View Full Version : Links opening in the same tab and other issues.


BookCat
01-15-2009, 01:58 AM
I love MobileRead and have found the advice given here very useful, but I do have a few suggestions and comments.

The main one is that links open in the same tab/window (or whatever the techie term is) as the forum. This leads to being logged out, and to losing my way back. Sometimes I just want to take a look at what the poster is refering to, but I'm becoming reluctant to do so for these reasons.

For some odd reason I find that I've been logged out of the forum even though I haven't been anywhere or logged off. I don't think this is because one of my cats has sat upon my computer mouse - this happens! :angry:

The index of formatted ebooks is great, but would be even better if it was browsable, maybe by category or format. Perhaps reviews of the books themselves, by people who've read them - as on manybooks - could be added.

Thanks for the work which has gone into creating the forum and all the well-informed and helpful peeps on here.:hatsoff: (Was just logged out while previewing this and the cats were nowhere near the mouse!)

Alexander Turcic
01-15-2009, 03:52 AM
Hi BookCat,

For some odd reason I find that I've been logged out of the forum even though I haven't been anywhere or logged off.

To me this sounds to be Cookie-related. May I ask which browser you're using? Are you perhaps using some kind of browser/privacy extension preventing cookies from being stored on your computer? The way it works is that MobileRead keeps your login session stored in a cookie; when you log in (and click on "Remember Me?"), you shouldn't have to log in again even when leaving the site as long as the cookie can be stored on your computer.

The index of formatted ebooks is great, but would be even better if it was browsable, maybe by category or format.

If you go to the index (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/ebooks.php) you should be able to browse by format and/or category. Check out the screenshot I attached for you.

Cheers,
Alex

igorsk
01-15-2009, 07:39 AM
The main one is that links open in the same tab/window (or whatever the techie term is) as the forum. This leads to being logged out, and to losing my way back. Sometimes I just want to take a look at what the poster is refering to, but I'm becoming reluctant to do so for these reasons.

Just use shift-click or wheel-click to open external links.

Sweetpea
01-16-2009, 03:15 AM
Just use shift-click or wheel-click to open external links.

I do that too, but I often forget as other forums I frequent always open links in a new window/tab. But at least I'm not the only one that noticed this behaviour :)

Alexander Turcic
01-16-2009, 05:23 AM
I do that too, but I often forget as other forums I frequent always open links in a new window/tab. But at least I'm not the only one that noticed this behaviour :)

The default behavior would be to open a new window. However, it's been our experience that people prefer to decide for themselves when to open a new window and when not. I found this article quite interesting:

http://www.sitepoint.com/article/beware-opening-links-new-window/

JSWolf
01-16-2009, 06:40 AM
The default behavior would be to open a new window. However, it's been our experience that people prefer to decide for themselves when to open a new window and when not. I found this article quite interesting:

http://www.sitepoint.com/article/beware-opening-links-new-window/
IMHO that article is a load of rubbish. Most forums open links on a new tab/window and that's the expected behavior when using a forum.

zelda_pinwheel
01-16-2009, 06:52 AM
actually in webdesign it's "best practice" *not* to force a new window, for reasons of accessibility mainly. in fact the code "taget=blank" which opens a link in a new window has been deprecated by the W3C (Webstandards Consortium). forcing a new window is discouraged because (as they mention in the article that alex linked to) it makes browsing much more difficult (and sometimes impossible) in certain conditions. for instance, a visually impaired person who is browsing using a text synthesiser relies on navigating using keyboard shortcuts. as long as he stays in one window, he has a reasonable idea where he is and can use the back button when necessary. if you force a new window this person will be disoriented and lost. i have a blind friend who browses using this method and believe me he hates it when a site opens a new window without warning.

if you want a link to open in a new window, it's not hard to do it yourself : you can click the center wheel on your mouse to automatically open a link in a new tab in firefox (this is what i do), or use "right click --> open in new window", or CRTL + click... there are plenty of options. so MobileRead is following best practices by allowing you to decide whether you want a new window or not.

Jellby
01-16-2009, 06:53 AM
I keep explicitly middle-clicking (with Opera) when I want to open a link in a new window. It's usually possible (and easy) to open in a new window something that would normally open in the old one, the opposite is not true.

BookCat
01-17-2009, 02:16 AM
I wasn't aware of the other ways of opening links and will try clicking my scroll wheel and the other methods suggested. It is standard on other forums to open links in new windows: I did some link checking for CatChat; one of the things I had to watch for was that the link opened a new window, otherwise it failed the check.

My browser is Firefox. I don't have Cookies disabled. I'm permanently logged into youtube in the way you describe, Alex. I'll try not signing off this site and keeping the cookies so I don't have to log back in. But I do get mysterious signed out while on site. Odd.

BookCat
01-17-2009, 02:24 AM
I've just read the article. I also disagree with it. New window make navigation easier: once you've seen what's in the link, you just clost the window, or click back to the original window. It's much easier than digging through "history" to find the forum again.

Alexander Turcic
01-17-2009, 02:48 AM
BookCat, when you login to MR, did you check the "Remember Me?" button (next to where you enter your username and password)?

zelda_pinwheel
01-17-2009, 08:32 AM
I've just read the article. I also disagree with it. New window make navigation easier: once you've seen what's in the link, you just clost the window, or click back to the original window. It's much easier than digging through "history" to find the forum again.

opening a new window is easy to handle for people who have a minimum of experience with the internet, and have no disabilities. for a blind person using keyboard navigation and a text synthesiser, it's very difficult and confusing. it's important for websites to respect the accessibility standards so that everyone can have equal access to them. if you prefer to open a link in a new tab (as i do, also), it's very easy to do it yourself. i'm sure now you know how to do it, you will find it easy also.

Jellby
01-17-2009, 09:46 AM
i'm sure now you know how to do it, you will find it easy also.

And what's more important: you decide when to do it, and do not depend on what the designer of a site has considered as good for you...

Sweetpea
01-20-2009, 10:12 AM
if you want a link to open in a new window, it's not hard to do it yourself : you can click the center wheel on your mouse to automatically open a link in a new tab in firefox (this is what i do), or use "right click --> open in new window", or CRTL + click... there are plenty of options. so MobileRead is following best practices by allowing you to decide whether you want a new window or not.

Hmm, I only have one wheel on my mouse... Does that make it the center wheel automatically? Because clicking it won't open any link (in a new screen or the current one)...

zelda_pinwheel
01-20-2009, 10:16 AM
Hmm, I only have one wheel on my mouse... Does that make it the center wheel automatically? Because clicking it won't open any link (in a new screen or the current one)...

on my mouse, i have (in order) left button, (center) wheel, right button.

in IE7, Firefox, and google chrome (to name 3), a click on the wheel will automatically open the link in a new tab. you can also do that with right click > "open in new tab".

if you are using an older browser this may not work, but if you are using an older browser you should upgrade for MANY reasons and not just opening in new tab. i recommend upgrading to Firefox (http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/).

pilotbob
01-20-2009, 10:44 AM
if you are using an older browser this may not work, but if you are using an older browser you should upgrade for MANY reasons and not just opening in new tab. i recommend upgrading to Firefox (http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/).

She could have an older mouse too. The scroll wheels didn't originally have button functionality also.

@pea If you press the scroll wheel... does it click... feel like you are pushing a button? Turn over your mouse... does a little light shine in your eye or does it have a little rubber ball in the bottom?

BOb

zelda_pinwheel
01-20-2009, 10:46 AM
She could have an older mouse too. The scroll wheels didn't originally have button functionality also.

@pea If you press the scroll wheel... does it click... feel like you are pushing a button? Turn over your mouse... does a little light shine in your eye or does it have a little rubber ball in the bottom?

BOb

ah yes, good point, it could be the mouse. but in any case even if the wheel does not work, you can still use the right click method.

Jellby
01-20-2009, 10:55 AM
Or maybe something like ctrl + left click... it depends on the browser and system configuration.

zelda_pinwheel
01-20-2009, 10:57 AM
Or maybe something like ctrl + left click... it depends on the browser and system configuration.
right. or on an older mac you can use apple + click, i believe (correct me if i'm wrong, i haven't used on in a while).

Sweetpea
01-22-2009, 09:28 AM
She could have an older mouse too. The scroll wheels didn't originally have button functionality also.

@pea If you press the scroll wheel... does it click... feel like you are pushing a button? Turn over your mouse... does a little light shine in your eye or does it have a little rubber ball in the bottom?

BOb

It has that rubber ball and the scroll wheel is also a button! A ball doesn't imply it's not a modern mouse...

*cuddles her ancient logitech mouse*

I noticed it does work on FF3, but not on 2.

zelda_pinwheel
01-22-2009, 09:43 AM
It has that rubber ball and the scroll wheel is also a button! A ball doesn't imply it's not a modern mouse...

*cuddles her ancient logitech mouse*
:p
I noticed it does work on FF3, but not on 2.
ah, that's possible... i can't remember which version i was using when i started using center click to open in new tab.

Sweetpea
01-22-2009, 10:03 AM
I found it!

I installed the mouseware software, otherwise my thumb button isn't recognized and I use that for "minimize all" (aka boss button...). Default, that software uses the "standard scrollwheel functionality" for, well, the scroll wheel (makes sense, right?) I put that to "standard third button functionality" and now it works in FF2 too (I got FF3 installed on a virtual pc where I didn't install the mouseware).

zelda_pinwheel
01-22-2009, 10:04 AM
I found it!

I installed the mouseware software, otherwise my thumb button isn't recognized and I use that for "minimize all" (aka boss button...). Default, that software uses the "standard scrollwheel functionality" for, well, the scroll wheel (makes sense, right?) I put that to "standard third button functionality" and now it works in FF2 too (I got FF3 installed on a virtual pc where I didn't install the mouseware).

well, of course, if you start customising software left and right and setting preferences then you can't expect the normal default behaviour ! :p i'm glad you've got it all sorted now.

pilotbob
01-22-2009, 11:06 AM
It has that rubber ball and the scroll wheel is also a button! A ball doesn't imply it's not a modern mouse...


Um... it doesn't? Do they still make mice with mechanical balls?

BOb

Jellby
01-22-2009, 11:12 AM
Um... it doesn't? Do they still make mice with mechanical balls?

I have one... but the ball is on top of it, i.e., it is a trackball :D Well, it was bought ~5 years ago, and then I could only find one model, I don't know if they still make them.

Sweetpea
01-22-2009, 03:15 PM
Um... it doesn't? Do they still make mice with mechanical balls?

BOb

No, they probably don't make them anymore, but my mouse was ahead of its time! It has 4 mouse buttons when most didn't even have 3...