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awp
06-11-2009, 05:36 PM
Hi everybody!

I thought that you might be interested to know that a new ePub creation tool has been just released. The latest version of Atlantis Word Processor (1.6.4) can convert existing documents (TXT, RTF, DOC, DOCX, etc) to ePub. There is a nice eBook template to design books from a scratch. Please click the following link for details:
http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/help/index.php?page=html/ebook.htm

Maybe some of you will find this information interesting.

delphidb96
06-11-2009, 06:46 PM
Hi everybody!

I thought that you might be interested to know that a new ePub creation tool has been just released. The latest version of Atlantis Word Processor (1.6.4) can convert existing documents (TXT, RTF, DOC, DOCX, etc) to ePub. There is a nice eBook template to design books from a scratch. Please click the following link for details:
http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/help/index.php?page=html/ebook.htm

Maybe some of you will find this information interesting.

And still only $35 registration! I've been using Atlantis for four years now and I gotta say this last update is the best!

Derek

JSWolf
06-14-2009, 11:44 AM
How well does the ePub output work?

delphidb96
06-14-2009, 05:26 PM
How well does the ePub output work?

Seems okay. Stanza likes it. Since I don't have any way of checking it out on a Cybook (still got the mobi version), I can't say much more.

Derek

JSWolf
06-14-2009, 08:00 PM
Seems okay. Stanza likes it. Since I don't have any way of checking it out on a Cybook (still got the mobi version), I can't say much more.

Derek
Does it generate Mobile ADE compatible content?

awp
06-14-2009, 08:14 PM
Its ePub's display correctly in the desktop version of ADE for Windows (http://www.adobe.com/products/digitaleditions/).
Mobipocket Reader Desktop (http://www.mobipocket.com/en/DownloadSoft/ProductDetailsReader.asp) displays them correctly too.

JSWolf
06-14-2009, 08:33 PM
Its ePub's display correctly in the desktop version of ADE for Windows (http://www.adobe.com/products/digitaleditions/).
Mobipocket Reader Desktop (http://www.mobipocket.com/en/DownloadSoft/ProductDetailsReader.asp) displays them correctly too.
But, does it support Mobile ADE? This is important because most eink devices that will be using ADE for ePub will have Mobile ADE and if it doesn't work with Mobile ADE, then it's not going to be useful for most people on MR (IMHO). And In order to work with Mobile ADE, it should generate a warning when an ePub file is not going to work with Mobile ADE. Sony is using Mobile ADE and the German version of the Gen3 is using Mobile ADE and so is the Cool-er using Mobile ADE. So the question remains, does it work with Mobile ADE?

delphidb96
06-14-2009, 10:53 PM
But, does it support Mobile ADE? This is important because most eink devices that will be using ADE for ePub will have Mobile ADE and if it doesn't work with Mobile ADE, then it's not going to be useful for most people on MR (IMHO). And In order to work with Mobile ADE, it should generate a warning when an ePub file is not going to work with Mobile ADE. Sony is using Mobile ADE and the German version of the Gen3 is using Mobile ADE and so is the Cool-er using Mobile ADE. So the question remains, does it work with Mobile ADE?

Given that I only have a Dell Axim x51v, an iPod Touch (1st Gen but 'jailbroken'), two Cybook Gen 3s, a desktop (WinXP) and a netbook (WinXP, Dell Mini 12), what app can I get to test out ADE? Let me know and I'll do so.

Derek

jgray
06-15-2009, 01:46 AM
Perhaps JSWolf should download the 30-day demo version. Then he can try the program on his own Sony reader. I've already tried the demo myself.

Moejoe
06-15-2009, 04:04 AM
Hi everybody!

I thought that you might be interested to know that a new ePub creation tool has been just released. The latest version of Atlantis Word Processor (1.6.4) can convert existing documents (TXT, RTF, DOC, DOCX, etc) to ePub. There is a nice eBook template to design books from a scratch. Please click the following link for details:
http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/help/index.php?page=html/ebook.htm

Maybe some of you will find this information interesting.

One of the best word-processors out there, I've been using it for years too (I love the typewriter sound option). This is great news :)

Moejoe
06-15-2009, 04:24 AM
But, does it support Mobile ADE? This is important because most eink devices that will be using ADE for ePub will have Mobile ADE and if it doesn't work with Mobile ADE, then it's not going to be useful for most people on MR (IMHO). And In order to work with Mobile ADE, it should generate a warning when an ePub file is not going to work with Mobile ADE. Sony is using Mobile ADE and the German version of the Gen3 is using Mobile ADE and so is the Cool-er using Mobile ADE. So the question remains, does it work with Mobile ADE?


I've just tried the output on a Sony PRS-505 (which I assume is Mobile ADE) and its flawless. This is THE creation tool for epub I'll be using from now on. OH, and bonus it also installs flawlessly under WINE in Linux (Ubuntu 9.04) and Crossover Office 7.02 in OSX.

This is much easier than the eScape plugin for Open Office, and the real bonus is that you get a lightweight, fun word processor into the bargain. Hands down Atlantis have just brought out a game-changer when it comes to creation of ebooks. :)


EDIT: and here's a link to the trial download of the software http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/downloads.htm -- could the OP put this link in is first post please?

JSWolf
06-15-2009, 09:18 AM
Given that I only have a Dell Axim x51v, an iPod Touch (1st Gen but 'jailbroken'), two Cybook Gen 3s, a desktop (WinXP) and a netbook (WinXP, Dell Mini 12), what app can I get to test out ADE? Let me know and I'll do so.

Derek
Why not make some ePub books and then have a look at them and see if they might work on Mobile ADE. Or if they can be, post them and then we have have a look and see if they'd work. Mobile ADE has a limit of 300k per flow and a flow is a seperate file. 300k is the uncompressed limit. So if you create a book that's say 500k in size, then each part/chapter should be a seperate file.

JSWolf
06-15-2009, 09:33 AM
have downloaded the demo and when I get something I want to process, I'll give it an install and a try.

delphidb96
06-15-2009, 01:03 PM
Why not make some ePub books and then have a look at them and see if they might work on Mobile ADE. Or if they can be, post them and then we have have a look and see if they'd work. Mobile ADE has a limit of 300k per flow and a flow is a seperate file. 300k is the uncompressed limit. So if you create a book that's say 500k in size, then each part/chapter should be a seperate file.


I guess you're not understanding (although I'm happy you've downloaded the demo/trial) what I'm saying. I don't have any ADE readers that I know of, unless Stanza is - but then, I use Stanza to read .pdb ebooks on my iPod Touch... I've not yet gotten to the point of using ePub.

Also, is ADE (isn't that just some form of PDF?) the only thing which is used in an ePub file?


Derek

awp
06-15-2009, 01:44 PM
Mobile ADE has a limit of 300k per flow and a flow is a seperate file. 300k is the uncompressed limit. So if you create a book that's say 500k in size, then each part/chapter should be a seperate file.

If your document contains multiple chapters separated with heading paragraphs, Atlantis Word Processor will generate separate XHTML file for each chapter. The eBook Help topic of Atlantis Word Processor says the following:

Please avoid overlong chapters in your eBooks. Some eBook readers are unable to properly display eBooks with overlong chapters. This is not mandatory, but when a particular chapter in your book has 100,000+ characters, we recommend splitting that chapter into several shorter chapters.

So if you do not have too long chapters in your document, the corresponding XHTML files of your ePub package would not be too big.

JSWolf
06-15-2009, 03:09 PM
Can the ePub be updated to warn us when an ePub does not fit with Mobile ADE so we can edit it to make sure it works?

awp
06-15-2009, 08:42 PM
Atlantis Word Processor generates proper ePub files according to the ePub specification. You can validate .epub files of Atlantis with the online ePub validator:
http://www.threepress.org/document/epub-validate/

But you cannot be sure that your .epub file displays correctly (as intended by you) in a given eBook reader without testing it with this eBook reader. The ePub specification says how to generate .epub files. It says which elements are allowed in XHTMLs and which files can be included in an ePub package. But no ePub reader supports the ePub standard completely.

There is no such thing as "ePub for Mobile ADE". There is a single ePub standard. But any ePub book should be tested with the target ePub readers. Atlantis Word Processor could not know if a particular ePub book will display correctly on specific ePub readers. Again, the only way to find out if corrections to the formatting of the source document are needed is by testing your ePub files with your ePub reader software/device.

JSWolf
06-15-2009, 09:02 PM
Atlantis Word Processor generates proper ePub files according to the ePub specification. You can validate .epub files of Atlantis with the online ePub validator:
http://www.threepress.org/document/epub-validate/

But you cannot be sure that your .epub file displays correctly (as intended by you) in a given eBook reader without testing it with this eBook reader. The ePub specification says how to generate .epub files. It says which elements are allowed in XHTMLs and which files can be included in an ePub package. But no ePub reader supports the ePub standard completely.

There is no such thing as "ePub for Mobile ADE". There is a single ePub standard. But any ePub book should be tested with the target ePub readers. Atlantis Word Processor could not know if a particular ePub book will display correctly on specific ePub readers. Again, the only way to find out if corrections to the formatting of the source document are needed is by testing your ePub files with your ePub reader software/device.
Actually, there is the Mobile ADE standard. It specifies that no flow can be more then 300K. So if AW was to have an option to verify this for each flow, then yes, it would work to verify that the resulting ePub was Mobile ADE compatible. Mobile ADE is from Adobe. I don't see that it should be that difficult to add this bit of functionality. If you do, you might get more people interested in your program.

awp
06-15-2009, 09:16 PM
It is not hard to check the size of XHTMLs indeed. Future releases of Atlantis Word Processor will probably display a warning when a chapter of the source document is "too long". But I believe that this 300K-limit is the least probable problem with ePubs. Atlantis Word Processor saves each chapter as a separate XHTML file. I can hardly imagine a book chapter containing 250,000+ characters.

JSWolf
06-15-2009, 09:41 PM
Does AWP's ePub output embed fonts?

awp
06-15-2009, 09:47 PM
Atlantis Word Processor does not embed fonts in ePubs.

JSWolf
06-15-2009, 10:10 PM
Atlantis Word Processor does not embed fonts in ePubs.
Does it at least generate the CSS code for fonts or font size changes?

delphidb96
06-15-2009, 10:29 PM
Actually, there is the Mobile ADE standard. It specifies that no flow can be more then 300K. So if AW was to have an option to verify this for each flow, then yes, it would work to verify that the resulting ePub was Mobile ADE compatible. Mobile ADE is from Adobe. I don't see that it should be that difficult to add this bit of functionality. If you do, you might get more people interested in your program.

Furthermore ePub does not equal Adobe ADE.

awp
06-16-2009, 07:55 PM
Does it at least generate the CSS code for fonts or font size changes?

I am not sure that understand what you mean. Your book is initially in any of the document formats supported by Atlantis Word Processor. Any formatting that you include in your source document (including font faces and sizes) is saved as CSS styles to an ePub file.

awp
06-16-2009, 08:39 PM
By the way, an interesting review of the EPUB feature of Atlantis Word Processor and other ePub creation tools:
http://moriahjovan.com/mojo/the-legend-of-atlantis

JSWolf
06-16-2009, 09:35 PM
Furthermore ePub does not equal Adobe ADE.
I never said that. You totally misread. I did say Mobile ADE compatible with is different. And because of Mobile ADE, I do think most ePub you find on the net will be Mobile ADE compatible.

JSWolf
06-16-2009, 09:47 PM
Nice review of AWP. Makesme want to try it even more.

One other question about AWP comes to mind. Can I make a multilevel ToC from within AWP or do I have to edit the NCX file to do so?

awp
06-17-2009, 09:57 PM
Multilevel TOCs (NCXs) are not automatically generated by Atlantis Word Processor. Not in the present version at least.

DaleDe
06-24-2009, 01:58 PM
I guess you're not understanding (although I'm happy you've downloaded the demo/trial) what I'm saying. I don't have any ADE readers that I know of, unless Stanza is - but then, I use Stanza to read .pdb ebooks on my iPod Touch... I've not yet gotten to the point of using ePub.

Also, is ADE (isn't that just some form of PDF?) the only thing which is used in an ePub file?


Derek

Stanza desktop converts all files to ePUB for reading on a iPhone. Unfortunately is strips formatting from source files on the desktop version. However, ePUB files should work fine without conversion. You should be able to use your iPod Touch with Stanza to read ePUB.

ADE is not just some form of PDF. It is not a format at all. It is an application (short for Adobe Digital Edition). It happens to read PDF files and ePUB files with or without Adobe DRM.

Dale

awp
07-11-2009, 10:03 PM
Can I make a multilevel ToC from within AWP or do I have to edit the NCX file to do so?

Any next release (update) of Atlantis Word Processor will generate multilevel TOCs (both inline and NCX) in ePubs. You could have up to 9 levels in your TOCs. All you will be supposed to do is to format the proper headings in your source document with the "Heading 1", "Heading 2", "Heading 3", ... styles.

Moejoe
07-11-2009, 10:17 PM
Any next release (update) of Atlantis Word Processor will generate multilevel TOCs (both inline and NCX) in ePubs. You could have up to 9 levels in your TOCs. All you will be supposed to do is to format the proper headings in your source document with the "Heading 1", "Heading 2", "Heading 3", ... styles.

Excellent stuff :) Atlantis Ocean Mind shoudl be more widly recognised methinks, one of, if not the best Windows word processors out there.

awp
08-27-2009, 07:15 PM
Actually, there is the Mobile ADE standard. It specifies that no flow can be more then 300K. So if AW was to have an option to verify this for each flow, then yes, it would work to verify that the resulting ePub was Mobile ADE compatible. Mobile ADE is from Adobe. I don't see that it should be that difficult to add this bit of functionality. If you do, you might get more people interested in your program.

Any next update of Atlantis Word Processor (version 1.6.4.2 and higher) will automatically split "too long" chapters within ePubs into series of smaller XHTMLs.

JSWolf
08-27-2009, 07:21 PM
Any next update of Atlantis Word Processor (version 1.6.4.3 and higher) will automatically split "too long" chapters within ePubs into series of smaller XHTMLs.
Very nice!

Grandma Aubbie
09-03-2009, 02:50 PM
:thanks:
I ran across this by accident an immediately came out here to see if it was a viable option ... and ... found out everything I wanted.

I downloaded the free copy, and was able to create an easily navigable document to use on my Sony. Since I can also load rtf, I will experiment before putting down the $35.

What a great forum - every time I want to know something about readers and publishing, I come by and WOW you have the info I need and want.

awp
09-24-2009, 06:59 PM
A new minor update of Atlantis Word Processor has been released. It has a number of improvements to the "Save as eBook (EPUB)" feature:


Multilevel TOCs (up to 9 levels) are now supported.
Overlong topics are now automatically split into multiple XHTMLs (the 300K limit).
More metadata types (fields) are now supported.
And more.

You can find the complete list of changes here:
http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/news/1_6_4_002.htm

Those who already have a copy of Atlantis Word Processor, can upgrade through the "Help | Check for Updates..." menu command of Atlantis.

Thought some of you might be interested.

orion2001
10-01-2009, 02:57 AM
Thanks for all the great work. This sounds awesome. I'm going to go ahead and give it a try :)

orion2001
10-01-2009, 10:13 PM
Wow! I just tried Atlantis Word Processor to create an EPUB and it worked flawlessly! I'm extremely happy with the results and the ease of use. The word processor is also very robust and I was able to correct all the straight quotes in my test ebook to curly quotes by simply using the auto-correct feature.

The only thing I needed to tweak later was the font size and some custom css to embed fonts stored on my PRS-505 internal memory. That was easy enough. I unzipped the epub file, edited the style.css file and then rezipped everything into a zip file using WINRAR. Finally I just changed the zip file extension to .epub and the file worked without a hitch on my PRS-505.

awp
10-05-2009, 05:30 PM
Could you please tell why you needed to tweak the font size from the CSS file. You can change the font size directly in your original document in Atlantis Word Processor. There are hot keys in Atlantis that you could use to shrink/grow font size of the selected text fragment by 1pt: Ctrl+[ and Ctrl+].

orion2001
10-05-2009, 05:42 PM
Could you please tell why you needed to tweak the font size from the CSS file. You can change the font size directly in your original document in Atlantis Word Processor. There are hot keys in Atlantis that you could use to shrink/grow font size of the selected text fragment by 1pt: Ctrl+[ and Ctrl+].

Hi awp,

Actually I was doing the font tweaking in CSS only because I am comfortable with Css and I needed to go in there and edit it in any case for embedding fonts. I do agree that in general it is best to do it from within the wordprocessor.

awp
10-05-2009, 05:46 PM
OK, thanks for explaining.

awp
10-28-2009, 05:26 AM
The upcoming version of Atlantis Word Processor 1.6.4.3 will have a number of improvements to the "Save as ePub" feature. Cover images will be saved to ePubs in a better way. The book content will be divided into XHTMLs in a smarter way in cases when your original document contains headings of two or more levels. New metadata field will be automatically generated.

You can find details in the Atlantis Word Processor blog (http://atlantiswordprocessor.blogspot.com/):

http://atlantiswordprocessor.blogspot.com/2009/10/ebook-creation-still-polishing.html

awp
11-04-2009, 04:53 AM
By the way, through the latest post to the Atlantis blog, you can download a free utility "tweak_epub":
Atlantis Word Processor Blog. Tweaking EPUBs. (http://atlantiswordprocessor.blogspot.com/2009/11/tweaking-epubs-its-just-zip-file.html)
(you will find a download link plus instructions there)

It can be used to make minor changes to existing EPUBs.

Toxaris
12-15-2009, 08:56 AM
The tweak_epub program sounds great. However, I just loath notepad for various reasons. For one thing, it does not handle CR/LF quite right and makes a mess of it. It also does not handle UTF-8 files very good.

I personally use Notepad++ but there are many others who can handle it correctly. Would it be very difficult to let us choose the text editor?

awp
12-16-2009, 06:47 AM
The updated version of this utility allows to choose a text editor.

Please click the following link for details:

Atlantis Word Processor Blog. Tweaking ePubs (4): Choosing a text editor (http://atlantiswordprocessor.blogspot.com/2009/12/tweaking-epubs-4-choosing-text-editor.html)

ericshliao
12-16-2009, 07:02 AM
I have tried Atlantis, and I like very much. With Atlantis, I can convert my word files to epub. And I found something interesting: the epub files created by Atlantis, after unpacked, can be imported to Mobipocket Creator directly.

jackie_w
12-16-2009, 08:29 AM
Hi awp,
Re: the Tweak-Epub utility - a suggestion.

I can see this being a very useful utility. However, I see it doesn't appear to allow the tweaking of the page-template.xpgt file. I have often needed to tweak this file if it sets such large left/right margins that too much of my Sony reader screen is wasted. Is there a reason this file has been excluded?

awp
12-16-2009, 08:34 AM
I have tried Atlantis, and I like very much. With Atlantis, I can convert my word files to epub. And I found something interesting: the epub files created by Atlantis, after unpacked, can be imported to Mobipocket Creator directly.

Any EPUB file generated by Atlantis Word Processor, is compliant with the EPUB specifications, and passes the EPUB validation check (http://atlantiswordprocessor.blogspot.com/2009/10/validating-epubs.html). The ".htm" files from the Atlantis EPUB packages are pure XHTMLs. Maybe this is why they are accepted by other readers, or can be converted to other formats with less efforts.

awp
12-16-2009, 08:46 AM
Hi awp,
Re: the Tweak-Epub utility - a suggestion.

I can see this being a very useful utility. However, I see it doesn't appear to allow the tweaking of the page-template.xpgt file. I have often needed to tweak this file if it sets such large left/right margins that too much of my Sony reader screen is wasted. Is there a reason this file has been excluded?

The updated version of the tweak_epub utility allows to edit files of the following extensions:


css
htm
html
ncx
opf
xhtml
xml
xpgt


Please redownload the utility through the corresponding blog post:

Atlantis Word Processor Blog. Tweaking ePubs (4): Choosing a text editor (http://atlantiswordprocessor.blogspot.com/2009/12/tweaking-epubs-4-choosing-text-editor.html)

or by clicking the following direct link:

http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/download/tweak_epub.exe

jackie_w
12-16-2009, 10:10 AM
The updated version of the tweak_epub utility allows to edit files of the following extensions:


css
htm
html
ncx
opf
xhtml
xml
xpgt


Please redownload the utility through the corresponding blog post:



I have re-downloaded but the .xpgt file still has the "Edit-File" button greyed-out. Files with extensions .ncx, .html, .xhtml, .css, .xml, .opf worked OK.
Is it relevant that none of the epubs I tried were created in Atlantis. Most were commercial ones with DRM removed.:blink:

awp
12-16-2009, 03:28 PM
Your epub creation tool is irrelevant.

I have just opened a sample EPUB file with the latest version of the tweak_epub utility. The "Edit File..." button is enabled for the "page-template.xpgt" file.

Are you sure that you run the updated version of the utility?

I have attached a ZIP file with the latest version of the utility to this message.

jackie_w
12-16-2009, 05:00 PM
Hi awp, This new zipped download works fine thank you :) All's well with the world.

I don't know what's wrong with the download I did 7 hours ago from the 2nd link in post #48. I still have this older one - it has the "choose your own editor" feature but doesn't work with .xpgt.

However, whatever the problem was, I've just tried a download from the same link just now and it's fine, just like the version posted in #50.

Sorry for any inconvenience, and thank you for your help.

awp
12-16-2009, 07:37 PM
Usually the reason for the update not being available is due to caching by your ISP.

JSWolf
12-19-2009, 10:11 PM
Hi awp,
Re: the Tweak-Epub utility - a suggestion.

I can see this being a very useful utility. However, I see it doesn't appear to allow the tweaking of the page-template.xpgt file. I have often needed to tweak this file if it sets such large left/right margins that too much of my Sony reader screen is wasted. Is there a reason this file has been excluded?
I delete the page-template.xpgt file from the ePub, edit the margins in CSS, remove the line to load the page-template.xpgt file in all the HTMl/XML/XHTML files and remove the reference to the page-template.xpgt file in the OPF. It sounds like a lot more work then it really is. I use Notepad++ to handle editing the ePub. It handles multiple tabs and search/replace among all the open tabs.

jackie_w
12-20-2009, 12:30 PM
Thank you for this info, Jon.

I had noticed that some epubs don't have a page-template.xpgt file. What is it for? Why is CSS not enough on its own? Very confused. :)

DaleDe
12-20-2009, 05:19 PM
Thank you for this info, Jon.

I had noticed that some epubs don't have a page-template.xpgt file. What is it for? Why is CSS not enough on its own? Very confused. :)

Read about XPGT in our wiki, also check ADE and ePUB.

Dale

hieubg
12-24-2009, 09:03 AM
This program is pretty good to make epub but what about embedded fonts, i used tried several methods but none was worked.

awp
12-24-2009, 09:29 PM
Font embedding will be implemented in the upcoming version of Atlantis Word Processor 1.6.5. I will have more details in the next few days.

awp
12-26-2009, 12:11 PM
You can find full details on font embedding in EPUBs in Atlantis Word Processor by following this link:

http://atlantiswordprocessor.blogspot.com/2009/12/font-embedding-in-ebooks.html (http://atlantiswordprocessor.blogspot.com/2009/12/font-embedding-in-ebooks.html)

Of course, your comments are welcome.

ericshliao
12-26-2009, 01:14 PM
Just tried the new beta version. The font embedding option does not work. In the created epub file, "style.css" does contain the correct font-family name, but the font file is not copied into the epub file.
This is the "style.css" generated by Atlantis:
body{margin-left:5%;margin-right:5%;margin-top:5%;margin-bottom:5%}
p{text-indent:0.61in;margin-left:0;line-height:24pt;margin-right:0;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:15pt;font-family:華康儷中宋(P);font-size:200%}
.p0{text-indent:0;margin-left:0;line-height:30pt;margin-top:15pt}
.p1{text-indent:0;margin-left:0.33in;line-height:1}
.p3{text-indent:0.61in;margin-left:0;line-height:1}
.t0{font-size:1.27em}
.t1{font-size:1.09em}
.t5{background:yellow}
.t6{font-size:1.09em}

The font-family name is Chinese glyphs.

awp
12-26-2009, 01:49 PM
Most probably the problem is that the file of that font has a Chinese name. Atlantis might be unable to retrieve such files from your system.

Could you please tell me its filename?

awp
12-26-2009, 01:52 PM
Could you please also email the corresponding Atlantis document (I mean the source document that you tried to save as EPUB) to support@AtlantisWordProcessor.com, or attach it to your forum post?

ericshliao
12-26-2009, 03:17 PM
Most probably the problem is that the file of that font has a Chinese name. Atlantis might be unable to retrieve such files from your system.

Could you please tell me its filename?

It's "DFPLiSong-Md091025.ttf".

Here are the source .docx and target .epub.

ericshliao
12-27-2009, 04:38 AM
I guess the cause of the problem is non-English string in font-familiy property. If I select some other font (Chinese font with English font-family name), Atlantis can embed the font into epub.

This is the correct "style.css":
@font-face{font-family:"Wingdings";font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;src:url(fonts/WINGDING.TTF)}
@font-face{font-family:"iLiHei";font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;src:url(fonts/iLiHei090611.ttf)}
body{margin-left:5%;margin-right:5%;margin-top:5%;margin-bottom:5%}
p{text-indent:0.61in;margin-left:0;line-height:26pt;margin-right:0;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:15pt;font-family:iLiHei;font-size:200%}
.p0{text-indent:0;margin-left:0;line-height:1}
.p2{text-indent:0;margin-left:0;line-height:1;page-break-before:always}
.t0{font-family:Wingdings;font-size:1.27em}
.t1{font-size:1.27em}
.t2{font-family:Wingdings;font-size:1.09em}
.t3{font-size:1.09em}
.t6{font-size:1.09em}
.t7{font-size:1.27em}

ericshliao
12-27-2009, 05:38 AM
Please consider adding a new feature:
An option to generate TOC automatically when creating ebook.

Added:
After another check, I think TOC feature for ebook is already done.

awp
12-27-2009, 12:40 PM
I guess the cause of the problem is non-English string in font-familiy property. If I select some other font (Chinese font with English font-family name), Atlantis can embed the font into epub.

First, thanks for the sample files. Yes, the Chinese name of the font (not the name of its file) is the problem. The present version of Atlantis Word Processor does not support fonts with such names. We will certainly look into this. I might post extra information on this issue later (in the next few days, I think). Thanks again.

awp
12-27-2009, 12:47 PM
Please consider adding a new feature:
An option to generate TOC automatically when creating ebook.

Added:
After another check, I think TOC feature for ebook is already done.

Yes, this feature is explained in the following topic of the Online Help of Atlantis Word Processor:

http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/help/index.php?page=html/ebook.htm

Note that you can also have "inline TOCs" in your eBooks. They can be inserted to a source document through the "Insert | Table of Contents..." menu command of Atlantis. The eBook template of Atlantis (it is mentioned in the above Help topic) already includes an "inline TOC".

If you have footnotes and/or endnotes (http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/help/index.php?page=html/footnotes.htm) in your source document, Atlantis also saves them to EPUBs.

awp
12-27-2009, 01:03 PM
Just tried the new beta version. The font embedding option does not work. In the created epub file, "style.css" does contain the correct font-family name, but the font file is not copied into the epub file.
This is the "style.css" generated by Atlantis:
body{margin-left:5%;margin-right:5%;margin-top:5%;margin-bottom:5%}
p{text-indent:0.61in;margin-left:0;line-height:24pt;margin-right:0;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:15pt;font-family:華康儷中宋(P);font-size:200%}
.p0{text-indent:0;margin-left:0;line-height:30pt;margin-top:15pt}
.p1{text-indent:0;margin-left:0.33in;line-height:1}
.p3{text-indent:0.61in;margin-left:0;line-height:1}
.t0{font-size:1.27em}
.t1{font-size:1.09em}
.t5{background:yellow}
.t6{font-size:1.09em}

The font-family name is Chinese glyphs.

By the way, I suppose you manually inserted the proper Chinese font name "華康儷中宋(P)" in the CSS file of the EPUB generated by Atlantis. The present version of Atlantis inserts question marks instead. As I said, we will look into this.

ericshliao
12-27-2009, 05:23 PM
By the way, I suppose you manually inserted the proper Chinese font name "華康儷中宋(P)" in the CSS file of the EPUB generated by Atlantis. The present version of Atlantis inserts question marks instead. As I said, we will look into this.

I am quite sure that I didn't touch the generated sample epub. I create another sample epub from "sample.doc" using Atlantis, and the "style.css" is:
body{margin-left:5%;margin-right:5%;margin-top:5%;margin-bottom:5%}
p{text-indent:0.61in;margin-left:0;line-height:24pt;margin-right:0;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:9pt;font-family:華康儷中宋(P);font-size:200%}
.p0{text-indent:0;margin-left:0;line-height:30pt;margin-top:9pt}
.p1{text-indent:0;margin-left:0.33in;line-height:1}
.t0{font-size:1.27em}
.t1{font-size:1.09em}


Maybe it's because I am using Windows XP Traditional Chinese version.

awp
12-28-2009, 08:55 PM
I cannot explain this. CSS files within EPUBs generated by Atlantis, are always plain text files in ASCII. There could not be Chinese letters.

Maybe this can be reproduced under the Chinese Windows only.

awp
12-28-2009, 09:18 PM
I have more information on the problem with some Chinese fonts which Atlantis does not embed into EPUBs. The problem (or I would say the limitation) is much wider than just font embedding in EPUBs. Atlantis Word Processor presently does not support fonts with non-Latin face names (no matter the feature of Atlantis). You could not apply such fonts to a text fragment in an Atlantis document through the GUI of Atlantis on an English system. Possibly you can use the "華康儷中宋(P)" font in Atlantis. But most probably this is because you have the Chinese version of Windows.

So the present version of Atlantis Word Processor has a limitation regarding fonts with Chinese face names. Regrettably it will not be lifted soon.

But when I tried to embed Chinese fonts "汉鼎繁古印" and "汉鼎繁琥珀" (they can be freely downloaded from this page: http://www.sino.uni-heidelberg.de/edv/sinopc/chinese_fonts.htm) into a sample EPUB file manually, ADE refused to use them. Even when these fonts are referred via English face names (ie no UTF-8 in CSS). Maybe such fonts are not supported by EPUB readers at all, and embedding them does not make sense? ...

Still about font embedding through the "Save as eBook" command of Atlantis. I can confirm that Chinese fonts with English face names get embedded into EPUBs and displayed by ADE and Sony Reader without a problem. So it seems that a solution at this point is to use fonts with English face names only.

ericshliao
12-29-2009, 07:45 AM
I have one theory to explain why non-latin font-family name raise problem.
Take Chinese true type font for example, I guess its font-family name is stored in Big5 or GB encoding, not Unicode or UTF-8. For Windows XP not supporting Big5 or GB code page internally, it's naturally that these font-family name will result in "????".
I don't have the knowledge to verify my theory, it's just my conjecture.

Some background info:
Big5 encoding scheme is used for Traditional Chinese glypgs, and GB encoding scheme for Simplified Chinese glyphs. The above "華康儷中宋" are Traditional Chinese glyphs, and "汉鼎繁古印" are Simplified Chinese glyphs.

ericshliao
12-29-2009, 07:50 PM
I think the problem is resulted from AWP not taking non-English font-family name when creating epub files.
Many Chinese truetype font have two font names. One is in English and the other is in Chinese. The attached image is an example. If I remove the Chinese font name, AWP can embed the font into epub.

awp
12-29-2009, 09:21 PM
I have one theory to explain why non-latin font-family name raise problem.
Take Chinese true type font for example, I guess its font-family name is stored in Big5 or GB encoding, not Unicode or UTF-8. For Windows XP not supporting Big5 or GB code page internally, it's naturally that these font-family name will result in "????".
I don't have the knowledge to verify my theory, it's just my conjecture.

Some background info:
Big5 encoding scheme is used for Traditional Chinese glypgs, and GB encoding scheme for Simplified Chinese glyphs. The above "華康儷中宋" are Traditional Chinese glyphs, and "汉鼎繁古印" are Simplified Chinese glyphs.

This is not simple indeed. Thanks for the information.

I think the problem is resulted from AWP not taking non-English font-family name when creating epub files.
Many Chinese truetype font have two font names. One is in English and the other is in Chinese. The attached image is an example. If I remove the Chinese font name, AWP can embed the font into epub.

Yes, most TrueType font files contain multiple NAME tables. A TrueType font can include multiple names in different languages. But only one name is used to refer to a given font through the GDI engine of Windows. When you enumerate installed fonts programmatically through the EnumFontFamilies() or EnumFontFamiliesEx() functions of Windows, only one name is returned per each installed font. Also only one font name is displayed through the various font lists in word processing applications. Even your sample document contains only one name of the font. This name is Chinese. "DFPLiSong-Md" does not seem to be a public name of that font. I am not sure that the font is supposed to be referred through this cryptic English name.

As I said in my previous post, the present version of Atlantis Word Processor has a limitation unrelated to the "Save as eBook/EPUB" feature. Atlantis currently does not support fonts whose (main?) name is non-Latin. Things seems to be trickier under a Chinese Windows. But on an English system, Atlantis cannot use fonts with Chinese names at all. I only get a string of question marks instead of a Chinese font name in Atlantis. Yes, I get questions marks when I open your sample document in Atlantis. I know that you get something else on your Chinese system.

But I have another question. Is it possible to embed a font with a Chinese name into an EPUB manually so that this EPUB displays correctly in ADE and Sony Reader? Have you tried embedding "華康儷中宋(P)" in an EPUB manually (without modifying the TTF file)? If so, did it work?

ericshliao
12-29-2009, 10:27 PM
But I have another question. Is it possible to embed a font with a Chinese name into an EPUB manually so that this EPUB displays correctly in ADE and Sony Reader? Have you tried embedding "華康儷中宋(P)" in an EPUB manually (without modifying the TTF file)? If so, did it work?

Yes. I can embed Chinese TTF (with Chinese font-family name) into epub. Inf fact, it's the only way to display Chinese glyphs in ADE. Chinese glyphs in epub without a embedding font will be "?". Here is an working example:
@font-face {
font-family : MyFont;
font-weight : normal;
font-style: normal;
src : url(font.ttf);
}
body{margin-left:5%;margin-right:5%;margin-top:5%;margin-bottom:5%;background:Black;color:white}
p{text-indent:4em;margin-left:0;line-height:26pt;margin-right:0;margin-top:0;margin-bottom:15pt;font-family: MyFont;font-size:150%;line-height: 120%}
.p0{text-indent:0;margin-left:0;line-height:1;page-break-before:always}
.p2{text-indent:-0.31in;margin-left:0.92in}
.p3{text-indent:-0.5in;margin-left:1.11in}
.t0{font-family:Wingdings;font-size:255%}
.t1{font-size:255%}
.t2{font-family:Wingdings;font-size:218%}
.t3{font-size:218%}
.t6{font-family:MyFont}
.t7{text-decoration:line-through}
.t8{font-family:MyFont}
.t9{background:yellow}
.t10{background:yellow}
.t11{font-family:MyFont;background:yellow}


In fact, Chinese font-family name does not matter in this case. I just renamed the filename to "font.ttf“ for simplicity.

The attached image is the result of epub in ADE without embedding font. TOC is ok, but contents is all "?".

awp
12-30-2009, 01:36 PM
Yes, I did exactly the same. But I cannot make ADE use the embedded Chinese fonts "汉鼎繁古印" and "汉鼎繁琥珀". I do not know why ADE does not want to use them (on my English system at least).

You can use any alias name for an embedded font in the CSS file of EPUB indeed. Normally CSS stylesheets are plain text ASCII files. And it is a good idea to use English names for embedded fonts. But theoretically, Chinese characters can be also used if you add the following "at-rule" at the beginning of a CSS file:

@charset "UTF-8";

But I do not know how many (if any) eBook readers support this rule in CSSs.

awp
12-31-2009, 09:54 PM
A number of Asian fonts are distributed as TrueType collections (.ttc files) - multiple OpenType fonts in a single file structure. For instance, the standard Windows fonts MingLiU / PMingLiU, MS Mincho / MS PMincho, and SimSun / NSimSun are distributed as TrueType collections.

It seems that ADE and Sony Reader do not support embedded font collections in EPUBs.

Have anyone tried embedding TrueType collections into EPUBs?

ericshliao
01-05-2010, 06:33 PM
I tried several ttc fonts on my XP, including "Cambria.ttc". It seems ADE does not accept embedded TTC font, but EPUBReader (a Firefox plugin) does.

awp
01-05-2010, 07:01 PM
Thanks for info. The present version of Atlantis Word Processor does not embed TTC files. TTC embedding can be easily implemented. But since only a Firefox plugin supports embedded TTCs, I am not sure that embedding them makes sense.

Boomstick
01-06-2010, 07:35 AM
Would someone please take a look at this thread (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67845), read post ten and tell me if what I want to achieve, is possible.

Thanks in advance.

charleski
01-06-2010, 10:34 AM
Would someone please take a look at this thread (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67845), read post ten and tell me if what I want to achieve, is possible.

Thanks in advance.
Opening the main TOC menu opens up a list with:

Title Page
Mains: Meat
Mains: Fish
Mains: Vegetarian
ETC
ETC
And so on
And so forth

Is it possible to set each of those options as a TOC? So clicking on Mains: Meat would open another TOC menu listing all the recipes under that section, then I can utilise the buttons down the right hand side of my eReader as each button would link to a specific recipe.

You can certainly create a hierarchical TOC. Set meat, fish, vegetarian etc to be h1, then set the recipes in each section to h2. Use the 'heading1' and 'heading2' styles in AWP.

Boomstick
01-06-2010, 12:31 PM
You can certainly create a hierarchical TOC. Set meat, fish, vegetarian etc to be h1, then set the recipes in each section to h2. Use the 'heading1' and 'heading2' styles in AWP.

I'm not sure what you mean by h1 & h2.

This is the layout I have currently:

------------------------
Recipes (TOC Title)

[TOC 5]
Mains: Meat
Mains: Fish
Mains: Vegetarian
Mains: Pasta
Mains: Pies
Desserts: Cakes
Desserts: Ice-Cream
Desserts: Cheesecakes
Desserts: Crumbles
Desserts: Tarts
Desserts: Pastries
Soups: Meat
Soups: Fish
Soups: Vegetarian
Snacks & Sides
[/TOC 5]

[Page Break]

[Heading 5] Mains: Meat [Heading 5]
Hyperlinks to recipes
[Page Break]

[Heading 5]Mains: Fish [Heading 5]
Hyperlinks to recipes
[Page Break]

[Heading 5]Mains: Vegetarian [Heading 5]
Hyperlinks to recipes
[Page Break]

[Heading 5]Mains: Pasta[Heading 5]
Hyperlinks to recipes
[Page Break]

[Heading 5]Mains: Pies[Heading 5]
Hyperlinks to recipes
[Page Break]

[Heading 5]Desserts: Cakes[Heading 5]
Hyperlinks to recipes
[Page Break]

[Heading 5]Desserts: Ice-Cream[Heading 5]
Hyperlinks to recipes
[Page Break]

[Heading 5]Desserts: Cheesecakes[Heading 5]
Hyperlinks to recipes
[Page Break]

[Heading 5]Desserts: Crumbles[Heading 5]
Hyperlinks to recipes
[Page Break]

[Heading 5]Desserts: Tarts[Heading 5]
Hyperlinks to recipes
[Page Break]

[Heading 5]Desserts: Pastries[Heading 5]
Hyperlinks to recipes
[Page Break]

[Heading 5]Soups: Meat[Heading 5]
Hyperlinks to recipes
[Page Break]

[Heading 5]Soups: Fish[Heading 5]
Hyperlinks to recipes
[Page Break]

[Heading 5]Soups: Vegetarian[Heading 5]
Hyperlinks to recipes
[Page Break]

[Heading 5]Snacks & Sides [Heading 5]
Hyperlinks to recipes
[Page Break]

Recipes

[Page Break]

[List of recipes linked into the above via bookmarks & hyperlinks]
------------------------------------

What I'm trying to accomplish is that clicking on Mains: Meat from the above TOC opens another TOC with all the meat dish recipes listed. Clicking on Mains: Pasta opens another, separate TOC with all the pasta dishes linked and so on & so forth.

If this is what you mean already, can you tell me exactly what I need to change (or if I need to rebuild the whole thing from the ground up) because I'm pretty stumped thus far :(

charleski
01-06-2010, 01:41 PM
If you're using AWP, just set the style of your main headings to heading1 (in the Format menu) and use the heading2 style for the recipes.

Have you tried that?

Boomstick
01-06-2010, 02:46 PM
I have tried that now.

After selecting "update entire table" within Atlantis, the file now looks like this:

------------
Recipes: [TOC Title]

[TOC 1]
Mains: Meat
Mains: Fish
Mains: Vegetarian
Mains: Pasta
Mains: Pies
Desserts: Cakes
Desserts: Ice-Cream
Desserts: Cheesecakes
Desserts: Crumbles
Desserts: Tarts
Desserts: Pastries
Soups: Meat
Soups: Fish
Soups: Vegetarian
Snacks & Sides[/TOC 1]
[TOC 2]
All Recipes[/TOC 2]
----------------------

The recipes aren't selectable from their own sections but are all listed under Snacks & Sides. What else do I need to change?

awp
01-06-2010, 05:15 PM
Did you mean the document structure as in the attached Recipes.rtf?

awp
01-06-2010, 05:18 PM
I am also attaching the corresponding EPUB generated by Atlantis Word Processor from Recipes.rtf.

awp
01-06-2010, 05:23 PM
By the way, you do not necessarily need to include an inline TOC in the source document in order to have a NCX TOC in eReader for your EPUB book (please see attached files).

Boomstick
01-06-2010, 08:14 PM
By the way, you do not necessarily need to include an inline TOC in the source document in order to have a NCX TOC in eReader for your EPUB book (please see attached files).

Thank you ever so much. This is exactly what I want.

awp
01-06-2010, 08:50 PM
I would personally use a 3-level heading hierarchy.

Level 1: Mains, Desserts, Soups, Snacks & Sides.
Level 2: Meat, Fish, Vegetarian, etc.
Level 3: Recipe #1, Recipe #2, Recipe #3, etc.

Please see attached files. You might like this 3-level structure more.

Boomstick
01-06-2010, 09:42 PM
I would like to retract my previous post. That^^ is exactly what I'm after.

Thanks again. :)

Edit:

If it's simple enough, how would I go about splitting the Cheesecakes section? Is it possible to do this "on the fly" without having to rewrite the template each time as there might be other sections I need to split at a later date.

Edit II:

Am I correct in assuming that I just create a heading4 style, set that as the recipe heading (obviously changing all recipe headings in the process) then make any necessary changes to the heading3 style and insert that between the "Cheesecakes" heading and any relevant recipes?

awp
01-07-2010, 06:24 PM
It is very simple. You actually do not even need any template. You only need to remember a few simple things:

Any paragraph in your source document should be either a "heading" or a "body text" paragraph.

A "heading" is a paragraph associated with one of the "Heading N" styles. You can have up to 9 "Heading N" styles in your document: "Heading 1", "Heading 2", ... "Heading 9". The N number in a style name corresponds to the outline (hierarchy) level of this style.

A "body text" paragraph is a paragraph associated with any style other than "Heading N".

All the "heading" paragraphs from your source document get included in the TOC (Table Of Contents) of the eBook. So when you want a paragraph to be included in the TOC, just format (associate) it with a "Heading N" style of the corresponding level.

Adding "body text" to your document is very simple. Just type any text, and make sure it is associated with a non-"Heading N" style.

Before adding "headings" to your document, it is preferable to decide how many heading levels you will have in your document.

The "Recipes (no inline TOC).rtf" document (attached to one of the above posts) has headings of 2 levels. The level-1 headings are associated with the "Heading 1" style. The level-2 headings are associated with the "Heading 2" style. "Body text" paragraphs in "Recipes (no inline TOC).rtf" are associated with the "Normal" style. So only 3 styles are used in this document.

"Recipes (3-level TOC).rtf" has headings of 3 levels. The level-1 headings are associated with the "Heading 1" style. The level-2 headings are associated with the "Heading 2" style. The level-3 headings are associated with the "Heading 3" style. "Body text" paragraphs are associated with the "Normal" style. 4 styles are used in "Recipes (3-level TOC).rtf".

But you said that you like the 2-level structure more. In this case you only need 3 styles in your document: "Heading 1", "Heading 2", and "Normal". You can easily apply one of these styles to any paragraph in your document (even when you create a document from scratch). The Ctrl+Shift+S hot key in Atlantis Word Processor displays a list of the paragraph styles available in the active document. When you need to apply a different style to the current paragraph, just press Ctrl+Shift+S, select the desired style with the arrow keys, then press Enter to associate the selected style with the current paragraph. So when you want to make the current paragraph a "heading", just press Ctrl+Shift+S, and choose either the "Heading 1" or "Heading 2" style, then press Enter.

Breaking, moving or merging chapters is very simple when you understand the purpose of these 3 styles, and how to apply them to individual paragraphs.

When to use the "Heading 1" style? In your case, level-1 headings (I mean headings associated with the "Heading 1" style) correspond to a group of related recipes. The following paragraphs in your document should be associated with the "Heading 1" style:

Mains: Meat
Mains: Fish
Mains: Vegetarian
Mains: Pasta
Mains: Pies
Desserts: Cakes
Desserts: Ice-Cream
Desserts: Cheesecakes
Desserts: Crumbles
Desserts: Tarts
Desserts: Pastries
Soups: Meat
Soups: Fish
Soups: Vegetarian
Snacks & Sides

Each "Heading 1" paragraph should have multiple associated recipes. Each recipe should be preceded by a "recipe name" (or "recipe title", or "recipe heading") paragraph. The recipe text should be associated with the "Normal" style. The "recipe heading" paragraph should be associated with the "Heading 2" paragraph. This will allow to have the following outline structure of the document:

Mains: Meat (Heading 1)
Recipe #1 heading (Heading 2)
Recipe #1 text (Normal)
Recipe #2 heading (Heading 2)
Recipe #2 text (Normal)
Recipe #3 heading (Heading 2)
Recipe #3 text (Normal)
Mains: Fish (Heading 1)
Recipe #4 heading (Heading 2)
Recipe #4 text (Normal)
Recipe #5 heading (Heading 2)
Recipe #5 text (Normal)
Recipe #6 heading (Heading 2)
Recipe #6 text (Normal)
Etc.

awp
01-07-2010, 06:33 PM
Let's take an example. Let's suppose that you have the following structure of your document:

Desserts: Ice-Cream (Heading 1)
Recipe #1 heading (Heading 2)
Recipe #1 text (Normal)
Recipe #2 heading (Heading 2)
Recipe #2 text (Normal)
Recipe #3 heading (Heading 2)
Recipe #3 text (Normal)
Desserts: Cheesecakes (Heading 1)
Recipe #4 heading (Heading 2)
Recipe #4 text (Normal)
Recipe #5 heading (Heading 2)
Recipe #5 text (Normal)
Recipe #6 heading (Heading 2)
Recipe #6 text (Normal)
Desserts: Crumbles (Heading 1)
Recipe #7 heading (Heading 2)
Recipe #7 text (Normal)
Recipe #8 heading (Heading 2)
Recipe #8 text (Normal)
Recipe #9 heading (Heading 2)
Recipe #9 text (Normal)

As you said, you wanted to split the "Desserts: Cheesecakes" section. Let's suppose that you want to add a new section "Desserts: Biscuits" between "Desserts: Cheesecakes" and "Desserts: Crumbles". Let's suppose that the "Recipe #6" above should be included in this new "Desserts: Biscuits" section. Here are the step-by-step instructions:

1) Click at the end of the "Recipe #5 text", or immediately before the "Recipe #6 heading", and press Enter to create a new blank paragraph.

2) Press Ctrl+Shift+S, choose "Heading 1" with the arrow keys, and press Enter.

3) Type "Desserts: Biscuits" (without quotes of course).

That is all. Now you should have the following structure of the document:

Desserts: Ice-Cream (Heading 1)
Recipe #1 heading (Heading 2)
Recipe #1 text (Normal)
Recipe #2 heading (Heading 2)
Recipe #2 text (Normal)
Recipe #3 heading (Heading 2)
Recipe #3 text (Normal)
Desserts: Cheesecakes (Heading 1)
Recipe #4 heading (Heading 2)
Recipe #4 text (Normal)
Recipe #5 heading (Heading 2)
Recipe #5 text (Normal)
Desserts: Biscuits (Heading 1)
Recipe #6 heading (Heading 2)
Recipe #6 text (Normal)
Desserts: Crumbles (Heading 1)
Recipe #7 heading (Heading 2)
Recipe #7 text (Normal)
Recipe #8 heading (Heading 2)
Recipe #8 text (Normal)
Recipe #9 heading (Heading 2)
Recipe #9 text (Normal)

Merging sections is even simpler. Let's suppose that you want to undo creation of the "Desserts: Biscuits" section. Just select the entire "Desserts: Biscuits" paragraph in your document (click at the beginning of this paragraph, and press Ctrl+Shift+End), and press Del.

Individual recipes can be easily moved within the document. You only need to select the corresponding "recipe heading"+"recipe text", cut it to the clipboard (Ctrl+X), and paste before the desired heading of another recipe, or before another "Heading 1" paragraph. This can be also done with the mouse (I mean "drag & drop"). Things are even more convenient if you use the "Headings" panel of the Control Board of Atlantis (http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/help/index.php?page=html/control_board_headings.htm). You could also have automatic numbering for your recipe headings. I could explain all this in details. But I afraid my post is already too long. :)

awp
01-07-2010, 06:46 PM
There is one more method to move entire chapters within the document. If you select the "chapter heading"+"chapter body", you can move the selection within the document with the Shift+Alt+Up or Shift+Alt+Down hot keys. This method is explained here in details (http://atlantiswordprocessor.blogspot.com/2010/01/moving-text-with-key-press.html).

Boomstick
01-07-2010, 08:55 PM
That is all absolutely fantastic. I honestly have no idea why I was having so much trouble with this to begin with as it really is so very simple.

And yes, I preferred the two level TOC until you provided the level three one, which spaced items out just a little better.

Thanks again.

tkoc
01-12-2010, 04:51 PM
Interesting software, thanks for the tip. As a ebook newbie I will try my hands on it running it on OS X in Parallels. Seems promising.

awp
01-13-2010, 11:39 AM
We did not test Atlantis Word Processor under Parallels. But it would be interesting to know if Atlantis works under this virtualization software.

awp
01-15-2010, 11:35 AM
Just an update on the latest changes to the Save as eBook (http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/help/index.php?page=html/ebook.htm) feature of Atlantis Word Processor.

The latest beta version (http://www.AtlantisWordProcessor.com/en/beta) of Atlantis Word Processor saves cover images to eBooks in a more friendly way towards the Mobipocket Reader. You can find the details here:

http://atlantiswordprocessor.blogspot.com/2010/01/ebook-cover-images-and-mobipocket.html

Joebill
01-16-2010, 08:38 AM
Excellent ! I took one of my poems, saved as epub, and it reads just fine in the Adobe DE I have installed on my desktop computer. I'll convert several of my poems and load them on my Astak later today. I'll post back and let you all know how it went. Well... this weekend is 50% extra experience in Everquest, so there might be a slight delay on working on my poems.

awp
01-16-2010, 09:24 AM
A further improvement of the Save as eBook (http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/help/index.php?page=html/ebook.htm) feature of Atlantis Word Processor.

As you probably know, the major eBook readers do not support the "small caps" and "all caps" formatting in EPUBs. I mean the "font-variant: small-caps" and "text-transform: uppercase" CSS attributes.

The latest beta version of Atlantis Word Processor (http://www.AtlantisWordProcessor.com/en/beta) automatically simulates the "small caps" formatting in EPUBs by applying the uppercase pattern and a reduced font size to lowercase letters. The "all caps" formatting is also simulated. The details are here:

http://atlantiswordprocessor.blogspot.com/2010/01/lifting-limitations.html

Joebill
01-16-2010, 10:00 AM
I registered my copy of Atlantis, and in another thread, looking for a place to upload my epub done 3 poems as a test. If no one has any suggestions, I can always upload them to my poetry site.

nohuhu
01-23-2010, 05:07 PM
awp,

Some questions if you don't mind:

When it will be possible to open epub document for editing?
Are there any plans for including regular expressions Search & Replace as standard feature? I'm afraid without it this otherwise very fine editor is much too underpowered for any serious consideration as main ebook preparation/conversion tool.
Is it possible to import html documents? Can't see a way just now and it also a shortcoming in my view.
Scripting/macros? If you could embed Perl in there, I think I'd be just ecstatic, and not only I.
Finally, any thoughts on ditching that outdated and inconvenient MDI approach? Even Microsoft did that, eventually. (Somebody or another be praised) :)


These are the issues preventing me from buying a license right now, in priority order. I guess I could live with MDI but other issues are major in my opinion. From your blog, I got an impression that most of the new features and improvements are related to epub and that could mean that the editor is groomed as primary tool for the ebook preparing people who can't (or won't) afford production system like Adobe InDesign. That niche, as far as my research indicates, is completely empty at present, Sigil project being in unstable alpha stage and other tools like eScape and online or standalone converters being a little less than completely unusable.
I'm sad to say that situation changes very, very slowly. I've been monitoring this segment for long time and although there are faint gleams of hope appearing recently, it's still a long way to happiness here. I think epub has great potential but it can't be used as a base e-library format as yet. However, provided that there is at least one decent and inexpensive tool, the situation could change pretty fast, I think.

As one more suggestion, I think it couldn't hurt to add importers for "competing" ebook formats. Batch conversion doesn't always yield expected results and in my experience, some manual adjustment is required almost always and that is better done on a piecemeal basis.

Anyway, Atlantis looks promising so far.

awp
01-24-2010, 05:27 PM
From your blog, I got an impression that most of the new features and improvements are related to epub and that could mean that the editor is groomed as primary tool for the ebook preparing...

Actually it is just a coincidence that many posts in the Atlantis Word Processor Blog are about its "Save as eBook" feature. It is a relatively new feature which was introduced 6 months ago. We also made many improvements to this feature following positive response from our end-users. The Atlantis blog itself is also a relatively new thing – it is only 3 months old. So it is quite natural that there should be many eBook-related posts in the blog. But of course there will be posts on other issues and features of Atlantis.

We understand that most members of the mobileread.com forum might be interested mainly in the EPUB creation feature of Atlantis. But the "Save as eBook" feature is just one of the many features Atlantis has to offer. First and foremost Atlantis aims at being a fully-fledged word processor. It won't ever be a simple conversion tool, not even to the EPUB format. Atlantis is not built around its eBook-related capabilities like other eBook software discussed in this forum. The Atlantis eBook feature is rather an add-on to the main capabilities of Atlantis. One of the mottos of Atlantis is "the creative writer's best friend". Atlantis is designed mainly so that writers can compose and format text as easily and conveniently as possible. This is the most important and daunting task facing a writer, the e-publishing phase itself being only rather like the final icing on the cake. :)

Quite understandably, many writers are totally unfamiliar with such things as scripting, XHTML, CSS, OCF, OPF, OPS, conversion to the EPUB format, etc. Their job is to write text, not to become experts in the EPUB or XHTML arcane specifications. As a matter of fact, the conversion to the EPUB format often proves a real stumbling block to a lot of writers, as is obvious from this teleread article (http://www.teleread.org/2009/06/17/the-legend-of-atlantis-why-mojos-in-love-with-this-word-processor-and-epub-creator/). This is why we have added the "Save as eBook" feature to Atlantis, so that people do not spend so much time on various EPUB stuff meant for programmers or tech geeks but not for writers. The idea behind the "Save as eBook" feature of Atlantis was to make EPUB file creation as simple as possible. This is why Atlantis does the conversion to the EPUB format fully automatically: only a few mouse clicks are needed to convert any document to an EPUB file. Atlantis users can write their own documents from scratch or import existing documents in any of the supported formats (DOC, DOCX, RTF, ODT, TXT). Converting them to a publishable EPUB file is then as easy as ABC.

Are there any plans for including regular expressions Search & Replace as standard feature?

"Regular expressions" are on the wish list. But I cannot say when they will be implemented in Atlantis. Honestly, they are not on the "most urgent" list.

Scripting/macros? If you could embed Perl in there...

Sorry, but it is unlikely that Atlantis will ever support Perl scripting.

I think it couldn't hurt to add importers for "competing" ebook formats.

If other major eBook formats were "open", we would consider adding support for them.

When it will be possible to open epub document for editing?

Any document opened in Atlantis is first converted to the internal format of Atlantis. A book content in this internal format can be then converted to the EPUB format. From a purely technical point of view, an EPUB document could be converted to the internal format of Atlantis. But even if Atlantis was capable of importing existing EPUB files, re-saving them in Atlantis would produce a rather different EPUB content. Atlantis could not automatically perform the "delicate" EPUB tweaking that is necessary in such cases. You can however perform advanced tweaking of any EPUB file yourself manually if you use our free tweak_epub (http://atlantiswordprocessor.blogspot.com/2009/11/tweaking-epubs-its-just-zip-file.html) utility.

But if you want to edit EPUB files generated by Atlantis, it is much preferable to open the corresponding source documents in Atlantis, whether they have been created in the RTF, DOC, or DOCX format, edit them as desired, then re-save them in Atlantis as eBook (File | Save Special > Save As eBook...). The conversion to the EPUB format will then be as lossless as possible.

Is it possible to import html documents?

Atlantis currently cannot import HTML documents. But it is fairly easy to convert HTML text to the RTF, DOC or DOCX format. Internet Explorer has a command to "Copy selection to the clipboard". It places data onto the clipboard in RTF format. So you can open any HTML document in IE, "select all" text with Ctrl+A, "copy" the selection with Ctrl+C, then paste the clipboard contents into Atlantis with Ctrl+V. You'll get a reasonably faithful copy of the original HTML text.

Finally, any thoughts on ditching that outdated and inconvenient MDI approach?

What's wrong with the "Multi Document Interface"? Would you rather have multiple document tabs on the Windows Taskbar? Actually, many seasoned MS Word users look back nostalgically to the good old days when MS Word had a MDI interface… I am not even mentioning the new ribbon GUI of MS Word 2007+. :)

andymillson
01-27-2010, 04:40 PM
We did not test Atlantis Word Processor under Parallels. But it would be interesting to know if Atlantis works under this virtualization software.

I use VMWare Fusion (another virtualization product) to run Windows (XP and Vista, and 7 hen i get around to it) on my Mac

So far the Atlantis WP works great

In most cases, most windows apps work well using virtualization. Games or apps that use 3D graphics etc arent always quite so successful

Andy

bthoven
01-28-2010, 04:18 AM
I have problem with embedded Thai fonts (I use FreesiaUPC)

After creating an epub output file by Atlantis with embedded Thai font, the ebook shows Thai characters correctly in the Adobe ADE reader, but it won't wrap the sentence to fit the display window; the text just overflow to the right of the display window.

From what I have inspected by looking at the output 1.html inside the zipped epub file and compare with what it displays on Adobe ADE, every paragraph in the html will display in one line only in Adobe ADE. So each paragraph content will be overflown to the right of the display screen.

I've tried embedded English font, and there is no such problem.

Is there any way to solve this problem?

awp
01-28-2010, 06:28 AM
I use VMWare Fusion (another virtualization product) to run Windows (XP and Vista, and 7 hen i get around to it) on my Mac

So far the Atlantis WP works great

In most cases, most windows apps work well using virtualization. Games or apps that use 3D graphics etc arent always quite so successful

Andy

Thanks for the info, Andy. According to the feedback from our users, Atlantis Word Processor also performs flawlessly in Wine.

awp
01-28-2010, 06:30 AM
I have problem with embedded Thai fonts (I use FreesiaUPC)

After creating an epub output file by Atlantis with embedded Thai font, the ebook shows Thai characters correctly in the Adobe ADE reader, but it won't wrap the sentence to fit the display window; the text just overflow to the right of the display window.

From what I have inspected by looking at the output 1.html inside the zipped epub file and compare with what it displays on Adobe ADE, every paragraph in the html will display in one line only in Adobe ADE. So each paragraph content will be overflown to the right of the display screen.

I've tried embedded English font, and there is no such problem.

Is there any way to solve this problem?

Lines in your EPUB file (attached to this thread (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70797)) are not wrapped correctly when viewed in ADE and Sony Reader. But Mobipocket Reader, FBReader, and EPUBReader display them correctly. Firefox and Internet Explorer also display the HTML file from your EPUB correctly.

All this has nothing to do with font embedding. It seems that ADE has problems with rendering Thai texts.

bthoven
01-28-2010, 11:03 AM
Lines in your EPUB file (attached to this thread (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70797)) are not wrapped correctly when viewed in ADE and Sony Reader. But Mobipocket Reader, FBReader, and EPUBReader display them correctly. Firefox and Internet Explorer also display the HTML file from your EPUB correctly.

All this has nothing to do with font embedding. It seems that ADE has problems with rendering Thai texts.

Thanks, it really displays fine in FBreader!. Will ADE be improved in the near future?

awp
01-28-2010, 11:58 AM
I suppose this question should rather be directed to the ADE team. :)

Chang
01-29-2010, 08:48 AM
I tried this editor and I have few questions and comments. I'm sorry if these have been answered already but because I read this thread quickly, I didn't find answers for these questions.

I open my MS Word file with Atlantis and my document contains many paragraph styles already. Is there a way to select all unused styles (like in InDesign) so I could see which styles are used in the document? I would like to get rid off all the unused styles.

All the style names in CSS file are just p1, p2 and so on. Is there a way to get the original paragraph style names into CSS file when exporting as an epub? I have styled the whole text with different describing paragraph style names and it would be nice if the same names are used in CSS file. Would be easier to edit style "bodytype" instead of first finding which p# corresponds to my "bodytype" style.

Does Atlantis support character styles? All the italics and bolds are made with <i></i> and <b></b> tags but it would be nice to have more control in that. For example, if I want to have italic text inside a paragraph with 3 different font sizes. Would be easy to control them with different character styles.

Also, the epub file is shown differently in ADE and Azardi. I didn't try in any ebook reader device yet but is it Atlantis' problem or reading systems' problem?

Anyway, a really nice software and keep up the good work! I'll follow its development because it seems to be a promising software for creating ebooks smoothly and easily.

awp
01-29-2010, 07:25 PM
I open my MS Word file with Atlantis and my document contains many paragraph styles already. Is there a way to select all unused styles (like in InDesign) so I could see which styles are used in the document? I would like to get rid off all the unused styles.

There is no one-mouse-click command to delete all unused styles. But you could check the document styles one-by-one in the following way:

1) Press F6 or click the corresponding toolbar button http://www.AtlantisWordProcessor.com/en/help/images/buttons/controlboard.gif in Atlantis if its Control Board (http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/help/index.php?page=html/control_board.htm) is not displaying, and switch to the Styles panel of the Atlantis Control Board (http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/help/index.php?page=html/control_board_styles.htm).

2) Click a style of interest.

3) Click the "Select paragraphs associated with highlighted style" button at the bottom of the Styles panel.

If the current style is unused in the document, Atlantis will display the corresponding message. You could remove the current style by clicking the corresponding button http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/help/images/buttons/controlboard_styles_del.gif at the bottom of the Styles panel.

Please see the attached screen capture.

awp
01-29-2010, 07:52 PM
All the style names in CSS file are just p1, p2 and so on. Is there a way to get the original paragraph style names into CSS file when exporting as an epub? I have styled the whole text with different describing paragraph style names and it would be nice if the same names are used in CSS file. Would be easier to edit style "bodytype" instead of first finding which p# corresponds to my "bodytype" style.

Sorry, but this would not possible. Atlantis does not save the stylesheet of the source document to EPUB. It saves the actual paragraph formatting used in the document. Your entire document might be associated with the same "Normal" style, but each paragraph can have its "personal" paragraph formatting applied through direct formatting commands.

Does Atlantis support character styles? All the italics and bolds are made with <i></i> and <b></b> tags but it would be nice to have more control in that. For example, if I want to have italic text inside a paragraph with 3 different font sizes. Would be easy to control them with different character styles.

The <b> and <i> elements are allowed in EPUB XHTMLs. Atlantis uses them in EPUB XHTMLs because they allow to produce more compact XHTMLs.

The present version of Atlantis does not support character styles (if you mean the character styles as found in MS Word). But you do not need to have them in your source document in order to control the look of the final EPUB. Just format your document visually in the desired way. Atlantis will transfer the formatting to the EPUB in the best possible way. If you want to have italic text inside a paragraph with 3 different font sizes, just format the paragraph in your source document correspondingly (use the commands of Atlantis to apply "italic" and "font size" to the required fragments of your document).

Also, the epub file is shown differently in ADE and Azardi. I didn't try in any ebook reader device yet but is it Atlantis' problem or reading systems' problem?

Sorry, I cannot comment on the EPUB display in Azardi. You could test your EPUBs in major EPUB readers (Sony Reader (http://ebookstore.sony.com/download/), Mobipocket Reader (http://www.mobipocket.com/en/DownloadSoft/ProductDetailsReader.asp), etc). Any proper EPUB file should also pass the EPUB validation test (http://www.threepress.org/document/epub-validate).

nohuhu
01-30-2010, 05:05 AM
Actually it is just a coincidence that many posts in the Atlantis Word Processor Blog are about its "Save as eBook" feature.

OK, got that. Atlantis just isn't what I need. Thanks for replies.

awp
01-30-2010, 06:55 AM
By the way, Atlantis Word Processor 1.6.5 with all the eBook-related features and improvements mentioned in this thread, has been released as a public version. If you are using the beta version of Atlantis, you can upgrade to the latest public version through the "Help | Check for Updates..." menu command of Atlantis, or by running the latest setup file of Atlantis.

Laura81
01-31-2010, 09:42 AM
I just downloaded the demo, opened one of my doc files and wanted to resave as epub but epub was not an option to save as...

Laura81
01-31-2010, 10:52 AM
Ok, scratch that, I did get it to work. I realized I saved it incorrectly. But now it only saved half the document... I had this problem with calibre too.

awp
01-31-2010, 06:52 PM
Could you please send your DOC file to support@AtlantisWordProcessor.com, or attach it to your forum post? If your DOC file contains sensitive information, could you please compose a test document that is not converted to EPUB correctly?

Catire
02-02-2010, 02:34 PM
Ok, scratch that, I did get it to work. I realized I saved it incorrectly. But now it only saved half the document... I had this problem with calibre too.

What type of document is it?

Does it stop at the same place every time? It might be a character or something in the document that the program doesnt recognize, I had this happen to me a while ago with an html file, try deleting the word/characters where it stops to see if that helps you.

awp
02-02-2010, 02:48 PM
I suppose Laura has already managed to solve this problem:
http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71962

Catire
02-02-2010, 03:44 PM
awp - Thank you for providing support, guidance and updates on AWP. :)

awp
02-15-2010, 04:20 PM
The latest beta version of Atlantis Word Processor (version 1.6.5.1) has a new Draft view mode. Under this view mode, documents look much closer to the published eBooks than they do under the Print Layout view mode. EPUB is a reflowable eBook format. The Draft view mode in Atlantis is also reflowable. Those who design eBooks in Atlantis Word Processor, will probably like this Draft mode.

You can always download the latest beta version of Atlantis Word Processor from this page:

http://www.AtlantisWordProcessor.com/en/beta

awp
02-16-2010, 10:16 AM
By the way, it seems that ADE/Sony eReader have problems with displaying PNG images with a 4-bit color palette. If you include the attached "img1.png" in an EPUB (attached "4-bit PNG.epub"), it would not display correctly by ADE and Sony eReader. Atlantis Word Processor does not save 4-bit PNGs to EPUBs. But it is still a strange limitation (bug?) of ADE.

awp
02-18-2010, 12:17 PM
In Atlantis Word Processor Blog (http://atlantiswordprocessor.blogspot.com) you can find information about "intended" and "unintended" page breaks in eBooks:

Page breaks in eBooks (http://atlantiswordprocessor.blogspot.com/2010/02/page-breaks-in-ebooks.html)

6charlong
02-28-2010, 04:59 PM
By the way, Atlantis Word Processor 1.6.5 with all the eBook-related features and improvements mentioned in this thread, has been released as a public version. If you are using the beta version of Atlantis, you can upgrade to the latest public version through the "Help | Check for Updates..." menu command of Atlantis, or by running the latest setup file of Atlantis.

I downloaded the new version but it wouldn't install. The error message reads: Exception EAccessViolation. What am I doing wrong?

awp
02-28-2010, 05:52 PM
Do you mean that the error message is displayed by the setup of Atlantis Word Processor? Or you cannot run the installed copy of Atlantis?

Was it a "clean install", or you had an older version of Atlantis before?

6charlong
02-28-2010, 05:58 PM
It was a clean install of a copy of Atlantis I downloaded. The Atlantis install screen came up and the message box popped up immediately.

awp
02-28-2010, 06:10 PM
It is something exceptional. Our users NEVER reported error messages of the setup of Atlantis Word Processor. Could you attach a screen capture of the entire setup window, or email it to support@AtlantisWordProcessor.com?

Maybe the setup file is corrupt. Please check its size. It should be 3,348,006 bytes (version 1.6.5). If possible, please zip & email your setup file of Atlantis to support@AtlantisWordProcessor.com.

Please try running the online setup file of Atlantis Word Processor:
http://www.AtlantisWordProcessor.com/download/web/atlantis16en.exe (100 KB)
Do you get the same error message?

6charlong
02-28-2010, 07:08 PM
It is something exceptional. Our users NEVER reported error messages of the setup of Atlantis Word Processor. Could you attach a screen capture of the entire setup window, or email it to support@AtlantisWordProcessor.com?

Maybe the setup file is corrupt. Please check its size. It should be 3,348,006 bytes (version 1.6.5). If possible, please zip & email your setup file of Atlantis to support@AtlantisWordProcessor.com.

Please try running the online setup file of Atlantis Word Processor:
http://www.AtlantisWordProcessor.com/download/web/atlantis16en.exe (100 KB)
Do you get the same error message?

Thank you, that link did it. It was a user error: I should have known to use the "Run As Administrator" option. My fault. :o

awp
02-28-2010, 07:13 PM
I am glad that you managed to install Atlantis Word Processor on your PC. But you do not need to launch the setup file of Atlantis Word Processor through the "Run As Administrator" command of Windows. When you launch the setup of Atlantis, it automatically requests "elevation" from Windows.

6charlong
02-28-2010, 08:14 PM
I am glad that you managed to install Atlantis Word Processor on your PC. But you do not need to launch the setup file of Atlantis Word Processor through the "Run As Administrator" command of Windows. When you launch the setup of Atlantis, it automatically requests "elevation" from Windows.

It wouldn't run for me until I used the "Run As Administrator" setting. I even tried shutting off my firewall & AV. Nothing else worked. When it did install, it used the Administrator account Documents folder for the default.

I'm using Windows Vista Home Premium with all of the latest patches from Microsoft. Frankly, my PC has been running slower since the last patches, I think it was the one they pushed out Thursday, February 25th.

I've only used Atlantis for a few minutes but I like it a lot already. Thanks again for your help. :2thumbsup

awp
02-28-2010, 09:05 PM
It wouldn't run for me until I used the "Run As Administrator" setting.

Did you configure the UAC (User Account Control) of your Windows?

When it did install, it used the Administrator account Documents folder for the default.

By default, Atlantis uses the Documents folder of the current user to open/save documents. But this can be changed. Just click the "Browse..." button in the "Tools | Options... > Load/Save" dialog of Atlantis, and choose another "default folder" for your documents. Or uncheck the "Use Document Folder" box in the same dialog. Atlantis would remember "last used" folder, and automatically suggest it next time you use the "File | Open..." command.

6charlong
02-28-2010, 11:35 PM
Did you configure the UAC (User Account Control) of your Windows?

No I didn't. Frankly, I don't know how.

Thanks for the tip on changing the default directory to whatever folder the file came out of. I much prefer it that way.

awp
03-05-2010, 05:59 PM
The latest beta version (http://www.AtlantisWordProcessor.com/en/beta) of Atlantis Word Processor 1.6.5.1 has a new "batch conversion" command. You can use it to convert many documents to the EPUB format at one go.

EPUB is not the only output format offered by this "batch conversion" command. It can convert RTF, DOC, DOCX, ODT, COD (the proprietary encrypted document format of Atlantis Word Processor), or TXT documents to the RTF, DOC, DOCX, COD, TXT, or EPUB format.

You can find details here:
http://atlantiswordprocessor.blogspot.com/2010/03/batch-conversion.html

The new beta can be downloaded from this page:
http://www.AtlantisWordProcessor.com/en/beta

chainring
03-05-2010, 10:24 PM
Are there plans for Atlantis to be able to open, and edit, an ePub anytime soon?

awp
03-06-2010, 01:57 PM
We do not have such plans at the moment. But this might change in the future. Everything is possible.

chainring
03-06-2010, 05:21 PM
We do not have such plans at the moment. But this might change in the future. Everything is possible.I don't know if it would really differ, but how about the user unzipping an ePub and pointing Atlantis to the main file, be that TOC or whatever it is. Sorry, I don't know the structure of an ePub well enough to say for sure...

awp
03-06-2010, 05:59 PM
Pointing Atlantis to what you call "the main file" would not help. Atlantis itself can unzip files. The problem is not with unzipping. The problem is that there are quite many incompatibilities between the content structure of EPUBs and the document structure used in Atlantis and other generic word processors. Most of those incompatibilities (if not all of them) can be probably resolved in one way or another. But it is not a simple task. Things would be much simpler if EPUB editing was the only purpose of Atlantis. But it is not. eBook-related features of Atlantis Word Processor are just a small fraction of the entire set of Atlantis features.

Valloric
03-07-2010, 11:32 AM
The problem is that there are quite many incompatibilities between the content structure of EPUBs and the document structure used in Atlantis and other generic word processors. Most of those incompatibilities (if not all of them) can be probably resolved in one way or another.

AWP would need to include a pretty modern XHTML+CSS renderer (WebKit or Gecko) if it ever wants to open epubs for editing. It's one thing to export a limited set of XHTML+CSS based on what the users mark up in AWP, but it's quite another supporting the display of epub books that people created with something else.

Is that something you have planned? I'd love to see a commercial epub editor.

awp
03-07-2010, 09:59 PM
We have no plans for EPUB editor yet (I mean editor of existing EPUBs). What I meant is that we might add the EPUB import capability to Atlantis Word Processor in the future. EPUB would become a fully-fledged document format of Atlantis (like RTF, DOC, or DOCX).

There would be no need in what you call "a pretty modern XHTML+CSS renderer". Most modern word processors have more powerful rendering engines than any existing EPUB reader. The present version of Atlantis Word Processor does not have all the features of MS Word. But Atlantis still has plenty of text formatting options unsupported by the existing eBook readers. Most existing EPUB books can be perfectly rendered by the current engine of Atlantis Word Processor. Atlantis would only have to convert "XHTML+CSS" to its internal format. This is the main difficulty because there are quite many incompatibilities between "XHTML+CSS" and the internal document format of Atlantis.

Thanks for your comments, Valloric.

charleski
03-08-2010, 04:25 AM
What I meant is that we might add the EPUB import capability to Atlantis Word Processor in the future. EPUB would become a fully-fledged document format of Atlantis (like RTF, DOC, or DOCX).

That would certainly be very interesting, since AWP already has a very powerful xhtml export facility (certainly more useful than Word's html).

If there's one thing I'd ask for, it would be retention of style names on both import and export, i.e. the style name becomes the class name and vice-versa, since the current list of .p1, .p2 etc is sometimes difficult to unravel when you need to make a change afterwards. This could also make it easier to distinguish between defined and generated styles.

awp
03-08-2010, 11:39 PM
It is hard to say anything definite about this because, as I said above, we have no plans to implement the EPUB import in Atlantis Word Processor yet.

Ideally, any file generated by a visual editor should not require manual tweaking. No one tweaks DOCXs (a DOCX file is also a ZIP package with mainly XML files). If we had a single major EPUB reader compliant with the EPUB specifications, such a "perfect visual EPUB editor" could have been created.

Valloric
03-09-2010, 03:33 PM
If we had a single major EPUB reader compliant with the EPUB specifications, such a "perfect visual EPUB editor" could have been created.

If wishes were horses... :)

stxopher
03-10-2010, 04:42 PM
If wishes were horses... :)

...we'd be used to hearing gunshots as they get shot out from under us?

:smartass2

Know what you mean.

amoriguchi
04-11-2010, 11:20 AM
Hello All,

I'm just start studying creating ePub file for comic.

What I want to implement is that when a screen size of a device is higher than 800x600,
comic is viewed as one page which include several frames, and when the screen is
smaller than 800x600, comic frame are displayed one by one.

I think it can be made by creating each image(jpg, gif, png or something) and format
them as one page that can be re-flowable based on screen size.

But by now I tried some by modifying HTML+CSS but no good result.

Is there anyone who can make it available, or if it impossible, please let me know.

Thanks,
akihiro

awp
04-11-2010, 01:02 PM
I do not know what exactly you need. But I have composed a sample RTF document (see attached "Peanuts.rtf"), and converted it to EPUB with Atlantis (see attached "Peanuts.epub").

hieubg
04-14-2010, 06:18 PM
hi, i came across a problem, i have the document with many of endnotes and the reference in the document but they are in text format and not linked, so how can i link them together? there are hundreds of notes in the document, i have couple doc with about 600 notes in each.

awp
04-14-2010, 07:57 PM
It would not be easy to convert such a document in a non-plain-text format with proper linked notes and note references.

How the note references are marked in your plain text document? Something like this?

...

main body text – main body text – main body text[12]

...

[12] note text - note text - note text

...

In any case, if these documents are important to you, you can email them to support@AtlantisWordProcessor.com. We could try to convert your documents to the required format, and send the converted document files to you.

hieubg
04-16-2010, 10:59 AM
Yes my documents exactly like that. But they are not really important, i just want to make nice formatted epub to read. i head that can be done by creating macro for word.

awp
04-16-2010, 04:34 PM
Sorry, but I could not help with macro programming in MS Word. If you do not want to email your documents to support@AtlantisWordProcessor.com, maybe other members of this forum could help. ?

McKGrif
04-25-2010, 11:37 AM
Hi, I stumbled across Atlantis after using eScape for the longest. and let me first say your wysiwyg 'save as epub' feature is fantastic. Now Here is my problem; Atlantis Word Processor doesn't seem to support image or character styles like Open Office Writer (which is what I use), or Microsoft Word. I have attached both the writer and word documents and the epub they each produced. I had to zip the odt file

While the produced epub matches exactly the layout of the documents, that is the problem. Am I right in concluding that Atlantis does not handle image & character styles like word and writer? If so, are there any plans to address this?

If not, as great as the 'save to epub' feature is, I cannot see spending money for a word processor that doesn't do what both, a free program, and a program that comes packaged with almost every windows pc does.

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awp
04-25-2010, 05:23 PM
First, thanks for your comments on the "Save as eBook" feature of Atlantis Word Processor.

While the produced epub matches exactly the layout of the documents, that is the problem.

Sorry, but I do not understand how this could be a problem. The purpose of the "Save as eBook" command is exactly to preserve the layout of the document as displayed in Atlantis.

About styles.
The present version of Atlantis Word Processor supports only "paragraph styles". Character styles (as found in MS Word) (http://pubs.logicalexpressions.com/pub0009/LPMArticle.asp?ID=684) are not supported yet. They are on the "to do" list. But they are not on the priority list.
I am not sure that there are "image styles" in MS Word. Could you please be more specific?

charleski
04-26-2010, 09:28 AM
Am I right in concluding that Atlantis does not handle image & character styles like word and writer? If so, are there any plans to address this?

If not, as great as the 'save to epub' feature is, I cannot see spending money for a word processor that doesn't do what both, a free program, and a program that comes packaged with almost every windows pc does.


Open Word 2007, create a new paragraph style that has 10pt bold text and a new character style that has 14pt bold text. Type some words and apply the paragraph style to them. Now, select one word in the sentence and apply the character style to that. Bingo, it's no longer bold.

Select the character style from the Styles pane and modify it so that it specifies 14pt non-bold text. Bingo, the word that has it applied is now bold.

I can't blame Atlantis for not implementing a feature that's handled so poorly in Word.

McKGrif
04-26-2010, 10:49 AM
By image style I mean set as background so text can typed over it on the page. There is an example of this in both the odt and doc files in my original post.

To charleski, I don't have a problem with styling with word, the problem is the styles don't carry over to Atlantis.

Let me be clear, I think what Atlantis has done is great as a wysiwyg ebook editor, but as it stands now, if I cant import styling from word or office I still have to us sigil to polish my epubs, which is what I do now.

McKGrif
04-26-2010, 11:49 AM
The images aren't really a big deal, but I think charcter styles like dropcap or raised cap, etc are pretty useful.

awp
04-26-2010, 11:55 AM
"Page background" is also on the "to do" list of Atlantis. But it seems that most existing EPUB readers do not support custom page background in EPUBs.

About character styles. I suppose there is some misunderstanding. Or we use different terminology. The present version of Atlantis Word Processor does not support character styles. I mean that you cannot create character styles through the GUI of Atlantis, apply them to fragments of your document, and save them with Atlantis to a document file. But when a MS Word or OpenOffice document contains formatting applied (maintained) through character styles, Atlantis is supposed to load this formatting from a document file correctly. Atlantis does "understand" character styles in document files created with other word processing applications. But when importing a document, Atlantis always converts any character-style-formatting to a direct formatting supported by Atlantis. If you have a document containing text fragments formatted with character styles, and Atlantis does not display it correctly, please email your document to support@AtlantisWordProcessor.com.

awp
04-26-2010, 12:11 PM
charcter styles like dropcap or raised cap, etc are pretty useful.

Now I understand what you mean. In MS Word, "drop cap" is not a character style. It is a direct text formatting type rendered through the mechanism of floating text boxes. Atlantis currently does not support text boxes.

McKGrif
04-26-2010, 05:12 PM
I don't know if my current ereader (nook) supports page background in epubs or not. It does for pdfs, so I thought it might.

The only software I'm aware of that does everything anyone might want is Adobe InDesign, which is way too much (complicated:blink:) for my personal needs.

Anyway, I have not seen a simpler (or better), wysiwyg document to epub feature anywhere else. As it is now I use, Open Office writer + eScape + Azardi + Calibre + Sigil not nearly as simple (clearly), but it gets the job done. Once you get character styles (text boxes) supported, I am definitely a buyer.:)

charleski
04-29-2010, 12:46 PM
Once you get character styles (text boxes) supported, I am definitely a buyer.:)

No current epub designer creates proper dropcaps (don't know why you keep talking about character styles - I think you're just confusing yourself), not even InDesign. If you want dropcaps right now then you need to code the css by hand, there's a thread on this forum that shows how to do it.

I don't know the priorities of the Atlantis team, but automatic dropcap creation would be finicky to do correctly. Word's method is a kludge that can't be translated to reflowable documents, and poorly-done dropcaps look worse than no dropcaps at all. If you want to mark the first character in some way, use bold or increase the font size slightly.

awp
04-29-2010, 02:33 PM
If Atlantis had the "drop cap" function, it would be fairly easy to save "drop-capped" letters to EPUB. Atlantis would convert them to graphic files, and format them with the "left" align in EPUB XHTML. Something like this:

<img src="images/img1.png" alt="img1.png" align="left"/>

McKGrif
04-29-2010, 03:07 PM
No current epub designer creates proper dropcaps (don't know why you keep talking about character styles - I think you're just confusing yourself), not even InDesign. If you want dropcaps right now then you need to code the css by hand, there's a thread on this forum that shows how to do it.

I don't know the priorities of the Atlantis team, but automatic dropcap creation would be finicky to do correctly. Word's method is a kludge that can't be translated to reflowable documents, and poorly-done dropcaps look worse than no dropcaps at all. If you want to mark the first character in some way, use bold or increase the font size slightly.
I am an Open Office writer user, I haven't used word regularly for years. I have been using eScape by IGP, and they refer to Drop/Raised caps etc... as character styles. You are right, though eScape uses the css to produce the dropcap, you cannot see it in writer.

Thanks for the point to that thread.

Truth be told I am probably going to purchase Atlantis, it is the best wysiwyg editor I have come across.

If Atlantis had the "drop cap" function, it would be fairly easy to save "drop-capped" letters to EPUB. Atlantis would convert them to graphic files, and format them with the "left" align in EPUB XHTML. Something like this:

<img src="images/img1.png" alt="img1.png" align="left"/>

I'll be looking forward to this :)

awp
04-29-2010, 07:11 PM
Text boxes are among our priorities. They will allow to implement support for a few extra document components and new formatting types (including drop caps).

charleski
04-29-2010, 08:01 PM
If Atlantis had the "drop cap" function, it would be fairly easy to save "drop-capped" letters to EPUB. Atlantis would convert them to graphic files, and format them with the "left" align in EPUB XHTML. Something like this:

<img src="images/img1.png" alt="img1.png" align="left"/>
The problem here is that you're likely to run into font mismatches, which would look even worse on ereaders that allow the user to select fonts, especially given the wacky choices available on the iPad.

awp
04-29-2010, 08:14 PM
You are right about potential font mismatches. But I personally do not think that this could be a (significant) problem. The drop cap effect itself creates a kind of "font mismatch". Quite often dropped caps display in the source document very differently comparing to the "body text":

glin
05-01-2010, 05:35 AM
Hi,
A silly question by a newbie : Does Atlantis convert .odt files (an OpenOffice.org open format) satisfactorily ?
(links to information about this problem are welcome too).
Thanks.

awp
05-01-2010, 07:02 PM
Atlantis Word Processor does not support all the features and document elements possible in ODT documents. Atlantis might be unable to load some formatting from an ODT document simply because Atlantis does not support the corresponding formatting type. For instance, Atlantis does not support the overline text formatting. Obviously Atlantis could not load and render (display) overline formatting if you open an ODT document with this formatting in Atlantis. But Atlantis does its best to convert as much "incompatible formatting" from ODTs to its internal format as possible. In some areas Atlantis does a better job than the "Open ODT" filter of MS Word. For instance, Atlantis can convert "outline hyperlinks" (hyperlinks implicitly associated with heading paragraphs; their URLs are terminated with "|outline"; they are normally used in TOCs) from ODTs to the internal (MS Word-compatible) format.

So if a document (no matter its format) displays/functions in Atlantis correctly, Atlantis would convert it to EPUB satisfactorily. But it is still preferable to format a source document according to the recommendations from this page:

Atlantis Word Processor Online Help. eBooks. (http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/help/index.php?page=html/ebook.htm)

awp
05-01-2010, 07:11 PM
One more note on ODTs. If you install Atlantis Word Processor to your PC, you could see for yourself how Atlantis loads ODTs and saves them to the EPUB format. This would cost you nothing. The setup file of Atlantis is only 3 MB. You can download it from this page (http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/downloads.htm) and install to your computer in seconds.

glin
05-02-2010, 02:34 AM
Thanks for these information.

eBookLuke
05-07-2010, 01:34 AM
...If you install Atlantis Word Processor to your PC...

When I will install Atlantis Word Processor to my Macintosh?

Doing so I may stop to develop writer2epub (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69636)

Luke

awp
05-07-2010, 12:43 PM
As I know, Atlantis Word Processor can be run on Mac under Windows emulators. Have you tried Darwine (http://darwine.sourceforge.net/index.php) or Parallels Desktop (http://www.parallels.com/en/products/desktop)?

awp
05-07-2010, 01:05 PM
By the way, below is a screen capture of the Atlantis window under Darwine (downloaded from this site (http://www.lectoreselectronicos.com/showthread.php?2814-Atlantis-Guardar-a-ePub)):

awp
05-26-2010, 06:13 PM
One of our users reported a problem related to iPad. If I understand things correctly, iPad does not support the "page-break-before: always" CSS attribute in EPUBs. Page breaks are rendered only between XHTML files when viewed on iPad. Can anyone confirm this? Thank you.

awp
06-29-2010, 03:32 PM
Atlantis Word Processor 1.6.5.2 has been released for betatesting. It includes a number of changes to its "Save as eBook" feature. Page breaks from source documents are now saved to EPUBs differently. Page margins of eBooks can now be controlled through the GUI of Atlantis. Generic font families (or basic fallback fonts) are now automatically saved to EPUBs. Plus there are a few bug fixes.

You can find details on the new version of Atlantis Word Processor here:
http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/beta/news_1_6_5_002.htm

This new version of Atlantis Word Processor can be downloaded from this page:
http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/beta

charleski
07-01-2010, 06:35 AM
Unfortunately, the way you specify margins doesn't actually work as people might expect.

Margins specified in the body element will apply to the entire flow rather than to individual pages within that flow, so code such as

body{margin-left:5%;margin-right:5%;margin-top:5%;margin-bottom:5%}

will produce a 5% margin at the top of the first page in the flow and a 5% margin at the bottom of the final page in the flow, but no top and bottom margins on individual pages within the flow.

What you want to do instead is this:

@page {
margin-top: 12pt;
margin-bottom: 1pt
}
body {
margin-left: 5%;
margin-right: 5%
}


Notice that I used points instead of % for the top and bottom margins - unfortunately ADE's handling of the @page rule is slightly bizarre. If you use % here then ADE will translate it internally into some distance that does not change with changes in the height of the display port*. A margin-top of 100% becomes a margin of roughly 75pts, and a margin-top of 5% is roughly the same as a margin of 4pts (i.e. far too small). In this case it is far safer to specify the margins in points, which should produce a consistent result across reading systems.

The actual size of the bottom margin on a page is governed by the reader's line-fitting algorithm, so I generally just use a very small value there to prevent text from colliding with the bottom of the viewport, which effectively produces a bottom margin a little less than one line-height on the page. It would be a good idea to provide separate inputs for the top and bottom margins so that users can control this as they wish.

*In contrast, left and right margins specified using % in the body do scale properly with viewport changes.

eBookLuke
07-01-2010, 10:30 AM
Unfortunately, the way you specify margins doesn't actually work as people might expect...

Thanks, Charleski!

I will implement yor hint in my next writer2epub!

Luke

Toxaris
07-05-2010, 06:26 AM
In Word I can easily change from 'normal' to 'smart' quotes by doing a replace command. I replace " by " and Word automatically creates smart quotes. It also works somewhat for single quotes.

I tried to do the same trick in Atlantis, but no luck. The " stays " after replace. Is there another way to change from normal to smart quotes in Atlantis other than by hand?

awp
07-05-2010, 09:11 AM
In MS Word, it is rather a side effect than a proper feature. As for me, it is strange when a word processor replaces X with Y when you ask it to replace X with X.

Atlantis Word Processor has the "AutoCorrect After-You-Type" tool. Choose the "Tools | AutoCorrect..." menu command of Atlantis. It scans the active document for text fragments that might need to be corrected (including "straight quotes to smart quotes" corrections). Each reported correction can be accepted or rejected. The "Tools | AutoCorrect..." command of Atlantis suggests corrections according to the settings specified in the "Tools | AutoCorrect Options..." dialog. For example, you can instruct Atlantis to replace straight quotes with French or German quotes.

awp
07-05-2010, 02:02 PM
Unfortunately, the way you specify margins doesn't actually work as people might expect.

Thanks for your note. I will comment on this later.

Toxaris
07-05-2010, 03:45 PM
In MS Word, it is rather a side effect than a proper feature. As for me, it is strange when a word processor replaces X with Y when you ask it to replace X with X.

Atlantis Word Processor has the "AutoCorrect After-You-Type" tool. Choose the "Tools | AutoCorrect..." menu command of Atlantis. It scans the active document for text fragments that might need to be corrected (including "straight quotes to smart quotes" corrections). Each reported correction can be accepted or rejected. The "Tools | AutoCorrect..." command of Atlantis suggests corrections according to the settings specified in the "Tools | AutoCorrect Options..." dialog. For example, you can instruct Atlantis to replace straight quotes with French or German quotes.

Untill now a found it a rather nice 'side effect'. I could not get the autocorrect to work earlier. But that was because I did not see it was some kind of script/program. Great!

awp
07-06-2010, 07:29 PM
Support for heading-less chapters has been added to the latest beta version of Atlantis Word Processor. You can find details here. (http://atlantiswordprocessor.blogspot.com/2010/07/heading-less-chapters.html)

awp
07-15-2010, 02:35 PM
Below is a link to the latest post to the Atlantis Word Processor Blog:
http://atlantiswordprocessor.blogspot.com/2010/07/sticking-with-jpeg.html
It explains how to control graphic format of cover images in eBooks created with Atlantis.

awp
10-01-2010, 10:39 AM
The tweak_epub utility can now be launched directly in a file manager by right-clicking an EPUB file. You can find details here. (http://atlantiswordprocessor.blogspot.com/2010/09/tweaking-epubs-5-make-it-quick-with.html)

awp
02-23-2011, 02:59 PM
A new version of Atlantis Word Processor – 1.6.5.4 – has been released. It includes improvements to the "Save as eBook" feature:
http://www.AtlantisWordProcessor.com/en/news/1_6_5_004.htm#toc2

awp
04-22-2011, 04:04 PM
Atlantis Word Processor 1.6.5.7 with a critical bug fix to the Save as eBook (http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/help/ebook.htm) feature has been released:
http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/tweets/2011_04_22.htm

democrite
10-31-2011, 03:55 AM
Same issue with no top and bottom margin as mentioned before. Seems this hasn't been fixed yet?

secretdream
01-16-2012, 04:02 AM
this program is very very good..thank you for the advice...

awp
02-11-2012, 04:23 PM
Atlantis Word Processor 1.6.5.9 has been released for betatesting. This version of Atlantis is a minor release with an improvement to the Save as eBook (http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/help/ebook.htm) feature. Starting with this new release of Atlantis, specifying cover pictures for your eBooks will be much easier.

Please follow the links below to download the latest beta of Atlantis, and read about its new features:

http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/beta/news_1_6_5_009.htm
http://www.AtlantisWordProcessor.com/en/beta

secretdream
03-01-2012, 05:33 AM
i think,for atlantis,it is not an option to make tables...or recognize tables...

awp
03-03-2012, 12:21 PM
Sorry, but the present version of Atlantis Word Processor does not support tables.

awp
03-03-2012, 06:02 PM
An improvement to the "Save as eBook (http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/help/ebook.htm)" command of Atlantis Word Processor 1.6.5.9 (beta). Previously, Atlantis saved chapter headings to eBooks as ordinary paragraphs represented by the <p> HTML tag. From now on, Atlantis will save chapter headings to eBooks as <hN> HTML elements (<h1>, <h2>, etc). Some eReaders specifically look for the <hN> elements in order to identify chapter headings and display them according to the user's preferences.

The new version can be downloaded here. (http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/beta)

awp
04-26-2012, 07:48 PM
Another improvement to the "Save as eBook (http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/help/ebook.htm)" command of Atlantis Word Processor 1.6.5.9 (beta). This time regarding page margins:

http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/tweets/2012_04_26.htm

The new version can be downloaded here. (http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/beta)

roger64
04-27-2012, 12:42 AM
Sorry, but the present version of Atlantis Word Processor does not support tables.

Thank you for your advertising.

For your information, writer2xhtml (http://writer2latex.sourceforge.net/)(a free* extension to LibreOffice or OpenOffice) has been supporting tables (and ordered lists) since a very long time now.

It has also been supporting for a very long time style mappings for style attributes (i, b, sup tags for example for italics, bold and superscript), for other styles too (if you chose to do so), p for body text, h1, h2 etc. for titles...

It supports, among many other things, images of all sizes (from no-margin full screen to floating ones).

Its coming version (code in beta) will support html5 and svg.

I could provide you with more details and make a comparison feature for feature if you wish .

* LGPL licence

awp
04-27-2012, 08:44 PM
A change regarding landscape-oriented images in EPUBs:
http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/tweets/2012_04_27.htm

awp
05-18-2012, 07:07 PM
A video on saving document notes to EPUB as a separate chapter with a heading in the latest version of Atlantis Word Processor:

http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/videos/including_link_to_notes_in_ebook_toc

awp
06-28-2012, 09:15 PM
Atlantis Word Processor 1.6.5.9 with a number of eBook-related changes and improvements has been released. You can find details here:
http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/tweets/2012_06_28.htm

awp
08-28-2012, 07:54 AM
Atlantis Word Processor 1.6.5.10 with improvements to the Save as eBook (http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/help/ebook.htm) feature has been released for betatesting.
"Big" pictures, automatic bulleted and numbered lists are now saved to EPUB differently. Plus, Atlantis EPUBs are now more "Kindle-friendly".
You can find details here:
http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/beta/news_1_6_5_010.htm

Click here to install the new version of Atlantis Word Processor:
http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/beta

awp
09-05-2012, 06:02 AM
An improvement regarding "first line indent":

http://www.AtlantisWordProcessor.com/en/tweets/2012_09_02.htm

Montyp535
10-08-2012, 02:52 PM
@awp
thanks for the very helpful program - I make all my epubs with it!! Very easy.
BUT: I discovered a changing from older versions to the actual in handling the page margins...
in older versions it was saved as

body{margin-left:3%;margin-right:5%;margin-top:3%;margin-bottom:3%}

and the view in ADE was exactly as wished - with the border.

in 1.6.5.10 it is saved so:

@page{margin-left:3%;margin-right:5%;margin-top:3%;margin-bottom:3%}
body{margin:0}

and it's shown in ADE without any borders...
Is it possible to change it "back" or to implement a point to choose the kind of boders?

awp
10-08-2012, 03:36 PM
The "body" element does not add margins to individual pages. Please click here for details. (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showpost.php?p=987429&postcount=171)

By default, Atlantis Word Processor saves no page margins to EPUBs. In this way, eReaders display the Atlantis EPUBs with their default page margins. If you enabled the "Save page margins" option in the "File | Save Special | Save as eBook..." dialog of Atlantis, you can click the "Setup..." button to specify page margins for your eBooks. Note that ADE does not support page margins specified as percentage values. Please click the "Setup..." button in the "Save as eBook" window of Atlantis, and switch to another measurement unit. By default, Atlantis offers "cm".

Montyp535
10-09-2012, 11:18 AM
thanx for the link and the info about the percentage! such a solution is helpful - but it is not the "end of line" - a solution in the process of the epub-saving would be more comfortable... :-)

Arios
10-09-2012, 01:05 PM
@awp

Hi awp.

I use many tools to create epub and awp is probably one of the easiest to use.

Now, I have a feature request: would it be possible to add to the conversion menu (Save as eBook) an option that would remove empty paragraphs of the doc file? These empty paragraphs are a true plague and not so easy to spot in document files; and they often undermine the "good" behavior of epub files.

I know this kind of function already exists in other converters, so it is certainly possible to add it. It would be really useful, at least for me!

Have a nice day.

Montyp535
10-09-2012, 02:03 PM
mh, I use the empty paragraphs between headings and text and between "breaks" in a chapter... when it should be implemented, then really just as option... :-)

Arios
10-09-2012, 04:36 PM
Hi Montyp535

This is exactly what I am talking about: an option you can enable or disable, nothing more, nothing less!

By the way, if you need to put a space after a heading you could use, in the CSS, the function "margin-bottom: 2em;"

For example:

h1 {
font-size: 2em;
text-align: center;
font-weight: bold;
margin-top: 2em;
margin-bottom: 2em
}

It allows you to precisely adjust the space between these two elements (h1 and the next paragraph).

The problem with empty paragraphs as a space (something like that "<p class="p1">&nbsp;</p>") is especially noticeable at the end of a file: an eReader can put a blank page after it, which is not necessarily desirable.

Personally, I never use empty paragraphs in the epub (and very rarely in document files): it seems much more efficient and judicious for me with styles and CSS.

Have a very nice evening Montyp535!

awp
10-09-2012, 06:22 PM
thanx for the link and the info about the percentage! such a solution is helpful - but it is not the "end of line" - a solution in the process of the epub-saving would be more comfortable... :-)

I am not sure what solution you mean. You can specify page margins directly in the "Save as eBook" window of Atlantis, and use those values for all your eBooks generated by Atlantis. What could be more comfortable? You do not need to specify page margins for each and every document you save as eBook.

awp
10-09-2012, 06:33 PM
would it be possible to add to the conversion menu (Save as eBook) an option that would remove empty paragraphs of the doc file?

If there are unwanted blank paragraphs in your document, it is preferable to fix this problem in the document itself. Just press Ctrl+H in Atlantis, type "^p^p" (without quotes) in the "Find" box, type "^p" (also without quotes) in the "Replace with" box, and click "Replace All". See the screen capture below.

Arios
10-09-2012, 07:46 PM
@awp

Thanks for the fast reply!

Actually it is what I do (^p^p for ^p), but I really like the way writer2xhtml
do it:

AutoCorrect
Ignore hard line breaks
Ignore empty paragraphs
Ignore double spaces



Anyway, more and more I find it easier to deal directly (in code view) with the epub file and with the help of Sigil I can "regex" the empty paragraphs that I have not found in the doc.

Thanks again and have a nice day awp.

PS To Montyp535: "margin-bottom: 2em" was just an example! You can set it up to your liking.

Montyp535
10-10-2012, 03:57 PM
@awp
thanks for the reply. it was a "tinking error" on my side :-) - I got an idea from another side - without body margins, only with page margins - the left an right side I can choose in my reader... I'll test it with left / right 0 and only with bottom/top margin, how the reader shows me the file...

@arios
also thanks for your idea. I have the empty paragraphs for a little makro in word, what deletes the indent of a paragraph after a empty line when I fomat the whole text with indent. but its worth to think about - of course I know the possibility to set a bottom space :-)
I think I know what you desire - a "cleaning makro" of exactly the things you spoke about when saving the book - also a nice solution...

Arios
10-11-2012, 12:34 PM
Hi Montyp535,

Not sure to completely understand, but if you don't want indentation after a heading (<h1> for example) you could use in the CSS: h1 + p {text-indent: 0} In this way, the paragraph immediately after h1 is not indented (if there is an empty paragraph after h1, it will not work).

Montyp535, Atlantis Word Processor does not support macros, so no cleaning macro for me.

Montyp535
10-19-2012, 05:16 AM
whats about the (not) font-embedding with AWP? I was asked a few days ago from a guy with very bad eyes for an ebook WITHOUT any font embedding - he uses only sansserif-fonts and want to set his font on his reader for himself.
When I produce an epub in AWP without the option "embed fonts" is anyhow a reference of the in doc-used font in the styles.css - in the p-tag (font-family:"Times New Roman",serif; ) - and if other fonts are used - in the t-tags (.t7{font-family:"Courier New",monospace; or .t10{font-family:"Palatino Linotype",serif} there are still the Info about other fonts.
And this pevents that he can change the font in his reader. I tested it with coolreader on PC, with my own PB touch - when I manually delete the text in the text, it works...

Is it possible, when the embed-option is switched off, to reduce the info in the css - that I must no manually delete it?

awp
10-21-2012, 02:10 PM
I understand what you mean. But what you are asking for has nothing to do with font embedding. When the "Embed fonts" option is enabled in the "Save as eBook" window, Atlantis Word Processor automatically embeds all the necessary font files in the saved eBook files. If you unpack an EPUB file generated by Atlantis with the "Embed fonts" option enabled, it would contain the "Fonts" folder with the TrueType .ttf files corresponding to the fonts used in your source document.

Regardless of the "Embed fonts" option, Atlantis includes information about fonts in the styles.css file. I presume you do not actually mean "font embedding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Font_embedding)". You mean saving no font formatting (font-families) to EPUB (to the styles.css file). In this way, all eReaders would display your eBook with their default fonts.

I agree that omitting "font-family" formatting in EPUBs altogether might be useful. I might have some news on this soon.

awp
10-23-2012, 01:23 PM
The latest beta version of Atlantis Word Processor offers an option to save "font-less" eBooks.
Please click the following link for details:

http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/tweets/2012_10_23.htm

Montyp535
10-24-2012, 09:39 AM
WOW!! That's fast!! and exactly what "I want" - Now I can choose, if a book could use the reader fonts or not - that's service - for the readers of books - and also for the customers of awp!!
Thank you!

Montyp535
11-09-2012, 09:06 AM
Mh, the options with "no embedding" and "save but not embed" are working - but when I try to embed any font in the epub, I can't found none in the final epub...
I tried some different, because some are not embeddible - but also in older books used fonts are not working. Tested on 1.6.5.10 beta rc4.

awp
11-09-2012, 05:26 PM
I have just tried converting a document to eBook with font embedding. It works as intended.

Do you mean that the font files from your document do not get included in the EPUB file (package), and there is no "Ops/fonts" folder?

Montyp535
11-11-2012, 07:39 AM
Do you mean that the font files from your document do not get included in the EPUB file (package), and there is no "Ops/fonts" folder?

jepp, this happens - tried it on another pc with the same book - the fonts-folder did not exist, no fonts embedded.
Tried on the same pc with the 1.6.5.9 - the (same) fonts are embedded.

mh, that's odd...

awp
11-11-2012, 01:03 PM
Are you sure that the "Save and embed" option is selected in the "Fonts" box of the "Save as eBook" dialog (see attached screenshot)?

Please click the "Exceptions..." button in the "Save as eBook" dialog. Are there any fonts checked?

Could you please email your document file (RTF, DOC, or DOCX) to support@AtlantisWordProcessor.com?

Could you please email your current Atlantis settings to support@AtlantisWordProcessor.com? Please choose the "Tools | Options..." menu command of Atlantis, click the "Save to File..." button, and save your current Atlantis settings as "Atlantis.ini". Please email this .ini file to support@AtlantisWordProcessor.com.

Montyp535
11-11-2012, 03:03 PM
THAT'S odd!! for making the data you wanted I safed the tested book in the old version, made screens and then installed the new beta again over it, made the shots too - and in the safed epub are the fonts this time!! but I'm sure, the selected options were the same...

ok, forget it - it seems to self-repaired with the new installation.

awp
11-11-2012, 03:28 PM
OK. Let me know if you manage to reproduce this problem again.

Montyp535
01-25-2013, 06:17 AM
Hi awp,

just found a new "problem"...
The handling of hyperlinks is wonderful in AWP - but there is no handling with mail-adresses at all by export to epub...
In the AWP the links and the "mail.to:" are shown - but in the epub is only the href for the hyperlink, the mailadress is shown in blue/underlined - but with a klick on it no maileditor opens... and in the text is only the format from the link and the text as is:

<p class="p2"><span class="t1">testadress@test.com</span></p>

can this be fixed?

An is there a possibillity to implement a "switch" for the "linear=" according to the following:

"Reading Systems must provide a means of rendering a Publication in the order defined by the spine, which includes: 1) recognizing the first primary (linear='yes') item in the spine as the beginning of the main reading order of the Publication..."

Some readers are "making fun" - escpecially, when the epub consists of more than one book and with the first opening they don't jump to the first cover...

awp
01-27-2013, 08:03 AM
Atlantis Word Processor "deactivates" the "mailto" hyperlinks by intention when saving as EPUB. I think that there is no point in having clickable email addresses in EPUBs since most (portable) eReaders do not have an email client application.

Why do you need clickable email addresses in your EPUBs?

Turtle91
01-27-2013, 08:24 AM
Why do you need clickable email addresses in your EPUBs?

Not all readers use a device. There are many eReader programs for the PC/Mac that have email clients and react to a clicked 'mail to' link.

The iPad/iPhone, and I assume the kindle HD/nook HD??, have email clients.

The trend in devices is towards MORE capability than just a reader. Why buy a $200 reader when for a $100 more I can get one that does so much more??

awp
01-27-2013, 08:35 AM
OK, but what is a point of making an EPUB that works fine only on specific devices?

There is no technical difficulty with "enabling" "mailto" hyperlinks in EPUBs generated by Atlantis Word Processor. No difficulty at all. The question is: do those "mailto" links make sense in EPUBs?

Turtle91
01-27-2013, 01:46 PM
lol...I think you were writing your post at the same time I wrote mine!

The issue is not making them work right for specific devices, the issue is NOT LETTING them work right on any devices that COULD support them. If you enable the mailto feature, and the user's device doesn't support an email client, then the user will not know the difference. If the user's device DOES support an email client then NOT having it enabled will appear as if the ePub is broken.

awp
01-27-2013, 04:45 PM
Any next release of Atlantis Word Processor will save email addresses to EPUB as clickable hyperlinks.

awp
01-27-2013, 05:01 PM
An is there a possibillity to implement a "switch" for the "linear=" according to the following:

"Reading Systems must provide a means of rendering a Publication in the order defined by the spine, which includes: 1) recognizing the first primary (linear='yes') item in the spine as the beginning of the main reading order of the Publication..."

Some readers are "making fun" - escpecially, when the epub consists of more than one book and with the first opening they don't jump to the first cover...

I think that the best solution in such cases is to manually remove the "linear" attribute from a generated EPUB file. You could easily do this with the tweak_epub (http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/help/tweak_epub.htm) utility. Just open your EPUB file with the tweak_epub utility, and remove linear="no" from the "content.opf" file.

Montyp535
01-28-2013, 07:09 AM
hi awp,

thanks again for the fast reaction - on the weekend I had no net, that I could answer - but turtle had done it in the right way :-)

ok, than I'll use tweak_epub to remove, when there ist no easier way to solve it, no problem...
And for the other thing I'll waiting for the next version :-)

Turtle91
01-28-2013, 08:11 AM
I keep looking for a "Like" button...it's awesome when developers are so supportive!

Thanks!!

awp
01-29-2013, 06:53 AM
I'll use tweak_epub to remove, when there ist no easier way to solve it, no problem...

As I understand, you have only a few "multi-book" EPUBs. It will take seconds to adjust them with the tweak_epub utility.

awp
01-29-2013, 07:03 AM
And for the other thing I'll waiting for the next version :-)

If you need this feature urgently, please click here to update your Atlantis Word Processor (www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/beta/atlantis16en.exe). Just run the setup file, and follow the onscreen instructions.

freecicero
02-03-2013, 08:35 AM
I have used AWP for over a year for my epubs and love it, but I want to add my voice that I am totally with Turtle91 on this request! I do much of my reading on Android tablets and phone and I bet a large part of the market uses similar devices! Thanks!

awp
02-03-2013, 04:38 PM
I am not sure that understand what you mean. EPUB eBooks generated by Atlantis Word Processor, can be read on virtually any eReader device (including Android-based devices).

awp
04-02-2013, 07:10 PM
The first 3 videos on creating eBooks in Atlantis Word Processor:

Part 1 - Introduction:
http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/videos/creating_ebooks_introduction

Part 2 - Adding cover images:
http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/videos/creating_ebooks_adding_cover_images

Part 3 - Adding tables of contents:
http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/videos/creating_ebooks_adding_tables_of_contents

More videos to come.

awp
04-23-2013, 02:23 PM
Two more videos.

Part 4 – Tips on accessing the "Save as eBook" command:
http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/videos/creating_ebooks_tips_on_accessing

Part 5 – Previewing eBooks:
http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/videos/creating_ebooks_previewing

frank14612
04-23-2013, 10:09 PM
Problem: when I try to insert a Table of Contents in a 41-page document, with twenty 1- and 2-level headings, AWP crashes. Any ideas?

awp
04-24-2013, 06:49 AM
Please email your document file to support@AtlantisWordProcessor.com.

awp
04-24-2013, 07:38 PM
Thanks for the document file.

I cannot reproduce the crash.

Could you please provide me with step-by-step instructions on how to reproduce the error?

By the way, the document already contains a table of contents on page #1.

frank14612
04-25-2013, 11:48 AM
Thanks for the document file.
I cannot reproduce the crash.

Could you please provide me with step-by-step instructions on how to reproduce the error?

By the way, the document already contains a table of contents on page #1.
Thank you for checking the file. I have since made many updates to it but I have not changed the headings structure, and when I tried to insert the TOC again today, I had the same result - a crash.

My method of reproducing the error is to delete the existing TOC, place the cursor at the head of the document, and Insert > Table of Contents. At that point there is the crash and appearance of the error message.

This is the error message that appears every time:
======================================
Error

Exception with message
"Access violation at 005491C5 in Atlantis.exe."
raised while executing sensitive operation. Document
"C:\Users\Frank\Documents\Atlantis\Documents\How to Convert 78s Using Audacity.doc" will be closed.

OK
======================================

To answer your question, yes I successfully inserted a TOC consisting of nine numbered Level 2 headings when I had only the nine topics created. The TOC insertion function worked fine up to that point.

Now, you will notice that there are three additional topic headings (#10, 11 and 12) that are not linked. I typed those in by hand after the time when the TOC insertion function refused to work.

I have tried the TOC insertion repeatedly, carefully following the detailed instructions in the Help, since I added new material to the document and sent it to you, but I have received the same crash and error message every time.

I realize that this document is full of illustrations, over 200, which may not be normal for an epub and may be pushing the limits. Could that be an unusual burden on the TOC-creating function?

Regardless of the information above, I think I will try to create a TOC by hand using bookmarks. I'll report back on that.

Thank you for your help!

Frank

frank14612
04-25-2013, 01:11 PM
Success!

I tried the hand-created bookmarks technique, which failed.

Then I completely eradicated the existing, faulty TOC and ran the Insert > Table of Contents again, and this time it worked!

I've sent the resulting AWP and epub files to you as attachments to an e-mail.

Thank you for your help! :)

Frank

awp
04-25-2013, 08:01 PM
My method of reproducing the error is to delete the existing TOC, place the cursor at the head of the document, and Insert > Table of Contents. At that point there is the crash and appearance of the error message.

I have tried everything I could think of. No crash. Everything works correctly. I might need more precise instructions, or possibly the problem is linked to your current settings of Atlantis Word Processor. Here is how you could send me your Atlantis settings:

1. Choose the "Tools | Options..." menu command of Atlantis.
2. Click "Save to File...", and save the settings to an .ini file.
3. Email that .ini file to support@AtlantisWordProcessor.com

By the way, is your Atlantis up-to-date? Please choose the "Help | Check for Updates..." menu command of Atlantis.

It would be even better if you upgraded to the latest beta version of Atlantis. Please click here to upgrade. (http://www.AtlantisWordProcessor.com/en/beta) The beta is stable and safe to use. It will be soon released as a public version.

I realize that this document is full of illustrations, over 200, which may not be normal for an epub and may be pushing the limits. Could that be an unusual burden on the TOC-creating function?

There is nothing wrong with your document. You can have much more complex TOCs in Atlantis. Regrettably I cannot say (yet) what triggers the problem in your system.

awp
04-25-2013, 08:11 PM
Then I completely eradicated the existing, faulty TOC and ran the Insert > Table of Contents again, and this time it worked!

You do not need to re-insert a TOC after making a change to the document structure/headings. Just right-click the existing TOC, and choose the "Table of Contents > Update Entire Table" command from the menu.

I've sent the resulting AWP and epub files to you as attachments to an e-mail.

Thanks, Frank. I have noticed a difference between the two versions of your document that you sent me. There was a manual "page break" character WITHIN the first heading paragraph of the "earlier version" of your document. If my memory serves me correctly, the "Insert TOC" command of older versions of Atlantis had problems with such headings.

In any case, please upgrade to the latest beta version (please see instructions in my previous post). If you still get errors, we will dig deeper.

frank14612
04-25-2013, 10:44 PM
. . . possibly the problem is linked to your current settings of Atlantis Word Processor.
As requested, attached is my Atlantis Tools > Options .ini file.
. . . is your Atlantis up-to-date? <snip> It would be even better if you upgraded to the latest beta version of Atlantis.
As you suggested, I've downloaded and installed the new beta version of Atlantis.
You do not need to re-insert a TOC after making a change to the document structure/headings. Just right-click the existing TOC, and choose the "Table of Contents > Update Entire Table" command from the menu.
Thank you for that tip!

To sum up: In short, no more errors! My book is complete. I don't see why anyone should use any other program(s) than AWP to create epubs. It's so easy! The learning curve for MS Word (before version 2007) users is almost negligible. In my estimation it's the only way to do epubs!

Thanks again! :)

Frank

awp
04-26-2013, 10:03 AM
Thanks for the INI file. Still no crash (on my system).

As you suggested, I've downloaded and installed the new beta version of Atlantis.

Very good. Please let me know if you get any error.

DaleDe
04-26-2013, 10:41 AM
I have joined the users of AWP due in part to the discount price. I have been reading the manual and am impressed with the list of features present. In the discussion of testing the resulting ePub there is a mention of using mobipocket to test. Mobipocket could never read ePub although as one point the windows version could convert one. At any rate it is no longer available. You need to remove all references to mobipocket from the manual.

awp
04-26-2013, 03:05 PM
Yes, the download link is dead. All references to Mobipocket have been removed from the corresponding Help topic. Thanks.

Arios
04-26-2013, 06:36 PM
DaleDe, may I ask you something?

Once you have tested AWP, can you give us your impressions about it (strengths and weaknesses, quality of epub, etc.)?

I think it would be useful.

DaleDe
04-26-2013, 09:18 PM
DaleDe, may I ask you something?

Once you have tested AWP, can you give us your impressions about it (strengths and weaknesses, quality of epub, etc.)?

I think it would be useful.

I will take a stab at it. Likely I will put the review in our wiki when I have finished. So far it looks fine. Of course, the glaring missing feature has already been mentioned: No tables. Imported word files will lose whatever tables they contain although the content will be shown in grouped lists. The only peculiar thing I have found so far is that the number of lines on a page is changed from word so you can't open a word document and expect it to agree page by page which I find a bit strange. I use Word XP (2002).

Dale

awp
04-26-2013, 11:14 PM
The only peculiar thing I have found so far is that the number of lines on a page is changed from word so you can't open a word document and expect it to agree page by page which I find a bit strange.

You should not expect that a MS Word document will be displayed absolutely identically by any word processing application. Different word processors can render the same MS Word document differently. Even different versions of MS Word can render the same document differently. RTFs/DOCs/DOCXs are not PDFs. They are not hardware/software-independent. Different word processors use different rendering engines (different algorithms for computing intercharacter spacing, interline spacing, zooming, font substitution, etc). But a properly designed MS Word document would display correctly in any word processor.

mrmikel
04-27-2013, 07:58 AM
I fiddled with it and found it pretty easy to use. It doesn't take too many gyrations to search for things like paragraph tags either which was nice. I have yet to try using it to produce sections in epubs.

awp
04-27-2013, 08:56 AM
As I understand, you mean "chapters in EPUBs". Just format chapter headings with the corresponding "Heading 1", "Heading 2", etc styles. You can watch a related video here:

http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/videos/creating_ebooks_adding_tables_of_contents

awp
04-27-2013, 02:43 PM
A new video on creating eBooks in Atlantis Word Processor.

Part 6 – Pictures in eBooks:
http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/videos/creating_ebooks_pictures

Arios
04-27-2013, 03:07 PM
Thank you for your response DaleDe.

When the review is ready, I'll read it attentively.

awp
04-28-2013, 10:42 PM
One more video on creating eBooks in Atlantis Word Processor.

Part 7 – Fonts:
http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/videos/creating_ebooks_fonts

awp
04-29-2013, 12:28 PM
Atlantis Word Processor 1.6.5.12 has been released as a public version:
http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/tweets/2013_04_29.htm