View Full Version : MobileRead Reorganization - Part I (ambiguous sections)


Alexander Turcic
05-22-2008, 06:28 PM
As part of our commitment to improving MobileRead, I'd like to invite everyone to help us overhaul our forum organization.

To begin with, we will focus on solving ambiguous sections.

Q: Is it just me or do you also find it sometimes difficult to pick the right section when you want to say something about e-books in general?

Okay, let's have a look at the following sections:

E-Books/News (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=78)
- originally to discuss news and trends related to e-books. Includes technology, publishing, and DRM news.


E-Books/Elsewhere on the Net (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=26)
- originally to share links and information to other websites related to e-books. Includes hot e-book deals and free e-book resources.


E-Book Devices/Future E-Book Devices (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=119)
- originally to discuss e-book readers that are not yet released but have received already plenty of news coverage.


Mobile Devices/General Talk (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=84)
- originally to discuss news and trends related to mobile devices in general. Includes topics on cell phones and mobile reading.


Miscellaneous/Lounge (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=8)
- originally to discuss anything fun not directly related to e-books.


Proposals:

I think E-Books/Elsewhere on the Net should be renamed into E-Books/Deals, Freebies, and Other Resources to clarify that this section is not meant for discussing news appearing on other sites.

I also think that E-Books/News and Mobile Devices/General Talk should be consolidated into a single section, named E-Books/News and Talk. Mobile Devices is a relict of the past when handhelds were still our main focus.

E-Book Devices/Future E-Book Devices should probably remain as it is as a catch-all category for new e-book readers that don't have their own forum section yet.

Miscellaneous/Lounge, of course, must remain because it's fun. I don't think it needs any changes.

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What do you think about my suggestions? Also, are there other section labels/organizations that you may find ambiguous at times?

Please post your opinion here because ultimately we'll make the decisions based on your feedback. ;)

Thanks!!!!!

Note: This is the first part of our forum reorganization. Let's focus on the topic. We will continue with other aspects of the forum once this part is resolved.

Elsi
05-22-2008, 06:34 PM
I like these suggestions. I will point out that when I'm *reading*, I tend to start with the New Posts pull-down and select "Last 24 Hours". I don't think I've started more than one or two threads -- rather, most of my posts are responses in an existing thread.

But, you've gotten me thinking, so I'm going to hop into this category to start a new thread on something I've been thinking about.

TadW
05-22-2008, 06:40 PM
Excellent thread. I agree with the your suggestions, Alexander.

Personally, I find the distinction between Content and Reading Software confusing. I know one deals with formatting e-books, the other with the functioning of software, but more than once one goes with the other.

Taylor514ce
05-22-2008, 07:40 PM
I think "Content" isn't clear. When I think "content" for my e-book (Device, Vera, whatever), I think "books". The section is more about creating/formating/converting content. There is the "Book Recommendations" section, which is fine - I'd like to see more reviews. So perhaps a "Book Review" section, or does that overlap too much?

Regarding the Lounge, you bet it's fun, but there are also quasi-serious discussions of poetry and language. Do we want to differentiate between the purely [U.S.] stuff vs. the "literate people find pens and notebooks and 5-line poems fascinating" threads, or do we all like the juxtaposition?

I have been admin, moderator, super moderator, sysop, and member of countless forums since the days when they were called Bulletin Boards. Your team of mods here are the most participatory and transparent of any I've ever seen. Well done.

kovidgoyal
05-22-2008, 08:07 PM
I'd like to propose a forum for content creation/conversion and management tools, so people have one place to come to ask questions about them.

zelda_pinwheel
05-22-2008, 08:10 PM
i'm glad the forum is being reorganised, the categories are definitely confusing sometimes. but i'll think about that tomorrow when my mind is a bit clearer. i just wanted to say in response to Taylor's post that i like the odd mix in the lounge of [U.S.] and notebook fetishism. it's all there for mental relaxation / distraction and friendly banter anyway, when you think about it, regardless of the dominating tone, so i don't see why we should separate it.

Donnageddon
05-22-2008, 09:47 PM
I like all your suggestions, Alexander.

Kovid, how do you envision the difference between a "content creation/conversion and management tools forum", and the current "General tips and tricks on formats, conversion tools" in the Content forum?

kovidgoyal
05-22-2008, 10:02 PM
Well it should be renamed to something like "E-book tools" and it should have a few sub fora for the prominent tools like calibre, bd, mobipocket creator etc

igorsk
05-22-2008, 10:19 PM
When I wanted to post about Words Gear, I could not find a proper forum for it. We have all the Reader/Kindle/Cybook/etc forums, "Future Devices" and "Legacy Devices", but nothing for current devices without a dedicated forum.

Donnageddon
05-22-2008, 10:58 PM
Well it should be renamed to something like "E-book tools" and it should have a few sub fora for the prominent tools like calibre, bd, mobipocket creator etc

Makes sense, Kovid. I can support that!

pilotbob
05-22-2008, 11:24 PM
I also think that E-Books/News and Mobile Devices/General Talk should be consolidated into a single section, named E-Books/News and Talk. Mobile Devices is a relict of the past when handhelds were still our main focus.

E-Book Devices/Future E-Book Devices should probably remain as it is as a catch-all category for new e-book readers that don't have their own forum section yet.


Your suggestions definately sound good. I would go one more step. I would merge future devices into "News and Talk"... after all isn't "news" many times about future devices?

I also would merge all the sub scections for each reader... For example, the Sony Reader section I don't think needs the content, developers, etc, etc sections. I would actually say one section for developers would be enough... the threads will seperate it further from there. ISn't there already a new developer section or something here?

BOb

JSWolf
05-22-2008, 11:49 PM
Also, we need a forum section for generic topics that can relate to more then one specific reader. Like the threads on lights, external power chargers and others.

Tblossom
05-23-2008, 01:17 AM
I for onelike this first proposal. I want to also suggest an inclusion in such a terse listing as you´ve just given of the explanation of each forums content also, to be repeated per forum.

Donnageddon
05-23-2008, 03:02 AM
... and a fresh fruit banquet in the morning.
.. with toast and a large variety of jams.

Gudy
05-23-2008, 03:36 AM
I'd like to propose a forum for content creation/conversion and management tools, so people have one place to come to ask questions about them.

Yes, please! I understand that there are good historical reasons why calibre and its conversion tools - or Book Designer for that matter - are found in the Sony PRS forum, but it irks me that tools of general usefulness are discussed in a device-specific section of the forum. Maybe the Content forum could be expanded/reorganized to cover that need, and sub-forums created for the most widely discussed tools?

Steven Lyle Jordan
05-23-2008, 09:12 AM
I like where this is going. A few suggestions:

E-Books/Deals, Freebies, and Other Resources can probably be reduced to E-Books/Extras and Resources

I like the idea of a general category for current gear without a specific category (like PCs and laptops, iPods, etc)... perhaps E-books/General Hardware. This goes well with Kovid's idea of a SW category for conversions, and Jon's generic gear sections.

I'm all for Taylor's Book Reviews section... or at least a section that points us to existing reviews sites, with notes related to review and site quality.

Alexander Turcic
05-23-2008, 09:19 AM
Wow, you guys are great and well a step ahead!

In the next part (part II), I was going to suggest adding a new parent section ("E-Book Tools"). It seems we'd all agree on the necessity to have independent subforums for popular e-book tools. :thumbsup:

Also on the list for the next discussion (part III), it was already suggested to include some new sections, like a book review corner, and a place for e-readers that don't have a dedicated forum.

Bob suggested redoing parts of the dedicated e-reader sections (like merging developer forums). Discussion of this step I'd like to postpone until part IV of the reorganization, because we have also some other related proposals for the e-readers forums.

So before we go there, let's recap on what has been suggested so far to deal with ambiguous and perhaps superfluous sections:

1)
E-Books
|-News

becomes

E-Books
|-News and Talk

2)
Mobile Devices
|-General Talk

will be consolidated with E-Books News and Talk and the parent category, Mobile Devices, will be removed.

3)
E-Books
|-Elsewhere on the Net

becomes

E-Books
|-Deals, Freebies, and Other Resources (the title may be a bit long, I dunno)

4)
E-Book Devices
|-Future E-Book Devices

will be consolidated with E-Books News and Talk.

Do you agree with all points 1-4? Do you think there is anything we're forgetting related to ambiguous forums? As Tad and Taylor suggested, there is some ambiguity with E-Books->Content and E-Books->Reading Software, and I'm not exactly sure how we could solve this.

:thanks:

zelda_pinwheel
05-23-2008, 09:27 AM
these seem to be good suggestions to me as well, and i am happy to see the ambiguity resolved. Content is possibly category that is the least intuitive to me (and i see i am not alone). perhaps we could rename it to something like "format info and conversion" ; it's good to have a forum about that but it's not clear that that is the one.

also, i've noticed that format questions tend to appear also in the specific device forums ; i know i have posted some questions to the eb1150, which would probably have been more appropriate in the "content" forum, because it seemed more pertinent (confusion...). perhaps we could add categories (like the genre ones) for specific format / devices to that forum.

daffy4u
05-23-2008, 09:38 AM
I like where this is going. A few suggestions:

E-Books/Deals, Freebies, and Other Resources can probably be reduced to E-Books/Extras and Resources



I'm new here and won't have a lot of input in this thread because I'm still exploring the site. I just wanted to chime in that I would prefer the longer name because I would be clueless as to what "extras" meant. The longer name tells me exactly what I'm getting.

pilotbob
05-23-2008, 09:46 AM
Also on the list for the next discussion (part III), it was already suggested to include some new sections, like a book review corner, and a place for e-readers that don't have a dedicated forum.


Might I sugges that the "Book Recomendations" perhaps be renamed to Book Recos and Review rather than adding a review section. This one area should be good enough for both.


Do you agree with all points 1-4? Do you think there is anything we're forgetting related to ambiguous forums?


Yes, I like it so far. I assume the current threads would just be moved and nothing would be lost. Would message links change?

BOb

Alexander Turcic
05-23-2008, 09:54 AM
Yes, I like it so far. I assume the current threads would just be moved and nothing would be lost.

Exactly. All threads will be intact and links will remain the same.

pilotbob
05-23-2008, 09:57 AM
Exactly. All threads will be intact and links will remain the same.

Excellent Alex. You do a great service to us running this site. I think you should add a paypal "Donate Now" button to the links at the top of each page... and provide a paypal subscription option. This site is well worth it to me.

BOb

zelda_pinwheel
05-23-2008, 09:58 AM
yes, pilotbob is right, you really do an amazing job here. this is the only forum i frequent so assiduously, thank you for creating it. bravo. and karma to you.

Alexander Turcic
05-23-2008, 10:00 AM
Just visit and you make my day ;)

zelda_pinwheel
05-23-2008, 10:01 AM
we love you, Alex !

pilotbob
05-23-2008, 10:01 AM
assiduously

Ok, I admit it, I had to look that word up. I had an idea but you don't see it used in coversation every day, espesially on a forum.

BOb

zelda_pinwheel
05-23-2008, 10:03 AM
Vocabulary Girl ! secret mission : to bring poly-syllabic words to the masses. :wink:
("look ! up in the sky ! it's a bird ! it's a plane ! no, it's...")

MaggieScratch
05-23-2008, 10:44 AM
I'm new here and won't have a lot of input in this thread because I'm still exploring the site. I just wanted to chime in that I would prefer the longer name because I would be clueless as to what "extras" meant. The longer name tells me exactly what I'm getting.

I'm not that new to the forum and I agree! :) If part of the reason for the reorganization is to remove ambiguity, I think the longer title (or one that imparts the same information) is better.

This is a great idea and will improve the forum. Things are exciting right now in the ebook world and it's great to see MobileRead keeping up. I have a saying: websites are like sharks; they must move forward or die. Keep up the good work! :thanks:

HarryT
05-23-2008, 12:12 PM
Ok, I admit it, I had to look that word up. I had an idea but you don't see it used in coversation every day, espesially on a forum.

BOb

Now if you only had a reader with a built-in dictionary...

:D

pilotbob
05-23-2008, 12:18 PM
Now if you only had a reader with a built-in dictionary...

:smack::offtopic:

I should have my Kindle very soon. I need to add a dictionary (spell check and lookup) add-in's to my browser. However, I hear Mac's have this built into the OS.

BOb

DaleDe
05-23-2008, 02:39 PM
I find Mobile Devices a useful category to discuss PDA's, tablets and other devices that are not dedicated readers. I think we still need that one. I may be a minority but I like news being news. When the polls were started in the news section I came very close to moving them because they are not news. I still think they were in the wrong section. News, IMHO is the place to discuss the things that appear on the Home page.

Dale

Donnageddon
05-23-2008, 02:47 PM
:smack::offtopic:

I should have my Kindle very soon. I need to add a dictionary (spell check and lookup) add-in's to my browser. However, I hear Mac's have this built into the OS.

BOb Firefox will spell check for ya.

pilotbob
05-23-2008, 03:35 PM
Firefox will spell check for ya.

Yea, there's an IE add-on too. I just haven't installed it.

TadW
05-23-2008, 03:42 PM
I find Mobile Devices a useful category to discuss PDA's, tablets and other devices that are not dedicated readers. I think we still need that one.

There is E-Book Devices - Other Portable Devices.

I may be a minority but I like news being news.

The distinction is blurry in many cases. You may post something about DRM that is news and commentary at the same time.

RWood
05-23-2008, 04:57 PM
Technically, most of the E-Book devices are Mobile Devices so if we keep that title for the section we could have:

Mobile Devices
|- E-Book News & Talk
|- E-Book Deals, Freebies, & Other Resources
|- Other Mobile Devices

If the drop off in postings continues in that section then it can be merged into E-Book News & Talk.

Alexander Turcic
05-23-2008, 05:43 PM
Hmmm. I think you guys are mixing hardware-related with non-necessarily-hardware-related. I don't see how we could rename "E-Books" into "Mobile Devices". ;)

RWood
05-23-2008, 08:59 PM
Scratch what I said.

nekokami
05-23-2008, 10:41 PM
Good plan. I especially like renaming "News" to "News and Talk" because I think that's what's happening in that section anyway. Could be "News and Commentary," I suppose.

CommanderROR
05-24-2008, 05:26 AM
I agree with just about everything, but I also think we need to keep the "mobile devices" section to talk about hardware (like mobile phones, PMPs and similar) that is not primarily for reading purposes...

Alexander Turcic
05-24-2008, 05:36 AM
Dale, Roland, I think it got overlooked, but last week we moved the mobile device section (which was part of the parent "Mobile Devices") to E-Book Devices -> Other Portable Devices. I think this is what you were referring to.

The parent "Mobile Devices", which will removed, also contained such sections as the mobile links collection, the Sunrise support forum, etc. These forums we've currently hidden as they're going to be moved to the "Forum Archive" (they are no longer being supported or main part of MobileRead).

jobin007007
05-24-2008, 04:49 PM
Revised--

Can we have a section for "EBOOK READER REVIEWS" that has REVIEWS, REVIEWS,REVIEWS,REVIEWS of Ebook readers AND NOTHING ELSE.

In the subsection of this "Ebook Reader Reviews", there would be different sections for each ebook device.

It would be nice if there was a way people could enter the time they had the device for ++ the software, hardware version of the device.

There should be a section for PR0'S versus CON'S review for each device.

People should be warned to keep the review brief and number the sections.

THIS WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SO MANY PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!

Taylor514ce
05-24-2008, 04:57 PM
Please disambiguate the term "EBOOK". jobin007007. Are you referring to the books, or the devices used to display the books? In either case, I think Alexander has both covered in his reorganization plans.

jobin007007
05-25-2008, 01:11 AM
Did the owner remove the Future Ebook devices section and merge it with news?

That isnt right coz...there is a lot of stuff other than news that we get that we can discuss about Future ebook devices?????????????

Please put it back. :eek::(:angry:

NatCh
05-25-2008, 01:25 AM
Yup, the Future E-Book Devices has been merged with several other things into "E-Books News and Talk (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?p=188186#post188186)" (or will be, when the re-org is complete)-- there is a logic to it: future devices would come to us as news first of all, and once the devices actually become real products (and develop some following) they'll be moved into a discrete category of their own.

I think that this actually makes a lot of sense -- the old way made it difficult to figure out where to put things sometimes, and this set of categories should be less ambiguous. :shrug:

Obviously there are an infinite number of organizational approaches that make sense, so the challenge is picking one that makes sense to the most people.

Besides which, if it does turn out that this approach doesn't work well, then it could be adjusted.

Alexander Turcic
05-25-2008, 05:10 AM
Can we have a section for "EBOOK READER REVIEWS" that has REVIEWS, REVIEWS,REVIEWS,REVIEWS of Ebook readers AND NOTHING ELSE.

I like the idea. Let's keep it in mind when we come to the part of the reorganization where we'll discuss new sections.

That isnt right coz...there is a lot of stuff other than news that we get that we can discuss about Future ebook devices?

Because most of the news content related to upcoming e-book devices got cross-posted in those two sections, we decided to consolidate them. To provide some structure to the consolidated news section, we'll add optional thread prefixes which we will discuss together in a later part of the reorganization.

DaleDe
05-26-2008, 01:09 PM
Revised--

Can we have a section for "EBOOK READER REVIEWS" that has REVIEWS, REVIEWS,REVIEWS,REVIEWS of Ebook readers AND NOTHING ELSE.

In the subsection of this "Ebook Reader Reviews", there would be different sections for each ebook device.

It would be nice if there was a way people could enter the time they had the device for ++ the software, hardware version of the device.

There should be a section for PR0'S versus CON'S review for each device.

People should be warned to keep the review brief and number the sections.

THIS WOULD BE HELPFUL TO SO MANY PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!

These are in the wiki. That way they don't get stale and fall of the bottom of the list. Now if there is a need to discuss it then the forum is the right place.

Dale