View Full Version : NYT's Pogues on Kindle: 'Wow'


Alexander Turcic
11-26-2007, 09:49 PM
The famous tech journalist David Pogue of the New York Times has put in his official two cents about the Amazon Kindle. His verdict: the screen is "astonishing", Whispernet will "rock your world", and instant book downloading is a bliss. But the device design... needs improvement. David Pogue says:

So if the Kindle isn't a home run, it's at least an exciting triple. It gets the important things right: the reading experience, the ruggedness, the super-simple software setup. And that wireless instant download -- wow.

Even though most people will prefer the feel, the cost and the simplicity of a paper book, the Kindle is by far the most successful stab yet at taking reading material into the digital age.

No, it's not the last word in book reading. But once its price comes down and its design gets sleeker, the Kindle may be the beginning of a great new chapter.

Full review: Link (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/22/technology/personaltech/22pogue.html?_r=1&oref=slogin)

Don't forget to visit the Kindle forums (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=140) for more hands-on reports from our members. :thumbsup:

PS: Just discovered another great hands-on (http://jkontherun.blogs.com/jkontherun/2007/11/hands-on-impres.html) from our friends over at jkOnTheRun.

arivero
11-27-2007, 09:52 AM
"astonishing" after, how many, four years in the market?

ajju
11-27-2007, 11:09 AM
arivero: So it is with the 'famous' reviewers, they don't review technology till it hits the mainstream. In his defense however, Pogue gave a similar (though slightly less enthusiastic) mixed review to the Sony Reader in October 2006. Quoting him about the screen:

The reading experience is pleasant, natural and nothing like reading a computer screen.

Here's a link (http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/12/technology/12pogue.html?_r=1&n=Top/News/Business/Small%20Business/Operations&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin) to the review.

rflashman
11-27-2007, 12:43 PM
As much as I like the NYT they should be careful about these reviews when they have a vested financial interest in the success of this device over any other, as it is the only device they sell their newspaper on.

Azayzel
11-27-2007, 12:43 PM
lol, it's amazing what a lot of PR money can get you. IMO the Kindle hasn't done anything Bookeen, Sony, Hanlin, and iRex haven't already done short of the integrated wireless subscription service. I personally don't need a keyboard on my books and don't really need the wireless either, provided the device accepts some form or removable media to get content on it. Lastly, the physical design is just too busy and clunky for my taste; perhaps they should have teamed up with Apple or Bang & Olufsen on the design front? But like I said, all this doesn't really matter if you can buy reviews... I mean if you have deep PR pockets :D

Nate the great
11-27-2007, 12:54 PM
lol, it's amazing what a lot of PR money can get you. IMO the Kindle hasn't done anything Bookeen, Sony, Hanlin, and iRex haven't already done short of the integrated wireless subscription service.

Can the 505, Hanlin, or Cybook provide a searchable index of the contents of my ebooks? The Kindle can.

Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse but this is the killer app.

Alisa
11-27-2007, 01:06 PM
Can the 505, Hanlin, or Cybook provide a searchable index of the contents of my ebooks? The Kindle can.

Sorry if I'm beating a dead horse but this is the killer app.

Yep. It is for me, too. People keep making a big deal out of the wireless. It's great for road warriors and people who commute on transit (which is why it's a mobile phone technology rather than WiFi :deadhorse:). I'm neither. I could be quite happy without the wireless. It's nice, especially with Wikipedia support, but not the big draw. I wanted search. That was the biggest thing that set this apart for me from the Cybook. I was very close to just settling for having dictionary search because I really wanted a reader but I was hoping they'd add content search later.

dugbug
11-27-2007, 01:14 PM
IMO the Kindle hasn't done anything Bookeen, Sony, Hanlin, and iRex haven't already done short of the integrated wireless subscription service.

And yet it complements the device so well. Makes the Sony look like a car without air conditioning.

-d

radleyp
11-27-2007, 01:36 PM
Both the search and wireless download are included in the Ereader application that can be installed (free, as you no doubt remember) on just about any smartphone or wireless pda.

Alisa
11-27-2007, 01:39 PM
Both the search and wireless download are included in the Ereader application that can be installed (free, as you no doubt remember) on just about any smartphone or wireless pda.

Of course. But they don't have e-ink screens. I have a PDA with a larger screen than most. It kinda sucks for reading IMO. Plus the battery life is horrible. It wouldn't last me a decent plane ride without a recharge.

jasonkchapman
11-27-2007, 02:41 PM
And yet it complements the device so well. Makes the Sony look like a car without air conditioning.

I don't know if I'd go that far. Maybe like a car without one of those backup rearview video camera gizmos.

Steven Lyle Jordan
11-27-2007, 02:49 PM
As much as I like the NYT they should be careful about these reviews when they have a vested financial interest in the success of this device over any other, as it is the only device they sell their newspaper on.

Why do you think they did the review?

radleyp
11-27-2007, 03:37 PM
"As much as I like the NYT they should be careful about these reviews when they have a vested financial interest in the success of this device over any other, as it is the only device they sell their newspaper on.

I think that in this case that's a non-issue, since the NYT now offers its online edition free, so I am assuming the money is not going to them. Pogue, BTW, reviews whatever he thinks is important, and if I can fault him for something, it's that too often he reviews products without really testing them in real life, making his reviews sound like puff pieces (though not this one, I think).

rflashman
11-27-2007, 03:55 PM
I think that in this case that's a non-issue, since the NYT now offers its online edition free, so I am assuming the money is not going to them. Pogue, BTW, reviews whatever he thinks is important, and if I can fault him for something, it's that too often he reviews products without really testing them in real life, making his reviews sound like puff pieces (though not this one, I think).

No, the NYT charges for their electronic non-web editions. About the same monthly price for their Vista Reader, Electronic Fat Client, and Flash Client versions. So I am pretty sure they are getting a cut from the Amazon version. They have never allowed re-distribution without a cut ($$).

rflashman
11-27-2007, 03:59 PM
Why do you think they did the review?

Exactly, I agree 100%. Don't get me wrong, I love my Kindle and I love the New York Times. But I don't see the Miami Herald, Washington Post, or Chicago Tribune writing 3+ glowing positive reviews on the Kindle.

The New York Times has 60+ staffed department for their Electronic editions who for years have produced Flash-based, fat-client based, and PDF versions of their paper. More recently they have been producing the Vista Reader edition. So it was *their* choice not to produce versions for any previous electronic reader. They could have offered a version for the Sony Reader or any other reader of their choice.

But they instead choose the Kindle as their first and ONLY supported eReader and now are writing positive review after positive review promoting it. Again, I love my Kindle and the Times. But it sure makes me feel bad about how low the NYT has fallen.

radleyp
11-27-2007, 04:06 PM
I am confused here, Flashman. I have a MotoQ, and if via my browser, I go to NYT Mobile, I get the news, and at no charge. It used to cost to get the opinion portions and certain other portions too, but not now. I do note, however, that if I want to get the Times on a Verizon phone, I have to pay Verizon (not the NYT) $2.99 a month.

rflashman
11-27-2007, 04:44 PM
I am confused here, Flashman. I have a MotoQ, and if via my browser, I go to NYT Mobile, I get the news, and at no charge. It used to cost to get the opinion portions and certain other portions too, but not now. I do note, however, that if I want to get the Times on a Verizon phone, I have to pay Verizon (not the NYT) $2.99 a month.

The NYT Web & Mobile Web versions are free (ad supported). Is Verizon charging you to browse their mobile site or for some sort of 'downloaded' package?

NYT Web is also free via the Kindle web browser if you feel like browsing it that way. Just browse to http://mobile.nytimes.com/

Alisa
11-27-2007, 06:15 PM
I am confused here, Flashman. I have a MotoQ, and if via my browser, I go to NYT Mobile, I get the news, and at no charge. It used to cost to get the opinion portions and certain other portions too, but not now. I do note, however, that if I want to get the Times on a Verizon phone, I have to pay Verizon (not the NYT) $2.99 a month.

If Verizon is automatically delivering it and billing you, that doesn't mean they aren't kicking money back to NYT for it. I don't know what their deal is specifically, but just because they're the ones billing you doesn't mean they are the only ones getting money.

radleyp
11-27-2007, 06:18 PM
I use NYTMobile, and since I have a Verizon data plan, pay nothing for NYT itself. As you note, it is ad-supported anyhow. And you can also get NYT via email.

radleyp
11-29-2007, 01:08 PM
Flashman, for a completely opposite take on the Kindle, see Walt Mossberg in today's WSJ: he liked the book delivery mechanism, and hated everything else from the design he considers awkward and inefficient and software which he finds confusing. Isn't the WSJ also available for the Kindle?

rflashman
11-29-2007, 02:47 PM
Flashman, for a completely opposite take on the Kindle, see Walt Mossberg in today's WSJ: he liked the book delivery mechanism, and hated everything else from the design he considers awkward and inefficient and software which he finds confusing. Isn't the WSJ also available for the Kindle?

Good review, I must say I agree overall with his review, except I don't think he's yet to grasp how truly revolutionary the electronic delivery is, when compared to any other reader.