View Full Version : In defence of PPC/PDA/Nokia tablet: ebook readers


hidari
03-06-2008, 09:41 AM
I will make this short and to the point. The site is dominated by the Sonyreaders, Kindlebleeders, Cybookers and Fictionwisecrookeds... However.. a few of us are quite happy with your PPC/PDA tablets. I find it funny that most people when they convert to a "proper" ereader that they then scathe the previous device that they were reading on....often that is the lowely PPC/PDA variant. I DO agree that eink is a better way to read a book; However, many complain that the PPC is too small to read on while an "Sonyreader" type is much better to read on because the screen is bigger!??. I find this logic a bit strange. I for one only read one line at a time. I do not read a whole screen of text in a nanosecond, even when I am speed reading through a book or a part of a book that is less interesting. I find the SMALLNESS one of the best reasons to have a PDA instead of an EREADER. The screen size is big enough on my PPC...3.7 inches diagonally. I have mobipocket on my Acer which makes it quite easy to adjust the color and size of the background and text as well as the size of the text.

I was wondering; Are there other PDA/PPC/Tablet readers who are quite happy with a smaller screen? I have two photos attached of my Acer N311 that I use to read everyday on the subway in Sapporo, Japan. Prior to that She was read everyday on the Moscow metro. The Acer lasts about 9 or ten hours for me with one battery charge. I charge it every day or two depending on how much reading I have done. I would like to hear other stories of PDA reading on this site if you have any to share.

PS. I did have ubook on my PPC but it did not work well so I have remained iwth mobipocket finding it the best ereader software for my Acer n311.

hidari

hidari
03-06-2008, 09:46 AM
PPS. My acer n311 weighs 135grams. THE SMALLNESS is great for me. I can put it in the pocket of my trousers if I wish. As i stated before, when a company releases a small eink reader I will be more than happy to buy it and give a review on it for the site.... That is unless it has too many DRM restrictions. I am waiting for the Erikson/Seiko ereader to come out....IF it ever does... or a simiiar one..

tompe
03-06-2008, 09:58 AM
The number of words per line in the pictures are for me to few. It would slow down the reading a lot to have so few words since it is the process of starting a new line that takes most of the time when reading plus that I am not used to read with only one fixation point so maybe I would use at least two on these kind of lines.

But on my N810 I got reasonable line length. And I have read books on my Palm T5. The main disadvantage for me was the ergonomics. It was very hard to find a convenient reading position and you had to turn page so often that my hand hurt some time after I read the first Honor Harrington-book one night on my T5.

Laine
03-06-2008, 10:33 AM
I totally agree with the original post. I just bought (today) a new iPAQ 212 and it's brilliant for reading ebooks.
It's COLOUR, ha,ha.
It's easy to carry on the train.
I can have a break and play sudoku.
And as for short lines being a problem, on the contrary, I find a small screen much easier with my small lens multifocals. It's easier to just scan down instead of down, left, right, down etc.

Laine, Cabramatta, Australia

wallcraft
03-06-2008, 10:55 AM
The Nokia tablets (770, N8X0) are usually in landscape mode, and they then have almost exactly the same screen width as the 6" E-Ink devices in portrait mode. They are half as high though, so the line length is the same but twice as many page flips are required. Since the page flips are very fast, this isn't a big deal. Battery life isn't quite enough, but I was happy with my 770 as an e-book reader. E-Ink is better for most e-books, but the 770 really shines on SiFi Magazines with color illustrations. However, in this case the screen height is a limitation (in part because FBReader does not autoscale images).

I am still interested in a larger (than the 770) form factor tablet. Intel just announced that Centrino Atom devices must have 6" or less screens but there is no minimum battery life, see UMPC Portal's report (http://www.umpcportal.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1307). I am really looking for something with a ~6" screen and a 5-6 hour battery life, but my guess is that a 2-3 hour battery is more likely.

volwrath
03-06-2008, 11:21 AM
Ya know its really whatever works for you. Personally, I read concurrently on my Sony reader as well as my HTC touch and uBook. The nice thing about my touch is that it is always with me, so I can always pull up a book, but the sony reader is better mainly for eyestrain. If you read for long periods of time, thats when the sony reader's benefits become apparant.

igorsk
03-06-2008, 11:33 AM
You can play Sudoku on Sony too :)

hidari
03-06-2008, 11:43 AM
Lanscape mode is possible on my PPC and it does make the sentences longer. BUT, for flipping pages as you can see on the first photo that I have on the original post, having it in vertical mode is much more convenient and allows me to use the device with one hand and flip the pages with my thumb.

NB cheers for putting comments on the thread. At least I know there are other PPC/PDA/Tablet readers at MR. :thanks:


The number of words per line in the pictures are for me to few. It would slow down the reading a lot to have so few words since it is the process of starting a new line that takes most of the time when reading plus that I am not used to read with only one fixation point so maybe I would use at least two on these kind of lines.

But on my N810 I got reasonable line length. And I have read books on my Palm T5. The main disadvantage for me was the ergonomics. It was very hard to find a convenient reading position and you had to turn page so often that my hand hurt some time after I read the first Honor Harrington-book one night on my T5.

hidari
03-06-2008, 11:45 AM
I find reading on my PPC no different to reading the column on a newspaper: A real newspaper not one online. The width is about the same as my PPC in vertical position.

tompe
03-06-2008, 12:09 PM
I find reading on my PPC no different to reading the column on a newspaper: A real newspaper not one online. The width is about the same as my PPC in vertical position.

A lot of newspaper has a line length that is too short. Some old rule of thumbs is that a line should have 55-60 characters or 9-10 words for optimal readability. But I have also seen claims that the empirical support for these rule of thumbs are weak.

leandroide
03-06-2008, 12:30 PM
I agree completely with Hidari. I think that in this forum many people got the e-ink fever. I don't know... perhaps if I see an e-ink device I get the fever too.

I thought about buying a e-ink device, but recently I changed my mind. I have now a Dell Axim X51V and my wife has an Acer N311 (they have the same screen) and we both use mobipocket for reading. And we will have the PDAs until they break apart...

If some of the PDAs break I think that I would buy a Nokia Tablet or a HP Ipaq 200.

By the way, Laine... how good is the HP as an e-book reader (screen quality, contrast, etc.)

L.

NatCh
03-06-2008, 01:06 PM
I've said it several times before (though not recently, so now is probably a good time to repeat it): if you have something that works for you, and you don't see any benefit in changing to something else, then, by all means, stick with what you got! :yes:

Just 'cause there's something new out there doesn't mean that all the "old" things have to be abandoned. Sometimes the old ways are best. Certainly they're going to be better in specific circumstances.

Someday, I expect we'll look back upon these lowly readers that are the current "leading edge" and shake our heads that anyone could ever use something so primitive (rather like we do now with say, TRS80s), but I can tell you that my PRS500 fits about 90~95% of my own needs, so I'll be a long time upgrading, unless something big happens like I trash it, or something comes along that hits all of that last 5~10%.

If your needs are filled by something even easier and less expensive to get hold of, then I join you in being happy that you've got what works for you. More power to you. :yahoo:

bwaldron
03-06-2008, 07:07 PM
I was wondering; Are there other PDA/PPC/Tablet readers who are quite happy with a smaller screen?

Yes. I use my Clie TH55 daily for ebook reading, and have done so for years. Screen is large enough for me, battery life is great, and I actually like a small amount of backlighting for the conditions I normally read in. Have happily read hundreds of books on it.

My main PDA (Treo 700p) is a slightly different story -- the screen is too small for me to use it for long book reading sessions -- but it is plenty good enough for short periods of reading when I am out and about.

I'm looking at Kindle/Sony/Cybook, but am not convinced that they're better enough -- for me -- at the current price point. So I watch, learn, and wait...

Jack B Nimble
03-06-2008, 07:30 PM
@NatCh,

I couldn't agree more. If I had my way, I'd still be using my old HandEra 330 -- greyscale screen with the old green-ish backlight that was very easy on the eyes, didn't even need the backlight in daylight or most other lighting conditions, fast recharges that lasted a very long time, even a virtual graffitti area for lots of screen. Most importantly, compared to the ergonomics of these last remaining Palm devices, it had a thumb wheel, which was great for reading long texts. Sadly, the damn thing was dropped and run over... Don't ask, my teeth still grind just thinking about it.

As for the latest and greatest, a family member thought they were doing me a huge favor by buying me a Sony Reader for xmas, but I find I am actually reading less now than I used to on my eBookwise. I was just contemplating switching back, but I am going to visit said family member this weekend, so now may not be the best time. :rolleyes:

Still, as you said, I would gladly still be using the HandEra, given a choice. There were a few others that weren't bad, a Sony SJ-22 and my Tapwave both come to mind, but neither was quite as good, and if memory serves, the HandEra was fairly cheap, too.

Jack

hidari
03-06-2008, 08:44 PM
Just saw some images of the HandEra 330... Looks like a great ereader..

hidari



@NatCh,

I couldn't agree more. If I had my way, I'd still be using my old HandEra 330 -- greyscale screen with the old green-ish backlight that was very easy on the eyes, didn't even need the backlight in daylight or most other lighting conditions, fast recharges that lasted a very long time, even a virtual graffitti area for lots of screen. Most importantly, compared to the ergonomics of these last remaining Palm devices, it had a thumb wheel, which was great for reading long texts. Sadly, the damn thing was dropped and run over... Don't ask, my teeth still grind just thinking about it.

As for the latest and greatest, a family member thought they were doing me a huge favor by buying me a Sony Reader for xmas, but I find I am actually reading less now than I used to on my eBookwise. I was just contemplating switching back, but I am going to visit said family member this weekend, so now may not be the best time. :rolleyes:

Still, as you said, I would gladly still be using the HandEra, given a choice. There were a few others that weren't bad, a Sony SJ-22 and my Tapwave both come to mind, but neither was quite as good, and if memory serves, the HandEra was fairly cheap, too.

Jack

Gideon
03-06-2008, 09:46 PM
I don't know about dispariging something we once liked.

As others have said - each to their own, but having had many such devices I simply could never get myself to read on them. The short line length being a big problem, but others as well. So... I've never liked these other options.

Biggest difference between eInk and these other devices (for me) is that I'll use the eink devices, and I wouldn't the others. And it's not that I didn't love those devices, but not for reading large amounts of text. In the same way, I am likely to look something up on Wikipedia or anywhere else on my iPhone before I use my Kindle for anything BUT reading as I find it does a poor job of these other things compared to my iPhone.

People have different needs... I don't think, however, that we all just instantly poopoo what was previously around for no good reason besides having something better.

As Nat said, I imagine we'll look at the Kindle and like devices as very primitive (very soon, I imagine!) at some point, but for now it seems leaps and bounds better than anything I've ever used.

Though, I admit... using my old tabletPC had some nice advantages, but being 7-8 lbs certainly cut into that.

JeffElkins
03-07-2008, 03:35 PM
I have a Nokia N800 and my wife uses a Nokia 770. We use them almost exclusively as ebook readers. I don't see an e-ink device in our future unless price significantly drops.

hidari
03-07-2008, 08:01 PM
interesting: What software do you use for reading ebooks on your Nokia tablets?

:book2:


I have a Nokia N800 and my wife uses a Nokia 770. We use them almost exclusively as ebook readers. I don't see an e-ink device in our future unless price significantly drops.

conanfan
03-07-2008, 09:55 PM
I started reading e-reading about 8 years ago when my office issued me a monochrome Palm VII (with a stunning 4 megs of available memory, IIRC). At that time, I think I used iSilo as my primary reading device In 2003, I migrated to a Dell Axim x5 and started using the Microsoft Reader program. I eventually got frustrated with Microsoft Reader's large margins and cumbersome memory usage. I tried Mobipocket and eReader, but eventually settled on the excellent uBook as my reader of choice. A couple of years ago, I switched to an iPaq hx2755 and tried out Mobipocket again and found it had greatly improved in both e-book creation and usability, and now it's my reader of choice, particularly since uBook is no longer completely free (I haven't bothered to buy a license, so I just deal with the nag screen).

I now read almost exclusively on my Pocket PC. Furthermore, I love the flexibility of the Pocket PC versus a dedicated e-ink device - I can watch movies, listen to music, browse the internet, check e-mail, play games, and access my home media and TV through Orb. My pocket pc is my precious....

JeffElkins
03-07-2008, 10:27 PM
interesting: What software do you use for reading ebooks on your Nokia tablets?:book2:

FBReader. It's under active development and works quite well.

Dopedangel
03-08-2008, 12:09 AM
I use a ppc with ubook and have no plans to migrate to an e-ink device
unless an e-ink phone with ubook comes along
Ubook reads many fromats natively so I dont have to convert books plus
I prefer a multi use device
I dont want to carry around 2 or more devices

hidari
03-08-2008, 10:00 PM
Yes. I like Ubook as well.>Unfortunately, The interface on my Acer does not work well with Ubook, Also It Freezes more often than my mobipocket. I do like Ubooks variety of formats that it accepts. I find mobicreator is perfect for most of my ebooks that I put on my Acer.



I use a ppc with ubook and have no plans to migrate to an e-ink device
unless an e-ink phone with ubook comes along
Ubook reads many fromats natively so I dont have to convert books plus
I prefer a multi use device
I dont want to carry around 2 or more devices

flumbo
03-09-2008, 04:32 AM
I have a Sony Reader but come from years of reading on PDA devices. I used the Sony Reader a lot the first year but found myself moving back towards pocket sized devices. The "next page" buttons also started to act up and don't function reliably anymore. Now I haven't powered up my Reader in months and don't miss it. I've decided that for me the priorities are:

1. Pocketability-- I don't want to carry a big device
2. Backlight-- For some reason my place just isn't set up for convenient light for an eink device and the Sony Reader screen doesn't work for long in direct sunlight.
3. Battery Life-- Need at least 6+ hours of battery for long plane flights
4. Screen Resolution/Size-- I don't need a lot of text on the screen as I don't mind clicking next repeatedly. It is important to me to be able to increase the size of the text until it is very big to reduce eye strain.

Of the devices I still have:

My Tmobile Dash has a screen that has good resolution but the screen size is a little too small and it isn't very readable outdoors. The battery also drains fast with the screen on.

My old Palm T3 screen was just about right and it is the most comfortable to hold but the battery life was poor and it wasn't very visible outdoors.

My Sony Reader has great battery life but is too big to carry with me and I find lighting the screen difficult. I also find the font size even on the biggest setting to often be too small. I still pack this when traveling as a backup.

My HP TC1100 tablet pc is too heavy to hold comfortably and has poor battery life.

My iPod Touch has a great screen, excellent outdoor readability and good battery life but the software is still missing many features and getting recent books can be difficult. It also isn't the most comfortable device to hold-- very slippery, too thin, with sharp corners on the front.

Right now my device of choice is a jailbreaked iPod Touch mostly for the convergence of features. I'm hoping Mobipocket or eReader will produce software for the SDK in June. If so I'll probably move on to the next version of the iPhone as my reading platform.

hidari
03-09-2008, 08:36 AM
Well,

Thanx for your views on the subject. I thought there would be someone out there not happy with the bigger devices. I find that the whole notion of having to be the size of a paperback functional on one level. Many people are used to reading a book of paperback. However, The digital age changes all that. Your first point, I find the most important. Pocetablility. Your iphone and my Acer are about the same size screenwise. I think they are both good as readers and having a back light is important for many readers. I find the ability to change the size of the text with Mobipocket a great benefit. I hope that your iphone gets mobipocket in the near future.

igorsk
03-09-2008, 09:59 AM
LVD of lBook fame announced a 5" eInk device with touch screen.
http://www.the-ebook.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=135543#135543
Promised to be under $200 retail.

hidari
03-09-2008, 12:38 PM
Wow. Thanx for the link. It looks interesting. Should be on the market soon.


LVD of lBook fame announced a 5" eInk device with touch screen.
http://www.the-ebook.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=135543#135543
Promised to be under $200 retail.

minimalposter
03-09-2008, 02:36 PM
LVD of lBook fame announced a 5" eInk device with touch screen.
http://www.the-ebook.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=135543#135543
Promised to be under $200 retail.

Interesting. Any English translation or links for those enough mundane one language readers :(

Nate the great
03-09-2008, 02:57 PM
Scroll down about halfway:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://www.the-ebook.org/forum/viewtopic.php%3Fp%3D135948%26sid%3Df770690d91cfc34 adc478aac29eec47f&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=1&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dsite:http://www.the-ebook.org/forum/viewtopic.php%253Fp%253D135543%2523135543%2Bpocket %26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3DIlP

tsgreer
03-10-2008, 01:02 PM
I read for a couple of years on a Palm and then a Pocket PC. My first dedicated e-book reader was the ebookwise (which I still have). Then I upgraded to the Sony Reader and now I have a Kindle. I'm one of those that likes the bigger size and likes the fact that it doesn't have lots of bells and whistles.

I don't want to be called, reminded of an appointment or listen to music on my e-reader. I like the "paperback" size because I don't do any traveling or anything, so it's very comfortable for me to read on.

I enjoy my reading experience much more as a result of the e-ink experience. But I can see where your are coming from--this site is pretty e-ink focused. That's probably because the site is devoted to mobile reading and e-ink is something that makes it much easier for the majority of people who are jumping on the e-book wagon.

I will say that I sometimes miss uBook though, that's an awesome little ebook reading program. You can pretty much read anything with that.

radleyp
03-10-2008, 02:27 PM
I haven't the time to go over all the pages on this Russian-language site, but you should all be aware that one commenter requested a sketch of the device and was told that Sonka (whoever that is) couldn't or wouldn't produce it, which makes me doubt that this device will soon be available. And the site leader said he was going to Taiwan to discuss the screens with PVI - PVI can't make the screens it could be selling now, how is it going to make more for this company?

bwaldron
03-10-2008, 04:45 PM
I don't want to be called, reminded of an appointment or listen to music on my e-reader.

I'm with you there, actually. I am using my Clie TH55 as a dedicated reader, with my Treo handling phone and PDA functions.

renderstudio
03-10-2008, 06:33 PM
I have two photos attached of my Acer N311 that I use to read everyday on the subway in Sapporo, Japan. Prior to that She was read everyday on the Moscow metro.
hidari

I happily read Neuromancer on an smt5600 smartphone while riding that same subway in sapporo! weird as it may sound, I do the majority of my reading on a tmobile dash (htc excalibur).http://www.phonemag.com/images/uploads/HPIM0282.JPG

I am very happy with the small size of my smartphone. I also always have it on me. I also really dig my Nokia 770. I do a black background with green letters, and it glows beautifully in the dark. I have never read so much that the battery ran out on me.

what is funny to me is that I have been obsessing over which ereader to purchase, and have found both the kindle and sony reader to be lacking. I have a gadget crush on the illiad, but it is way outside my price range (my wife would destroy me). I wish I could hold it before purchasing.

I really miss sapporo. I had an order of sapporo ramen at a little eat-in place here in boston yesterday, but it just wasn't the same.

DaleDe
03-10-2008, 09:27 PM
I haven't the time to go over all the pages on this Russian-language site, but you should all be aware that one commenter requested a sketch of the device and was told that Sonka (whoever that is) couldn't or wouldn't produce it, which makes me doubt that this device will soon be available. And the site leader said he was going to Taiwan to discuss the screens with PVI - PVI can't make the screens it could be selling now, how is it going to make more for this company?

There was a sketch earlier in the thread but perhaps it changed over time. PVI is build new plants and increasing capacity. It won't be long before they will not be the bottleneck.

Dale

Steven Lyle Jordan
03-10-2008, 11:30 PM
I started reading e-books seriously on my Toshiba PDA. Recently I had the chance to test-drive a Sony PRS-505, and now, my e-book reader is... an iPaq 110.

I'm not saying the Sony was bad, but I like reading e-books on a PDA screen. I've never had an issue with the 320x240 size, and eyestrain has never been an issue for me. It's portable, the battery lasts as long as I'm reading, it's easy to change pages, I can read it in any light, and I can hold it in one hand. And since the iPaq is good for so many other tasks, I don't have a need for a dedicated reader at all.

I personally feel that everybody has different hardware needs, and people should use what they're comfortable with. In the long run, the hardware won't matter... it'll be the e-books that matter, whatever you read them on.

hidari
03-11-2008, 09:32 AM
THanx for the comments Steve. I saw that your were a PPC/PDA reader before, but I would guess that you would be an advocate of the e-ink devices that are so popular on the site. I agree that everyone has different tastes and needs. Your comment about the one handedness of the device is another plus in my book for the PPC/PDA's of the world. I Have attached a photo of my Acer n311 in Landscape mode as well. I can hold it with one hand in landscape or vertical mode.




I started reading e-books seriously on my Toshiba PDA. Recently I had the chance to test-drive a Sony PRS-505, and now, my e-book reader is... an iPaq 110.

I'm not saying the Sony was bad, but I like reading e-books on a PDA screen. I've never had an issue with the 320x240 size, and eyestrain has never been an issue for me. It's portable, the battery lasts as long as I'm reading, it's easy to change pages, I can read it in any light, and I can hold it in one hand. And since the iPaq is good for so many other tasks, I don't have a need for a dedicated reader at all.

I personally feel that everybody has different hardware needs, and people should use what they're comfortable with. In the long run, the hardware won't matter... it'll be the e-books that matter, whatever you read them on.

Steven Lyle Jordan
03-11-2008, 11:33 AM
THanx for the comments Steve. I saw that your were a PPC/PDA reader before, but I would guess that you would be an advocate of the e-ink devices that are so popular on the site.

I've always said: "Whatever works for you." If a Kindle is what you've always needed to make e-book reading great for you, then by all means, get one. If, on the other hand, you like reading from your PSP, do it! You want to use an iPod Touch? Go ahead! I'm in support of all of 'em, as long as it gets people to read e-books and enjoy it.

People tend to decide for themselves what they want to do. Once they do, they condition themselves to do what it takes to get there. In terms of technology, the Steve Jordan mantra is: "If you want to get used to it... you'll get used to it."

E-book readers fit that mantra well: None of them is perfect, but owners get used to their idiosyncrasies in order to get past them and enjoy their e-books. If an owner buys a new reader, they get used to that one's idiosyncrasies, get past them and enjoy their e-books... and on, and on. Obviously, the better the reader, the less you have to "make do" with, but it's all about using it because you want to.

Get them to want to do it... and they will. Let them decide how.

BooksForABuck
03-11-2008, 12:05 PM
I've found benefits in having multiple eBook reading devices. When I'm reading at home or on an airplane, I normally use my eBookWise. But I always keep my Palm in my pocket. When I'm alone at a restaurant, waiting for a doctor's appointment, waiting for the bus, or standing at the door because my wife is still getting dressed, I can take out the Palm, read a few pages, and then slip it back in my pocket.

There's something to be said for a device small enough that you can always have it with you.

I find I quickly get used to differences in screen size. I can read a book on the Palm as quickly as in paper. (The eBookWise is slightly faster).

I agree that the point of eReading is not the device, it's the reading. Whatever works for people is good. This month's perfect solution is next year's old hat.

Rob Preece
Publisher, www.BooksForABuck.com

Steven Lyle Jordan
03-11-2008, 12:43 PM
When I'm alone at a restaurant, waiting for a doctor's appointment, waiting for the bus, or standing at the door because my wife is still getting dressed, I can take out the Palm, read a few pages, and then slip it back in my pocket.

Yup... that's me all over!

NatCh
03-11-2008, 12:53 PM
I think there's something to be said for that approach, and I'd probably go for that approach, at least some of the time, if there were a way to keep the devices "on the same page," as it were. I don't really want to keep multiple books going at the same time, I've done it before, I just prefer not to, so I'd need a way to keep the same book at the same place (or pretty close) on multiple devices. Of course, that also drags in the format and DRM issues. :rolleyes:

Steven Lyle Jordan
03-11-2008, 01:24 PM
One of the things that I always thought would be a good idea, would be that of the portable memory that is supported by multiple workstation and display appliances, according to your immediate needs. In other words, you have a PDA that is always with you and fully accessible, but when you want more, you take along a larger screen accessory that syncs to the PDA, or a "laptop dock" that syncs to the PDA, and you have a full workstation running off the same memory.

This would solve your multiple items dilemma... you always take the PDA, but you bring the larger screen when it's handy. You only have to worry about 1 book, 1 format, 1 DRM license, etc. It continues to surprise me that none of the mini-computer manufacturers have managed to sell this modular idea to any segment of the public yet...

DaleDe
03-11-2008, 01:44 PM
One of the things that I always thought would be a good idea, would be that of the portable memory that is supported by multiple workstation and display appliances, according to your immediate needs. In other words, you have a PDA that is always with you and fully accessible, but when you want more, you take along a larger screen accessory that syncs to the PDA, or a "laptop dock" that syncs to the PDA, and you have a full workstation running off the same memory.

This would solve your multiple items dilemma... you always take the PDA, but you bring the larger screen when it's handy. You only have to worry about 1 book, 1 format, 1 DRM license, etc. It continues to surprise me that none of the mini-computer manufacturers have managed to sell this modular idea to any segment of the public yet...

Why not just move the SD card itself, no sync needed. If the license is set up for both devices you should be able to move a card easily between devices and for mobipocket files the book marks will move with the card.

Dale

NatCh
03-11-2008, 04:06 PM
One of the things that I always thought would be a good idea, would be that of the portable memory that is supported by multiple workstation and display appliances, according to your immediate needs. In other words, you have a PDA that is always with you and fully accessible, but when you want more, you take along a larger screen accessory that syncs to the PDA, or a "laptop dock" that syncs to the PDA, and you have a full workstation running off the same memory.

This would solve your multiple items dilemma... you always take the PDA, but you bring the larger screen when it's handy. You only have to worry about 1 book, 1 format, 1 DRM license, etc. It continues to surprise me that none of the mini-computer manufacturers have managed to sell this modular idea to any segment of the public yet...

It sounds like a good idea to me.

I've seen something that follows the modular concept (I forget the name) but it's aimed pretty much totally at the ubertechie to the point of being hopeless for any actual application. I suspect no-one's done it because the idea hasn't been presented to the right person who has the influence/means to do anything with it, just like so many good ideas out there. :shrug:

m-reader
03-12-2008, 06:10 AM
I've read on PDA since Philips Nino (can't remember the model number anymore), and that was back in 1998. Since then I've had a Psion, a couple Palms and finally a Fujistu-Siemens Loox 560. All of these were great gadgets and great for reading from.
At least I thought so until I bought my iLiad ...
There's no way I'll read anything on a back-lit screen unless I have to.
Then again, I can see how some people would find PDAs better than eInk. A matter of taste.

TallMomof2
03-12-2008, 09:47 AM
I read for years on Palms and Palm clones. I purposely bought the T|X because it has the largest PDA screen. My biggest gripe about reading from it was not the smallness of the screen but the fact that I couldn't read outside in sunlight. An eInk screen solves that problem for me. Plus I figured out quickly that I had zero eye strain.

I still love my Palm and it's my backup reader but reading on a backlit LCD is hard on my eyes.

AdamGott
03-13-2008, 07:13 PM
I have been contemplating an e-reader purchase to replace my Palm Tungsten T2 but settled on a used IPAQ 3115 instead. $100 on EBAY and it has wireless internet (802.11b) and lots of other bells and whistles that the e-readers still don't have.

Eventually I will get an e-reader but they are too much for my tastes still.

hidari
03-13-2008, 07:56 PM
congrats on the ipaq 3115. How are the specs? screen? can you use mobipocket on it?


I have been contemplating an e-reader purchase to replace my Palm Tungsten T2 but settled on a used IPAQ 3115 instead. $100 on EBAY and it has wireless internet (802.11b) and lots of other bells and whistles that the e-readers still don't have.

Eventually I will get an e-reader but they are too much for my tastes still.

AdamGott
03-15-2008, 08:13 PM
240x320 16 bit color, standard size for the era. Yes mobipocket works on it and I actually like it better than micro-read (uread or whatever, I don't know where the micro key is and I don't want to look) on this device as I can completely get rid of margins on all sides and it almost seems that there is a whole page to read there.

The big reason for the upgrade for me (from an IPAQ H3635 pocket PC that is really old) and my PALM TUNGSTEN T2 was the wireless internet and better screen (and easily replacable battery). It's kind of fun going out around town and seeing how many unsecured routers are pumping out a free wifi hotspot! The screen is much better than the old pocket pc which was not backlit but front-lit but not much better than the Tungsten.

I have successfully installed a packet sniffer and am now trying to get youtube playing on it. That is supposedly possible.

It was a hundred bucks well spent and I got a case and a couple of memory cards for that same hundred bucks.

I have been able to successfully download books wirelessly to the device (from fictionwise) but I have been kind of dissapointed at how little direct download software is available. I seem to have to use my PC a lot to install programs right now but I would guess that will eventually happen less and less.

If I can ever get my wife into the e-book thing I may give this to her eventually and look for a PPC with a VGA screen next.

hidari
03-20-2008, 11:05 AM
Thanks for the information. Sounds like you are happy. Well I have a VGA screen and would recommend it if you are looking for a new ppc one day.




240x320 16 bit color, standard size for the era. Yes mobipocket works on it and I actually like it better than micro-read (uread or whatever, I don't know where the micro key is and I don't want to look) on this device as I can completely get rid of margins on all sides and it almost seems that there is a whole page to read there.

The big reason for the upgrade for me (from an IPAQ H3635 pocket PC that is really old) and my PALM TUNGSTEN T2 was the wireless internet and better screen (and easily replacable battery). It's kind of fun going out around town and seeing how many unsecured routers are pumping out a free wifi hotspot! The screen is much better than the old pocket pc which was not backlit but front-lit but not much better than the Tungsten.

I have successfully installed a packet sniffer and am now trying to get youtube playing on it. That is supposedly possible.

It was a hundred bucks well spent and I got a case and a couple of memory cards for that same hundred bucks.

I have been able to successfully download books wirelessly to the device (from fictionwise) but I have been kind of dissapointed at how little direct download software is available. I seem to have to use my PC a lot to install programs right now but I would guess that will eventually happen less and less.

If I can ever get my wife into the e-book thing I may give this to her eventually and look for a PPC with a VGA screen next.

AdamGott
03-21-2008, 04:24 PM
I will definitely go with VGA the next time. It kind of sucks that I just bought this thing, we just got a surprise $4000 bonus at work today which means I could have spent some more money on my newest PPC.

Oh well, this 3115 is pretty nifty compared to what I was using. I absolutely love the wireless internet feature on it. I had a cell phone data package before but that was crap - slow and a pain to browse on my phone. The PPC still isn't great for browsing conventional sites and I can't get access anywhere I want but I am kind of surprised how much access I do find using 802.11b.

hidari
03-22-2008, 04:38 AM
I love the wireless as well. are you using the mobile websites when you are surfing with your ppc?



I will definitely go with VGA the next time. It kind of sucks that I just bought this thing, we just got a surprise $4000 bonus at work today which means I could have spent some more money on my newest PPC.

Oh well, this 3115 is pretty nifty compared to what I was using. I absolutely love the wireless internet feature on it. I had a cell phone data package before but that was crap - slow and a pain to browse on my phone. The PPC still isn't great for browsing conventional sites and I can't get access anywhere I want but I am kind of surprised how much access I do find using 802.11b.

Steven Lyle Jordan
03-22-2008, 09:09 AM
I will definitely go with VGA the next time. It kind of sucks that I just bought this thing, we just got a surprise $4000 bonus at work today which means I could have spent some more money on my newest PPC.

Should I take this to mean that you have a TFT screen on your device, or something else?

I just bought an iPaq 110 with the 320x240 TFT screen, and it is worlds better than my old Toshiba's screen, for text and graphics. With both of the devices, enabling the ClearType option vastly improves text readability, and makes the difference between comfort and eyestrain.

sydneycat1999
03-25-2008, 01:48 AM
I've finally received my HP iPAQ 212 last week. And I'm really happy with it. I can read both my .lit & mobipocket books on it. Hubby thought that it would still be too small to read a book on. Actually, the fonts are not that small or bigger than a physical book. The difference is, that you could always adjust them ;) But I've realised that with an ordinary book you tend to skip some lines throughout the book & miss the finer details. But with the iPAQ or other similar PDA because of the fewer lines in each page you end up reading every single line ;) Hence, I've been through quite a few "That's why, Hey I missed that before" moments when rereading a book :D

leandroide
03-25-2008, 04:59 AM
Hi!

Congratulations for your new child! :)

One question: do you use it to read in the darkness? If so, what can you say about the brightness of the screen?

I ask this question because I have an Axim X51V and an Acer N311 (they have the same screen) an both are a little too bright even with brightness at its minimum.

Thanks in advance,

L.


I've finally received my HP iPAQ 212 last week. And I'm really happy with it. I can read both my .lit & mobipocket books on it. Hubby thought that it would still be too small to read a book on. Actually, the fonts are not that small or bigger than a physical book. The difference is, that you could always adjust them ;) But I've realised that with an ordinary book you tend to skip some lines throughout the book & miss the finer details. But with the iPAQ or other similar PDA because of the fewer lines in each page you end up reading every single line ;) Hence, I've been through quite a few "That's why, Hey I missed that before" moments when rereading a book :D

sydneycat1999
03-25-2008, 05:49 AM
Hi!

Congratulations for your new child! :)

One question: do you use it to read in the darkness? If so, what can you say about the brightness of the screen?

I ask this question because I have an Axim X51V and an Acer N311 (they have the same screen) an both are a little too bright even with brightness at its minimum.

Thanks in advance,

L.

Thanks. Actually this is my first PDA so can't really compare to others. Before this I only read on my notebook, even in bed :p But screen brightness is always an issue for me so am glad that the iPAQ screen's is not too bright either. I've adjusted the brightness to minimum of course on device itself, & chose enable cleartype as option for fonts on mobipocket.

At night I read with white fonts on blue background & during the day especially under direct sunlight black fonts with white background. I've read with it in the car at night (hubby driving of course ;)) still no problem.

So, now I'm just going to get the extra memory, fancy cover & maybe an extra battery & I'm ready for those long flights ;)

hidari
03-25-2008, 12:27 PM
Congrats on the Ipaq. i THINK reading on a ppc is great and not a problem at all. as for too much light at night or low light...wear a pair of sunglasses..that is what i do to solve that problem.



Thanks. Actually this is my first PDA so can't really compare to others. Before this I only read on my notebook, even in bed :p But screen brightness is always an issue for me so am glad that the iPAQ screen's is not too bright either. I've adjusted the brightness to minimum of course on device itself, & chose enable cleartype as option for fonts on mobipocket.

At night I read with white fonts on blue background & during the day especially under direct sunlight black fonts with white background. I've read with it in the car at night (hubby driving of course ;)) still no problem.

So, now I'm just going to get the extra memory, fancy cover & maybe an extra battery & I'm ready for those long flights ;)

hidari
03-25-2008, 12:29 PM
for the bright:coolness problem ,I have it too with my ACER. i wear a pair of sunglasses... then the problem is solved.

hidari

:cool::cool::cool:


Hi!

Congratulations for your new child! :)

One question: do you use it to read in the darkness? If so, what can you say about the brightness of the screen?

I ask this question because I have an Axim X51V and an Acer N311 (they have the same screen) an both are a little too bright even with brightness at its minimum.

Thanks in advance,

L.

leandroide
03-25-2008, 04:36 PM
for the bright:coolness problem ,I have it too with my ACER. i wear a pair of sunglasses... then the problem is solved.

hidari

:cool::cool::cool:

Mmm... Japanese are wise people!

:thanks:

Steven Lyle Jordan
03-25-2008, 05:01 PM
for the bright:coolness problem ,I have it too with my ACER. i wear a pair of sunglasses... then the problem is solved.

You just have to make sure that your sunglasses are not polarized... and/or that the natural polarization of the display screen isn't perpendicular to your view! I had to give up polarized sunglasses years ago, because the polarization would render certain of my devices (my LCD watch, my PDA) to be completely black in my view... unless I turned them 90 degrees on their side, whereby I couldn't read them anyway! :smack:

leandroide
03-26-2008, 03:22 PM
You just have to make sure that your sunglasses are not polarized... and/or that the natural polarization of the display screen isn't perpendicular to your view! I had to give up polarized sunglasses years ago, because the polarization would render certain of my devices (my LCD watch, my PDA) to be completely black in my view... unless I turned them 90 degrees on their side, whereby I couldn't read them anyway! :smack:

Well... my sunglasses are polarized. When I wear them if I look to my PDA screen the background gets tinted. In portrait mode the tint is yellow-red (not uniform) and in landscape the tint is blue-green. Kind of psycodelic!

L.

Steven Lyle Jordan
03-26-2008, 03:45 PM
That can be a cool effect! Yours is likely 45 degrees out of phase with your glasses, to be able to see it in portrait and landscape orientations. If you turn it diagonally in one direction, it could become completely clear... and in the other, it could go black.

(There may be levels or types of polarization, or screen types, that mitigate this effect.)

bmwvan
04-27-2008, 02:07 AM
This thread shows what I love about this site. So many points of view and so many well written arguments! I happen to like both PPC/PDA devices and the larger paperback sized dedicated readers. I got into this site to get information to help me choose which E-ink device my wife and I will buy, but we will still use our iPAQs. For those of you who mentioned ubook, I agree it is a great program. I had a problem with it and their tech support was easy to get and soon I was back in action. Read on, everyone...

noctilux
05-20-2008, 07:31 PM
Hi everyone,
I have been using the Nokia E90 as my main mobile phone (among other things) for just over 3 months now and have recently discovered its potential as an ebook reader. It’s not a tablet, but I think it fits quite well in this thread. Having read a few books on it, I can say I am very impressed. The 800x352 widescreen can fit quite a bit of text on one page, although you need reasonably good eye sight as the screen’s pixel density is pretty high. Mobipocket Reader handles even the largest ebooks without any significant delay – I’m using the whole of Wikipedia on it!
The great thing about high-end smartphones such as the E90 is their flexibility, in my opinion. While they may not be as good at the many things they can do as specialist devices, they offers a great and, when you consider just how many devices they replace, a quite affordable compromise in my opinion. Just think about it: A Nokia E90, for example, combines:
- A small, (admittedly not very high quality, but useable) digital camera
- A video/music player
- A phone, obviously
- An Internet navigation device
- An ebook reader
- A navigation system
- … (and quite a bit more)
I apologize if that sounded rather Steve Jobs-ish :D.
The Amazon Kindle or whatever other specialised reading device many people on this site use may offer a slightly better reading experience, but ultimately cannot offer anything else apart from that, due to its monochrome screen, for instance, and can be quite impractical in day-to-day use because of its bulky form factor. The Nokia N810 does most things a high-end smartphone can and provides arguably the better Internet experience, but it can’t go online without another phone. One may argue that, if you know in advance that you won’t need a certain feature, single devices are the better option, because an average 75g mobile phone does the job without weighing about 150g more due to its unnecessary extra features. However, the idea of “leaving something at home you’re sure you won’t need” never quite worked for me in the past. Quite often I found myself wishing I had taken a certain device along which I previously thought was completely unnecessary.
I am a user who prefers convergence over specialization. I’m willing to do without a few things here or there to have everything I need with me when I need it.
To sum up, I think whether a specialized solution for the devices you need or an all-in-one device is the better choice is a matter of personal preference. In the past few years, convergence devices have got a lot better at everything they do though, and if this trend continues, the advantages specialist devices offer may become less and less apparent.
What’s your opinion?

Greetings,

Martin

Steven Lyle Jordan
05-20-2008, 08:04 PM
Yup, we're with you Martin. The most important thing is that you read... the equipment is secondary. And if you're comfortable on the Nokia, as I am on my iPaq, read away!

250 Coupe
05-20-2008, 10:30 PM
I have several different ways to read, Sharp's Mobilon HC-4500, Vadem's Clio 1050, and handful of Rocket eBooks.

I choose one to fit where I'm reading. The Rockets are great for reading in bed, the Clio's work great at work or at the dinner table as they stand up by themselves. The Mobilon's work OK in either situation.

I read well over 800WPM and a small screen makes for very frequent page turns. The Clio's huge screen is nice in that regard.

Michael

I forgot to ad that the Clio can be used laptop style or folded up to work as a tablet which means it can be read one handed. Way cool.

amgoforth
05-20-2008, 11:38 PM
Yup, we're with you Martin. The most important thing is that you read... the equipment is secondary. And if you're comfortable on the Nokia, as I am on my iPaq, read away!



Will an ipaq etc read google pdf ebooks?

Steven Lyle Jordan
05-21-2008, 10:15 AM
Will an ipaq etc read google pdf ebooks?

I've never tried... but if I am correct in the belief that google PDFs are not tagged (confirmation, anyone?), I'd say you could open the files on an iPaq, but you'd be scrolling left and right to read it. :zoiks:

pilotbob
05-21-2008, 02:02 PM
I've never tried... but if I am correct in the belief that google PDFs are not tagged (confirmation, anyone?), I'd say you could open the files on an iPaq, but you'd be scrolling left and right to read it. :zoiks:

You can set re-flow view even on documents that are not tagged. I just doesn't always look as good.

BOb

EDIT: At least this is the case with the PC version of Adobe reader.

Jack B Nimble
05-21-2008, 02:26 PM
I forgot to ad that the Clio can be used laptop style or folded up to work as a tablet which means it can be read one handed. Way cool.

Ahh, the memories. The Clio... That and the Intermec 6651. Those were the machines I really wanted at that time, specifically for the ability to convert to tablet format. I could not afford either, and I ended up with a Psion Series 7 (got a good deal on an auction). I was very happy with the Psion and used it for years, but I still watched the prices on the Clio and the Intermec for a long time after.

Sadly, looking for a replacement for those machines is still a tough job. I had a Nokia 9300 for a while, but the keyboard just wasn't up to the task. Some of the new sub-notes show some promise, but they still don't have the battery life I came to expect with my Psion (even after I installed the netBook ROM and started surfing via WiFi). I cannot believe some of these companies are bragging about 3 hours of battery. :(

Guess I'll have to stick to my eBookwise and Tapwave for now.

Jack

Nate the great
05-21-2008, 02:51 PM
You can still get a Psion (1, 2, 3, 5, 6, or) 7 if you want it.

http://www.pulster.de/engl/index.html

noctilux
05-23-2008, 07:58 AM
I suppose it's too big for you, but I'm very happy with my Thinkpad X60 which I got used pretty cheaply. With a new 9-cell battery it has about 7 hours of battery life at full brightness and 6.5 with WLAN - more than enough for me. However, with the battery, it does weigh around 1.6kg and while that is very light for a notebook, compared to the Intermec, it's quite heavy.
I'd recommend the Nokia E90 (which I'm very pleased with) but the keyboard really isn't great for writing a lot of text. It's designed for thumb use and if you write with all fingers, it gets quite uncomfortable due to the amount of power needed to press the keys down. Apart from that, the E90 gets nearly everything else right, though the old S80 interface definitely had its advantages (especially the office suite which was absolutely superb). Perhaps an E90 with a bluetooth keyboard would be an option?

Greetings,

Martin

Totzkie
02-06-2009, 03:39 AM
I have been reading a lot of ebooks since my Palm days. Now I read my ebooks mainly on an HTC Kaiser/AT&T Tilt. The Kaiser for me is very ideal for reading ebooks and I use the Microsoft Reader app. I usually read my ebooks in portrait mode, but when I get tired of holding the device, I just pop out the screen and tilt it, while placing it on a table or while sitting up in bed.