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Utahcowboy 02-13-2008, 03:34 AM I really want to get one of these ebook readers but I have some requirements that have to be met and I am not sure which device fits my specs (if any). So I thought I would list them in hopes that one of you out there can offer some help for me. I am new to this forum so please be patient with me.
I am legally blind and I love to read (major problem there:) Over the years as my eyesight has declined I have resorted to audio books, which for the most part works pretty well for casual reading, but I don't intend to use the device just for casual reading. I intend to mostly use it for study purposes. Because of my disability, I scan all my text books for school and then convert them into txt format which I then use an electronic voice to read them to me. However, often times in my classes I need to have the readings in front of me to look at with the rest of the class. When I heard about these ebook readers with the e-ink screens I thought that maybe there is a solution here. So this is what I need the device to do:
large font size (I took a look at the sony device in a book store and it did not get big enough)
Good contrast
note taking (such as underlining, margin and/or in text notes)
Things that I would like but aren't as important are:
in text word look up with a dictionary
ability to read web pages
several fonts to choose from or the ability to add others
Things that I don't need:
Good pdf reading
display of pictures
Is there a device out there that does what I need or am I waisting my time?
HarryT 02-13-2008, 05:04 AM Unfortunately there's no reader on the market which meets all your requirements. The iRex iLiad comes closest; it can display books in extremely large fonts, and has annotation capabilities, but only for PDF files, not text.
If you DON'T need the annotation, then the CyBook Gen3 would be ideal. It again allows you to magnify the text as much as you wish, load your own fonts, and has dictionary support.
slayda 02-13-2008, 07:43 AM Unfortunately there's no reader on the market which meets all your requirements. The iRex iLiad comes closest; it can display books in extremely large fonts, and has annotation capabilities, but only for PDF files, not text.
If you DON'T need the annotation, then the CyBook Gen3 would be ideal. It again allows you to magnify the text as much as you wish, load your own fonts, and has dictionary support.
I agree with Harry. However if you can work with .RTF files (as in the Sony), you can increase the font size on your computer and then load the file on the Sony. I did this for my mother so she could read.
But without the extra work, probably the CyBook Gen3 would be your best bet, especially as the Sony has no dictionary support.
DaleDe 02-13-2008, 09:54 AM I really want to get one of these ebook readers but I have some requirements that have to be met and I am not sure which device fits my specs (if any). So I thought I would list them in hopes that one of you out there can offer some help for me. I am new to this forum so please be patient with me.
I am legally blind and I love to read (major problem there:) Over the years as my eyesight has declined I have resorted to audio books, which for the most part works pretty well for casual reading, but I don't intend to use the device just for casual reading. I intend to mostly use it for study purposes. Because of my disability, I scan all my text books for school and then convert them into txt format which I then use an electronic voice to read them to me. However, often times in my classes I need to have the readings in front of me to look at with the rest of the class. When I heard about these ebook readers with the e-ink screens I thought that maybe there is a solution here. So this is what I need the device to do:
large font size (I took a look at the sony device in a book store and it did not get big enough)
Good contrast
note taking (such as underlining, margin and/or in text notes)
Things that I would like but aren't as important are:
in text word look up with a dictionary
ability to read web pages
several fonts to choose from or the ability to add others
Things that I don't need:
Good pdf reading
display of pictures
Is there a device out there that does what I need or am I waisting my time?
If you live in the USA then the Kindle is the closest to meeting your requirements.
Dale
wallcraft 02-13-2008, 11:03 AM The Kindle has 6 font sizes. To check that they are large enough take these screenshots (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showpost.php?p=133629&postcount=4 ) and print them on paper at 167 dpi (3.6" by 4.8"). This is very close to what the Kindle screen looks like - except that the background is gray. The background does not effect readability much, particularly at the large font sizes.
If the font is large enough, then the Kindle meets all your needs. You would type comments using the (small) keyboard.
The other option with note taking is the iLiad, which has a larger screen (particularly good for large fonts) and you would take notes on PDFs only using the stylus. Handwriting with the stylus might be easier than using the Kindle's small keyboard.
kacir 02-13-2008, 12:37 PM Is there a device out there that does what I need or am I waisting my time?
If you will prepare your own books any e-reader out there will be good enough for *reading* books in large font.
For example, you can prepare an rtf file for a Sony Reader with any font size.
However, navigation through such book will be slow, and I am not sure you could follow for example a textbook on an e-book reader in a class. It takes [relatively] long time to flip the page.
Perhaps a second-hand notebook, or a tablet PC, or that new eee pc from Asus ( http://eeepc.asus.com/global/ ) would serve better to you needs.
Also have a look at One Laptop Per Child - OLPC ( http://olpc.com/ ) The laptop screen has two modes - a color mode (low resolution) and gray, high resolution mode readable in direct sunlight.
Utahcowboy 02-13-2008, 02:20 PM Hey, all this info is really great! It seems from the replies that the Cybook or the Kindle are probably my best bets without spending an arm and a leg. I would consider the Iliad but if you can only annotate pdf then I can't see a reason spending double the money for a feature that I will never use.
I do have some follow up questions. I had read on other sites that the Cybook's buttons are difficult to press. And I have also read that the Kindle's hardware is poorly designed because of its page flipping buttons. Is there anyone who happens to own these devices that could fill me in on these issues and whether or not they are real problems. Thanks.
wallcraft 02-13-2008, 02:33 PM And I have also read that the Kindle's hardware is poorly designed because of its page flipping buttons. The Kindle has page buttons on the left and the right. I am used to reading with left edge buttons, and these work well on the Kindle. The reported problems are mostly with the right edge buttons which are very easy to press by mistake. Leaving the Kindle in its cover protects the right edge a bit and makes this less likely. I don't know if this is still a problem for those who routinely use the right buttons or if this is something you get used to over time.
DaleDe 02-13-2008, 02:57 PM Hey, all this info is really great! It seems from the replies that the Cybook or the Kindle are probably my best bets without spending an arm and a leg. I would consider the Iliad but if you can only annotate pdf then I can't see a reason spending double the money for a feature that I will never use.
I do have some follow up questions. I had read on other sites that the Cybook's buttons are difficult to press. And I have also read that the Kindle's hardware is poorly designed because of its page flipping buttons. Is there anyone who happens to own these devices that could fill me in on these issues and whether or not they are real problems. Thanks.
The cybook cannot annotate at all. The Kindle works better if you leave it in its case. On the iLiad most folks just use a dummy PDF so that they can make notes on whatever they wish.
Dale
Utahcowboy 02-13-2008, 03:37 PM The cybook cannot annotate at all. The Kindle works better if you leave it in its case. On the iLiad most folks just use a dummy PDF so that they can make notes on whatever they wish.
Dale
what is a dummy pdf and how does it work?
DaleDe 02-13-2008, 03:51 PM what is a dummy pdf and how does it work?
A dummy can be blank pages or can be a template. For example one such template in the iLiad forum on this web site is a bunch of lines on a page, more or less like notebook paper. This provides a background to enter notes on. Notes are free hand scribbles so a set of lines helps.
Dale
DDHarriman 02-13-2008, 04:46 PM Hi Uthacowboy
I think what you need is not a eBook reader but a tabletpc or a umpc.
With one of those you can read in any font size you want, any format you want, annotate, do your normal homework or writing, convert text to sound, ear your audiobooks, well… everything you do with a normal computer but in a “book” form.
What you pay to have that is... they are more expensive (something like 2.5 times more minimal) and have more weight - 1,5 to 2 kilos for a tabletpc, 0,75 to 1 kilo for a umpc.
Still… for you the positive things are much superior in number to the negative ones.
Wish you can find the perfect solution at the lowest price.
Best regards,
Utahcowboy 02-13-2008, 07:39 PM Hi Uthacowboy
I think what you need is not a eBook reader but a tabletpc or a umpc.
With one of those you can read in any font size you want, any format you want, annotate, do your normal homework or writing, convert text to sound, ear your audiobooks, well… everything you do with a normal computer but in a “book” form.
What you pay to have that is... they are more expensive (something like 2.5 times more minimal) and have more weight - 1,5 to 2 kilos for a tabletpc, 0,75 to 1 kilo for a umpc.
Still… for you the positive things are much superior in number to the negative ones.
Wish you can find the perfect solution at the lowest price.
Best regards,
Thanks for the advice, but I already carry around a computer that is designed specifically for the blind and doesn't have a screen but operates purely by audio, the problem is that navigating through a text via audio is not quick or convenient at all. A tablet pc is still a computer and although you are right that it would do what I am looking for, it is too big to carry around when I already carry around a computer, and I also intend on reading books for casual reading from time to time and would like to eliminate eyestrain. I am sorry, I should have mentioned this in my first post. I really believe that what I am looking for is an ebook reader. Forgive me for being too vague at the beginning of this thread. On occasion I would like to read a book without listening too it and large print books are generally not big enough and they are very heavy and bulky. But thanks for the advice.
HarryT 02-14-2008, 01:58 AM I do have some follow up questions. I had read on other sites that the Cybook's buttons are difficult to press.
A "non issue" (IMHO). The CyBook's buttons are a little stiff at first, but rapidly "free up" with use.
ProfJulie 02-14-2008, 10:13 AM I agree with Harry. The Cybook's navigational button is a bit stiff and sometimes you have to press it more than once but it does get more sensitive the more you press it. It's really not a big deal at all.
brecklundin 02-17-2008, 06:49 AM I might add a thought to consider it's not likely only a simply of text size.. The eink devices are not backlit and you likely need a high contrast screen. Since you won't have a light to help bring out the text, you might not have sufficient contrast on any current e-ink display.
My mom is legally blind due diabetic retinopathy and she cannot make out wording very well on the Sony 505. It uses the same display as the Kindle.
But the good news is if you do get a Kindle and can't read on it, it would likely sell on eBay for much more than you paid...or at least very very close by the time you get yours.
I would suggest if you have a Border's bookstore or some other retail outlet that carries the Sony devices call and see of they have a demo 505. If you can read that then you can read the Kindle. Or I should say if the contrast ratio is high enough for you.
Utahcowboy 02-17-2008, 09:51 PM I might add a thought to consider it's not likely only a simply of text size.. The eink devices are not backlit and you likely need a high contrast screen. Since you won't have a light to help bring out the text, you might not have sufficient contrast on any current e-ink display.
My mom is legally blind due diabetic retinopathy and she cannot make out wording very well on the Sony 505. It uses the same display as the Kindle.
But the good news is if you do get a Kindle and can't read on it, it would likely sell on eBay for much more than you paid...or at least very very close by the time you get yours.
I would suggest if you have a Border's bookstore or some other retail outlet that carries the Sony devices call and see of they have a demo 505. If you can read that then you can read the Kindle. Or I should say if the contrast ratio is high enough for you.
This is a good point that you bring up, and is certainly one of my big concerns. However, I have already gone to a borders book store to look at sony's 505. The nice thing was that they had the demo hooked up right underneath a good light so I could see what it was like. I couldn't read the text even on the largest font size (which really isn't big at all) but I could easily see the difference between the text and the background. I also intend on only using it in well lit areas such as outside and in the classroom. But I guess I won't really know until I actually use one. I know that I won't be trying to use the thing at night in bed with a flashlight.
I intend on getting an ebook reader anyway and if it doesn't work out I will just send it back, but this could be really good information for other visually impaired people who would like to try something besides audio books to read from. When I decide on a device (I am leaning toward the Cybook because of its font size adjustment and text features) I will buy it, use it for a few days, and then post a review up about my findings that are specific for the visually impaired.
Thanks to everyone who gave me such good information and advice on this thread, it has been very helpful in helping me make a decision on a device!
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