View Full Version : Humor Jerome, Jerome K.: Three Men in a Boat (illustrated) v6 07 april 2010


zelda_pinwheel
06-05-2009, 01:37 PM
I made this book to see how far i could push the epub format. I played with advanced features like wrapping non-rectangular images, and included stylistic details like drop caps, illuminated capitals and an embedded font. it was meant as an experiment and a learning experience for myself, but i decided to share it as well because it's a brilliant, hilarious story and i think the illustrations really add to it.

because of the advanced formatting i used, this particular version can't easily be converted to mobipocket, and won't render as well on a small screen (like iphone screens) ; to see it in all its wrapped-illustration, embedded fontification glory, i recommend reading it on a 5" or 6" screen minimum, or alternately on a pc / notebook / netbook (i know, i know ! but apparently some people do that ;))... i've justified the text since i know a lot of people prefer that, and that will show up in ADE or Bookworm.

Since this is my first 100% hand-coded epub, all comments are welcome, and if you spot any errors (i haven't proof-read the text) please let me know.


Description from wikipedia :

Three Men in a Boat (To Say Nothing of the Dog), published in 1889, is a humorous account by Jerome K. Jerome of a boating holiday on the Thames between Kingston and Oxford.

The book was initially intended to be a serious travel guide, with accounts of local history along the route, but the humorous elements took over to the point where the serious and somewhat sentimental passages seem a distraction to the comic novel. One of the most praised things about Three Men in a Boat is how undated it appears to modern readers, the jokes seem fresh and witty even today.

The three men are based on Jerome himself (the narrator J.) and two real-life friends, George Wingrave (who went on to become a senior manager in Barclays Bank) and Carl Hentschel (the founder of a London printing business, called Harris in the book), with whom he often took boating trips. The dog, Montmorency, is entirely fictional, but "as Jerome admits, developed out of that area of inner consciousness which, in all Englishmen, contains an element of the dog." The trip is a typical boating holiday of the time in a Thames camping skiff. This is just after commercial boat traffic on the Upper Thames had died out, replaced by the 1880s craze for boating as a leisure activity.


edit : v2 already ! fixed a few details in the metadata. previous downloads : 7.
v3 : removed thumbs.db to reduce filesize. downloads of version 2 : 26
v4 : added missing hr to chapter 2. downloads of v3 : 15
thank goodness for the mad proof-reading skillz around here. ;)
v5 : corrected more typos, removed unused font file, and removed extraneous alt texts (thank you to alecE, Esseb, and Valloric). downloads of v4 : 228
v6 : thanks to Jellby, corrected many many (...many...) typos and formatting errors. much karma to him for taking the trouble to make notes of all those little details. :) downloads of v5 : 924

mtravellerh
06-05-2009, 01:44 PM
Fantastic work! I bow before thee, o our queen! This is the new reference for ePubs!

zelda_pinwheel
06-05-2009, 01:48 PM
Fantastic work! I bow before thee, o our queen! This is the new reference for ePubs!

wow !! thanks so much for your enthusiastic response ! actually i think jellby is still the epub god, and much of the advanced code i used here was developped / refined with his help ; i certainly could never have done this without him. but i'm glad you like the book. :)

Jellby
06-05-2009, 02:41 PM
Now, where is the ePUB firmware for the Cybook? :D

Thanks, Zelda, this is a book I have to read!

zelda_pinwheel
06-05-2009, 02:46 PM
Now, where is the ePUB firmware for the Cybook? :D

Thanks, Zelda, this is a book I have to read!

i can't wait to hear your thoughts !! i bow to your mad epub skillz, so i'll be interested to hear what you have to say.

and if this is the first time you're reading this story, you are in for a real treat !!

(and yes, where *is* the epub firmware for the cybook ????? ;))

Jellby
06-05-2009, 03:07 PM
i can't wait to hear your thoughts !! i bow to your mad epub skillz, so i'll be interested to hear what you have to say.

Well, I just opened it in the browser and it looks great, of course :)

My only (minor) comments this far are:

1. I'd put the names in the metadata in the "normal" first-name last-name order: Jerome K. Jerome and A. Frederics, and put the complete names in the "reversed" order in the file-as attribute: Jerome, Jerome Klapka and Frederics, A.

2. I wouldn't use an embedded font for the normal text, the font to use should be a user's choice, even if some ePUB readers don't allow that. I think special fonts for titles or decorative texts are fine, but not for the main text.

3. The cover illustration has some ugly jpeg artifacts and it's blurry, can't you find a better version? And in general, prefer PNG over GIF, it's better (supports more features and can have a better compression).

zelda_pinwheel
06-05-2009, 03:12 PM
Well, I just opened it in the browser and it looks great, of course :)

My only (minor) comments this far are:

1. I'd put the names in the metadata in the "normal" first-name last-name order: Jerome K. Jerome and A. Frederics, and put the complete names in the "reversed" order in the file-as attribute: Jerome, Jerome Klapka and Frederics, A.
crotte !!! i actually fixed that already on a different version, but forget to fix the content.opf of this one. :( i'll take care of that and reupload.

2. I wouldn't use an embedded font for the normal text, the font to use should be a user's choice, even if some ePUB readers don't allow that. I think special fonts for titles or decorative texts are fine, but not for the main text.
actually, i agree with you ; however, i wanted to know how to do it. there are a lot of stylistic effects i wouldn't use on a "typical" book because they're better left to the user's choice or because they limit compatibility (like the wrapped images which will cause problems on smaller screens), but as i said, this was really more of an experiment to try out as many special features as possible.

3. The cover illustration has some ugly jpeg artifacts and it's blurry, can't you find a better version? And in general, prefer PNG over GIF, it's better (supports more features and can have a better compression).
sadly, these are the only images i have. :( i didn't scan them myself, and i don't have access to the original book, so i'm happy to have them at all ! obviously, for future illustrated books, i hope to have better quality ones. but i chose this book because i had been wanting an illustrated epub version of it for a long time anyway, so i just made do with what i had available. you are right though that i'd rather have png images !

thanks for your comments !

zelda_pinwheel
06-05-2009, 03:19 PM
1. I'd put the names in the metadata in the "normal" first-name last-name order: Jerome K. Jerome and A. Frederics, and put the complete names in the "reversed" order in the file-as attribute: Jerome, Jerome Klapka and Frederics, A.
fixed !!!

Valloric
06-05-2009, 03:37 PM
This is one of the most advanced epub files I have ever seen. Truly great work Zelda. Congratulations.

zelda_pinwheel
06-05-2009, 03:38 PM
This is one of the most advanced epub files I have ever seen. Truly great work Zelda. Congratulations.

thank you valloric ! just think what i (and everyone else) will be able to do, once we finally have an epub editor worthy of the name. ;)

Valloric
06-05-2009, 03:45 PM
thank you valloric ! just think what i (and everyone else) will be able to do, once we finally have an epub editor worthy of the name. ;)

I'm working on it. ;)

dreams
06-05-2009, 03:49 PM
Thank you, Zelda. I had this put in a file for summer evening reading on the patio as it looked to be a fun read. Having your epub version with pics will be an added bonus. I'll have to check it out once I hook up the 505 for reload time:) Three Men in a Boat (to say nothing of the Dog) just sounded too good to pass up.

zelda_pinwheel
06-05-2009, 03:50 PM
I'm working on it. ;)
and we're waiting with bated breath. ;)

Thank you, Zelda. I had this put in a file for summer evening reading on the patio as it looked to be a fun read. Having your epub version with pics will be an added bonus. I'll have to check it out once I hook up the 505 for reload time:) Three Men in a Boat (to say nothing of the Dog) just sounded too good to pass up.
it is definitely too good to pass up ! it's hilarious. enjoy the story !

Jellby
06-06-2009, 05:53 AM
actually, i agree with you ; however, i wanted to know how to do it. there are a lot of stylistic effects i wouldn't use on a "typical" book because they're better left to the user's choice or because they limit compatibility (like the wrapped images which will cause problems on smaller screens), but as i said, this was really more of an experiment to try out as many special features as possible.

You could have tried the embedded fonts for the titles and the chapter "summaries" only (which would probably benefit from a decorative calligraphic font). Just an idea :)

sadly, these are the only images i have. :( i didn't scan them myself, and i don't have access to the original book, so i'm happy to have them at all !

And there's where the Internet Archive comes useful ;) These two versions could serve as a source for illustrations and proofreading:

http://www.archive.org/details/threemeninboatto00jeroiala
http://www.archive.org/details/threemeninboatto00jerorich

(For the illustrations, go to "All Files: HTTP", and select the "*orig_jp2.tar" file, it contains the scans of all pages from which the images can be extracted and cleaned up)

By the way, you can reduce the filesize (from 2.0 MB to 1.7 MB) by removing the Thumbs.db file from the images directory.

zelda_pinwheel
06-06-2009, 08:42 PM
You could have tried the embedded fonts for the titles and the chapter "summaries" only (which would probably benefit from a decorative calligraphic font). Just an idea :)
hm, that is a good idea. i think i might try that on the next one. ;)


And there's where the Internet Archive comes useful ;) These two versions could serve as a source for illustrations and proofreading:

http://www.archive.org/details/threemeninboatto00jeroiala
http://www.archive.org/details/threemeninboatto00jerorich

(For the illustrations, go to "All Files: HTTP", and select the "*orig_jp2.tar" file, it contains the scans of all pages from which the images can be extracted and cleaned up)
wow, thanks ! (sheesh, just when i thought i was done working on this book... :rolleyes:) i won't have time to work on that right away but i would like to make this book as good as possible so i will definitely try to fix the images as soon as i can. and, if i get better quality ones i could add the dimensions in ems as well so the images can be enlarged with the text. ;)

By the way, you can reduce the filesize (from 2.0 MB to 1.7 MB) by removing the Thumbs.db file from the images directory.
thanks ! i did that. now up to version 3. ;)

khalleron
06-06-2009, 10:25 PM
Thank you so much, Zelda! This is one of my favoritest books in the whole world! I've bought so many copies, given away so many copies - this was the first book I did for esspc - not nearly so fine as yours, I'm really looking forward to reading it again, with pictures and everything!

[favoritest is a word, isn't it?]

khalleron
06-06-2009, 11:28 PM
OK, I've downloaded it and it is beautiful! Thank you so much!

Just one minor quibble (and there's always one, isn't there?) - on my PRS-505, the author shows as A. Frederics. I've tried changing it in Calibre and Mobipocket Creator, but both of them show the metadata with Jerome K. Jerome as the author. I don't know enough about either ePub or XHTML to know what is wrong or how to fix it, or I wouldn't bother you with it. It's a minor annoyance that I can certainly live with.

Once again, it's beautiful - who says ebooks are ugly?

dreams
06-07-2009, 05:25 AM
Zelda, this is beautiful. I deleted my other one from manybooks. I love the little illustrations and the old manuscript first letter in the chapter. Those old guys are hilarious!

Just checked my listing of the author on the 505. It shows Jerome K. Jerome, but I load through the Sony Library and left it as epub.

Thank you again.:)

khalleron
06-07-2009, 09:51 AM
Thank you, dreams, for checking that. I did figure out how to go into the .opf and change the metadata. I load through Calibre - looks like it's a problem with Calibre then.

Anyway, it's fixed to my liking, so no need for zelda to do anything.

So glad to have such a lovely version of one of my favorite books. Thanks again, zelda!

zelda_pinwheel
06-07-2009, 09:55 AM
Thank you so much, Zelda! This is one of my favoritest books in the whole world! I've bought so many copies, given away so many copies - this was the first book I did for esspc - not nearly so fine as yours, I'm really looking forward to reading it again, with pictures and everything!

[favoritest is a word, isn't it?]
i'm thrilled you like it. :) it's one of my favoritest books too. ;) i've read it many times but it still makes me laugh uncontrollably ; i had to give up on reading it on the métro, i was getting too embarassed about people staring at me. :snicker:

OK, I've downloaded it and it is beautiful! Thank you so much!

Just one minor quibble (and there's always one, isn't there?) - on my PRS-505, the author shows as A. Frederics. I've tried changing it in Calibre and Mobipocket Creator, but both of them show the metadata with Jerome K. Jerome as the author. I don't know enough about either ePub or XHTML to know what is wrong or how to fix it, or I wouldn't bother you with it. It's a minor annoyance that I can certainly live with.

Once again, it's beautiful - who says ebooks are ugly?
hm, the author name showing as A. Frederics is strange. that is the name of the illustrator, so he is in the meta-data, but should not appear as the author... i am not sure why that would happen, so if anyone knows, please explain !

Thank you, dreams, for checking that. I did figure out how to go into the .opf and change the metadata. I load through Calibre - looks like it's a problem with Calibre then.

Anyway, it's fixed to my liking, so no need for zelda to do anything.

So glad to have such a lovely version of one of my favorite books. Thanks again, zelda!
you are very welcome ! what did you change in the metadata in the .opf ? i ask for my own information, since that is definitely a "bug" which should be fixed...

khalleron
06-07-2009, 09:58 AM
I deleted the line that showed A. Frederics as the creator. Now the Sony shows JKJ as author.

Since dream doesn't have the problem loading from the Sony library, I'm going to have to conclude that it's a problem with the way Calibre loads metadata.

zelda_pinwheel
06-07-2009, 10:01 AM
I deleted the line that showed A. Frederics as the creator. Now the Sony shows JKJ as author.

Since dream doesn't have the problem loading from the Sony library, I'm going to have to conclude that it's a problem with the way Calibre loads metadata.

ha, okay. that would certainly fix it. ;) still an odd bug. are you using an old version of calibre ? if no, you should report that to kovid. since Frederics is defined as the "illustrator" and not the "author" in the meta-data, his name shouldn't appear instead of Jerome.

Ankh
06-08-2009, 12:16 AM
Thanks a lot, Zelda. Outstanding work.

The latest version is missing
<hr class="spacing" />
above its "h3" chapter tag, file boat005_ch02.xhtml

zelda_pinwheel
06-08-2009, 06:47 AM
Thanks a lot, Zelda. Outstanding work.

The latest version is missing

above its "h3" chapter tag, file boat005_ch02.xhtml

oops ! you're right about that. :o fixed it now, uploading version... um... eleventy ;). thanks for pointing it out ! :)

JSWolf
06-29-2009, 02:31 PM
Now, where is the ePUB firmware for the Cybook? :D
In the 505. :rofl:

Catire
07-01-2009, 12:13 AM
Thanks for the great book zelda, it looks really good :)

dpierron
07-02-2009, 06:20 AM
Merci Zelda !

I didn't read it yet, but I opened it and had a deep look : it's gorgeous, easily the best looking ePub book I have ever seen...

Now it's up to Jerome K. Jerome ; will the text actually live up to my expectations ? ;)

Encore merci Zelda, à bientôt,
David.

zelda_pinwheel
07-02-2009, 06:26 AM
Merci Zelda !

I didn't read it yet, but I opened it and had a deep look : it's gorgeous, easily the best looking ePub book I have ever seen...

Now it's up to Jerome K. Jerome ; will the text actually live up to my expectations ? ;)

Encore merci Zelda, à bientôt,
David.

waouh, merci beaucoup pour les compliments !! :blush: as for jerome... i have the greatest confidence that he will not disappoint you. ;) one advice, don't read it in public if you are shy about people staring at you as you giggle like a loon all by yourself. :D enjoy it ! tu m'en diras des nouvelles.

à bientôt !

Valloric
07-04-2009, 01:09 PM
Zelda, looking at your "main.css" file, you seem to have a bug :).

A font file ("DejaVuSerif-BoldItalic.ttf") is referenced that doesn't exist in the "fonts" folder, and one font file that is in the "fonts" folder ("Fontin-SmallCaps.ttf") isn't referenced anywhere in the CSS.

cbell
07-18-2009, 02:09 AM
This is beautiful! Thank you very much, zelda_pinwheel!

dpierron
07-18-2009, 04:01 AM
This is beautiful! Thank you very much, zelda_pinwheel!

This is beautiful! I had to stop reading and take a couple of photos to show you how nice it looks :)

No photos, then ?

:rolleyes:

cbell
07-18-2009, 04:20 AM
haha you caught me between edits!

I posted them here and the copyright notice appeared so I removed them.

Edit: Got the OK to post photos here, ignore the copyright notice :)

alecE
08-01-2009, 03:26 PM
This has long been a favourite book of mine. I have a pbook version which I have always refused to discard 'cos it was beautiful. So is this epub, I may finally allow my pbook to find a good home elsewhere. Thank you Zelda.:D

Minor typo: in the version I downloaded 18/7/09, section Author's Advertisement, sentence "I have come to the conclusion that, be the explanation what it may..." the word 'may' is shown as 'mav'

Fantastic example of epub art :thanks:

Esseb
08-29-2009, 03:56 PM
This is really great, Zelda. It hasn't been that long since I last re-read the book, but this illustrated edition deserves to be next on my reading list, and the markup and css itself is almost as beautiful as the book.

A couple of problems though.

You used the wrong alt text for the initial letter in chapter 1 (the initial letters in the other chapters seemed fine though):
<div class="lettrine"><img src="images/t.gif" alt="W" /></div>

You should limit alt text for cases when it's actually required. The alt attribute is meant to be used when a visually impaired reader would not be able to follow the text without knowing what an image is of. A blind person really isn't going to care that some illustration he can't see is of a "man with cane". If an image actually contains text that a blind person can't read, such as header1.gif or the initial chapter letter images, then you should use alt text, but in many cases, alt="" is really the best thing to do.

Take the first illustration in chapter 1, for example. This is what the book would sound like to a blind person:

The diagnosis seems in every case to correspond exactly with all the sensations that I have ever felt.

Reading up on ailments. I remember going to the British Museum one day [...]

See "Context is Everything" at http://webaim.org/techniques/alttext/, specifically example 2.

zelda_pinwheel
08-29-2009, 04:03 PM
This has long been a favourite book of mine. I have a pbook version which I have always refused to discard 'cos it was beautiful. So is this epub, I may finally allow my pbook to find a good home elsewhere. Thank you Zelda.:D

Minor typo: in the version I downloaded 18/7/09, section Author's Advertisement, sentence "I have come to the conclusion that, be the explanation what it may..." the word 'may' is shown as 'mav'

Fantastic example of epub art :thanks:
thank you so much for the kind words alec, and also for finding that typo and reporting it !! i will fix that. i've not proof-read this text, so please do report any and all mistakes, i appreciate it.

This is really great, Zelda. It hasn't been that long since I last re-read the book, but this illustrated edition deserves to be next on my reading list, and the markup and css itself is almost as beautiful as the book.

A couple of problems though.

You used the wrong alt text for the initial letter in chapter 1 (the initial letters in the other chapters seemed fine though):
<div class="lettrine"><img src="images/t.gif" alt="W" /></div>

You should limit alt text for cases when it's actually required. The alt attribute is meant to be used when a visually impaired reader would not be able to follow the text without knowing what an image is of. A blind person really isn't going to care that some illustration he can't see is of a "man with cane". If an image actually contains text that a blind person can't read, such as header1.gif or the initial chapter letter images, then you should use alt text, but in many cases, alt="" is really the best thing to do.

Take the first illustration in chapter 1, for example. This is what the book would sound like to a blind person:



See "Context is Everything" at http://webaim.org/techniques/alttext/, specifically example 2.
thank you very much esseb ! code almost as beautiful as the book, that is high praise indeed. :)

thank you for pointing out those problems ; the wrong alt text is obviously a left-over i didn't fix (originally it was the wrong image as well :smack:).

and i will take a look a the site you link, definitely. i am a webdesigner and so i've gotten into the habit of always including an alt description but you make a very good case for situations where that is not necessary. thank you !

i'll post an updated version soon (i hope. drowning in work lately, but this will be on my list of priorities).

thank you again everybody ! with all your help one day this book will be perfect. ;)

zelda_pinwheel
08-29-2009, 04:08 PM
esseb, i've just noticed this is your first post here ! i'm quite honoured you've chosen to use it for my book. ;) and i'd therefore like to add to my previous comment a big "welcome !" to mobileread. you'll find quite a few gorgeous epub books here, take a look specifically at any book made by jellby.

and please join in the discussions about epub in the epub forum. you might also be interested in sigil, a dedicated epub editor developped by a very talented mr member valloric ; it has its own dedicated forum.

welcome !

Esseb
08-29-2009, 04:23 PM
Thank you. I've been downloading books from Mobileread for a while, but have mainly been sticking to the BBEB format until now. I'll make sure to check out Jellby's books also.

And I'm already looking at this book in Sigil, actually. Great editor. I might even make an epub version of a book myself if I can think of something appropriate, but you've already made the one illustrated book I was most interested in.

zelda_pinwheel
08-29-2009, 04:34 PM
Thank you. I've been downloading books from Mobileread for a while now, but have mainly been sticking to the BBEB format until now. I'll make sure to check out Jellby's books also.
you're in for a real treat. jellby is the epub king. :)

And I'm already looking at this book in Sigil, actually. Great editor. I might even make an epub version of a book myself if I can think of something appropriate, but you've already made the one illustrated book I was most interested in.

yes, i agree, sigil is brilliant ! and will keep getting better. the next version will be out really soon, as soon as valloric returns from holidays. you definitely should make an epub book of your own ! it's a lot of fun, especially now that we have sigil to do the content.opf for us. :D and if you have any questions or need help you can post in the epub forum and you're sure to get an answer.

sorry to get to three men before you. ;) it's one of my favourite books, particularly the illustrated version (i love illustrated books too !), but... you could always make your own version, if you like ! and there are lots of other illustrated books out there, if you track them down. you might want to check the internet archive (http://www.archive.org/), for instance.

zelda_pinwheel
08-30-2009, 01:14 PM
i've now corrected the errors indicated by alecE and Esseb, removed superfluous alt text, and removed a font-file which was never used in the text (thank you, Valloric, alecE and Esseb !). version 5 uploaded.

GeoffC
10-15-2009, 09:57 AM
Hi Zee, you don't say -
but did you use Sigil for this excellent book ?
I'm particularly interested in the way you've got text to flow around the pictures and I haven't found that easy using the Sigil wysiwyg editor (unless that's an issue that just requires manual manipulation of the code)....I noticed mention of your method in another thread ....

[all these great books and nothing for me to read them on (danged if I'm going to take my PC to bed with me ....) :chuckles:]

zelda_pinwheel
10-15-2009, 03:08 PM
Hi Zee, you don't say -
but did you use Sigil for this excellent book ?
I'm particularly interested in the way you've got text to flow around the pictures and I haven't found that easy using the Sigil wysiwyg editor (unless that's an issue that just requires manual manipulation of the code)....I noticed mention of your method in another thread ....
no, i made this book before sigil was released. i wanted to learn to make epub by hand so i did all the code myself. it was my learning book.

the non-rectangular image wrap is an adaptation of a method i found in the adobe sample book alice in wonderland ; jellby and i both did a lot of experimenting with it and jellby came up with a better and simpler method than the one adobe used, which i used here. the results are in the epub code snippets thread in the epub forum.

you can get the same effect using sigil but it won't be automatic (no wysiwyg) ; you'll have to write the code yourself. it would be impossible to have a wysiwyg action for something like that because a computer can't see what is in an image, it just knows there's an image file there, and image files are all necessarily rectangular (to a computer).

kjk
10-16-2009, 10:04 PM
Incredible looking book-great job, zelda! It looks great in Sigil and Calibre's viewer-love how the text wraps around images too, so professional looking.

Cbell showed it on his reader, here is the same chapter on an iPhone thru Stanza (Stanza seems to drop quite a bit of ePub goodness, but did manage some of the images.)

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/8341/3menf.th.jpg (http://img98.imageshack.us/i/3menf.jpg/)

GeoffC
10-17-2009, 03:49 AM
looks good, too, in mobi (thanks Calibre)

neilmarr
10-17-2009, 03:51 AM
Sorry for being so slow to find this. I've just re-read this old favourite on a 505 but downloaded it from another source (the excellent Project Guthenberg). I decided it was a library keeper, but I'll now replace my version with your vastly superior work and look forward to reading it again soon. Many thanks, Zelda.

PS: Just downloaded your version of Three Men in a Boat -- a painless operation with Calibre -- and it opens beautifully on my 505. Lovely production, Zelda. It returns to the book the Victorian elegance the Guthenberg version can't offer. Thanks again. Fine job. Neil

zelda_pinwheel
10-17-2009, 11:07 AM
Incredible looking book-great job, zelda! It looks great in Sigil and Calibre's viewer-love how the text wraps around images too, so professional looking.

Cbell showed it on his reader, here is the same chapter on an iPhone thru Stanza (Stanza seems to drop quite a bit of ePub goodness, but did manage some of the images.)
thank you so much for the photo ! i've been wondering how it would look in stanza. i was a bit worried that the larger images and advanced formatting would be a problem, but it looks like it's manageable nonetheless, good to know !

looks good, too, in mobi (thanks Calibre)
aïe. knowing what i know about mobi format (and having previously tried to make a mobipocket version of this book, with deplorable results), i don't even want to know how that turned out. :o i guess whatever happens with the images, you'll still have the text, though.

Sorry for being so slow to find this. I've just re-read this old favourite on a 505 but downloaded it from another source (the excellent Project Guthenberg). I decided it was a library keeper, but I'll now replace my version with your vastly superior work and look forward to reading it again soon. Many thanks, Zelda.

PS: Just downloaded your version of Three Men in a Boat -- a painless operation with Calibre -- and it opens beautifully on my 505. Lovely production, Zelda. It returns to the book the Victorian elegance the Guthenberg version can't offer. Thanks again. Fine job. Neil
i'm very glad you like it ! it's one of my favourites too, and i love the illustrations. enjoy. :)

GeoffC
10-18-2009, 06:44 AM
aïe. knowing what i know about mobi format (and having previously tried to make a mobipocket version of this book, with deplorable results), i don't even want to know how that turned out. :o i guess whatever happens with the images, you'll still have the text, though.



Okay, I'l be honest - I've not viewed it through my Gen3, yet - but it looks good on Calibre viewer and also Mobireader - text and images too .....

Great job .... :2thumbsup

thanhFF
10-19-2009, 08:55 PM
Thanks.
I had my PRS600 yesterday. I will try this book with this

zelda_pinwheel
10-21-2009, 04:49 PM
i hope you enjoy it, thanhff. :)

kennyc
10-25-2009, 04:11 PM
Thanks for this Zelda! Looking forward to reading it as well as learning from the epub work!

zelda_pinwheel
10-25-2009, 04:14 PM
it's a brilliant story, kenny. enjoy it ! and if you're interested in learning about epub i recommend also jellby's epubs as stellar examples of How It's Done.

kennyc
10-25-2009, 04:47 PM
it's a brilliant story, kenny. enjoy it ! and if you're interested in learning about epub i recommend also jellby's epubs as stellar examples of How It's Done.


Thanks, I'll check those out as well. :)

Not sure how serious I'm going to get but someone sure as heck needs to get The Sound and the Fury into Epub and I'm thinking of giving it a shot.

zelda_pinwheel
10-25-2009, 04:49 PM
Thanks, I'll check those out as well. :)

Not sure how serious I'm going to get but someone sure as heck needs to get The Sound and the Fury into Epub and I'm thinking of giving it a shot.

well, you've got my heartfelt encouragement in that endeavour. it's not actually that hard, you'll see. just shout if you get stuck. you know about sigil, right ?

PennyPie
10-25-2009, 04:54 PM
Thanks for the beautiful book! I don't have a CLUE as how it's done, but I certainly shall enjoy reading this...so much more for the eye than the plain work we usually get. The story may be the 'gift', but the 'wrapping' makes it ever so much more a treat! :book2:

zelda_pinwheel
10-25-2009, 04:55 PM
Thanks for the beautiful book! I don't have a CLUE as how it's done, but I certainly shall enjoy reading this...so much more for the eye than the plain work we usually get. The story may be the 'gift', but the 'wrapping' makes it ever so much more a treat! :book2:

thank you for the kind words ! i feel the same way. :) enjoy it !

kennyc
10-25-2009, 05:01 PM
well, you've got my heartfelt encouragement in that endeavour. it's not actually that hard, you'll see. just shout if you get stuck. you know about sigil, right ?

Yep, just downloaded it and I've got the Internet Archive pdf and epub and text versions of the book the epub/text versions are in pretty bad shape though - wasn't a very good OCR I don't think.

zelda_pinwheel
10-25-2009, 05:08 PM
that sounds like everything you could need to get started. good luck !

kennyc
10-25-2009, 05:41 PM
ha, okay. that would certainly fix it. ;) still an odd bug. are you using an old version of calibre ? if no, you should report that to kovid. since Frederics is defined as the "illustrator" and not the "author" in the meta-data, his name shouldn't appear instead of Jerome.

I just noticed this as well. Everything looks fine in Calibre, on my Aztak and even on the kindle2 in mobi format (well sort of).....but the Sony 505 apparently is scanning the text and assigning the author as A. Fredriks.

when I added a "by" before Jerome and removed the "by" before A. Fredricks it then shows the correct author on the Sony 505 listing.....very weird that it would do this instead of using the meta info which is correct.

cian
11-10-2009, 12:16 PM
Hi Zelda,
this is a beautiful book. Out of curiosity where did you find the lovely letters that you use to start each chapter? I'm coding a book of my own for similar reasons, and those letters would be perfect for it.

zelda_pinwheel
11-10-2009, 10:14 PM
Hi Zelda,
this is a beautiful book. Out of curiosity where did you find the lovely letters that you use to start each chapter? I'm coding a book of my own for similar reasons, and those letters would be perfect for it.

hi cian, i'm so glad you like the book. :) all the illustrations are from the 1909 british edition, including the illuminated capitals. many of them illustrate scenes from the chapter.

if you want to create a similar effect, you can find fonts with decorative capitals on dafont.com ; take a look in the "initials (http://www.dafont.com/theme.php?cat=116)" category for instance. you can either make an image of the letter you need, or embed the font directly. be sure to check the font licence ; many of the fonts are free and can be distributed, but not all of them.

orwell2k
11-11-2009, 09:49 AM
Apart from being a cracking good book, your efforts to create this ePub version are outstanding! Maybe you will turn your ePub arts to creating a version of Three men On The Brummel? :eek:

Can you give a quick summary of what tools you use to create your ePubs?

I am a big FB2 fan, and to be honest this ePub book is the first one that looks decent on my BeBook (Hanlin V3). A lot of the problem is the reader implementation itself, but if publishers put half your effort into creating their ePubs, then perhaps most of the currently available ePub ebooks out there wouldn't look like crap on the reader. Perhaps it's what you get used to, but for displaying on the Hanlin FB2 (CoolReader) is far superior to ePub.

But as I said, this ePub eBook is just outstanding - well done, great effort and many thanks!! :thumbsup:

zelda_pinwheel
11-11-2009, 06:39 PM
Apart from being a cracking good book, your efforts to create this ePub version are outstanding! Maybe you will turn your ePub arts to creating a version of Three men On The Brummel? :eek:
the thought had crossed my mind, yes. ;) (it's a question of finding the time, really.)

Can you give a quick summary of what tools you use to create your ePubs?
i wanted to learn about the format, so i did it all by hand. i used dreamweaver for the html and css code, since that is what i use for my work (webdesigner) already, and notepad as well if memory serves. i could have done *all* the work in notepad ; i wrote the code myself rather than using a conversion app, and you don't need any special app to write code. and to be honest i don't recomment dreamweaver ; it doesn't handle long(ish) text flows very well, so sometimes it was really slow and sometimes it crashed, and i had a few very strange problems with it. if i were doing it now, i would use sigil and a text editor when necessary (search and replace, for instance).

I am a big FB2 fan, and to be honest this ePub book is the first one that looks decent on my BeBook (Hanlin V3). A lot of the problem is the reader implementation itself, but if publishers put half your effort into creating their ePubs, then perhaps most of the currently available ePub ebooks out there wouldn't look like crap on the reader. Perhaps it's what you get used to, but for displaying on the Hanlin FB2 (CoolReader) is far superior to ePub.
i agree that there is still a way to go in terms of reader implementation and also well-crafted ebooks. but i am optimistic that both will improve in the near future ; the reader apps are improving already and the epub support is starting to get really good (the Opus for instance has excellent epub support), and publishers are more and more starting to take ebooks seriously. let's hope we don't have to wait too long !

But as I said, this ePub eBook is just outstanding - well done, great effort and many thanks!! :thumbsup:
thank you ! i am so glad you like it. enjoy the book !

Bilbo1967
11-11-2009, 06:55 PM
Well, gosh - that's just amazing, thankyou so much ZP.

JKJ was a writer from just down the road from where I live and I have read this a few times before and have it on my 505 from somewhere else. That version will now be removed and replaced with this (far, far superior) version.

:thanks:

cian
11-13-2009, 07:12 AM
if you want to create a similar effect, you can find fonts with decorative capitals on dafont.com ; take a look in the "initials (http://www.dafont.com/theme.php?cat=116)" category for instance. you can either make an image of the letter you need, or embed the font directly. be sure to check the font licence ; many of the fonts are free and can be distributed, but not all of them.

Wow. That's perfect. Thank you very much.

cian
11-13-2009, 07:16 AM
A really good text editor for this kind of thing is notepad++. It has modes for CSS/HTML/XML. Also there are good tools for HTML/CSS manipulation for firefox. Its best to set up a new profile (or use a portable edition), as they slow down normal browsing.

zelda_pinwheel
11-13-2009, 03:56 PM
Well, gosh - that's just amazing, thankyou so much ZP.

JKJ was a writer from just down the road from where I live and I have read this a few times before and have it on my 505 from somewhere else. That version will now be removed and replaced with this (far, far superior) version.

:thanks:

i'm very happy you like it, bilbo. he was a brilliant writer.

Wow. That's perfect. Thank you very much.
glad to help. :)

A really good text editor for this kind of thing is notepad++. It has modes for CSS/HTML/XML. Also there are good tools for HTML/CSS manipulation for firefox. Its best to set up a new profile (or use a portable edition), as they slow down normal browsing.

thanks for the tip ! i will look into notepad++. i do most of the code writing in sigil, but that could be very handy nonetheless.

GeoffC
11-15-2009, 08:37 AM
i'm very happy you like it, bilbo. he was a brilliant writer.


glad to help. :)



thanks for the tip ! i will look into notepad++. i do most of the code writing in sigil, but that could be very handy nonetheless.


An editor I would recommend is SciTE ... handles css/xhtml & the toc and contents no problem at all .....

kjk
12-10-2009, 11:33 AM
Just checked out how this looks in the new Txtr iPhone reader app-
It really maintains a lot more of the ePub formatting than Stanza, but the interface needs some work :p Looks gorgeous though!

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/7103/3men.jpg

zelda_pinwheel
12-16-2009, 12:15 PM
Just checked out how this looks in the new Txtr iPhone reader app-
It really maintains a lot more of the ePub formatting than Stanza, but the interface needs some work :p Looks gorgeous though!

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/7103/3men.jpg

thank you very much for that screenshot ! i don't have an iphone so i can't test anything there but it's great to get an idea of how the book is displayed. i'm actually quite impressed, the txtr app looks like it retains quite a lot of the formatting. that is great to know.

cklammer
12-17-2009, 04:05 AM
(Please see the attachment screenshot)
(Note: the copyright warning is attached by the Mobileread forum software.)

zelda_pinwheel
12-23-2009, 09:46 PM
(Please see the attachment screenshot)
(Note: the copyright warning is attached by the Mobileread forum software.)

thank you cklammer. :) it's great to see that the formatting is holding up on so many different reading apps. that means we've got a lot of really excellent options out there for reading our books however we prefer, so props to the developpers. :)

tompe
12-24-2009, 05:48 PM
I am testing the ePub firmware on my Gen3 and looked at this book. There are some problems:

The top margin is too small. The text is cut by the black "border" or if not cut it is so near that it looks to be cut and also the shadow when reading can be one line thick so you need a top margin.

I cannot disable justification.

The body font has high x-height so I think you need more leading. Also with a reader with no hyphenation and justified text the lines are to close to each other.

bremler
01-08-2010, 09:18 AM
Hi Zelda, I just wanted to add to the praise for your efforts. This book looks absolutely amazing on my sony prs505, and since I am new to creating epub, and learning html/css, I am inspired by you to create some nice looking ones too. What I love is that I can learn how to do things by viewing your source code, and the text wrapping around the illustrations is breathtaking, something that really adds to the reading experience. Congratulations !

zelda_pinwheel
01-08-2010, 10:05 AM
I am testing the ePub firmware on my Gen3 and looked at this book. There are some problems:

The top margin is too small. The text is cut by the black "border" or if not cut it is so near that it looks to be cut and also the shadow when reading can be one line thick so you need a top margin.

I cannot disable justification.

The body font has high x-height so I think you need more leading. Also with a reader with no hyphenation and justified text the lines are to close to each other.
thanks for the feedback tompe. i think a lot of those details are out of my hands (dependent on the epub renderer) but i'll definitely take a look.

Hi Zelda, I just wanted to add to the praise for your efforts. This book looks absolutely amazing on my sony prs505, and since I am new to creating epub, and learning html/css, I am inspired by you to create some nice looking ones too. What I love is that I can learn how to do things by viewing your source code, and the text wrapping around the illustrations is breathtaking, something that really adds to the reading experience. Congratulations !
i'm very glad you like it, bremler, and i'm really happy to hear that you're going to learn to make good-looking epub books. it can really be fun to try to make the nicest code possible. :) you can learn a lot in our epub forum and don't hesitate to ask questions. i had a lot of fun playing with the code and making this book. i was also really excited about the wrapped illustrations ; jellby did a lot of work on that code and the end solution wouldn't have been nearly as elegant without him. it's definitely one of my favourite details. :)

ShellShock
02-16-2010, 02:31 PM
I like your use of Fontin--I have just got turned on to this font, and have made it my default. Nice to see I you are already using it.

zelda_pinwheel
04-07-2010, 02:43 PM
thanks to Jellby, corrected many many (...many...) typos and formatting errors. many thanks and karma to him for taking the trouble to make notes of all those little details. version 6 uploaded.

Hamlet53
04-11-2010, 02:42 PM
Well I originally downloaded this because it was recommend by many as the example [here at Mobilread] of what could be done with the EPUB format. I wanted to dissect (unzip) it for tips and tricks. It did provide a lot of that. Then between other reading I was looking for a light and quick read and actually treated it as just a book.. Surprisingly good. As the author stated no ambitions to be great literature, but really funny.

zelda_pinwheel
04-15-2010, 07:56 AM
Well I originally downloaded this because it was recommend by many as the example [here at Mobilread] of what could be done with the EPUB format. I wanted to dissect (unzip) it for tips and tricks. It did provide a lot of that. Then between other reading I was looking for a light and quick read and actually treated it as just a book.. Surprisingly good. As the author stated no ambitions to be great literature, but really funny.

i'm glad you liked the book, hamlet. it's one of my favourites. i had to stop reading it in public because i can't help laughing and people stare. :rolleyes:

GeoffC
04-15-2010, 08:23 AM
i'm glad you liked the book, hamlet. it's one of my favourites. i had to stop reading it in public because i can't help laughing and people stare. :rolleyes:


especially if you're in London, instead of Paris .... :D:rofl:

jonsbjons
04-15-2010, 08:52 AM
It's amazing! May be you have also the "Three men on bicycles"?

GeoffC
04-15-2010, 09:06 AM
It's amazing! May be you have also the "Three men on bicycles"?


you mean Three Men on the Bummel

?

jonsbjons
04-16-2010, 05:20 AM
you mean Three Men on the Bummel

?

Most likely, yes.

kjk
05-01-2010, 03:31 PM
Not sure if anyone showed you yet Zelda, but here is your book on the iPad:

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7535/3men.png (http://img87.imageshack.us/i/3men.png/)

zelda_pinwheel
05-02-2010, 09:12 AM
It's amazing! May be you have also the "Three men on bicycles"?
i'm glad you enjoyed it jonsbjons ! i don't have "Three men on bicycles" but if you find a source for the text could you post a link here ? thanks !

Not sure if anyone showed you yet Zelda, but here is your book on the iPad:
thank you very much kjk for that image ! i've not yet been able to play with an ipad (although i did get to see one in person for about 30 seconds...) so i've not yet seen how iBooks works. i'm glad to see it seems to do a good job with the css rendering !

orwell2k
05-06-2010, 06:10 AM
i'm glad you enjoyed it jonsbjons ! i don't have "Three men on bicycles" but if you find a source for the text could you post a link here ? thanks !

Here is a link to the Gutenberg page for 'Three Men On The Bummel':

http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/2183

It's not copyright in the US, but as the page suggests, check your local copyright laws for this title... :eek:

GeoffC
05-06-2010, 06:33 AM
I am impressed with the iPad's rendering of this wonderful book ... shame the device is a little overly large for 'light reading'.

GeoffC
05-06-2010, 06:33 AM
Here is a link to the Gutenberg page for 'Three Men On The Bummel':

http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/2183

It's not copyright in the US, but as the page suggests, check your local copyright laws for this title... :eek:


So we can expect you to provide the ePub version for us ? :book2:

orwell2k
05-06-2010, 07:16 AM
So we can expect you to provide the ePub version for us ? :book2:

Actually I'm making an FB2 version (my preferred format), but I can try my hand at ePub. Somebody above asked for where the text was, so I did a quick look and provided a link. Be warned any version I create will not be anywhere near as beautiful as the illustrated 'Three Men In A Boat' provided by this thread!

GeoffC
05-06-2010, 07:55 AM
Actually I'm making an FB2 version (my preferred format), but I can try my hand at ePub. Somebody above asked for where the text was, so I did a quick look and provided a link. Be warned any version I create will not be anywhere near as beautiful as the illustrated 'Three Men In A Boat' provided by this thread!


that one set a standard few of us amateurs could emulate without a few ZCDs, chocolate, doughnuts and a long massage...[in no partiicular order of merit].

jgaiser
05-06-2010, 02:35 PM
Just loaded this onto my newly acquired Nook.

Very nice book. Amazing what you can do with a bit of work.

Thanks Zelda...

Poppa1956
05-12-2010, 10:25 AM
I haven't read the book nor checked for errors. (I see you've gotten along without my "help")
This is beautifully formatted. I love the fonts, dropcaps, and the way text flows around the illustrations. Well done, brilliant!
This is the sort of thing I am looking for in eBooks.

troymc
05-21-2010, 02:26 PM
This ebook truly is a work of art.

Has anyone seen an epub of Alice in Wonderland with the Tenniel illustrations that is this high quality?

If not, I may try to create one.


Troy

Jellby
05-22-2010, 04:49 AM
Has anyone seen an epub of Alice in Wonderland with the Tenniel illustrations that is this high quality?

There's this (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69867) and this (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69868)

I don't know about the quality, though. I can tell you they don't have the text wrapped around pictures because I didn't find a really portable solution (something that would work in large and small screens, portrait and landscape...).

zelda_pinwheel
05-22-2010, 08:36 AM
Actually I'm making an FB2 version (my preferred format), but I can try my hand at ePub. Somebody above asked for where the text was, so I did a quick look and provided a link. Be warned any version I create will not be anywhere near as beautiful as the illustrated 'Three Men In A Boat' provided by this thread!
seems like an excellent reason to try your hand at epub to me. :) you should be able to make an excellent book with sigil, and if you need any help at all please don't hesitate to ask, we've got some real experts around here !

Just loaded this onto my newly acquired Nook.

Very nice book. Amazing what you can do with a bit of work.

Thanks Zelda...
i'm very glad you like it, jgaiser ! it's one of my favourite books.

I haven't read the book nor checked for errors. (I see you've gotten along without my "help")
This is beautifully formatted. I love the fonts, dropcaps, and the way text flows around the illustrations. Well done, brilliant!
This is the sort of thing I am looking for in eBooks.
i agree poppa, it's great to see that you can really make some beautifully formatted books en epub. and just think, as the format evolves and reading systems are perfected, we'll be able to make even more beautiful books... can't wait ! :)

This ebook truly is a work of art.

Has anyone seen an epub of Alice in Wonderland with the Tenniel illustrations that is this high quality?

If not, I may try to create one.


Troy

There's this (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69867) and this (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69868)

I don't know about the quality, though. I can tell you they don't have the text wrapped around pictures because I didn't find a really portable solution (something that would work in large and small screens, portrait and landscape...).

troy, thank you so much for the compliment. i'm so glad you like this book. as for your question, i would highly recommend any book by jellby as extra high quality. jellby is the king of epub. but i would love to see any epub books you try your hand at, so please don't hesitate to share with us ! :)

MacEachaidh
07-02-2010, 01:35 AM
Oh Zelda, this looks amazing. Congratulations! And thanks!

One question, for anyone who can help me: how do I download it?

If I click on the link, it opens in my Firefox, looks beautiful, but when I try to save it from the File menu it isn't recognised as an ePub file, and wants to be saved as discreet xhtml files. If I right-lick on the link, and save the linked file, I just get a php file.

I want to save it to my new iRiver Story as a test of its screen-formatting capabilities. But how?

Edited to add:
Ahhh, I think it might be the ePub plug-in in Firefox. I tried reading this page in Google Chrome, and I can save it fine. Zelda, again: many thanks. I'm off to try the file on my iRiver Story. Oy, I hope I'm not disappointed ...

cbell
07-18-2010, 01:23 AM
I am impressed with the iPad's rendering of this wonderful book ... shame the device is a little overly large for 'light reading'.

This book looks good on an iPod Touch, too...

http://www.mobileread.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=220&pictureid=3009

GeoffC
07-18-2010, 04:09 AM
This book looks good on an iPod Touch, too...

http://www.mobileread.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=220&pictureid=3009


Now that's a pleasure to see .... Thanks .

GA Russell
07-18-2010, 06:40 PM
I read this last month, and enjoyed it so much I have started the sequel. It came pre-loaded with my jetBook Lite, but I read Zelda's version.

I had never heard of the book before I joined MR!

Thanks Zelda!

zelda_pinwheel
07-25-2010, 10:14 AM
Oh Zelda, this looks amazing. Congratulations! And thanks!
you are very welcome ! i hope you enjoy it. thanks so much for the kind words !

One question, for anyone who can help me: how do I download it?

If I click on the link, it opens in my Firefox, looks beautiful, but when I try to save it from the File menu it isn't recognised as an ePub file, and wants to be saved as discreet xhtml files. If I right-lick on the link, and save the linked file, I just get a php file.

I want to save it to my new iRiver Story as a test of its screen-formatting capabilities. But how?

Edited to add:
Ahhh, I think it might be the ePub plug-in in Firefox. I tried reading this page in Google Chrome, and I can save it fine. Zelda, again: many thanks. I'm off to try the file on my iRiver Story. Oy, I hope I'm not disappointed ...
i'm glad you got that sorted out so quickly ! sorry i didn't see your message sooner. you're right that it's the epub plugin in firefox that causes that behaviour ; i ended up disactivating it, because in fact i never read in my browser, and it drove me crazy having to remember to right click every time. :rolleyes:

This book looks good on an iPod Touch, too...

http://www.mobileread.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=220&pictureid=3009
wow, that does look nice ! i'm impressed, i wouldn't have expected it to hold up so well on such a small screen. thanks for the photo !

I read this last month, and enjoyed it so much I have started the sequel. It came pre-loaded with my jetBook Lite, but I read Zelda's version.

I had never heard of the book before I joined MR!

Thanks Zelda!
GA Russell, you have made my day ! i absolutely adore this book and it's one of my favourites ; no matter how many times i read it it still makes me laugh uncontrollably. i'm really happy to know that thanks to my version someone else has discovered this brilliant story, and enjoyed it as much as i do ! it really makes the time i spent on this ebook worth it. thank you so much for that message !

JSWolf
07-26-2010, 10:09 AM
This book looks good on an iPod Touch, too...

http://www.mobileread.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=220&pictureid=3009

What app are you using to view this?

Jellby
07-26-2010, 10:44 AM
It is interesting that it hyphenates "Willi-/am". It indicates it could hyphenate other words, which is good for narrow widths.

GeoffC
07-26-2010, 10:46 AM
It certainly looks very neat, and I do like the red/brown font on the cream background.

cbell
07-26-2010, 07:51 PM
What app are you using to view this?

Stanza :)

Geoff, I like the red/brown font on cream background, too. This is how it looks with black text and the backlight turned down.

MacEachaidh
07-26-2010, 11:08 PM
you are very welcome ! i hope you enjoy it. thanks so much for the kind words !

You're absolutely welcome, Zelda.

I find your file an enormously pleasing piece of layout in any context; the fact that it's been done in a technology that very few seem able to employ impressively, and has the added twinkle of being almost completely arcane to me, and that your coding is proving to be so robustly portable ... look, I don't mean to sound fawning, but for me that makes it utterly gobsmacking. I'd previously seen screenshots of your ePub all over the web, whenever people were talking about e.books and their reading devices, obviously holding your coding up as an example of "Just What Can Be Done With The Format", without my knowing where it had come from, and without :angry: credit being given to you. (That's the darker side of public domain efforts, to my way of thinking. If people aren't directly required to acknowledge someone's work, they generally don't bother giving the publishing space over to making the gesture freely.) It throws a curious light on commercial e.book products, of which I have several now, and have never seen one that came close to your efforts in layout. Different books need different looks, obviously, but so many instances of commercial electronic publishing seem to take a "near enough is good enough" approach to their products that it disgusts me.

So, my sincere congratulations, Zelda, and thanks for the delight you've provided.

On a happier note, I was beaming (and a little relieved, I admit) to see that it translated beautifully onto the iRiver Story, a device that has proved quite robust and pleases me immensely, but that does have shortcomings in the way it handles some of the formats it purports to support. (I've read enough of these forums now to realise that all e.readers seem to, in their own way.) I don't have the means for creating a screenshot of your book displayed on the Story, but it looks as good as any of the examples I've seen posted here from other devices. Thanks so much!

GA Russell
07-27-2010, 11:41 AM
GA Russell, you have made my day !

Thanks you for saying so, Zelda! Your efforts are appreciated here!

zelda_pinwheel
07-28-2010, 07:31 AM
It is interesting that it hyphenates "Willi-/am". It indicates it could hyphenate other words, which is good for narrow widths.
yes, i see it hyphenates also "motion" in the first paragraph ; i wonder how good the algorithm is or if it is quite basic ? to be honest i'm not sure i would put hyphens in those names, but for a narrow screen it can certainly help. i wonder also if it can hyphenate other languages or if it relies on some set of rules specifically for english ?

You're absolutely welcome, Zelda.

I find your file an enormously pleasing piece of layout in any context; the fact that it's been done in a technology that very few seem able to employ impressively, and has the added twinkle of being almost completely arcane to me, and that your coding is proving to be so robustly portable ... look, I don't mean to sound fawning, but for me that makes it utterly gobsmacking. I'd previously seen screenshots of your ePub all over the web, whenever people were talking about e.books and their reading devices, obviously holding your coding up as an example of "Just What Can Be Done With The Format", without my knowing where it had come from, and without :angry: credit being given to you. (That's the darker side of public domain efforts, to my way of thinking. If people aren't directly required to acknowledge someone's work, they generally don't bother giving the publishing space over to making the gesture freely.) It throws a curious light on commercial e.book products, of which I have several now, and have never seen one that came close to your efforts in layout. Different books need different looks, obviously, but so many instances of commercial electronic publishing seem to take a "near enough is good enough" approach to their products that it disgusts me.

So, my sincere congratulations, Zelda, and thanks for the delight you've provided.
wow, that's a really incredibly nice thing to say ! knowing that this book has provided you (and others) with delight is, i think, the highest compliment you can pay. of course, i have to share the credit with quite a few people. there's this guy named jerome, for instance, who did have a hand in making the whole thing possible. ;) i agree that we see too few examples of really nice epub books but luckily there are a few available. all of jellby's books (available here ! for free !) are definitely worth the detour. our very own pdurrant has also done a magnificent job creating the hand-coded epub version of Desbarollda, The Waltzing Mouse : http://www.durrantpublishing.co.uk/Desbarollda/index.html. those are just a couple of examples i can think of off the top of my head. I think it's great to talk about them as much as possible ; the more really high quality epub books people are aware of, hopefully the more their standards will be raised and the more they will come to expect a quality book from commercial publishers who, sadly, are often the worst offenders when it comes to really poorly-made books, as you've noticed. i suspect many people are convinced you actually *can't* make a good-looking book in epub, simply because they've never seen one. i didn't know this particular book was "all over the web" ; i know of 3 places it's been used, 2 of which asked my permission first (the third one, i didn't know about until someone sent me a link). but that doesn't really bother me, to be honest ; my role in creating this book is relatively small, after all i didn't write the story nor draw the illustrations. and some of the trickier coding bits were done with the invaluable help of some of our epub gods here (notably jellby). in the end though my original intention was to see "just what can be done with this format" so i'm quite pleased for people to use it as an example ; i hope it will give other people the idea of making some really nice books.

On a happier note, I was beaming (and a little relieved, I admit) to see that it translated beautifully onto the iRiver Story, a device that has proved quite robust and pleases me immensely, but that does have shortcomings in the way it handles some of the formats it purports to support. (I've read enough of these forums now to realise that all e.readers seem to, in their own way.) I don't have the means for creating a screenshot of your book displayed on the Story, but it looks as good as any of the examples I've seen posted here from other devices. Thanks so much!
that is great to hear as well ! in the end, a book can only be as good as the reading system it's displayed on.

Thanks you for saying so, Zelda! Your efforts are appreciated here!
:) thank *you* for saying so.

billingd
07-28-2010, 11:06 PM
I really enjoyed reading this book. It inspired be to publish "Three in Norway", which I have uploaded today. I had an interesting time hand-crafting the book and learning from "Three Men in a Boat".

Arthursbedtime
10-31-2010, 01:20 PM
Loved the format on my Kobo. Good job and some.

I loaded the epub through Calibre. everything seems to work.

I ran it through Calibre's converter and the toc was lost.

I often do this to add a cover pic.

MacEachaidh
10-31-2010, 01:24 PM
Maybe you could try using Sigil to add the cover, bedtime. It's more hands-on than Calibre, but you won't lose anything of the existing formatting.

Arthursbedtime
11-05-2010, 02:20 AM
Maybe you could try using Sigil to add the cover, bedtime. It's more hands-on than Calibre, but you won't lose anything of the existing formatting.
Yes, I have been investigating, Sigil, but it is a learning curve.

MacEachaidh
11-05-2010, 10:03 AM
Yes, I have been investigating, Sigil, but it is a learning curve.

For me too, mate!! ;)

Adding a cover is pretty straightforward, though - much more so than adjusting the layout of an entire book.

blanca_luz
12-05-2010, 09:30 AM
Wow Zelda... this is a great work!!!

:bow2::tup:

Arthursbedtime
12-12-2010, 10:10 AM
For me too, mate!! ;)

Adding a cover is pretty straightforward, though - much more so than adjusting the layout of an entire book.

I have been using Sigil a lot.
If you use the file merge function then Calibre
will often give a good TOC.

So the best layout for Calibre is a cover page and
a single text file.

Arthursbedtime
12-12-2010, 10:14 AM
Can anyone tell me the reason for using multiple files for epub?
I get the separate cover page. I haven't tried files on other EReaders
other than my old Kobo.

khalleron
12-12-2010, 04:05 PM
Can anyone tell me the reason for using multiple files for epub?
I get the separate cover page. I haven't tried files on other EReaders
other than my old Kobo.


It's because some older readers can't handle files bigger than 300k. Breaking the book into separate chapter files makes it easier for some readers to handle.

The Terminator
03-03-2012, 07:31 PM
Looks great, thanks for the book.

OddCosine
03-13-2012, 10:03 AM
Wow, this book looks terrific! Thanks for all your work on this.

I used KindleGen 2 to convert the EPUB to KF8, and it looks great on my Fire. It doesn't use the embedded fonts, but it flows the text nicely around the images; even the non-rectangular ones.

Can't wait till they roll-out KF8 support for the Touch.

BookCat
02-24-2014, 12:02 PM
I haven't read the entirety of this thread, but can this be converted easily to a kindle format? I notice that the one in the kindle uploads isn't this illustrated version. Would it be possible for someone to convert this accurately?

DaleDe
02-24-2014, 12:42 PM
Try using the latest KindleGen on the file and see for yourself how well it will work. When this was first done Amazon Kindle was still using KF7 format but now the new KF8 and AZK formats may render this ok. It is fairly easy to try using either KindleGen or Kindle Previewer. See our wiki for more details on these newer formats and tools.

jgaiser
02-25-2014, 06:04 PM
I haven't read the entirety of this thread, but can this be converted easily to a kindle format? I notice that the one in the kindle uploads isn't this illustrated version. Would it be possible for someone to convert this accurately?

It converts perfectly if you use azw3. Either kindlegen as DaleDe recommends (though you'll end up with a file that contains both standard mobi and azw3 - easily split with KindleUnpack PI) or calibre for just azw3.

radius
02-26-2014, 05:01 PM
I haven't read the entirety of this thread, but can this be converted easily to a kindle format? I notice that the one in the kindle uploads isn't this illustrated version. Would it be possible for someone to convert this accurately?

Doesn't solve your problem, but this book worked great on my PRS-505 (which you have listed in your profile) :D