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mdibella
12-17-2007, 11:36 AM
Is there any way to edit the metadata for files on the Kindle? I used mobipocket reader and set all the titles/authors (I thought) but when moved to Kindle, that metadata is not set.

Also I found out that using mobipocket reader to move books to Kindle doea not work right. it moves them to the ebook folder on the Kindle, but in order for the Kindle to see them, they must reside in the documents folder. sigh

bwit
12-17-2007, 02:05 PM
Is there any way to edit the metadata for files on the Kindle? I used mobipocket reader and set all the titles/authors (I thought) but when moved to Kindle, that metadata is not set.

I set the metadata in Mobipocket Creator and then just copy the .prc files to the Kindle documents folder via USB and the title author info works fine. I don't use Mobipocket Reader to update the Kindle.

Bob

mdibella
12-17-2007, 03:13 PM
So you use mobipocket creator and not mobipocket reader to convert the books? I used the Reader import function.

Will try the other way and see if it helps, be a pita to reconvert everything but I hate having the titles and authors all screwedm up.

Just4Fun
12-17-2007, 10:13 PM
The problem that I have with Mobicreator is that the files have to be converted from a format other than prc in order to set the metadata. So, if you have a prc file, you can't load it into the creator and change the metadata. At least, I can't get that to work.

You're sure right about the messy directory file system on the Kindle. It drives me crazy.:eek: I hope that they will address some of that in future software updates.

tklaus
12-19-2007, 01:10 PM
Also I found out that using mobipocket reader to move books to Kindle doea not work right. it moves them to the ebook folder on the Kindle, but in order for the Kindle to see them, they must reside in the documents folder. sigh

Note that the Kindle will detect books in the 'documents' folder, AND any folders under 'documents', so you can create any directory structure you want (including nested sub-folders). Kindle will still display them as a flat list, but I find it convenient to organize my directory structure so that when I am transferring via USB, I know what's what.

ctitanic
12-21-2007, 07:48 AM
Note that the Kindle will detect books in the 'documents' folder, AND any folders under 'documents', so you can create any directory structure you want (including nested sub-folders). Kindle will still display them as a flat list, but I find it convenient to organize my directory structure so that when I am transferring via USB, I know what's what.

And in the SD Card, do you have to create a Documents folder too?

bwit
12-21-2007, 09:10 AM
And in the SD Card, do you have to create a Documents folder too?

When I inserted a SD card in mine the Kindle detected the card and created the directories. If you were setting up a card to send content to someone with a Kindle I imagine you'd have to create the directories yourself.

Bob

Jiiri
12-24-2007, 09:33 AM
Hi all, first post here. I just purchased a Kindle, and am loving it. I've been playing with a lot of things, trying to get a feel for what I can do, and I'm having some issues with the metadata as well. As Just4Fun mentioned, the Kindle's handling of the metadata for its book browser just sucks. When I grab books from different places, such as PG or Feedbooks (or...where is that other place.....oh yeah, here) it shows up on my Kindle as, say, MILL_UTILITARIANISM for one, and maybe just the book title, "A Tale of Two Cities" for another, and so on. This is becoming increasingly more annoying as I add more and more books to my Kindle. I'd like to open them and make them uniform, in the format "Dickens, Charles - A Tale of Two Cities," etc. Would BD be the where I need to go? I cannot open an already created PRC in Mobi Creator, so I'm at a bit of a loss. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

HarryT
12-24-2007, 11:28 AM
I am gradually reposting all my Dickens books in "proper" Mobi format with full-sized images, metadata, etc. If you have my old ones, redownload them - they'll look a lot better AND should should up with full metadata in the Kindle's library.

Jiiri
12-24-2007, 01:03 PM
Thanks, HarryT, I'll check that out. But the problem is something I would like to learn to fix on my own, since some books are from PG or other places, and I want to be able to find them on the Kindle easily.

Also...on the Kindle, there is a place for Title, and, on the books from the Kindle store, the author is on the right. If you don't have a Kindle, I can take a picture or something to show you. What I would be extremely interested in doing is making all of the public domain material match the Amazon material. Any ideas where that comes from, or which program I would use for that?

Again thanks...do you have a link to a book that you have updated so I could check it out? Thanks!

Jiiri

HarryT
12-24-2007, 01:08 PM
Jiiri,

Take a look at the tutorial I've posted on creating MobiPocket books here (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17914).

For a book with "proper" metadata (and nice pictures) try this version of Bleak House (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12763).

Do you not read the "MobiPocket Book Uploads" forum area? That's the place to go for info about creating Mobi-format books.

Jiiri
12-24-2007, 01:20 PM
I checked out your new versions, and that is PERFECT. Could I trouble you to teach me how you do that? I've spent the last 3 days playing around with Book Designer and Mobi Creator trying to figure it out, and have not been able to accomplish that. You are a wizard.

EDIT:

You posted the answers to my questions before I asked them. As I said, I'm brand new to this and it's a decent learning curve, so my apologies for being in the wrong place. I'll head over there immediately. I'll check out that tutorial ASAP.

tompe
12-24-2007, 04:47 PM
Thanks, HarryT, I'll check that out. But the problem is something I would like to learn to fix on my own, since some books are from PG or other places, and I want to be able to find them on the Kindle easily.


My tool mobi2mobi written in Perl (should work for Mac, Windows and Linux and a Windows binary is available) described here:

http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17718

should work for the Kindle also. It can add or change author, cover image and long title for books.

It would be very good if somebody tested it for the Kindle and gave some feedback if it works or not. I do not have any awz files to test it with.

HarryT
12-25-2007, 02:52 AM
Should work just fine, Tommy. Kindle files are just v4 Mobi files.

tsgreer
12-26-2007, 12:02 PM
My tool mobi2mobi written in Perl (should work for Mac, Windows and Linux and a Windows binary is available) described here:

http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17718

should work for the Kindle also. It can add or change author, cover image and long title for books.

It would be very good if somebody tested it for the Kindle and gave some feedback if it works or not. I do not have any awz files to test it with.

Um, I have no idea how to use Perl on my mac. I'm not even close to wanting to learn any sort of programming thingy--regardless of how "easy" it is. I am more of a "double-click to unstuff, drag to applications folder, start application" sort of guy.

The whole drama of downloading several apps and trying to get them to talk to each other is too much of a reminder of my PC days. But it does sound like a cool app and it's nice to see some mac .prc creator stuff out there.

But I can't use until it's a simple application file...:o

geoelectric
01-12-2008, 04:29 PM
Way late in the discussion, but I used mobi2mobi last night to add title/author data to a BAEN free download for my Kindle. Worked great. However, this was a Mobi PRC->mobi conversion, not an azw file.

Hawk
05-14-2009, 08:41 PM
Editing metadata for azw files is problematic. I tried on both mac and windows platforms using mobi2mobi command line and GUI, no joy due to crashes at conversion.

Anyway, if you want the cover, author, title, etc to all stick and work well with the Kindle, here is one way. This also lets you reconstruct the metadata painlessly using online searching. You will need to end up with kindle-compatible .MOBI files instead of .AZW files - but who cares as long as they work great on your Kindle?

1. Download Calibre (its free and open source)
2. Use Calibe to (relatively) automatically reconstruct book title, author, series, book# in series, and Cover image from your files.
3. Save file as a .MOBI in from Calibre (you can use the convert option with output formatted for Kindle, but save as a .MOBI, not .AZW.)
4. Drop the .MOBI files in your kindle's documents directory.
5. Presto! Title, Author, Cover, etc all formatted correctly within the Kindle. :2thumbsup

aru
11-04-2009, 02:22 PM
I am trying to edit the metadata with Calibre on my Kindle DX, but double clicking on the author (or any other field for that matter) does not do anything.
It worked fine when I was still using a Sony 505.

Does anybody have a solution?

quettandil
09-05-2010, 10:23 PM
Anyway, if you want the cover, author, title, etc to all stick and work well with the Kindle, here is one way. This also lets you reconstruct the metadata painlessly using online searching. You will need to end up with kindle-compatible .MOBI files instead of .AZW files - but who cares as long as they work great on your Kindle?

1. Download Calibre (its free and open source)
2. Use Calibe to (relatively) automatically reconstruct book title, author, series, book# in series, and Cover image from your files.


As far as I can tell from my own experience thus far, Calibre works great with one caveat -- you really need to fix the metadata BEFORE you make any notes or marks on your Kindle. In Mobipocket Reader you can make new notes and your Kindle will recognize the book or document as still being the same book or document you started with, but in Calibre when you edit metadata you then have to add it back onto your Kindle, losing all your notes and marks in the process. For most people, fixing the title and author first thing probably isn't a big issue, but it's something to be aware of.

And if anyone knows how to work around this caveat, I'd be grateful -- I'm a writer and I'd like to keep old drafts of my novels on my Kindle, as it's nice to have one backup that's so usable and easy to read. Unfortunately, I can't save my latest draft that way, because I didn't realize the title issue when I put it on my Kindle and it's just titled by the name of my novel. I thought I would change it to the draft name later. And since saving the annotations is the whole point of the way I have my draft system set up, I don't want to delete those, either.


(In my pre-Kindle days, I'd print out a draft of a novel, edit it with red pen, and later file it away labeled as, say, Draft 2-3 -- Draft 2 for the original printout and Draft 3 for all the handwritten edits which turn it into the new Draft 3 on my computer. I wouldn't necessarily go back and look at old versions a ton, but it's nice knowing they're backed up in one more way and I can see changes at a glance if I want to. Thus far I've only used Microsoft's track changes feature for edits I enter directly into my computer, with no paper intermediary. Now that I have a Kindle the original document is like the original printout and my annotations are like my red pen. It's much easier to move those edits back into my computer, while I keep the increased productivity from being able to do my editing anywhere and not having to psych myself up for a long session at a keyboard. And if I wanted to add a whole scene or something I could just use Mobipocket. I wanted to save those files the same way as my old paper ones, as Draft 2-3 etc., and I still can I guess... just not my latest draft, at least, not on my Kindle.)

ATDrake
09-05-2010, 10:33 PM
The Kindle annotations actually go by filename, not necessarily the book title. I don't know if Calibre generates a new file with an altered name (I use mobi2mobi and effectivly edit things in place), but usually renaming the .mbp file so that it's got the same filename as the .mobi should keep the annotations.

At least, that's always worked for me with the Baen Free Library books which I've started to read, noticed the author field was wonky, fixed, and put a fresh copy back on the Kindle to continue.

You can also output them to plain text using the MBP Reader Perl script (http://www.angelfire.com/ego2/idleloop/mbp_reader.html) which someone has very kindly whipped up.

quettandil
09-09-2010, 10:59 AM
I don't know if Calibre generates a new file with an altered name (I use mobi2mobi and effectivly edit things in place), but usually renaming the .mbp file so that it's got the same filename as the .mobi should keep the annotations.

Thank you! Calibre does generate a new file -- first you can edit the metadata, but unlike Mobipocket Reader and apparently mobi2mobi, the only way it seems to communicate to the Kindle that anything's been edited is to click on "Send to device" -- but all you have to do to keep the annotations with the new file is to rename the .mbp file, like you said. I don't know why I didn't think of that, unless it's just that trying to change the title on the Kindle by editing the file names directly was so unsuccessful that I was on a don't-edit-file-names-it-won't-work kick. But whatever. Thanks!