he then said that I deserved a present and he had been thinking of getting me something anyway, so he said he'd buy it for me. :daisy:

Perhaps I should work for Sony after all! :p

Nice. Knowing is half the battle ;). :2thumbsup

kazbates

08-27-2009, 06:52 PM

Do any of you know how long to 505 was out before they replaced it with the 300? How long was the 700 out before the 600? I'm just curious how long Sony kept the line up and running.

I don't know about the 505, but the 700 came out last October/November.

igorsk

08-27-2009, 06:53 PM

PRS-505 was released in October 2007, PRS-700 in October 2008 (and PRS-500 in October 2006).

Kostas

08-27-2009, 07:03 PM

Do any of you know how long to 505 was out before they replaced it with the 300? How long was the 700 out before the 600? I'm just curious how long Sony kept the line up and running.
300 does not replace 505
Sony Reader PRS-700: Released to market 4th quarter of 2008
Sony Reader PRS-505: Released to market in October 2, 2007
The answer + a lot of extra info is here (http://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/E-book_devices).
(edit: Igorsk was faster -as always!)

formerroadie

08-27-2009, 07:34 PM

300 does not replace 505
Sony Reader PRS-700: Released to market 4th quarter of 2008
Sony Reader PRS-505: Released to market in October 2, 2007
The answer + a lot of extra info is here (http://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/E-book_devices).
(edit: Igorsk was faster -as always!)

i see, but basically a new model or more every year. interesting... will have to save for the upgrades ;)

Andanzas

08-27-2009, 07:41 PM

i see, but basically a new model or more every year. interesting... will have to save for the upgrades ;)

It's a little bit weird that after 2 years and all these new models the screen of the 505 is still the best one...

doreenjoy

08-27-2009, 07:43 PM

Sony has come out and said that the 300 is a replacement of the 505, I think.

JSWolf

08-27-2009, 07:45 PM

Does ePub have full justification?
No, the 600 & 300 do not have full justification for ePub. But, the Daily Edition looks to have such in the photos.

formerroadie

08-27-2009, 07:49 PM

It's a little bit weird that after 2 years and all these new models the screen of the 505 is still the best one...

Well, from what I understand, they are two different beasts. I mean, touch screen tech is very different from a standard type screen. I'm no expert, but I would think advances in one may not be as favorable for the other. I mean, touch screens have not been out all that long and they have only recently gotten very good. I have a tablet laptop and it works really well. But, of course, it doesn't have an e-ink screen. I will be interested to see how the tech goes forward. From what I have seen the 600 is an improvement on the 700. In the clearest pics, it seems like it's a considerable improvement.

zacheryjensen

08-28-2009, 12:57 AM

It's a little bit weird that after 2 years and all these new models the screen of the 505 is still the best one...

Well if you look back at the history of standard monitors, the monochrome monitors were the sharpest by far for a very long time.

If I had to guess about the way e-ink screens are going, it seems to me that the effort to add gray levels and increase refresh speed is being made at the sacrifice of quality. I notice with my Kindle 2 that there is all kinds of ghosting all the time. But hey, it changes pages superfast! heh. The PRS-505 only has 4 gray levels, and super slow page changes/refresh. Obviously just a guess but I have read the technical white papers on this technology and it seems to fit.

I think what we're going to see is progressive worsening of E-Ink quality until a suitable technological upgrade, or at least materials upgrade is made cheap enough to provide the same beautiful features without the slowness or lack of color variations. I'd put a guess of 3-4 years on that and am willing to bet that the technology is based on similar principals as DLP microchips.

Weeeeeee! Future speculation is fun!

formerroadie

08-28-2009, 01:47 PM

It's in the fedex truck and on the way to my house..... *watches out window, watches out window, sips coffee, watches out window!

apswartz

08-28-2009, 01:51 PM

W00t! My 600 came today! Playing around with it now. Different feel from my Kindle 2. I am looking forward to seeing how the two match up.

formerroadie

08-28-2009, 02:12 PM

W00t! My 600 came today! Playing around with it now. Different feel from my Kindle 2. I am looking forward to seeing how the two match up.

Congrats! What color?

astra

08-28-2009, 02:49 PM

W00t! My 600 came today! Playing around with it now. Different feel from my Kindle 2. I am looking forward to seeing how the two match up.

Very curious about your opinion...

formerroadie

08-28-2009, 03:38 PM

IT'S HERE!!! WOOHOOO!!!!! I am charging as I type. Can't wait.

Here are some pictures of the big moment :).

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs164.snc1/6132_125403607962_533607962_2599566_5152286_n.jpg
http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs164.snc1/6132_125403617962_533607962_2599567_5939774_n.jpg
http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs184.snc1/6132_125403622962_533607962_2599568_4711797_n.jpg
http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs164.snc1/6132_125403632962_533607962_2599570_4529536_n.jpg
http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs184.snc1/6132_125405177962_533607962_2599644_1974396_n.jpg

SHOECHICK

08-28-2009, 03:41 PM

You are too funny - enjoy!!!

JanetCinNC

08-28-2009, 03:42 PM

Congrats, Formerroadie! Isn't the red color beautiful!?!

MerLock

08-28-2009, 03:43 PM

Grats! I'm glad the moment you've been waiting for has arrived! We expect more pictures and your own personal review after you've had time to play with it.

zelda_pinwheel

08-28-2009, 03:46 PM

ooooh gorgeous !!!! i'm jealous. have fun with it !!

formerroadie

08-28-2009, 03:47 PM

Congrats, Formerroadie! Isn't the red color beautiful!?!

I really love the red. I wanted a Blue, but red works since there was no blue :). I ordered the Sony cover. Not sure why that comes out after the readers. Kind of weird. Oh well. It will get here next week sometime :).

I will post more pics when it gets up and running and also give my little review (whatever that is worth since I can't compare to anything else). It will probably be a review on how well the reader works for academics :). If it works well for academics, it must work well for casual readers as well, right? :D

MerLock

08-28-2009, 04:15 PM

I will post more pics when it gets up and running and also give my little review (whatever that is worth since I can't compare to anything else). It will probably be a review on how well the reader works for academics :). If it works well for academics, it must work well for casual readers as well, right? :D

In that case I think first time buyers of any e-readers would find your review helpful. I would like to hear your opinions regarding eye-strain, glare and how easy it is for someone new to e-readers, to load up a book and just start reading.

JanetCinNC

08-28-2009, 04:27 PM

I really love the red. I wanted a Blue, but red works since there was no blue :). I ordered the Sony cover. Not sure why that comes out after the readers. Kind of weird. Oh well. It will get here next week sometime :).

Which cover did you order - the "premium" or the "cover with light"? If you got the premium, what color did you order? I'm thinking about the premium cover in brown.

formerroadie

08-28-2009, 04:29 PM

Which cover did you order - the "premium" or the "cover with light"? If you got the premium, what color did you order? I'm thinking about the premium cover in brown.

I got the premium cover in Red.... had to show some loyalty to the color ;).

By the way, are you in Cincinnati? Just guessing from the name.

JanetCinNC

08-28-2009, 04:34 PM

I got the premium cover in Red.... had to show some loyalty to the color ;).

By the way, are you in Cincinnati? Just guessing from the name.

No, actually I'm in North Carolina - in NC. Last name starts with C, you know!

I understand the loyalty to red. Almost everything I own is red. I was trying to branch out to another color. Hence, considering the brown premium cover and the sky blue Oberon Design cover.

wachuko

08-28-2009, 04:43 PM

I got the premium cover in Red.... had to show some loyalty to the color ;)...

What is the quality of those covers like?? Nice? So, so? :blink:

JSWolf

08-28-2009, 04:48 PM

In that case I think first time buyers of any e-readers would find your review helpful. I would like to hear your opinions regarding eye-strain, glare and how easy it is for someone new to e-readers, to load up a book and just start reading.
There is more glare on the 505 & 300 then the 600. The touch layer defuses the light.

lisreed

08-28-2009, 04:58 PM

Which cover did you order - the "premium" or the "cover with light"? If you got the premium, what color did you order? I'm thinking about the premium cover in brown.

I ordered the red reader with a brown cover. It should arrive Monday. I will post pictures when it does.

formerroadie

08-28-2009, 05:51 PM

No, actually I'm in North Carolina - in NC. Last name starts with C, you know!

I understand the loyalty to red. Almost everything I own is red. I was trying to branch out to another color. Hence, considering the brown premium cover and the sky blue Oberon Design cover.

Will the Oberon covers fit? Aren't they made for other readers?

formerroadie

08-28-2009, 05:51 PM

What is the quality of those covers like?? Nice? So, so? :blink:

Haven't gotten it yet. They say it's supposed to be shipped on monday.

JanetCinNC

08-28-2009, 06:45 PM

Will the Oberon covers fit? Aren't they made for other readers?

The Oberon covers are made for the 505 and the 700. At first they used one case to fit both models. They still use the same case, but they finally started tightening the straps if you specified you'd be using it for the 505. The 600 is the same height and width as the 505 and the same thickness as the 700. I figure the case with the 700 straps should fit.

formerroadie

08-28-2009, 07:51 PM

Argh, covers were delayed till 9/15!

astra

08-29-2009, 08:36 AM

There is more glare on the 505 & 300 then the 600. The touch layer defuses the light.

You are the only person who claims this effect so far.
Accordingly to other reviewers and videos I have seen, you can clearly see your face in 600. Just like in some idiotic laptop screen that made of something that makes them very similar to a real mirror. I have not seen 600 yet but when I see a laptop with a screen where I can see my ugly mug I run away.

menelic

08-29-2009, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by formerroadie View Post
I will post more pics when it gets up and running and also give my little review (whatever that is worth since I can't compare to anything else). It will probably be a review on how well the reader works for academics . If it works well for academics, it must work well for casual readers as well, right?

Hi Formerroadie,

as a fellow academic who has posed several requests for thorough reviews of the notetaking feature and the readability of academic pdfs (journal articles, 2column layout etc) I really look forward to your review...please share your experience

thanks

JSWolf

08-29-2009, 11:03 AM

You are the only person who claims this effect so far.
Accordingly to other reviewers and videos I have seen, you can clearly see your face in 600. Just like in some idiotic laptop screen that made of something that makes them very similar to a real mirror. I have not seen 600 yet but when I see a laptop with a screen where I can see my ugly mug I run away.
That may be, but I can only report what I have seen and I see more glare in a naked Vizplex screen then the 600 screen with the touch layer. If I get a chance to go back to the SonyStyle shop, I'll try to get some photos.

The 600 is more reflective on the surface, but the light that comes back up through the touch layer is diffused more so it's not as much of a glare as it is on the 300/505.

astra

08-29-2009, 12:32 PM

That may be, but I can only report what I have seen and I see more glare in a naked Vizplex screen then the 600 screen with the touch layer. If I get a chance to go back to the SonyStyle shop, I'll try to get some photos.

The 600 is more reflective on the surface, but the light that comes back up through the touch layer is diffused more so it's not as much of a glare as it is on the 300/505.

I see. Two different things. Glare and mirroring.
Thanks for clarification.

formerroadie

08-29-2009, 05:58 PM

Ok, I'm having an issue. So far, I've only worked with PDF's. I love reading on this thing, but the highlighted texts won't export completely. I highlight a paragraph and maybe a sentence exports to PDF. Anyone have any solutions?

EDIT: I am chatting with someone from Sony about it.

EDIT2: The people at Sony don't seem to know about this function. What the heck?!

EDIT3: Final edit. I have to call the ebook people, which is entirely different from the people at Sony proper. Anyway, will call tomorrow since they are closed.

To be continued.....

induna

08-29-2009, 07:26 PM

I stopped by the Sony style store today to check out the 600 (and 300) with my trusty 505 as a reference.

The 600 display is very readable. It is certainly superior to my PRS 500, which I read without problem every day for 18 months. When compared directly with my 505, the screen background was a grayer, although still lighter the the 500's screen. The letters appear a bit lighter as well, and just a bit softer. However, I feel these differences are minor in practical use. The 600 screen looks great. It's only when held right next to my 505 that it suffered a bit in comparison.

Oddly enough, I found that the 300's screen also had a darker background than my 505, about the same as the 600, although the letters themselves were darker and sharper than on the 600, just like the 505. I know that there is some variability between eink displays which might account for what I saw when comparing my particular 505 to the particular 300s at the store.

As far as glare and reflectivity go, the 600's screen is more reflective than the 505's, but I didn't find it at all intrusive. Again I think that if I hadn't had the 505 right there as a direct comparison, I wouldn't really have noticed the difference. Glare was not an issue on either screen under the conditions in the store.

I would not hesitate to buy a 600 due to any concerns over the screen. If it had support for a Spanish dictionary, or a known hack for the same, I would buy one for myself right now. I don't find the touch screen interface or note taking to be compelling enough by themselves to justify buying a 600 to replace my 505. I don't need an English dictionary.

One more thing, page turns on the 600 were considerably faster than on the 505 -- comparing the sample books on the 600 to the epub I had loaded on the 505. The pages turned basically as fast as I could slide my finger on the screen.

formerroadie

08-29-2009, 07:30 PM

Argh, covers were delayed till 9/15!

So, now my cover shipped..... ;). They are toying with my emotions.

lisreed

08-29-2009, 07:53 PM

Cool! I was suprised when you said 9/15! On the website is says they are now in stock. My reader and cover were supposed to ship friday but didn't . Now says will ship Monday.

addadutta

08-29-2009, 08:05 PM

I also pre-ordered my prs 600 from Borders.

I usually use screen protectors on my touch screen devices so i started looking for one and ran across this company: Wrapsol http://www.wrapsol.com/en_US/Home+Page/Products/digital+readers/sony/Personal+Reader+PRS+700.aspx

They offer complete protection systems for the prs 700, kindle and iliad. I contacted them to see if they would be offering a system for the prs 600 and they have offered to draw the pattern and fit my 505 and 600 when I receive it for free.

Do any prs 700 or kindle owners have any experience with this product. Is this something other sony 505 or 600 owners would be interested in ordering when they draw the pattern?

Have you ordered and got the wrapsol screen protector. How is the quality ( if you received one)?

formerroadie

08-30-2009, 01:41 PM

Ok, attempting to call Sony now.... we will see how this goes :(

tracyeo

08-30-2009, 02:06 PM

It hasn't been shipped to me yet. I will let you know when i get it done.

I still would like to know if there are any PRS 700 users have tried it?

This is in response to addadutta's question, post 199.

formerroadie

08-30-2009, 02:15 PM

Vesper

08-30-2009, 11:47 PM

ok, you can't export all of the highlighted portion. That only appears in the name of the exported note as a reference. The notes that are exported in their entirety are only your personal notes. This works well. But, the help menu on the software is entirely misleading and makes a claim that is not true, just to warn my academic friends and others who are interested.

Edit: Does anyone know someone who can hack the software and make this work the way I want it to?

I think it's a copyright issue. But they should let you copy at least a paragraph not just one measly sentence.
Someone might hack it, but you have to wait for our resident hackers to get their hands on the device and see what can be done...

DrS

formerroadie

08-31-2009, 11:23 AM

I think it's a copyright issue. But they should let you copy at least a paragraph not just one measly sentence.
Someone might hack it, but you have to wait for our resident hackers to get their hands on the device and see what can be done...

DrS

thanks.

By the way, love the avatar. It's very beautiful.

Vesper

08-31-2009, 11:55 AM

thanks.

By the way, love the avatar. It's very beautiful.

Thanks - it's one of my more successful macro experiments.

The document you highlighted and tried to export highlighted portion from - is it drm-ed? Try non-drm-ed document and see if there is any difference.

DrS

formerroadie

08-31-2009, 01:27 PM

Thanks - it's one of my more successful macro experiments.

The document you highlighted and tried to export highlighted portion from - is it drm-ed? Try non-drm-ed document and see if there is any difference.

DrS

No, they are open source. In fact, I even tried one of my own Word documents that I wrote myself. So, it sucks. I was hoping it did what their literature said. What's funny is, if you read copyright law, you can technically copy 3/4 of a book before violating copyright. Of course, you can't distribute it, but you can use it for personal use. Very frustrating that they only have one sentence instead of something more substantial. I'm praying someone can give me a hack that makes this work right.

formerroadie

08-31-2009, 01:29 PM

Thanks - it's one of my more successful macro experiments.

The document you highlighted and tried to export highlighted portion from - is it drm-ed? Try non-drm-ed document and see if there is any difference.

DrS

Nice, here are some of mine in that kind of style:

http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2653/198/26/533607962/n533607962_1673819_2335544.jpg
http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2653/198/26/533607962/n533607962_1687174_8021214.jpg
http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2653/198/26/533607962/n533607962_1673815_3818750.jpg

Vesper

08-31-2009, 02:50 PM

No, they are open source. In fact, I even tried one of my own Word documents that I wrote myself. So, it sucks. I was hoping it did what their literature said. What's funny is, if you read copyright law, you can technically copy 3/4 of a book before violating copyright. Of course, you can't distribute it, but you can use it for personal use. Very frustrating that they only have one sentence instead of something more substantial. I'm praying someone can give me a hack that makes this work right.

That's not encouraging. I would understand (or at least tried very hard to understand) if this behaviour was exhibited with drm-ed files only... I think some sort of hack will be eagerly awaited :)

DrS

Vesper

08-31-2009, 02:54 PM

Nice, here are some of mine in that kind of style:

Not bad. I prefer more zoom in and shallow dof...

DrS

keith_mahoney

09-01-2009, 10:38 AM

lev

09-01-2009, 11:05 AM

Still waiting on mine. I am pretty sure I ordered from Borders on the first day available, 6 August. I just got off the phone with their rep who said they were back ordered.
No email came to let me know this. Kinda bummed since I already bought an ebook I am dying to read.

same here...bought 3 ebooks that I was looking forward to reading...:angry:

about annotations, I just tried some stuff on their elibrary software. yeah, only the first sentence or so of highlights get exported to document. However, one thing I was able to do was if you highlight epub books you can copy the highlights and past as notes. that way when you export, you can have it on page of exported file. it's a bit of a long way to do things but it's the only option at the moment. the bad part is I was hoping to export my pdf highlights for my study. :angry: