Responding to your recent feedback (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42440), we have decided to launch a poll where you can help us choose how to handle "serious" off-topic discussions in our community.

From all the feedback we have received, we were able to pin it down to two options that we got:

Option 1) Leave "Lounge" as it is and add another section - "Salon" (or "The Study", or similarly named) - under Miscellaneous. The new section will hold topics which don't fit within any of the other sections and that go beyond mere banter (which is a predominant theme in the Lounge). It'd be where folks can gather to discuss issues of importance to them with minimal diversions into "silliness" (as we would generally agree on).

Option 2) Add a new sortable thread prefix - "Keep it Sensible" (or similarly named) - in the Lounge section to go alongside "Silliness" and "Meet Up". The prefix would indicate that folks want to discuss issues of importance to them with minimal diversions into "silliness" (as we would generally agree on).

Technical note: It is possible to exclude forums from your new post searches, but it is not possible to exclude threads based on their prefix.

Hence -

Option 1 would give you the advantage to be able to competely ignore either section in new post searches (optional, through your user settings (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/profile.php?do=editoptions#optout)), while option 2 has the advantage that all off-topic posts would still be located within the same section.

We will make this poll a quick one (it runs for only three or four days), so please go ahead and vote for your favorite option.

As always, hearing what you have to say, whether criticism or praise, helps us a lot to improve this community. Thanks for your support!

I went with option 1

1 for me, naturally :)

1 for me, too. I think that, if another prefix were to be added to the Lounge, it would be very easily overlooked, and we could get many inadvertently inappropriate posts to "Sensible" threads. A separate forum seems a far better solution.

I, too, voted for option 1, but I would suggest that its name reflect what it is intended for, something that a name like Salon does not do. I admit I do not have a name suggestion, but I think choosing an appropriate name is important.

Let's not get sidetracked onto what it should be called :). Names can trivially be changed at any point; the important thing is to decide whether or not to have a separate forum.

I voted for #1 also. I feel that added options will enhance the experience here. The name "Salon" was proposed to tie in with the Salon Movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salon_(gathering))wherein people sit together and discuss topics of importance to them.

I voted for #1, of course.


Don

I don't have strong opinions either way, so probably won't vote.

But I would like to say that it is just terrific that the recent discussion has been taken on board to this extent - members' voices really count!

Just one more illustration of why MobileRead is the best forum on the Internet. Well done and many thanks!! :2thumbsup

I, too, voted for option 1, but I would suggest that its name reflect what it is intended for, something that a name like Salon does not do. I admit I do not have a name suggestion, but I think choosing an appropriate name is important.

Oh noes, not a poll on what the name should be. Perish the thought. Although we do love our polls.

How about:

Roundtable
Symposium
Conclave
Council Room
Junction
Concourse

BOb

Let's not get sidetracked onto what it should be called :). Names can trivially be changed at any point; the important thing is to decide whether or not to have a separate forum.

Well, if the 3:1 vote ratio continues...

I posted my name suggestion before I saw your above message. Forgive me my trespasses. :D

BOb

Thanks Alex and MobileRead for responding so quickly and for giving everyone a chance to be heard. It is one of the things I like most about this community! :)

Oh, and I voted for 1.

Kaz

I voted for option 2. I believe people are civilized enough to respect a prefix. :)

I voted also for option 2. I just don't like too many forum sections...

I very much lean to the first option too. I think it's much harder to overlook than a prefix on the thread.

I have some questions.

Can someone provide some sample topics that would get posted in this new forum?

When discussing this issue in the thread that started this pole I mentioned wanting a forum that I could start threads like the following --

College textbooks -- are current readers inadequate
An idea for book publishers
Illustrations in ebooks
A list of great ebook related sites
A proposal to modernize copyright laws
The case for digital piracy

However, it was pointed out that these kinds of threads should be started in the "News and Commentary" forum. Is this true? Or are these the kind of topics that will be posted in the New Forum? Or is the intention for the New Forum to have non-ebook related posts that aren't of a banter type nature?

If a new forum is added, I liked MOd BOb's suggestion about voting on the forum's name.

I have some questions.

Can someone provide some sample topics that would get posted in this new forum?

This would be a "non-ebook" topic forum similar to the lounge. So topics:

A great banana bread recipe
Should eminent domain be for "any purpose"
Should marijuana be legalized
Would putting the US back on the gold standard work
Thoughts on the new Star Trek movie

BOb

Voted #2. Problem with a serious off-topic forum is that I doubt it'll get browsed as often--if I do have a question, I want casual browsers who are looking for lounging to at least get the opportunity to answer if the subject title catches their eye. And the same goes for when I'm looking to lounge and a serious subject happens to catch my eye...

Thanks BOb, that helps a lot.

I've decided that in this case I don't have a dog in the hunt, so I'll leave it up to the users of the Lounge.

I'm still yet undecided. I would like to have seen the option to leave things as they are.

I have no problems traversing the many forums in MR and picking up on the threads that interest me; but I realize the debate is over.

At some point I'll probably vote for whichever option effects me the least. (Very Selfish of me, I know.)

WDE.

I'm still yet undecided. I would like to have seen the option to leave things as they are.

voting for the prefix is as close to voting for "leave things as they are".

BOb

I was leaning toward option 1 but, I am now unsure.

I thought that the "News and Commentary Latest on e-books, e-paper, DRM and related technologies" section was for relating current news topics and comments related to that specific news article.

My understanding was that topics of the nature that Daithi brought up were to be for the new section as they were more member thoughts and ideas not necessarily based on a specific news post but a variety of current issues.:blink:

I have some questions.

Can someone provide some sample topics that would get posted in this new forum?

When discussing this issue in the thread that started this pole I mentioned wanting a forum that I could start threads like the following --

College textbooks -- are current readers inadequate
An idea for book publishers
Illustrations in ebooks
A list of great ebook related sites
A proposal to modernize copyright laws
The case for digital piracy

However, it was pointed out that these kinds of threads should be started in the "News and Commentary" forum. Is this true? Or are these the kind of topics that will be posted in the New Forum? Or is the intention for the New Forum to have non-ebook related posts that aren't of a banter type nature?

If a new forum is added, I liked MOd BOb's suggestion about voting on the forum's name.

I don't agree that the new section should have non-ebook related volatile topics such as the quick examples that pilotbob mentioned.
Topics should have some connection to how members would use these device-related topics. Recipes, craft ideas/patterns, gardening.. these could and are compiled and made into pages for personal devices. These topics could be seen as ebook related.

Starting threads for topics such as:Should marijuana be legalized?, Would putting the US back on the gold standard work?, and others of this nature could and probably would quickly become very heated and insulting.

This would be a "non-ebook" topic forum similar to the lounge. So topics:

A great banana bread recipe
Should eminent domain be for "any purpose"
Should marijuana be legalized
Would putting the US back on the gold standard work
Thoughts on the new Star Trek movie

BOb

OK, that was my two cents (probably worth less now:) I still think that there is some confusion about what the "new section" would contain that would be different other than "not silly/ not seriously off-topic".

voting for the prefix is as close to voting for "leave things as they are".

BOb

I don't think so, Bob

I vote for #1 and getting rid of the "silly" prefix as it won't be necessary anymore. If you're in the lounge it will be a given that the threads are mostly silly. If you're in the "salon", things will be a bit more subdued.

I vote for #1 and getting rid of the "silly" prefix as it won't be necessary anymore. If you're in the lounge it will be a given that the threads are mostly silly. If you're in the "salon", things will be a bit more subdued.

I'm hoping it doesn't pan out like that. I'd hope that the Lounge would carry on as before, with a mix of topics and tone - and a tolerance of wandering off-topic occasionally. With the Salon for more disciplined discussion.

I wouldn't like to see a thread get lifted-and-shifted out of the Lounge because it wasn't flippant enough to stay there.

I wouldn't like to see a thread get lifted-and-shifted out of the Lounge because it wasn't flippant enough to stay there.

That should absolutely not be happening. It's up to the thread starter to decide where his thread belongs to as long as it fits the theme of the section.

I'm hoping it doesn't pan out like that. I'd hope that the Lounge would carry on as before, with a mix of topics and tone - and a tolerance of wandering off-topic occasionally. With the Salon for more disciplined discussion.

I wouldn't like to see a thread get lifted-and-shifted out of the Lounge because it wasn't flippant enough to stay there.

Fair enough but I get tired of seeing so many threads with the "silly" label when I sort by new posts. Sometimes, it looks like a sea of blue tags.

That should absolutely not be happening. It's up to the thread starter to decide where his thread belongs to as long as it fits the theme of the section.

Thanks - that's reassuring. :)

I agree with option 1 -- but "Salon" doesn't in any way imply serious to me. Is this a USA difference? "Salon-Seriously" would help! Or something else.

I think 'salon' is being used in the sense of an intellectual gathering.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salon_(gathering)

But I'm not sure a name has actually been decided - so it may just be a place holder for now.

I think 'salon' is being used in the sense of an intellectual gathering.


I guess I'm wondering if other US people use the word in that meaning. I've never used it that way. I thought it was a casual gathering word. But maybe I'm in the minority.
I agree -- it's a placeholder for now!

oops - please ignore

Thank you for allowing the vote! I went #1.

I was loathe to vote, because I don't think we need either of the options, but I went with #2 as over here in the UK a Salon is where (predominantly) women gather to get their nails manicured, faces waxed, basically a place of pampering.

Don't worry about the name: "Salon" is just a "place-holder" name - it can be changed if required. The important issue is whether or not a separate forum would be beneficial; personally, I think that it would.

Oh bother! I thought it said "saloon"

Can I change my vote?

Just kidding, Harry.

I was loathe to vote, because I don't think we need either of the options, but I went with #2 as over here in the UK a Salon is where (predominantly) women gather to get their nails manicured, faces waxed, basically a place of pampering.

I would normally agree with that, but the word is usually prefaced by "beauty," such as "Beauty Salon." This is in the U.S.

In Peru, the word "Salon" is seemingly everywhere, but again it denotes a place where women (predominately) get pedicures, manicures, faces and legs waxed, and hair fixed in various manners. Occasionally, the word will have "beauty" before "salon." They are on every corner, it seems.

Don

I would normally agree with that, but the word is usually prefaced by "beauty," such as "Beauty Salon." This is in the U.S.

In Peru, the word "Salon" is seemingly everywhere, but again it denotes a place where women (predominately) get pedicures, manicures, faces and legs waxed, and hair fixed in various manners. Occasionally, the word will have "beauty" before "salon." They are on every corner, it seems.

Don

I suppose it's as much to do with my geography and the pattern of language used in my area. When my sister or aunt or a friend is going to a 'Beauty Salon' they'll say something along the lines of:

"I'm going to the Salon"

The prefix of 'Beauty' is all but gone in common language usage around here. The actual Salon's themselves don't have the word Beauty very often either - it's more like <name of proprietor> Salon or <exotic locale> Salon.

I suppose the word conjures up images of blow-dryers, tanning beds and free cups of tea in my head :)

I voted for #1 as well. I don't care about a name however, it would be nice to add an "o" and make it "Saloon" :p

I understood 'Salon' in the sense of 'intellectual/cultural gathering' but that doesn't seem to be the norm, so it'd be better to find another name. 'Saloon' wouldn't do for me - in my mind it invokes the things we are trying to be different from.

Intellectual Saloon?
:book2:

Conversazione?

Yeah, I'm pretty much giving up on the whole idea of Salon. Hope continues to exist that a perfect name will present itself...

'Miscellany', 'Miscellanies' or 'Notes and Miscellanies'?

All important discussion are known to happen around the "water cooler"

Dale

The Conservatory - cos it's more conservative than the Lounge?

(Or Conversatory - a play on words, but possibly a bit silly.)

All important discussion are known to happen around the "water cooler"

Dale

"The Water Cooler" :chinscratch: I like that, Dale. It gives you the feeling that you could discuss topics like the latest episode of a favorite TV program, an interesting News item (non-ebook related), a recently visited vacation spot, etc. Although I have never worked in a place with a water cooler (the teachers' lounge is where we hung out), it seems like the new forum concept would fit nicely under that title.

Kaz

Although I have never worked in a place with a water cooler (the teachers' lounge is where we hung out), it seems like the new forum concept would fit nicely under that title.

Kaz

We always had a water cooler, but it was always in "The Break Room".

BOb

The Conservatory - cos it's more conservative than the Lounge?

Having recently played a number of games of CLUE with my kids, this begs the question, "Professor Plum in the Conservatory with the Wrench?" :D Sorry, I think I'm having flashbacks. :o

I am still leaning toward "The Water Cooler". :)

Kaz

We always had a water cooler, but it was always in "The Break Room".

BOb

"The Break Room" would work, as well! We only had drinking fountains and those I tried to stay away from except under extreme circumstances! I worked with children, after all. :p

Kaz

How about:

The Snug
The Lair
The Fortress of Solitude
The Bat Cave
Uncle Jim's Serious Corner
The Void
The Old Curiosity Shoppe
The Aviary
The Barrel


Okay, okay, so I can't think of anything that isn't mildly stupid :)

"The Water Cooler" :chinscratch: I like that, Dale. It gives you the feeling that you could discuss topics like the latest episode of a favorite TV program, an interesting News item (non-ebook related), a recently visited vacation spot, etc. Although I have never worked in a place with a water cooler (the teachers' lounge is where we hung out), it seems like the new forum concept would fit nicely under that title.

Kaz

I suspect that is a US-specific expression. I'd never heard of a "water cooler" until I looked up its meaning on reading this. Perhaps not a good idea to use such a term on a world-wide board like MR.

We've got one in our university common room in Wales.
And we usually have water coolers available at conferences.
So the item is beginning to catch on, Harry.

'Water cooler moment' is a common phrase in the UK for something in the media (usually TV) that gets people talking the following day.

But, as the new forum is designed to be a haven from the 'excesses' of the Lounge, might I suggest calling it The Asylum? ;)

I'm afraid this has already gone off-topic, but if you are suggesting names already, I'll take the liberty to propose "The Athenaeum". To me, at least, it has the connotation of serious discussion.

The Fold:

where conversations don't wander.

The Library.

Ben Franklin's discussion group was called JUNTO. I think the meaning of the word has changed somewhat since then, but I'm just sayin' . . . :bookworm:

Maybe just Discussion Group.

. . . Roundtable

. . . Comment and Debate

Interesting poll results so far.

Ben Franklin's discussion group was called JUNTO. I think the meaning of the word has changed somewhat since then, but I'm just sayin' . . . :bookworm:

Maybe just Discussion Group.

........... . . Roundtable

. . .......... Comment and Debate


How about Comments and Discussion

I voted 1 - I often mark entire forums as read when I'm catching up, but very rarely notice tags! However, whilst I happy to miss out on the talk about Kindles, CyBooks and other devices I don't own, I wouldn't want to miss out on the lounge.

I'm afraid this has already gone off-topic, but if you are suggesting names already, I'll take the liberty to propose "The Athenaeum". To me, at least, it has the connotation of serious discussion.

I rather like that for a serious discussion forum :)

Or about pinching a leaf from Oxford University Press and calling it Notes and Queries? (http://nq.oxfordjournals.org/). Then again, maybe not - I seem to recall The Grauniad has a similarly named section (http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqueries/), which is altogether more silly, so that might confuse UK bods at the very least...

I associate the Athenaeum with the conservative gentleman's club of that name, in Pall Mall, London
.
http://www.athenaeumclub.co.uk/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenaeum_Club,_London

It's a private club; very elitist; and only admitted women in 2002. I doubt whether that name would be conducive to inclusive discussion. But if a pretentious snob's corner is wanted, then the name is fine.
:)

I associate the Athenaeum with the conservative gentleman's club of that name, in Pall Mall, London
.
http://www.athenaeumclub.co.uk/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenaeum_Club,_London

It's a private club; very elitist; and only admitted women in 2002. I doubt whether that name would be conducive to inclusive discussion. But if a pretentious snob's corner is wanted, then the name is fine.
:)

Hrm. Good point. I was thinking more of it's library and association with (alleged?) intellectuals...

What about the previous Round Table suggestion? I rather like it.

What about the previous Round Table suggestion? I rather like it.

Given all the Monty Python fans round here (pun intended), I'm not so sure that's the best name for a serious discussion spot... :D

Given all the Monty Python fans round here (pun intended), I'm not so sure that's the best name for a serious discussion spot... :D

I'm not a hard core Monty Python fan so I don't understand why Round Table wouldn't be appropriate. (Or is that something else I need to check the wiki for.) Personally I've never chuckled or giggled at the phrase Round Table, but then again I suppose every phrase might have a funny or irreverent connotation to somebody, right? :)

Great...then will the name be changed from Ministry of Silliness to Ministry of Silly Walks?

Here's a few ideas for you.

The Alcove
Conference Room
Debate Society
The Den
Dialogue House
The Exchange
Parley Place
Quorum
The Symposium
The Vault

I think MOd BOb mentioned voting on the name. I think that would be a cool idea.

MobileRead Cafe

(with the appropriate accent)

move the silly to its own section, leave the rest, call it 'the nut house' or something like that

move the silly to its own section, leave the rest, call it 'the nut house' or something like that

Yes!:thumbsup:

move the silly to its own section, leave the rest, call it 'the nut house' or something like that


Now there's an idea worth the voting :) You could call it Bedlam ;)

I suspect that is a US-specific expression. I'd never heard of a "water cooler" until I looked up its meaning on reading this. Perhaps not a good idea to use such a term on a world-wide board like MR.

Harry, did you ever see the film "9-to-5"? A lot of discussion goes on at the water cooler.

Don

I know what a water-cooler is, Don; I just didn't know that's what they were called. They'd always been a rather vague "that thing that you can get a cup of water from" in my mind :).

Topic Discussion


It's a play on keeping on topic, and it's a place for discussion.



Don

Let's just ban all lack of seriousness (paticurlarly silliness) from the forum entirely. We could actively enforce it by adding a squad of new moderators to police the threads who would delete all comments that veered from the topic or caused one to smile or chuckle. Repeat offenders would be expelled. Strict adherence to the thread topic, as defined narrowly by the thread owners, would then be maintained so long as we maintained constant vigilence. I'm all for it.

... I don't understand why Round Table wouldn't be appropriate. ...

'Cos it's for squares? ;)

Let's just ban all lack of seriousness (paticurlarly silliness) from the forum entirely. We could actively enforce it by adding a squad of new moderators to police the threads who would delete all comments that veered from the topic or caused one to smile or chuckle. Repeat offenders would be expelled. Strict adherence to the thread topic, as defined narrowly by the thread owners, would then be maintained so long as we maintained constant vigilence. I'm all for it.

Now that's just silly. :p

Now that's just silly. :p
*deleted to promote peace and harmony in MR*

Leave it alone, guys. I doubt either of these options would actually hurt the Lounge as it is, and if it makes other people happy, where's the harm?

Leave it alone, guys. I doubt either of these options would actually hurt the Lounge as it is, and if it makes other people happy, where's the harm?

Neko, please don't misunderstand. I don't think either option would do harm and I would support either of them. I simply cringe at some of the attitudes that have been expressed. I'll leave it at that. :)

I'm not a hard core Monty Python fan so I don't understand why Round Table wouldn't be appropriate. (Or is that something else I need to check the wiki for.) Personally I've never chuckled or giggled at the phrase Round Table, but then again I suppose every phrase might have a funny or irreverent connotation to somebody, right? :)

I think it was more the frame of mind I was in last night ;)

But this is why I made the comment:

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Lyceum?

I think it was more the frame of mind I was in last night ;)

But this is why I made the comment:

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Yes, I looked into that last night as well, to see what I might have missed, and ran across this same video. I'm sure I've seen that skit before. It just didn't impress my memory enough to associate the phrase Round Table with any funny or irreverent connotation at all. I GET what you were saying though.

Neko, please don't misunderstand. I don't think either option would do harm and I would support either of them. I simply cringe at some of the attitudes that have been expressed. I'll leave it at that. :)

I have to second these sentiments. I didn't have a problem at all with Jon's original request or reasoning. But subsequent posts, by others, were very disheartening at best, and I'll likewise leave it at that.

As for myself I have definitely decided to cut back a great deal on all my public posting on the forum. And that is for a number of reasons and attitudes. So my vote is, I don't care, do what you want.

-MJ

I have to second these sentiments. I didn't have a problem at all with Jon's original request or reasoning. But subsequent posts, by others, were very disheartening at best, and I'll likewise leave it at that.

As for myself I have definitely decided to cut back a great deal on all my public posting on the forum. And that is for a number of reasons and attitudes. So my vote is, I don't care, do what you want.

-MJ

I'm sorry, MJ. I fear I've just contributed to some of those hard feelings. Sometimes I wield sarcasm like a weapon and I did so unjustly this morning. I apologize for that and hope you'll please continue to participate in this forum as always. I personally find it quite informative, helpful, friendly, and fun.

As for myself I have definitely decided to cut back a great deal on all my public posting on the forum. And that is for a number of reasons and attitudes. So my vote is, I don't care, do what you want.

-MJ

Sorry to hear that :(

I associate the Athenaeum with the conservative gentleman's club of that name, in Pall Mall, London
.
http://www.athenaeumclub.co.uk/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenaeum_Club,_London

It's a private club; very elitist; and only admitted women in 2002. I doubt whether that name would be conducive to inclusive discussion. But if a pretentious snob's corner is wanted, then the name is fine.
:)

'Cos it's for squares? ;)

Y'know, taking those two thoughts together... nah :p

[...] I don't think either option would do harm and I would support either of them. I simply cringe at some of the attitudes that have been expressed. I'll leave it at that. :)I second that ; remember rule #6 ? ("don't take yourself so damn seriously") ;)

The Snug
The Lair
The Fortress of Solitude
The Bat Cave
Uncle Jim's Serious Corner
The Void
The Old Curiosity Shoppe
The Aviary
The Barrel
I'd suggest yet another poll :
What is your mother tongue / native language :
English (UK)
English (US)
English (other flavo-u-rs)
NOT English
:D:D:D

NOT English

Do you mean Foreign English?

Do you mean Foreign English?
P'bly something like... or globish? :D

Neko, please don't misunderstand. I don't think either option would do harm and I would support either of them. I simply cringe at some of the attitudes that have been expressed. I'll leave it at that. :)

I have to second these sentiments. I didn't have a problem at all with Jon's original request or reasoning. But subsequent posts, by others, were very disheartening at best, and I'll likewise leave it at that.

As for myself I have definitely decided to cut back a great deal on all my public posting on the forum. And that is for a number of reasons and attitudes. So my vote is, I don't care, do what you want.

-MJ

I am sorry that you both feel that way. As a contributor to the previous thread, I very much appreciated the discussion. It gave me a chance to express some thoughts that I'd had for quite awhile. The problem with reading responses rather than hearing them is that we miss the emotions that are expressed in voices and the written words can be interpreted in different ways depending on the reader. There were strong opinions presented, but I don't feel that anyone truly meant anything negatively.

I think both forums can happily coexist. There are times when you feel like you need to discuss a topic in a serious way and other times when you feel like kicking back and having a little fun. Having two forums gives people that choice and both choices are equally important!

As the saying goes, "Sometimes you feel like a nut, some times you don't!" :p
Kaz

I've noted that most everyone who has posted to this thread has indeed voted. The few who have not have stated their reasons for not doing so.

I see this Poll Thread as now serving three purposes, the most important being a place to vote for one's choice, if one wishes. As noted:

1) A Place to Vote
2) Expressions on choice and why (or why not)
3) Naming

While various names are now being pitched, the voting is NOT over and that whatever choice one chooses your vote certainly does count.

Naming:

Cafe Talk
Plain Talk
Cafe Discussion
Thematically Speaking
Topic Discussion

A number of people have mentioned other names. The above suggestions are merely mine and nothing more. Your suggestions may be more creative or correct.


Don

I have a name I think would do well for US and UK users alike...

The Conservatory

I have a name I think would do well for US and UK users alike...

The Conservatory
I like Conservatory.

I have a name I think would do well for US and UK users alike...
What about the rest of us? ;)

I like Conservatory.

I suggested that in post 46 - not that anyone was listening ('cept KazBates), hmmph :(.

My other suggestion was The Asylum. :)

What about the rest of us? ;)
For the non-US and non-UK users, I have another good idea...

The Conservatory

For the non-US and non-UK users, I have another good idea...

The Conservatory
Thank you :p

I have a name I think would do well for US and UK users alike...

The Conservatory

Because people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones?
:)

I like Conservatory too.

Professor Plum did it with the candelabra in the conservatory. Yeah, I like that.

I like Conservatory too.

Professor Plum did it with the candelabra in the conservatory. Yeah, I like that.
I came upon the name because last night, we were talking about my mother-in-law's conservatory in her house. The UK meaning fits very well as does the US meaning. And then there the Clue reference as well that also works.

I suggested that in post 46 - not that anyone was listening ('cept KazBates), hmmph :(.

My other suggestion was The Asylum. :)

I liked your suggestion of "The Conservatory" although it does give me flashbacks to the game, CLUE. :p

The only thing I worry is that it gives the impression that only conservative topics can be discussed there. I would hope the new forum would except many kinds of topics, just not with the added silliness that runs rampant in the Lounge.

Additionally, it is my hope that tangential thinking will also be allowed on any given topic as long as it does not digress to the afore mentioned silliness. Going "Off Topic" at times helps to keep the flow of ideas and information fluid.

(As a side note, I am NOT against silliness! Truth be told, it affects much of my daily life and I do enjoy reading the banter in the Lounge!!)

Kaz

If we must go this way, I'd try to keep the labels unambiguous.

Serious forum: just call it "Off Topic".

Silly forum: call it something like "Rumpus room".

I suggested that in post 46 - not that anyone was listening ('cept KazBates), hmmph :(.

My other suggestion was The Asylum. :)

I like Conservatory too.

Professor Plum did it with the candelabra in the conservatory. Yeah, I like that.

Having recently played a number of games of CLUE with my kids, this begs the question, "Professor Plum in the Conservatory with the Wrench?" :D Sorry, I think I'm having flashbacks. :o

Kaz

Don't feel bad Sparrow! They weren't listening to my reply to your post, either! :o

Kaz

Don't feel bad Sparrow! They weren't listening to my reply to your post, either! :o

Kaz


S'ok - it's hard to keep up and posts are easily missed.

Either that, or I'm on a lot of people's Ignore Lists. :chinscratch:

No, I'm sure it's the former. :D

What about the rest of us? ;)
My question entirely --i'll launch a poll on moher tongues to see what's happening... :)

If we must go this way, I'd try to keep the labels unambiguous.

Serious forum: just call it "Off Topic".

Silly forum: call it something like "Rumpus room".

It is my understanding that neither the title nor the description of the present Lounge forum will change. There are a great many serious topics under discussion there, and that is likely to remain the case. The participants often choose to "leaven" the discussions with humor. The proposed new forum would presumably have less of that. I'm not one of the people calling for a new forum, so those of you who are will need to decide what it should be called and how it should be described. But I suspect that many current Lounge participants will simply continue to post in the Lounge, including those who wish to discuss something "serious."

I have a name I think would do well for US and UK users alike...

The Conservatory


When I hear that, I think music. But that could just be me.


Don

...I suspect that many current Lounge participants will simply continue to post in the Lounge, including those who wish to discuss something "serious."

Yes, that's how I envisage it too.

My hopes for the new forum are that it will increase participation in MR from those who prefer a more sober approach. There are heaps of members who don't currently participate in discussions, and it would be great to hear from more of them.
The more the merrier! :)

When I hear that, I think music. But that could just be me.


Same here... but there are two definitions of conservatory in my dictionary:

1 a college for the study of classical music or other arts.
2 a room with a glass roof and walls, attached to a house at one side and used as a greenhouse or a sun parlor.

Although in the US I don't think I have ever heard it used that way as in definition 2. That def to me would be a Lanai or Sun Room or even Porch.

BOb

It is my understanding that neither the title nor the description of the present Lounge forum will change. There are a great many serious topics under discussion there, and that is likely to remain the case. The participants often choose to "leaven" the discussions with humor. The proposed new forum would presumably have less of that. I'm not one of the people calling for a new forum, so those of you who are will need to decide what it should be called and how it should be described. But I suspect that many current Lounge participants will simply continue to post in the Lounge, including those who wish to discuss something "serious."


I agree with you totally: Those who wish to post "serious" threads should (in my opinion) by all means continue to do so. The Lounge will continue on its course, with the posts changing only to reflect the posters' tastes within that Forum.


Don

S'ok - it's hard to keep up and posts are easily missed.

Either that, or I'm on a lot of people's Ignore Lists. :chinscratch:

No, I'm sure it's the former. :D

Sorry - did you say something? ;)

As the saying goes, "Sometimes you feel like a nut, some times you don't!" :p
Kaz

(totally not serious here )
One could be called "Almond Joy" and the other "Mounds". :p

Sorry, Sparrow. I hereby duly credit you with the suggestion and vow to pay more attention.

S'ok - it's hard to keep up and posts are easily missed.

Either that, or I'm on a lot of people's Ignore Lists. :chinscratch:

No, I'm sure it's the former. :D
I just missed your post. Otherwise, I would not have double suggested.

I rather like "Conservatory," but I'm not the one who wants the new section, so I don't think I get a vote, really. :)

I suspect most Americans learned the word while playing Clue, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing.

I rather like "Conservatory," but I'm not the one who wants the new section, so I don't think I get a vote, really. :)

I suspect most Americans learned the word while playing Clue, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing.


You have a voice and your voice/vote is important. (You have the smiley face after your comment, so I HOPE you're only joking.)


Don

You have a voice and your voice/vote is important. (You have the smiley face after your comment, so I HOPE you're only joking.)


Don

Really? Well, then let me add my voice as well.

Sometimes, discussions get so heated, a little silliness is needed to allow people to step back and take a break.


If the point is that the threads are being hijacked, and turned into just silliness, the solution is obvious.

A simple request by the OP or anyone else connected to the thread to "please stay on topic this is important to me" would be respected by all. Even me. :) We are not kindergardeners, and can be trusted to honor such requests.

Only ninnies would ignore the request, and would deserve to be ignored themselves.

Having to add a completely different thread prefix or section just seems excessively authoritarian. I realize as owners you can do this.


(My name is desertgrandma, and I approve the above message) :)

Having to add a completely different thread prefix or section just seems excessively authoritarian. I realize as owners you can do this.


May I just point out here that this request came from the MR membership not from the ownership. Also, by the poll it seems there is a demand for a separate area.

We have never been totalitarian here and are not about to start.

BOb

May I just point out here that this request came from the MR membership not from the ownership. Also, by the poll it seems there is a demand for a separate area.

We have never been totalitarian here and are not about to start.

BOb

Point well taken. I did not mean to imply it was originated by ownership, altho I see that it looks that way, and I certainly apologize if I offended anyone by my bad choice of wording in that respect.

I am well aware of how the demands started, and perhaps that should have been addressed as 'authoritarian'.

Also, by the poll it seems there is a demand for a separate area.
Going by the poll, a separate area is preferred over a tag in the Lounge. The poll does not include an option "leave forum areas and tags unchanged, but ask people to respect serious posts/threads if needed," so there is no way to evaluate whether that option would have been preferred by the membership.

However, on the basis of the poll, there are a considerable number of people (albeit an unknown percentage of the active membership) who wish for a separate area, and I would not begrudge them their wish.

Hi, desertgrandma:

Right now, many of us are working on coming up with a title and a descriptor, which I encourage all interested parties to contribute to - if they so desire.

Your voice is indeed important. :thumbsup:


Don

Descriptors:

1) "On-Topic Discussion unrelated to e-books and mobile devices."

2) "Various Discussion unrelated to e-books and mobile devices."

----

Names:

1) Perspective
2) Focus
3) Viewpoint


Don

Hi, desertgrandma:

Right now, many of us are working on coming up with a title and a descriptor, which I encourage all interested parties to contribute to - if they so desire.

Your voice is indeed important. :thumbsup:


Don

Hello, Dr. Drib.

I'd like to make sure I"m perfectly clear on this.

You (group of members) have decided that you need your very own threads in which to post, without the intrusion of the silliness/hijacking which happens sometimes?

Of course, anyone can participate in these threads, providing they stay strictly on topic.

Is that correct?

Hello, Dr. Drib.

I'd like to make sure I"m perfectly clear on this.

You (group of members) have decided that you need your very own threads in which to post, without the intrusion of the silliness/hijacking which happens sometimes?

Of course, anyone can participate in these threads, providing they stay strictly on topic.

Is that correct?

That's basically correct, yes. Many people feel that the Lounge is not a place that's condusive to serious discussions and have requested a separate forum for that purpose. Please let me stress that absolutely nothing whatsoever is being done TO the Lounge - it will continue exactly as it always has done.

Point well taken. I did not mean to imply it was originated by ownership, altho I see that it looks that way, and I certainly apologize if I offended anyone by my bad choice of wording in that respect.

I am well aware of how the demands started, and perhaps that should have been addressed as 'authoritarian'.

I don't think anyone is trying to be authoritarian or dictatorial. :)

It takes all kinds of people to make a community and the greatest achievement of MobileRead is that the majority of the people who post here feel that sense of community whether they like to be silly or not. Having two separate places to post where there are clearly defined guidelines, one geared more toward lightheartedness and the other more toward seriousness allows people to have a choice. No one is trying to restrict anyone from posting anywhere. To be honest, I am not "aware of how the demands started" but can't see the harm in the new forum.

I am sorry to see all the red "H"'s, though. I've bragged to my college-aged kids about how considerate and caring the posters to MobileRead are and I feel like the "H"'s are causing divisiveness and hard feelings. :(
Kaz

Red H's? Sorry, what's that about?

Having two separate places to post where there are clearly defined guidelines, one geared more toward lightheartedness and the other more toward seriousness allows people to have a choice.


I think serious topics will still be discussed in the Lounge, so it will be interesting to see how the new forum develops. (In my mind I'm imagining the new forum as appealing to members who have their sense of humour on a tight rein, and the Lounge for those who don't mind letting theirs have a gallop - but I could be wrong.)


I am sorry to see all the red "H"'s, though. I've bragged to my college-aged kids about how considerate and caring the posters to MobileRead are and I feel like the "H"'s are causing divisiveness and hard feelings. :(
Kaz

I think some people were a bit miffed about how the Lounge (and those who post to it) were characterised in the original discussion.

Red H's? Sorry, what's that about?

See this thread:
http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43684

For those who missed it, the discussion regarding whether or not o introduce a new section is in this thread (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42440).
Edit: I added this because it seems that peple are asking all over again 'why' - probably it would be better to read the thread and discuss there?

@harryT; a lot of red H's has appeared in a number of people's avatars. I don't what it is about, but a guess could be this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlet_letter - though it's an A not a H. In any case, I'm not sure it's something nice.

[...] There are heaps of members who don't currently participate in discussions, and it would be great to hear from more of them.[...]
Zipf's "law" : out of 100 persons who happen to get on a forum

1% contribute frequently
9% contribute irregularly
90% lurk & don't contribute

(My experience entirely, from numerous other forums; & I've been in the first, second & third position myself! :)
(Check yourself : difference between number of posts and number of readings)

I think serious topics will still be discussed in the Lounge, so it will be interesting to see how the new forum develops. (In my mind I'm imagining the new forum as appealing to members who have their sense of humour on a tight rein, and the Lounge for those who don't mind letting theirs have a gallop - but I could be wrong.)

-> I agree completely! For further clarification, the new forum would give the original posters a choice to post their topic somewhere where it is understood that all subsequent posters should refrain from digressing to silliness. On the side of the coin, if someone posts a topic in the Lounge, they should do so with the understanding that the discussion could move toward the obscure.

I think some people were a bit miffed about how the Lounge (and those who post to it) were characterised in the original discussion.

-> Well...that is just silly! Perhaps I am naive, but I never got the impression from any of the posters that they were denegrating the Lounge or those who post there. They were just looking for a place where they could post their topic without the discussion deviating too far from the point. Frankly, that happens a lot in the Lounge and I can understand how that would be frustrating to the original poster or others trying to be a part of that discussion.

For those who missed it, the discussion regarding whether or not o introduce a new section is in this thread (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42440).
Edit: I added this because it seems that peple are asking all over again 'why' - probably it would be better to read the thread and discuss there?

@harryT; a lot of red H's has appeared in a number of people's avatars. I don't what it is about, but a guess could be this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlet_letter - though it's an A not a H. In any case, I'm not sure it's something nice.

-> Thanks, EA. I did know of that thread and have contributed to it, but I got the impression that there might be more to it than that.

Kaz

-> Well...that is just silly! Perhaps I am naive, but I never got the impression from any of the posters that they were denegrating the Lounge or those who post there.


You must have missed the term "karma whore". It was used at least once in this discussion..

The "H"s refer to the imagined punishment of posters that hijack a thread, that is their avatar is stamped with a large red H for "Hijack".

You must have missed the term "karma whore". It was used at least once in this discussion..
Time to get out the big red K.

The red H's are a bit of silliness that is in no way meant to be mean. People who frequent the Lounge will often get off on tangents about fun things. The whole idea of adding another section is to have a place where discussions will be kept on topic as a tradition. The H's were in reaction to the idea that silliness is bad.

It is not. It is just silly. Discussion on topic is not boring, either. It is just on topic. don't take offense at my H and I won't take offense at being called a Karma Whore, okay?

The red H's are a bit of silliness that is in no way meant to be mean. People who frequent the Lounge will often get off on tangents about fun things. The whole idea of adding another section is to have a place where discussions will be kept on topic as a tradition. The H's were in reaction to the idea that silliness is bad.

It is not. It is just silly. Discussion on topic is not boring, either. It is just on topic. don't take offense at my H and I won't take offense at being called a Karma Whore, okay?

A few months ago there was also a big red L going around. At the time I believe it stood for Loser but not in a bad way. It harkened to a time when some people would make an L out of their forefinger and thumb and place it on their forehead.

Dale

It harkened to a time when some people would make an L out of their forefinger and thumb and place it on their forehead.

Dale

Yes, I still do that. Guess I am either old or lame.

BOb

(opps now I need an H)

You must have missed the term "karma whore". It was used at least once in this discussion..

I really don't get the reference nor did I see it in any posts. If you are refering to me, I never even look at the whole Karma thing. :o

Kaz

The red H's are a bit of silliness that is in no way meant to be mean. People who frequent the Lounge will often get off on tangents about fun things. The whole idea of adding another section is to have a place where discussions will be kept on topic as a tradition. The H's were in reaction to the idea that silliness is bad.

It is not. It is just silly. Discussion on topic is not boring, either. It is just on topic. don't take offense at my H and I won't take offense at being called a Karma Whore, okay?

See...that's the thing I don't get. I haven't noticed any posts where the poster said that "silliness" was bad. I have stated numerous times that I liked to read the postings in the Lounge but just didn't feel comfortable jumping in. I took the original discussion to say that they would just like a place where they could keep to the discussion at hand.

Kaz

I really don't get the reference nor did I see it in any posts. If you are refering to me, I never even look at the whole Karma thing. :o

Kaz

I went looking for the term. I must have mixed up a couple different threads becuase the one person who likes to use it didn't actually use it in this discussion. My mistake.

http://www.mobileread.com/forums/search.php?searchid=1829579

I went looking for the term. I must have mixed up a couple different threads becuase the one person who likes to use it didn't actually use it in this discussion. My mistake.

http://www.mobileread.com/forums/search.php?searchid=1829579

Shew...Thanks! :o I was worried for a minute there! :)
Kaz

I'll keep my H, because I think it is pretty. Ravenne made it. And I'm one of the guiltier hijackers, so I've earned my scarlet letter. :)

See...that's the thing I don't get. I haven't noticed any posts where the poster said that "silliness" was bad.

One example, from post 12, "I-have-to-much-time-on-my-hands-and-nothing-usefull-to-do-so-I-will-post-something-silly" was a bit derogatory imho. :shrug:

I don't think anyone is trying to be authoritarian or dictatorial. :)


I am sorry to see all the red "H"'s, though. I've bragged to my college-aged kids about how considerate and caring the posters to MobileRead are and I feel like the "H"'s are causing divisiveness and hard feelings. :(
Kaz

The "H"'s are causing divisiveness and hard feelings?

How about insisting on a separate place to "discuss serious things without having to wade thru silliness", when a simple request to "keep it on topic" might do the same thing? "
Had anyone even thought about doing that?

Yes, I still do that. Guess I am either old or lame.

BOb

(opps now I need an H)

Well Lame is another good L word. An H is harder to make. :)

Dale

I'll keep my H, because I think it is pretty. Ravenne made it. And I'm one of the guiltier hijackers, so I've earned my scarlet letter. :)

-> I agree with your avatar. It is pretty, but I don't agree with the whole hijacking thing. If you were in the Lounge, going off topic in that way is to be expected and not something to be condemned.

One example, from post 12, "I-have-to-much-time-on-my-hands-and-nothing-usefull-to-do-so-I-will-post-something-silly" was a bit derogatory imho. :shrug:

-> :o I guess I missed that one. There is never a good reason to be derogatory when you are trying to make a point. If a point is valid, it should stand on it's own merit.

Kaz

The "H"'s are causing divisiveness and hard feelings?

How about insisting on a separate place to "discuss serious things without having to wade thru silliness", when a simple request to "keep it on topic" might do the same thing? "
Had anyone even thought about doing that?

Perhaps the original and subsequent posters didn't want to stifle the flow of words within the Lounge thread. I would much rather start a serious discussion in a thread designed for that rather than try to censor the posts of others in a forum thread that was more free flowing. :)

Kaz

I'll keep my H, because I think it is pretty. Ravenne made it. And I'm one of the guiltier hijackers, so I've earned my scarlet letter. :)

Wear it with pride. :thumbsup:

BOb

[QUOTE=kazbates;413310]Perhaps the original and subsequent posters didn't want to stifle the flow of words within the Lounge thread. I would much rather start a serious discussion in a thread designed for that rather than try to censor the posts of others in a forum thread that was more free flowing. :)


And thats not "exclusion"

"Please don't bother us........we're having a serious discussion here!"

And thats not "exclusion"

"Please don't bother us........we're having a serious discussion here!"

Nope it's more of.... come on and join us if you want to talk about this topic... we'd love to have you.

BOb

Nope it's more of.... come on and join us if you want to talk about this topic... we'd love to have you.

BOb

Would you expect to see many smilies peppering the posts?

Nope it's more of.... come on and join us if you want to talk about this topic... we'd love to have you.

BOb

Exactly! Thanks, Bob.

And as I've learned that there is more flowing underneath this topic than I had originally been aware of, this is my final post on the subject. :o

Kaz

Perhaps the original and subsequent posters didn't want to stifle the flow of words within the Lounge thread. I would much rather start a serious discussion in a thread designed for that rather than try to censor the posts of others in a forum thread that was more free flowing. :)

Kaz

I have to agree with Kazbates, and assuming the Lounge was the only forum, which one of you has onions big enough to tell tell DesertGrandma to keep it on topic?

Desertgrandma, silliness is not appropriate in this discusussion nor is inane blather, so please keep on topic.

Thankyou, WDE.

The "H"'s are causing divisiveness and hard feelings?

How about insisting on a separate place to "discuss serious things without having to wade thru silliness", when a simple request to "keep it on topic" might do the same thing? "
Had anyone even thought about doing that?

You see, this is why I voted for the separate place. Not to avoid any silliness or threadjacking that might go on; but to easily be able to avoid an area where these things are not appreciated if I'm not in the right mood for ultra-seriousness. Tags really don't help me in that respect, as I just ignore them. Neko's and DGma's suggestion of leaving things as they are and respecting any request from the OP to get back on topic would be ideal from my pov, but I'm getting the feeling that it wouldn't be enough for some.

For those who would like to get involved in some of the more silly side of the lounge, but feel a bit intimidated or think it's a bit cliquey I have this to say:

Jump in.

It may take a short while to get a feel for things, but that's true of any area of any forum.

It may also take a short while to feel comfortable there, but again, that's true of just about any group situation - on fora or IRL.

I'm writing this from the perspective of having once been that person. Yes, there is a lot of shared history, but if you're not sure what some-one's talking about - ask. You won't be belittled or made fun of. You may be pointed at enough threads and posts to keep you reading til the following morning. What I can't guarantee, of course, is that you'll get on with everyone - we are (even the mods ;) ) all human, and some of us may have personalities or views that conflict with yours too much. But again, that's true of every situation where you come into contact with people - some you like, some you don't, some you're indifferent about.

The red 'H' did take me a little aback when I noticed it - it was suddenly all over the place and it felt like a campaign. The red H's made me feel that some people are really upset and angry about this.

I honestly don't understand it; it's not as if anyone wanted to get rid of the lounge or change it. What I got from the other thread, was some people wanted a place where the general tone were more focused on serious discussions than generally for the Lounge. For whatever reason people may have, not everyone is happy with that level of social banter, and I think that is okay. I don't understand why people should feel resentful (that is the feeling I get from the recent discussion). Seriousy, honestly, I'm feeling bewildered why it should be a problem?

Perhaps the original and subsequent posters didn't want to stifle the flow of words within the Lounge thread. I would much rather start a serious discussion in a thread designed for that rather than try to censor the posts of others in a forum thread that was more free flowing. :)


And thats not "exclusion"

"Please don't bother us........we're having a serious discussion here!"
Why should it be? You'd be more than welcome to join in, if you like :) The new section should just be a place with a different tone than the Lounge - not better, not worse. Just different.

BTW. I think Conservatory could be a good name. I don't have any better suggestions ;)

I honestly don't understand it; it's not as if anyone wanted to get rid of the lounge or change it. What I got from the other thread, was some people wanted a place where the general tone were more focused on serious discussions than generally for the Lounge. For whatever reason people may have, not everyone is happy with that level of social banter, and I think that is okay. I don't understand why people should feel resentful (that is the feeling I get from the recent discussion). Seriousy, honestly, I'm feeling bewildered why it should be a problem?


Precisely - very well put. Nobody is going to do ANYTHING to the Lounge; it will continue precisely as it is. Nobody is being excluded; indeed, the purpose of this is entirely the opposiite, and the results of this poll (4:1 in favour of a new forum) show that there is a large majority in favour of such a thing.

Precisely - very well put. Nobody is going to do ANYTHING to the Lounge; it will continue precisely as it is. Nobody is being excluded; indeed, the purpose of this is entirely the opposite.
Except possibly exclude it from their new posts listing.

WDE.

I have to agree with Kazbates, and assuming the Lounge was the only forum, which one of you has onions big enough to tell tell DesertGrandma to keep it on topic?

Umm, singling out DGma seems a little uncalled for?

If a thread I started was going off topic - and it bothered me that it was - then I would have no qualms about asking politely for it to be kept on topic, irregardless of who had sent it off topic. Why on earth would it be a problem? I've seen enough of the people here to suspect that most would respond to a polite request.

(I think that's the key, btw - asking politely; rather than demanding curtly as I've seen once or twice.)

I don't understand why people should feel resentful (that is the feeling I get from the recent discussion). Seriousy, honestly, I'm feeling bewildered why it should be a problem?

Personally, I thought it was a shame that the idea for a new forum was based on such explicit rejection, and criticism, of the Lounge. It seemed a rather negative way to set about it.

I'd have preferred to focus on what a new forum could add to what we already have, rather than belabour the perceived shortcomings of what others are currently contributing to.

But we are where we are, and I don't see any reason why we can't make the arrangement work. :)

Umm, singling out DGma seems a little uncalled for?
You're absolutely right! And my previous post here should have been more general in asking all participants to please keep on topic and avoid the chit-chat. Sorry DGma, I shouldn't have phrased it that way.

And I'm sorry if I've made any comments that are off topic to this discussion.

WDE.

Except possibly exclude it from their new posts listing.

WDE.
I didn't know this was possible - and I'm definitely not interested in the possibility of doing it - but I don't understand why it should be a problem, since, I assume, the hypothetical people who'd do this would probably not be interested in the Lounge anyway? :blink:

You're absolutely right! And my previous post here should have been more general in asking all participants to please keep on topic and avoid the chit-chat. Sorry DGma, I shouldn't have phrased it that way.

And I'm sorry if I've made any comments that are off topic to this discussion.

WDE.

Oh bah - you're deliberately taking me out of context :p

If a thread I started was going off topic - and it bothered me that it was - then I would have no qualms about asking politely for it to be kept on topic, irregardless of who had sent it off topic. Why on earth would it be a problem? I've seen enough of the people here to suspect that most would respond to a polite request.

(I think that's the key, btw - asking politely; rather than demanding curtly as I've seen once or twice.)

This is not possible since it assumed you continously read MobileRead. If you read once a day and then have 100 off topic posts then the you cannot split the thread to get it back on topic.

I didn't know this was possible - and I'm definitely not interested in the possibility of doing it - but I don't understand why it should be a problem, since, I assume, the hypothetical people who'd do this would probably not be interested in the Lounge anyway? :blink:

I am interested in reading and sometimes participating in threads in the lounge. But I want to read other threads first. And since I read by searching the only way I can prioritize is to exclude the lounge (which I unfortunately have done recently for user interface reasons). So for the search reason I voted for a separate forum. Maybe I should add a button only searching the lounge also.

I honestly don't understand it; it's not as if anyone wanted to get rid of the lounge or change it. What I got from the other thread, was some people wanted a place where the general tone were more focused on serious discussions than generally for the Lounge. For whatever reason people may have, not everyone is happy with that level of social banter, and I think that is okay. I don't understand why people should feel resentful (that is the feeling I get from the recent discussion). Seriousy, honestly, I'm feeling bewildered why it should be a problem?


Why should it be? You'd be more than welcome to join in, if you like :) The new section should just be a place with a different tone than the Lounge - not better, not worse. Just different

My sentiments exactly...

This discussion is heading in a direction that Alex was fearful might happen and that is "Us vs Them" in trying to make a decision. After a lot of discussion amongst the moderators, we decided to have this poll and get the feel of the members.

1) It is not us vs them, it is us and how we can be sensitive to all members and their desires.

2) It is not silly versus serious, it is about having places that we can do things in the forum that we like to do and having a convenient way to sort them all out.

3) There isn't going to be any moderation of threads to make sure they are either silly or serious. That's up to the members to police for themselves. The moderators are going to be watchful of disrespect and flaming that is out of hand and will step in only in extremely severe and blatant cricumstances. Like they always have.

Please try to keep in mind that this is about opening up possibilities and expanding opportunities, rather than being about anger.

This discussion is heading in a direction that Alex was fearful might happen and that is "Us vs Them" in trying to make a decision. After a lot of discussion amongst the moderators, we decided to have this poll and get the feel of the members.

1) It is not us vs them, it is us and how we can be sensitive to all members and their desires.

2) It is not silly versus serious, it is about having places that we can do things in the forum that we like to do and having a convenient way to sort them all out.

3) There isn't going to be any moderation of threads to make sure they are either silly or serious. That's up to the members to police for themselves. The moderators are going to be watchful of disrespect and flaming that is out of hand and will step in only in extremely severe and blatant cricumstances. Like they always have.

Please try to keep in mind that this is about opening up possibilities and expanding opportunities, rather than being about anger.



Beautifully said, pshrynk. :)

Thank you.


Don

I thought the Big Red H was for Hunk? Damn, lied to again :)

Umm, singling out DGma seems a little uncalled for?

If a thread I started was going off topic - and it bothered me that it was - then I would have no qualms about asking politely for it to be kept on topic, irregardless of who had sent it off topic. Why on earth would it be a problem? I've seen enough of the people here to suspect that most would respond to a polite request.

(I think that's the key, btw - asking politely; rather than demanding curtly as I've seen once or twice.)

No offense intended. I'm just saying I wouldn't mess with DG.

No offense intended. I'm just saying I wouldn't mess with DG.

I leave for a few hours and look what happens.


What the heck have I ever done to make people think I'm going to hit them with a stick??? Oh. Wait. Never mind.

Let me repeat for the umpteenth time. If I should ever hijack a thread, and someone really wanted to keep it on track, all it takes is a single request. I have broad shoulders and can take a simple smack on the hand.

I"m sure that would go for everyone on this board, except for trolls, and those can be dealt with by a mod.

Okay, have your serious discussions, describe the threads however you want. The decision has been made, and all thats left is the implementation.

Now, I can't wait to see some of these topics.

This is not possible since it assumed you continously read MobileRead. If you read once a day and then have 100 off topic posts then the you cannot split the thread to get it back on topic.

Sure it is. If a topic isn't allowed to get off topic to begin with........that is, the first time someone posted 'off topic' and it was asked that people stay "on topic" the topic would stay "on topic" thruout.......(honest, that made sense in my head)

This is not possible since it assumed you continously read MobileRead. If you read once a day and then have 100 off topic posts then the you cannot split the thread to get it back on topic.

I could still ask for it to go back on topic. It might be harder for that to be achieved, admittedly, but one could still ask :)

You're absolutely right! And my previous post here should have been more general in asking all participants to please keep on topic and avoid the chit-chat. Sorry DGma, I shouldn't have phrased it that way.

And I'm sorry if I've made any comments that are off topic to this discussion.

WDE.

There are no need for any apologies. No offense was taken. Big Hug to you!

Umm, singling out DGma seems a little uncalled for?

If a thread I started was going off topic - and it bothered me that it was - then I would have no qualms about asking politely for it to be kept on topic, irregardless of who had sent it off topic. Why on earth would it be a problem? I've seen enough of the people here to suspect that most would respond to a polite request.

(I think that's the key, btw - asking politely; rather than demanding curtly as I've seen once or twice.)

Thank you, shorty, for defending me. I know WDE didn't mean it personally, and yes, I can't figure out why the 'request' mode isn't being seriously considered.

However, the deed is done, as they say, and we all need to move on and not waste any more time arguing. Lets just look forward to some of these conversations that are sure to evolve.......:)

I'd like to offer that I like the idea of Option #1. Adding a forum for somewhat more serious stuff seems like a very useful notion.

However, the deed is done, as they say, and we all need to move on and not waste any more time arguing.

I couldn't agree more. :thumbsup:

The poll has ended. Of those who voted, almost 75% were in favor of adding a new forum while leaving the lounge intact as it is.

We will work on adding the new forum today.

Thanks again everyone for participating in the poll. Your feedback is what matters most to us! :thanks:

Thank you, shorty, for defending me. I know WDE didn't mean it personally, and yes, I can't figure out why the 'request' mode isn't being seriously considered.

However, the deed is done, as they say, and we all need to move on and not waste any more time arguing. Lets just look forward to some of these conversations that are sure to evolve.......:)
And, DG, I do appreciate your contributions to this forum (silly or not).

My sentiments exactly...

Normally I would do as I usually do; sign in, read the posts etc., maybe leave a comment or whatever and then log off. Also, get help if I had a problem.

I voted for No.1 for my own reasons (as did others), and I must admit that I feel some sadness as to how it has degenerated into a schoolyard squabble with the usual players.

I didn't realise that there was a 'pecking' order at MR. The tenor of some of posts can only be described as 'mild bullying' which surely is not the aim of MR? Animal Farm comes to mind.

I sincerely hope that this can be sorted out as soon as possible.:o

Thank you, shorty, for defending me. I know WDE didn't mean it personally, and yes, I can't figure out why the 'request' mode isn't being seriously considered.

However, the deed is done, as they say, and we all need to move on and not waste any more time arguing. Lets just look forward to some of these conversations that are sure to evolve.......:)


Absolutely! Like you, I can't wait to see what topics are generated for on-topic discussions! :)


Don

Normally I would do as I usually do; sign in, read the posts etc., maybe leave a comment or whatever and then log off. Also, get help if I had a problem.

I voted for No.1 for my own reasons (as did others), and I must admit that I feel some sadness as to how it has degenerated into a schoolyard squabble with the usual players.

I didn't realise that there was a 'pecking' order at MR. The tenor of some of posts can only be described as 'mild bullying' which surely is not the aim of MR? Animal Farm comes to mind.

I sincerely hope that this can be sorted out as soon as possible.:o



Most of us are indeed moving on. Of course, there will occasionally be the snide remark, or an implied subtext. However, I feel those doing so will soon feel ostracized from the "healthy" environment inherent in most of MobileRead's personality - and those kinds of posts will become (I feel) less and less, and finally less and less appreciated by the majority of the community here.

The Lounge will not change one bit, unless the participants in the Lounge decide to make a change via their posts. The Lounge is a place where many people are very, very happy. I encourage you to go there, visit, and post if you have an inclination. I encourage you to post in ANY forum of your choice. :)

Right now, as mentioned, the new Forum is in the process of being implemented, a name created, and a tag line describing it - one which in no way will demean the Lounge which remains intact, undisturbed, and robust as usual.


Don

Absolutely! Like you, I can't wait to see what topics are generated for on-topic discussions! :)

Has the new forum been named? :)

Has the new forum been named? :)


To my knowledge, no. However, the Forum is scheduled to come up sometime today.

Contributions for names have been made, but which one (if any of those) is decided upon, I don't know.

Please offer suggestions if you have some. :)


Don

I suggest "The Forum."

I suggest "The Forum."


Or perhaps just "Forum."


Don

I could still ask for it to go back on topic. It might be harder for that to be achieved, admittedly, but one could still ask :)

Please explain how 10 posts on topic and 100 posts off topic can get on topic so new readers can read the thread from the beginning without splitting the thread (which moderators do not do in this forum).

We've been known to split threads at the request of members.

We've been known to split threads at the request of members.

That's the split infinitive clause, isn't it? :offtopic: Sorry

I'm gonna leave now before you split my infinitive.

For those that didn't notice, "The Conservatory" is now open for your posting pleasure.

http://www.mobileread.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=195

Thanks for all your votes and comments.

BOb

For those that didn't notice, "The Conservatory" is now open for your posting pleasure.

http://www.mobileread.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=195

Thanks for all your votes and comments.

BOb

Superb.
I am unsubscribing from Lounge and subsribing for The Conservatory.
:thanks:

Superb.
I am unsubscribing from Lounge and subsribing for The Conservatory.
:thanks:
New posts subscription is automatic for the conservatory. I intend to monitor both. :)

WDE.

New posts subscription is automatic for the conservatory. I intend to monitor both. :)

WDE.

Ditto. One doesn't exclude the other. ;)

I see the world has moved on whilst I've been otherwise occupied.

Conservatory .... Interesting choice of name ... I like it !!!

a school giving instruction in one or more of the fine or dramatic arts; specifically, a school of music or a place where chocolate can be eaten safely....

a greenhouse, usually attached to a dwelling, for growing and displaying plants, or roasting occupants in the summer months and freezing them in the winter ...

a place where things are preserved; let's hope we don't all become mummys .....

I see the world has moved on whilst I've been otherwise occupied.

Conservatory .... Interesting choice of name ... I like it !!!

a school giving instruction in one or more of the fine or dramatic arts; specifically, a school of music or a place where chocolate can be eaten safely....

Welcome back mate.

And it is the first meaning that springs to my mind each time I see the name.

I see the world has moved on whilst I've been otherwise occupied.

Conservatory .... Interesting choice of name ... I like it !!!

a school giving instruction in one or more of the fine or dramatic arts; specifically, a school of music or a place where chocolate can be eaten safely....

a greenhouse, usually attached to a dwelling, for growing and displaying plants, or roasting occupants in the summer months and freezing them in the winter ...

a place where things are preserved; let's hope we don't all become mummys .....

GeoffC, I'm sooooo glad to see you back. We've really missed you.

Yes, the Conservatory is the place where we can hang out and roast our favorite music amongst the green, growing displays whilst eating chocolate that's been freeze-dried in pshrynk's farking Spring. The place where we try to preserve the peace while we exchange dramatic and artful ideas and instruction with the rest of the mummies in school, without fear of frivolity.

Yep, you got the description right.