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halljames
11-22-2007, 04:42 AM
Is it just me, or does anyone think the kindle is really ugly. It looks like a 5 year old product. Just a thought.

HarryT
11-22-2007, 04:49 AM
You obviously haven't looked at this forum previously :)

All anyone had to say about the Kindle until a couple of weeks ago was how amazingly ugly it was, and that they would never in a million years buy anything so horrible-looking. Now it's been released it is, seemingly, suddenly the best thing since the proverbial sliced bread.

Public opinion is a fickle thing indeed...

TadW
11-22-2007, 05:09 AM
While the Kindle is not a head turner like the iPhone, it seems to do a good job for what it was made for. As people are starting to realize this, they care less about its bad looks ;)

FixB
11-22-2007, 06:41 AM
It's not the bad look that would make me run away, but the ratio of the screen size vs the global size is ridiculous for a dedicated reader.
I never needed a big keyboard to read.....

tsgreer
11-22-2007, 11:35 AM
You obviously haven't looked at this forum previously :)

All anyone had to say about the Kindle until a couple of weeks ago was how amazingly ugly it was, and that they would never in a million years buy anything so horrible-looking. Now it's been released it is, seemingly, suddenly the best thing since the proverbial sliced bread.

Public opinion is a fickle thing indeed...

Well I don't know if it's just about being fickle. I think the old pre-release FCC photo was a very bad shot of it. Now people have seen different views via the advertising and videos and maybe realize it doesn't look as bad as they thought.

And I have showed several people around the office and no one has mentioned that it's ugly or looked strange. Most people want to hold it and think it's cool. Granted, they aren't techie people at all, they know how to check email on their computers and that's about it...:)

CCDMan
11-22-2007, 11:50 AM
Well I don't know if it's just about being fickle. I think the old pre-release FCC photo was a very bad shot of it.

Yes, that was indeed a huge part of it. I almost wonder if Amazon made that photo bad on purpose to keep the competition from worrying too much. <g>

I also wonder why folks really should care about the looks of a practical product intended for reading. Who are we trying to impress? I just want if to be usable, practical, and comfortable and could care less what people think it looks like.

Nate the great
11-22-2007, 11:53 AM
Yes, that was indeed a huge part of it. I almost wonder if Amazon made that photo bad on purpose to keep the competition from worrying too much. <g>

I also wonder why folks really should care about the looks of a practical product intended for reading. Who are we trying to impress? I just want if to be usable, practical, and comfortable and could care less what people think it looks like.

I don't think Amazon took those pictures. I think they were taken by the FCC for their records.

delphidb96
11-22-2007, 12:00 PM
You obviously haven't looked at this forum previously :)

All anyone had to say about the Kindle until a couple of weeks ago was how amazingly ugly it was, and that they would never in a million years buy anything so horrible-looking. Now it's been released it is, seemingly, suddenly the best thing since the proverbial sliced bread.

Public opinion is a fickle thing indeed...

That's because they couldn't *HOLD* one! Of course, not having a Kindle to caress, fondle, make sweet love to, I'm *STILL* of the opinion it is B*TT-UGLY!!! :D :D :D (Given I'm really, Really, REALLY low on income right now, I'm waiting for a Knight/Knightess in Shining Armor to buy one for me so I can 'suddenly and irrationally' change my opinion! Any Good Samaritans? :D )

Derek

tsgreer
11-22-2007, 12:13 PM
That's because they couldn't *HOLD* one! Of course, not having a Kindle to caress, fondle, make sweet love to, I'm *STILL* of the opinion it is B*TT-UGLY!!!

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I suppose. I mean, I have an ipod and many people talk about how elegant it is. Um, I like it being simple, but to me it's just a rectangle with rounded edges. I don't think it looks ugly, but I like how it functions. Same with the Kindle. I don't find it ugly at all and the only thing I didn't like in the FCC photo was the tan color.

To me it's a rectangle with a keyboard under it. The sony looks like a rectangle without a keyboard under it. :)

I was under the impression that you hated the Kindle so much because you are the NAEB guy :crowngrin

Alisa
11-22-2007, 01:16 PM
I think it looks better than the FCC photos but I still wouldn't call it attractive. I disagree with the materials choice and I'd probably alter the layout a bit, but while I appreciate elegant form, function will always be higher on the list for me and this device comes closest to having all the features that I want at a price I can justify.

montsnmags
11-22-2007, 08:20 PM
I don't find the Kindle ugly at all.

See, I've seen folks, including book store CEOs (eg. Dymocks) talk about people liking that "feel" of a dead-tree book, flicking through and caressing the pages. Now, the gods know I've done my fair share of caressing in my time ;) but I think when they refer to us book-buyers in that way, they surely can't be referring to the manufactured-down-to-a-cost plain old paperback. Sure, a new paperback is nice, but, at least for me, mostly in anticipation of it being...opened (mmm, the pleasure!). Its "build quality" and appearance, except for the occasionally impressive cover art, aren't its main feature. It's the content. Old and well-made new hardbacks are a different thing, of course. However, as any perusal of a brick-and-mortar store will show, the big money's in your low-rent pot-boiler paperbacks, pages soon to be creased as bookmarks, and spines broken. Their yellowing low-ish quality is both the pleasure and the downfall.

So, I don't see the Kindle as ugly, and here's why - to me, they've constructed something that has that potboiler, airport paperback, feel about it - yes, dated, and yes, plain, and just a tad clunky...sort of like a heavily-used paperback. Perhaps, in their eyes, and certainly to my aesthetic faculties, its design is aimed towards that, as "Keep buying more (new release) paperbacks" is what they have in mind for it. They're selling mostly to the eternal bookreader, or, rather, bookbuyer and just want to give you that comforting, traditional, slightly clunky, plain white appearance to ease the bookreaders into the idea, rather than hype the tech design folk who might just complain that it doesn't have any PDA software, that its MP3 player is rubbish, and that no video playback is just stupid. They don't want to go down the "compared to the iPod" route.

So, I don't think it's ugly...or, perhaps, I do, but "ugly" in that "ugly, used paperback" kind of way that makes me feel all warm and comfortable.

This is, of course, just my very, very humble opinion. As tsgreer reminds me, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I might just be talking through my USB port though. ;)

Cheers,
Marc

tsgreer
11-22-2007, 09:43 PM
So, I don't see the Kindle as ugly, and here's why - to me, they've constructed something that has that potboiler, airport paperback, feel about it - yes, dated, and yes, plain, and just a tad clunky...sort of like a heavily-used paperback. Perhaps, in their eyes, and certainly to my aesthetic faculties, its design is aimed towards that, as "Keep buying more (new release) paperbacks"

Very good analogy! It's a nice pulpy ebook reader. I've always been a paperback sorta guy...

delphidb96
11-22-2007, 10:57 PM
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder I suppose. I mean, I have an ipod and many people talk about how elegant it is. Um, I like it being simple, but to me it's just a rectangle with rounded edges. I don't think it looks ugly, but I like how it functions. Same with the Kindle. I don't find it ugly at all and the only thing I didn't like in the FCC photo was the tan color.

To me it's a rectangle with a keyboard under it. The sony looks like a rectangle without a keyboard under it. :)

I was under the impression that you hated the Kindle so much because you are the NAEB guy :crowngrin

Nope. Being the NAEB guy doesn't have anything to do with it. (Okay, being the NAEB guy has a *bit* to do with it. :D ) I'm just jealous (I don't have my own Kindle and have no spare cash for several (about six or seven) months to buy one out of my own pocket *AND* I'm extraordinarily *PISSED* that Amazon went with it's own AZW format! :angry:

I figure Amazon deciding to bribe me with a free Kindle will go a *LONG* way towards curing both symptoms. :D

Derek

drgnbear
11-22-2007, 11:46 PM
It's not just you, but I don't think it's ugly. Granted there's something Star Trek: The Motion Picture about it. But you may change your opinion once you hold it in your hand. It's a very tactile design. Not without flaws though. Others have noted how easy it is to change the page accidentally, but beyond that I don't find many flaws.

DaleDe
11-23-2007, 04:58 PM
It's not just you, but I don't think it's ugly. Granted there's something Star Trek: The Motion Picture about it. But you may change your opinion once you hold it in your hand. It's a very tactile design. Not without flaws though. Others have noted how easy it is to change the page accidentally, but beyond that I don't find many flaws.

Perhaps it is like the story about a Camel. It has been said that a Camel looks like it was designed by a committee.

Dale

Nate the great
11-23-2007, 05:13 PM
Perhaps it is like the story about a Camel. It has been said that a Camel looks like it was designed by a committee.

Dale

I think the joke is: "A camel is a horse designed by committee."

DaleDe
11-23-2007, 05:28 PM
I think the joke is: "A camel is a horse designed by committee."

Thanks, I knew it was something like that.

Dale

Nate the great
11-23-2007, 05:31 PM
"An elephant is a mouse built to government specification."

DaleDe
11-23-2007, 05:45 PM
"An elephant is a mouse built to government specification."

So, Is the Kindle designed by a committee or the government?

Dale

FourOhFour
11-23-2007, 06:00 PM
So, Is the Kindle designed by a committee or the government?

Yes.

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Loopy65
11-23-2007, 06:55 PM
Actually yes, I believe it's ugly (as far as ebook readers go) and I really dont like the idea of a keyboard .. if i want to go typing I have my laptop! ..

IMHO the reason that many people 'the public' are raving about it is because it's the first time most have seen an ebook reader 'in the flesh' and it's exciting! .. it's a very new technology (unless you're here at mobileread!) so everyone wants to try it ..

I do find myself feeling sorry for Bookeen and iRex in all this tho as the Kindle will sell (at least in part because it's 'amazon' and a known quantity) and yet there are probably gazillions (that's a number right?!) of people in the states who would be better suited to the iRex or Cybook but who havent even heard of them ..

Would be very interested to know if there has been any advertising stateside of any kind by Bookeen and iRex technologies? .. sorry, I know that's off topic but really curious here ..

All said tho *grin* if the Kindle arrived in the UK the thing that tempts me is the totally wireless/computer-less download capability .. sounds very cool ..

Loopy

SanAntone
11-23-2007, 07:14 PM
Loopy,

I've never seen any advertising for the irex or the bookeen. I haven't seen any for the sony reader either, but I know there is some out there.

The best thing for this industry is several companies all making competing ereaders. I hope Sony and the others stay in this game.

montsnmags
11-23-2007, 09:10 PM
I think the joke is: "A camel is a horse designed by committee."

In that case, if ever you see an ebook device called The Platypus run, don't walk,...away! ;)

Cheers,
Marc

DrMoze
11-23-2007, 09:24 PM
I find it amazing that some people try to rationalize the Kindle's 'ugly' design by saying it is like a worn book or somesuch. Pshaw. (Can't believe I typed that!) Both the Sony Reader and Bookeen are ebook devices that have a sleek, simple, attractive design. Amazon has no excuse for designing a klunky, cheap-looking (white plastic!) device that is not aesthetically appealing. (I don't buy the wedge shape either--I never fold pages back behind a book, and my books lie flat when read.) As nice as many of the features may be, and as well as it may work, they could have designed a nicer-looking product. There's no reason to justify a poor design.

vrf
11-23-2007, 09:39 PM
Amazon has no excuse for designing a klunky, cheap-looking (white plastic!) device that is not aesthetically appealing.

I thought aesthetics were mostly a matter of opinion. What absolutes are you appealing to here?

I personally like the Kindle design. A keyboard so I can search for terms in a book is an awesome feature, and I think the Kindle's implementation looks better than the Librie's.

Nate the great
11-23-2007, 09:50 PM
I thought aesthetics were mostly a matter of opinion. What absolutes are you appealing to here?

I personally like the Kindle design. A keyboard so I can search for terms in a book is an awesome feature, and I think the Kindle's implementation looks better than the Librie's.

I have one; he's right. It's ugly.

Amazon made several interesting design decisions in the shape of the Kindle (the way it is thicker on the left, the beveled lower corners, the tapered right edge). Each was a practical feature, but when assembled together on such a small device make the Kindle look ugly.

montsnmags
11-23-2007, 09:59 PM
I find it amazing that some people try to rationalize the Kindle's 'ugly' design by saying it is like a worn book or somesuch. Pshaw. (Can't believe I typed that!)

It's not about "rationalisation", or at least, not in the "amazed" pejorative sense you appear to intend. For some of us it is about figuring out why they would design it "ugly". Amazon are not stupid - any assumptions of stupidity are too easily applied to be helpful. It is somewhat about figuring out why they would take it down that route (and, for some, why that would appeal).

You can say "Pshaw" until the cows come home, but it doesn't change that Amazon have brought it out with that design, that some folks don't find it "ugly" (or at least they might find it "ugly" in that idiosyncratic away that has us call the wrinkled up little turd-on-legs known as E.T., "cute"), and that the thing seems to be selling quite well despite its rampant "ugliness".

Both the Sony Reader and Bookeen are ebook devices that have a sleek, simple, attractive design.

They are...nice. In the same way that the iPod is...nice. Yep, they're sleek, yes they're simple, yes they're "attractive" in a conventional kind of way. It's a whole lot of "pretty" going on following a current trend. Like folks who buy family sedans regardless of what they look like, and in colours that are selling cheap, or folks who buy Saab's and Volvo's in bright, screaming yellow because of the "Viva la UGLY" factor (apologies for the pseudo-French), some people just don't want to buy into the latest design "trend" or just don't care.

Amazon has no excuse for designing a klunky, cheap-looking (white plastic!) device that is not aesthetically appealing. (I don't buy the wedge shape either--I never fold pages back behind a book, and my books lie flat when read.) As nice as many of the features may be, and as well as it may work, they could have designed a nicer-looking product. There's no reason to justify a poor design.

Correct, there isn't. However, since you have defined "poor" as being "not aesthetically appealling", and since aesthetics are almost entirely subjective, and since the aesthetics of this device have not dissuaded them being sold in large numbers, your statement is only correct for a limited value of the word, "correct". You've provided good reasons why you, literally and figuratively "don't buy it", but they don't invalidate those of others.

You would appear to be trying to convince folk that it is ugly, and that if they differ in their opinion to you, they don't just have different opinions, but that they are wrong, and Amazon is wrong. That's an interesting ideological tact to take - good luck with that. You might want to consider that "worn book" observations and analogies have just as much value, and just as little, as your "clunky" observations.

I like the Sony Reader, and the Cybook, and the Iliad - their aesthetics follow current convention as to what constitutes an attractively-designed technological gizmo. I like the Kindle because it would appear to be differentiating itself from being just another attractively-designed technological gizmo; with devices merging towards the same thing and design (phones, UMPCs, MP3 players, PDAs, GPS units, tablet PCs), I don't mind a device coming out with the "I'm not one of them" idiosyncrasy. I'd rather see a "clunky"-looking device than something that looks like another iPod, for instance.

In the end though, it's another device that works well to read books on, and has practical features that appeal (even if it will never make its way to Oz). Not perfect, but none of them are. Appearances, to many, are secondary.

Cheers,
Marc

montsnmags
11-23-2007, 10:38 PM
(edited a whole lot of irrelevant crud posted due to insecurity). Essentially, it was "DrMoze is cool, and I might be ranting". :)

JSWolf
11-23-2007, 11:26 PM
Actually yes, I believe it's ugly (as far as ebook readers go) and I really dont like the idea of a keyboard .. if i want to go typing I have my laptop! ..

IMHO the reason that many people 'the public' are raving about it is because it's the first time most have seen an ebook reader 'in the flesh' and it's exciting! .. it's a very new technology (unless you're here at mobileread!) so everyone wants to try it ..

I do find myself feeling sorry for Bookeen and iRex in all this tho as the Kindle will sell (at least in part because it's 'amazon' and a known quantity) and yet there are probably gazillions (that's a number right?!) of people in the states who would be better suited to the iRex or Cybook but who havent even heard of them ..

Would be very interested to know if there has been any advertising stateside of any kind by Bookeen and iRex technologies? .. sorry, I know that's off topic but really curious here ..

All said tho *grin* if the Kindle arrived in the UK the thing that tempts me is the totally wireless/computer-less download capability .. sounds very cool ..

Loopy
A lot of people in the USA have no idea bout iRex of Bookeen. They may know of Sony, but given how easy it is to use the Kindle to get books, I think they'll go for the Kindle.

JSWolf
11-23-2007, 11:27 PM
I don't find the Kindle ugly. What I do find is that a number of people have said it's ergonomics need fixing as the page turn buttons are very easy to hit.

tsgreer
11-24-2007, 11:26 AM
I don't find it's ugly at all. The ergonomics is a little off though. If the buttons were shifted just a bit so you could hold it easier by it's edges, it would be easer.

Having said that though, the manuel does say that it's meant to be read with it's cover on. And with the cover on, you don't have all the button pushing problems. But the cover needs at least one more corner holder—it's sorta scary the way it is now and how it seems it will fall out of it. I'm gonna get a bit of velcro for the bottom corner and that should solve the problem.

After you get used to it, it's fine. But of course, you shouldn't HAVE to get used to something after spending $400 but I give them credit for TRYING something different with the design. Remember, Sony changed it's design with the 505, so the Kindle may evolve a bit too.

TallMomof2
11-24-2007, 02:12 PM
I don't think the Kindle is ugly at all but I spent my early adulthood on very old devices. (Commodore 64, first HP PC, Atari, the TI computer with the cassette tape drive, heck I even learned how to use a slide rule!) I also spent a large part of my college career hanging out in the computer lab feeding the card reader.

The Kindle has that kind of a retro feel to me. The only thing I'd change, right now, are the side buttons but I've already adapted to them.

DrMoze
11-24-2007, 10:16 PM
Just want to clarify--I don't want to come off as sounding hostile here (and already exchanged private messages with montsnmags just in case!), but c'mon, you gotta admit that the Kindle is not attractive compared to the more polished-looking, sleeker, Bookeen or Sony ebook devices. Right? (Maybe?) The white plastic case could have been designed to look a lot more appealing. (This isn't a knock on the Kindle's functionality, but honestly, put a Kindle next to a Cybook or a Reader and tell me which one is more ugly!) I frankly think Amazon blew it on the aesthetics. An ebook device with a keyboard can look *much* nicer imo.

UncleDuke
11-24-2007, 11:16 PM
i saw one yesterday, its kinda cute, easy to flip pages, good screen, sharp looking text, not too bad at all

montsnmags
11-25-2007, 07:41 AM
Just want to clarify--I don't want to come off as sounding hostile here (and already exchanged private messages with montsnmags just in case!), but c'mon, you gotta admit that the Kindle is not attractive compared to the more polished-looking, sleeker, Bookeen or Sony ebook devices. Right? (Maybe?)...

Okay, okay. I'll admit that, possibly, maybe, the Kindle is not "attractive" compared the the Bookeen or Sony. Gees, bend me over a barrel, why don't you? :D

(BTW, I didn't find you at all hostile - I was just worried I was coming off that way :) ).

Regardless, it would be nice if anyone sold a device in Oz, and I don't even mind if it looks like a Tandy TRS80 even! C'mon, Dymocks; announce your device already!

Cheers,
Marc

dugbug
11-25-2007, 08:01 AM
Its case is ugly, however its GUI menu system looks much more sophisticated and easier to use and its LCD/wheel/progress meter should be copied by other readers. Actually, I take that back.. I think a ZUNE2 squircle pad rather than a scroll wheel could be used, but the LCD escapes the awkward eink refresh delays for quick selection.

IMHO I think the keyboard is what throws the look off. The wedge design idea may work fine aesthetically. Perhaps they will learn to hide the keyboard like cell phones do (ie: slide it out) in a future iteration, but surely having a thumbboard for searches and notes is an advantage from a functional viewpoint.


-d

spooky69
11-28-2007, 08:38 PM
I was surprised by how well people seem to like the usability of it, as I'd imagined that aspect wouldn't be much better than the overall design. I can't fault them for anything except the fact that it can't be held by its sides (at least not comfortably). Isn't this a massive oversight by everybody involved? I'm sure the next version will have much a much better look/design, but I wouldn't even consider buying this thing until those side buttons were gone.

CCDMan
11-28-2007, 08:44 PM
Isn't this a massive oversight by everybody involved? I'm sure the next version will have much a much better look/design, but I wouldn't even consider buying this thing until those side buttons were gone.

Well, after using the Kindle for a couple days I have found the side buttons to be a non-issue. It LOOKS like they would be until you use one and find there are lots of ways to hold it that work fine. For example, you can hold your thumb right over the keyboard - in read mode those keys (two on opposite sides at the very bottom) do not do anything. Even those need to be pressed at the same time to unsleep.

As far as picking it up, normally you would not set it down for a very short time and if longer than that, it goes into sleep mode where picking it up any old way can't trigger the page turn as all the buttons but the unsleep buttons are disabled in sleep mode.

As far as ugly, as I have said elsewhere, it is a READER, not a painting or a sculpture so who cares what it looks like as long as it works well as a reader? Unless one is big into appearances and image to the exclusion of actual function, appearance should not matter much at all.

azog
11-28-2007, 09:01 PM
I agree with an earlier poster, my appeal was turned off by that early FCC photo. However, now that I actually have one in my hands, it looks nothing like that. It is attractive to me, and that's my opinion, because that's all that we're arguing about. Some people find it ugly, some have no opinion, and some might find it handsome.

Gameboy70
11-28-2007, 09:05 PM
The problem with the Kindle's design isn't just that it's ugly--it's amateurish (Scoble's take (http://www.kyte.tv/ch/6118-scobleizer-sponsored-by-seagate/77475-dear-jeff-bez#uri=channels/6118/77475) on the design flaws are spot on, IMO). A $400 device in 2007 should convey some sense of professionalism. A company the size of Amazon could certainly have afforded IDEO or another firm of the same caliber. That said, if search and free wireless were compelling enough features for me, I'd drop the $400 in spite of how it looks.

azog
11-28-2007, 09:20 PM
Well, I did a side-by-side visual comparison between the Kindle and the Cybook Gen3. My photos aren't the best. Heck, they're probably just as bad as the FCC photo! If you want to see a basic non-scientific comparison of sizes and general visual appearance:

http://www.azog.org/blog/?p=94

CCDMan
11-28-2007, 11:34 PM
A $400 device in 2007 should convey some sense of professionalism. A company the size of Amazon could certainly have afforded IDEO or another firm of the same caliber

Hmm, according to TWIT (http://twit.tv/), the designer also designed one of the Macbooks....

Whether or not it is "professional" is just another opinion of how it looks - that is to say whether it was designed "right" or "wrong". Still entirely a matter of opinion and nothing more. Since everyone has a different opinion and no one can be called an "expert" on aesthetics, this seems to be a pointless discussion.

If one does not like it, don't buy it. If one does like it, buy it. It will only live or die by sales, not by our forum opinions on appearance.

ginolee
11-29-2007, 12:50 AM
If you look at it in terms of functional aesthetics, I think it looks a lot better than if you looked at in terms of its physical appearance.

Here's what I see:
- backed by Amazon and its 90,000+ online ebooks. and the prices of the ebooks are significantly lower than their hardcopy counterparts, which is just common sense marketing.
- uses electronic ink and can last for a week on one charge.
- you can browse/buy books wireless via EVDO directly on the device.
- you can help cut down on your personal carbon footprint by buying ebooks over hardcopy versions.

This all looks pretty attractive to me. I'm not looking to display my Kindle like a work of art.

This being said, I think the next version should devote a little more energy to physical aesthetics as well.

:cool:

Gameboy70
11-29-2007, 01:53 AM
Whether or not it is "professional" is just another opinion of how it looks - that is to say whether it was designed "right" or "wrong". Still entirely a matter of opinion and nothing more. Since everyone has a different opinion and no one can be called an "expert" on aesthetics, this seems to be a pointless discussion.Let me reframe my comment in terms of adoption rate: (1) the overwhelming online consensus is that it's ugly ("it's really not that ugly" is the most common praise), (2) that consensus is extremely likely to mirror that of prospective buyers, (3) the fact that the Kindle's industrial design is criticized so frequently and vociferously (with Dvorak nowhere in sight!) makes appealing to absolutes in aesthetics irrelevant, (4) an unattractive product is less likely to sell than an attractive or even bland one, (5) the Kindle's advantages over existing E Ink readers will have to be that much more compelling to compensate for its design disadvantages.

I'm not arguing that the Kindle won't sell (entirely) on the basis of how it looks; just that it's going to be a harder sell.

If one does not like it, don't buy it. If one does like it, buy it. It will only live or die by sales, not by our forum opinions on appearance.Even in the unlikely event that the Kindle winds up selling in droves, discussing the design flaws of the current version may indirectly influence improvements in the next version.

HarryT
11-29-2007, 05:32 AM
I agree with an earlier poster, my appeal was turned off by that early FCC photo. However, now that I actually have one in my hands, it looks nothing like that.

Are you saying that the FCC photo was not of a real Kindle? It looks pretty much the same as the released device to me!

azog
11-29-2007, 06:24 AM
Are you saying that the FCC photo was not of a real Kindle? It looks pretty much the same as the released device to me!

No, but there was something about that photo which made it look other than it was. I can't exactly put my finger on it, but I was one of those who looked at one of the early leaked photos and said "eesh!". But when they actually showed the real device on Amazon, it was in context and better lighting that made it look better.

The original shot had no context, no real indication how big it was, and the lighting of the shot wasn't very appealing:

http://www.engadget.com/media/2006/09/amazon_kindle.jpg

When I saw that with the keyboard, I equated "keyboard" with big, which meant a big and bulky device.

But as I said, I'm sure my shots above do worse than better! I'm not a professional photographer; my "expertise" usually ends with photos for e-bay and blogging. But putting it in some sort of context helps, which is why I placed it side-by-side with the Cybook. One of the first shots I saw of the Cybook was it placed on top of looked like a book-club edition soft-cover (book-club editions are usually a little bigger than normally, but not as big as hard-cover), and that helped gain some sort of visual clues about it.

CCDMan
11-29-2007, 11:24 AM
...Dvorak nowhere in sight!...

Not surprisingly, he hated the Kindle (and gave that opinion w/o having touched one), but then he hates everything!

I listen to TWIT and sometimes Cranky Geeks and John is just getting annoying at this point. He hates almost everything - maybe he thinks it helps to promote himself or maybe he is just out of touch with tech reality. He is turning into a old fart luddite to the point that I no longer pay any attention to his opinion.

Gameboy70
11-29-2007, 01:50 PM
I didn't realize he did a Kindle review, though I should have expected it. I don't think anyone pays attention to Dvorak as a pundit; he's become the Don Rickles of tech journalism, and people read his invectives for their entertainment value rather than their insight.

I'll have to check out his review. It should be good for a few laughs.

CCDMan
11-29-2007, 02:45 PM
....I'll have to check out his review. It should be good for a few laughs.

His comments were on the TWIT #123 (http://twit.tv/twit) podcast from this past Monday....