View Full Version : Just got my Kindle, and yes, it's better than the Sony Reader.


WilliamG
12-04-2007, 10:32 PM
And I own two Reader PRS-500s (wifey and me).

Got my Kindle this evening. It really is as good as everyone says. Pretty much all my complaints about the Reader are solved:

Things I didn't like about the Reader:

1.) Craptastic software.
2.) Tiny page buttons.
3.) Overpriced books
4.) Zero software implementation - i.e. you pretty much literally couldn't do anything but click next page or previous page.
5.) The harshness of the font. Somehow all the fonts were "jaggy" and "harsh" to look at. And only 3 sizes. Easily made more, since I often couldn't find the right-sized font.
6.) No Mac support. I own a Mac. Problem! Having to dual-boot is a pain.
7.) Metal finish on the Reader = COLD, and also my page-turning finger would always sweat on it. Not pleasant. At all.
8.) The annoyance of having to call Sony every time I re-install my OS if I'd forgotten to de-register my computer from the Connect store beforehand.

Amazon won this one. Hands down. And you should have seen me gush over the Reader before/when it came out. I gushed thinking of what Sony could do in the next year from October 2006 (PRS-500 release date?). What did Sony do? Well...they broke the battery indicator in the PRS-500 after a few months, and then...uh...months later, they fixed it. Go...Sony? :smack:

But the Kindle isn't as sexy as the Reader! All of a sudden I don't care anymore. Amazing... - functionality over form wins out.

Anyway, back to reading the NYT!

tsgreer
12-05-2007, 11:12 AM
....Got my Kindle this evening. It really is as good as everyone says. Pretty much all my complaints about the Reader are solved....

Hey welcome to the Kindle side. I have a Mac as well so I totally agree that it's much more Mac friendly. There is a lot of hatin' going on regarding the Kindle lately, so before the flames begin, I wanted to say congrats on finally getting it. :)

sfernald
12-05-2007, 11:29 AM
Congrats too. I felt (and still feel) exactly the way you do.

WilliamG
12-05-2007, 11:33 AM
I'm not completely blind, of course. The Kindle is not perfect. I feel like I have to hold the Kindle quite low in my left hand so I can hit the next-page button, and it really is a pretty ugly device. :D But, the reading experience is much better, and the software is ace. And that scroll bar - what the heck technology is that? :D

NatCh
12-05-2007, 11:35 AM
Well, numbers 2, 5, and part of 6 went away with the 505, and 3 changed when Amazon beat down the prices for everyone else, but the important thing is that you've found a device that works for you, and I'm very glad for you on that score! :yes:

WilliamG
12-05-2007, 11:39 AM
Well, numbers 2, 5, and part of 6 went away with the 505, and 3 changed when Amazon beat down the prices for everyone else, but the important thing is that you've found a device that works for you, and I'm very glad for you on that score! :yes:

Well 6 didn't change completely, as some book prices are still messed up, and no Mac support for the 500 still is just mad. But yes, quite happy with my little fire. :)

crionox
12-05-2007, 11:48 AM
Well, numbers 2, 5, and part of 6 went away with the 505, and 3 changed when Amazon beat down the prices for everyone else, but the important thing is that you've found a device that works for you, and I'm very glad for you on that score! :yes:

6 is still a problem until they make their Connect software for Mac, which I don't see happening. Until then, store purchases appear to be a PC-only affair (or PC-emulation-only). Granted, you can manage open files through the USB mass storage mode, but that doesn't help if you're looking to buy items from the Connect store.

This was one of the main things that swayed me over to the Kindle. I am currently running Parallels on my Mac, but my older version doesn't support USB (or at least it hasn't worked for me yet), which leaves the store/software unusable for me unless I pay for the Parallels update. At that point, the Kindle isn't really any more expensive (and way more convenient)...

David

NatCh
12-05-2007, 12:03 PM
6 is still a problem until they make their Connect software for Mac, which I don't see happening. Until then, store purchases appear to be a PC-only affair (or PC-emulation-only).That's exactly what I was thinking of when I said only part of #6 was addressed. :yes: Putting content straight on via USB on a MacPuter is a step up from what the 500 allowed, but only a small one. :shrug:

The Kindle solution is clearly better in that respect for non-windows users. The Cybook Gen3 gets on quite well with non-windows machines to, as I understand it, but for straight ease of getting content (assuming the content they have is the content you want), wireless delivery is a hard act to follow. :nice:

dugbug
12-05-2007, 01:56 PM
Well I don't think anyone will argue on #2 compared to the kindle's :)

NatCh
12-05-2007, 02:31 PM
Well I don't think anyone will argue on #2 compared to the kindle's :)True, the Kindle's buttons are just huge, of course, some have found them to be too large, so .... :shrug:

I was trying to point out that the 505's buttons are probably ~8 times the size of the 500's, by surface area, that's all. :nice:

WilliamG
12-07-2007, 12:08 AM
I just want to know why the left Previous Page button is so darn big. The Next Page button should be bigger. Silly...

Alisa
12-07-2007, 12:17 AM
I just want to know why the left Previous Page button is so darn big. The Next Page button should be bigger. Silly...

True. They could shrink that thing up and have more grab space on the side. I don't know why the back button is the most convenient button on the right, either. Those are the two buttons I use least out of the four big ones.

WilliamG
12-07-2007, 06:22 PM
True. They could shrink that thing up and have more grab space on the side. I don't know why the back button is the most convenient button on the right, either. Those are the two buttons I use least out of the four big ones.

Right. I mean how useful IS a previous page button? I use it so occasionally it's a joke...

NatCh
12-07-2007, 07:10 PM
I think part of that depends a good deal on how easy it is to hit the "next page" button by accident. :wink:

AMacD
12-07-2007, 07:51 PM
I was holding off on the Sony Reader because of all the shortfalls mentioned here, plus Sony's reputation for lousy marketing. When the Kindle came along I ordered one. They sold out so fast that I had to wait for the second batch. It took 12 days to get mine. I have had it about 3 days and have 15 pages of books in the home section. So far I have spent $20 on books, none of them have DRM. The built in dictionary is fantastic. Never before have I had a dictionary along with me to look stuff up. I am also very impressed with the search feature. My only complaint so far is side buttons are so large that they are too easily pushed by accident. I think the next/previous buttons could easily be much smaller with more "grab space". I have recently had eye surgery and this thing is a real savior. One of the primary reasons I bought it was the ability to change the font to a larger size. Of those of you that say this is not a feature, wait until you are 75 years old to comment. I have a friend without a computer who is thinking of buying one for his wife that reads only large print books and who finds those hard to hold. I am a happy reader.:book2:

WilliamG
12-10-2007, 03:06 PM
OK, since nothing is perfect, these are my issues with the Kindle:

1.) If I download a sample, and then buy the book, why is the sample still there on my Kindle? I find that annoying.

2.) I can't find a way to delete (the samples, for example!), from the Kindle. Do you really have to connect it to the computer? I thought the whole point was no computer?

3.) I wish the right-side page turn button was the same angle as the left side - i.e. flat.

4.) The Sony Reader is positively sexy in comparison (still getting over this!)

5.) I wish the keyboard on the front could be covered somehow. They distract me while I'm reading. I like no distractions while I read.

6.) The enclosed case really is rubbish.

Even with all these faults, the Kindle is a remarkable first attempt from Amazon.

Alisa
12-10-2007, 03:17 PM
OK, since nothing is perfect, these are my issues with the Kindle:

1.) If I download a sample, and then buy the book, why is the sample still there on my Kindle? I find that annoying.

2.) I can't find a way to delete (the samples, for example!), from the Kindle. Do you really have to connect it to the computer? I thought the whole point was no computer?

3.) I wish the right-side page turn button was the same angle as the left side - i.e. flat.

4.) The Sony Reader is positively sexy in comparison (still getting over this!)

5.) I wish the keyboard on the front could be covered somehow. They distract me while I'm reading. I like no distractions while I read.

6.) The enclosed case really is rubbish.

Even with all these faults, the Kindle is a remarkable first attempt from Amazon.

1) I want it to put me in the new book at the same location where I left off in the sample, too.

2) Go to the Content Manager from the main menu. You can delete it there.

4) *sigh* I know. Ultimately I'll choose function over form but I'd prefer to have both.

5) A nifty little slide out keyboard like I have on my smartphone would rock.

6) The case is working pretty well for me now that the spine's a bit more bendy and the tab in the back isn't slipping out of its groove as much. I think that's also it flexing a bit with wear. This makes me worry that it'll just wear out in a while, though. I'm hoping for a better aftermarket case.

WilliamG
12-10-2007, 03:20 PM
1) I want it to put me in the new book at the same location where I left off in the sample, too.

2) Go to the Content Manager from the main menu. You can delete it there.

4) *sigh* I know. Ultimately I'll choose function over form but I'd prefer to have both.

5) A nifty little slide out keyboard like I have on my smartphone would rock.

6) The case is working pretty well for me now that the spine's a bit more bendy and the tab in the back isn't slipping out of its groove as much. I think that's also it flexing a bit with wear. This makes me worry that it'll just wear out in a while, though. I'm hoping for a better aftermarket case.

Thanks for the reply. I figured there's a way to delete from the Kindle, but I'm too lazy to figure it out myself. :D

I picked up my Reader PRS-500 yesterday in the brown suede case. Sony really got a nice design there (though not perfect, of course). Seriously Amazon! What the heck were they thinking? It really does look like they took awesome hardware and just couldn't decide what shell to put it in. Gen.2 will be an advancement I'm sure (unlike the PRS-505 for the most part).

Alisa
12-10-2007, 03:27 PM
Bezos said he wanted it to "disappear" in the hand and be booklike. I think that's why they went for the white color and that wedge shape. They wanted it to look like pages. The white reflects too much light back, though. The screen would actually be even more readable in a darker case. To me, it seems like they kept going down that conceptual road even after it was obvious that it was a bad idea. (Yeah, I know the FCC pics were unflattering but you'd thing they would've listen to all the hundreds of blog criticisms about how ugly the thing is.) I'm not a fan of the shape but I can see that maybe they were already too committed to change that. However, changing the color of an enclosure material isn't time consuming or expensive in manufacturing.

WilliamG
12-10-2007, 03:31 PM
Bezos said he wanted it to "disappear" in the hand and be booklike. I think that's why they went for the white color and that wedge shape. They wanted it to look like pages. The white reflects too much light back, though. The screen would actually be even more readable in a darker case. To me, it seems like they kept going down that conceptual road even after it was obvious that it was a bad idea. (Yeah, I know the FCC pics were unflattering but you'd thing they would've listen to all the hundreds of blog criticisms about how ugly the thing is.) I'm not a fan of the shape but I can see that maybe they were already too committed to change that. However, changing the color of an enclosure material isn't time consuming or expensive in manufacturing.

Bezos is simply wrong. While by no means massively uncomfortable, the shape needs work, without question. That left-side previous-page button is so big as to be plain ridiculous, as was mentioned earlier. Just madness. It really amazes me how some designs make it out of the concept phase...

zartemis
12-10-2007, 04:53 PM
I, also, think the samples->full book transition is poor, and the click-chain to delete anything is abysmal. They should really offer you the ability to delete it from any item's menu. These were some my first complaints on getting the book, actually. (Which was posted here (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16510))

Another major annoyance: it only saves your place in the book if you leave reading the book for the home screen (or other non-book-specific place). If you go to the TOC to look at the chapter list, you lose your place! They should really have some sort of "furthest read" bookmark that's sticky no matter how you read your book.

I've still been really lucky with my case, my Kindle hasn't fallen out yet, not even when I lift it slightly to toggle the wireless switch. And I don't even use Alisa's trick of wrapping the band on the corner of the Kindle.

Nate the great
12-10-2007, 05:04 PM
Another major annoyance: it only saves your place in the book if you leave reading the book for the home screen (or other non-book-specific place). If you go to the TOC to look at the chapter list, you lose your place! They should really have some sort of "furthest read" bookmark that's sticky no matter how you read your book.

I just tested it. The back button will do this.

NatCh
12-10-2007, 05:24 PM
Maybe that's why it's so big! :laugh4:

gregr209
12-10-2007, 05:43 PM
1) I want it to put me in the new book at the same location where I left off in the sample, too.

Amen! I would love to have it, after reading the sample book and purchasing it, put me right where I left off. That makes so much sense I can't believe they can't do it.

Greg

zartemis
12-10-2007, 07:38 PM
I just tested it. The back button will do this.

Ah, true for the case of wanting to go to TOC and back to reading again. Good point.

But not if you leave the book from the TOC and come back to it after reading other books, browsing the web, etc, so that the page you want is too far in the back queue to get to with reasonable levels of patience (and you better hope in your impatience you don't mistakenly pass it by, since there is no 'forward' button).

Update: Grrr. It's even worse, don't play with the back queue to see how far it goes. I'm reading 4 books concurrently and just lost my reading place in 2 of them since I played with the back queue for quite awhile and it found all the places I'd left off reading several iterations back and now thinks those are the last read place. Ick, ick, ick. Curiosity isn't always a good thing. :smack:

BTW, NatCh, the "back" button is a small one. The "prev page" is the one unusually large.

tsgreer
12-11-2007, 11:34 AM
Update: Grrr. It's even worse, don't play with the back queue to see how far it goes. I'm reading 4 books concurrently and just lost my reading place in 2 of them since I played with the back queue for quite awhile and it found all the places I'd left off reading several iterations back and now thinks those are the last read place. Ick, ick, ick. Curiosity isn't always a good thing....

Honestly I find it easier to just "alt - b" and bookmark every time I leave a page, it's fast and I don't have to worry about losing my page when I go checking out other books...

Nate the great
12-11-2007, 11:55 AM
Honestly I find it easier to just "alt - b" and bookmark every time I leave a page, it's fast and I don't have to worry about losing my page when I go checking out other books...

I didn't know this. You should add it to the tip sticky.

This actually is the third way to bookmark a page.

zartemis
12-11-2007, 12:42 PM
I didn't know this [alt-B]. You should add it to the tip sticky.

It's already there (posted on 11/28). :)

tklaus
12-15-2007, 09:09 PM
Bezos is simply wrong. While by no means massively uncomfortable, the shape needs work, without question. That left-side previous-page button is so big as to be plain ridiculous, as was mentioned earlier. Just madness. It really amazes me how some designs make it out of the concept phase...

Well, that's a matter of opinion. I really like the shape and the large buttons. It allows me to hold it in a variety of positions, with either hand, and always easily reach one of the buttons. I always keep it in the cover, which makes it possible to hold it at the top left with one hand, and still hit the next page button. Or I can slide my left hand down, hold it near the bottom, and hit the next page button with my index finger. Same goes for holding it with my right hand only. I find it to be very functional.

My only complaints are the color (I wish it were darker), and that it takes too much force to click the roller wheel.

Ervserver
12-16-2007, 12:57 AM
no matter what the shape there will be people who dislike the physical part of the Kindle. If these things take off I can see an after market for all sorts of cases and such for these.

runciter
12-24-2007, 10:52 PM
Wow. I actually like the big previous page button... in fact, I think it is annoying that there isn't a previous page button on the right side. I always keep it in the cover and generally hold it with my right hand and have to switch to two hands to go to the previous page. It would be interesting to have snapshots of how people held their Kindles (what with a picture being worth...)

I do agree with everyone that when you buy a book after reading the sample, it should delete the sample and then bookmark you at the same point of the full book.

JSWolf
01-02-2008, 09:51 AM
When you say the Kindle is better then the Sony Reader, you need to specify which model Sony Reader. It've very possible to say the Kindle is better then the 500, but not the 505. In my opinion, I don't find the Kindle better then the 505 based on what I have read of the Kindle. But I can say it may be better then the 500. So please don't use generalities when specifying Sony. Be specific. We need specific model numbers these days given that there are TWO reader models.

Alisa
01-02-2008, 02:12 PM
For me, the Kindle is better than both. It comes down to feature set. The ability to search was a high priority item for me. Both Sony products were unacceptable to me without it. Now if that's not important to you, the Sony has it's own advantages. It's lighter, sleeker and less expensive. "Better" is relative, however there aren't many improvements of the 505 over the 500 that the Kindle doesn't also have.

Ervserver
01-02-2008, 04:23 PM
Its best to have one of each, then you can enjoy all the benefits. :)

Sparrow
01-02-2008, 04:59 PM
Its best to have one of each, then you can enjoy all the benefits. :)

I think, if I did that, I'd end up either chopping and changing continuously between the two (imitating 'Buridan's ass'); or just stick with one, and keep the other in the back of a drawer somewhere.

I need to limit my choices to stop me tormenting myself :eek: