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sarahw2275
11-20-2007, 09:35 AM
Has anyone ever used USA2ME, and one of the Virtual Credit Cards from money-around-the-world.com before? I really want a Kindle, but as I'm in the UK, it's the only way I can think of getting one. It's just I'm not really sure whether these services are any good. Yes I'm impatient, it really bugs me when things are for those in the US only. :)
Any advice would be appreciated.

Nate the great
11-20-2007, 09:42 AM
They won't ship outside the USA, even with a valid credit card. Sorry.

sarahw2275
11-20-2007, 09:49 AM
Hi Nate, With USA2Me, you get it shipped to their address in the US, and then they forward it to you wherever you are, in my case the UK.

HarryT
11-20-2007, 10:11 AM
I'm curious about why you'd want one? The only thing that really differentiates the Kindle from any other eInk bookreader at present is the wireless download, and that won't work outside North America. If all you want to do is read books, you may as well just buy a CyBook!

sarahw2275
11-20-2007, 01:06 PM
It's really for the selection of ebooks available. If bought the cybook i could get books from Mobipocket, but as I have a Mac I can't install the mobipocket software onto my laptop (as far as I'm aware anyway). Also, I kind of like the design!

DaleDe
11-20-2007, 01:20 PM
It's really for the selection of ebooks available. If bought the cybook i could get books from Mobipocket, but as I have a Mac I can't install the mobipocket software onto my laptop (as far as I'm aware anyway). Also, I kind of like the design!

Cybook will work fine on a mac. You just mount the device and copy the files over. There are some nice features on the Kindle though such as the ability to add notes and capture pages. Following links is easier as well.

Dale

HarryT
11-20-2007, 03:02 PM
Might be worth checking out the range of Mobi books available - I think you'll find there's enough to last you a lifetime :). You don't need the Mobi desktop software - as Dale says, the CyBook mounts on the Mac as a USB drive and you just copy files to it.

mrsp
11-21-2007, 04:12 AM
And if you don't WANT to buy a cybook? If these solutions work, then both Sony and Kindle are better options. I don't know the answer to your question Sarah but have had the same idea myself as bongous say on their website that you can register their forwarding address as a second address on your normal credit card and it will process as a US billing address card. If this indeed works, it would allow access to Connect or to Kindle and would give us more options.

HarryT
11-21-2007, 06:41 AM
And if you don't WANT to buy a cybook? If these solutions work, then both Sony and Kindle are better options.

Why do you believe that the Sony is a better option, as a matter of interest?

sarahw2275
11-21-2007, 07:49 AM
It is the Kindle that I want. Sorry, I know people love their Sony and Cybook readers, but Sony is out for me because of the mac issue, and I'm really not keen on the Cybook. I'd prefer to go wit Amazon, so any advice about getting a virtual credit card etc would be greatly appreciated.

Sparrow
11-21-2007, 09:34 AM
I'm puzzled :blink:. You mentioned earlier, the reason you were opting for the Kindle was: "It's really for the selection of ebooks available."

But will you be able to get much content for the Kindle in the UK?

I thought you'd only have the same range of eBooks available for other devices, since the Amazon shop (and all Kindle's web access) will be inaccessible outside the US.

JSWolf
11-21-2007, 09:38 AM
Is there software for the Kindle that works with OS X? If not, then the Kindle will need you to have a Windows setup in order to to use the software. I know for sure there is no version of Mobipocket for OS X. So using that to convert content is a no go with OS X.

sarahw2275
11-21-2007, 09:47 AM
I'm puzzled :blink:. You mentioned earlier, the reason you were opting for the Kindle was: "It's really for the selection of ebooks available."

But will you be able to get much content for the Kindle in the UK?

I thought you'd only have the same range of eBooks available for other devices, since the Amazon shop (and all Kindle's web access) will be inaccessible outside the US.

That's why I'm considering a virtual credit card with a US billing address. That way I should be able to get ebooks from amazon.com. I'm just hoping that someone has used one of these virtual cards before and can give me some advice.

@JSWolf - According to Amazon, it does support Macs.

DaleDe
11-21-2007, 09:47 AM
Is there software for the Kindle that works with OS X? If not, then the Kindle will need you to have a Windows setup in order to to use the software. I know for sure there is no version of Mobipocket for OS X. So using that to convert content is a no go with OS X.

There is no software needed for Kindle. It will mount as a flash disk under OS X which will allow file transfers. However, you are correct in that there will be no way to convert files to MobiPocket files although there may be some third party programs that will work. It would still be possible to use the Kindle online convert feature to do the conversions.

Dale

Icarusbop
11-21-2007, 10:27 AM
The Kindle looks great from the amazon video, a lot better then the early piccies we saw from the FCC guys.
I'm concerned however about the wireless thing. As it uses the GSM network but doesn't have a sim card (to pay for the services). I would think there is some kind of agreement with the Cellnet companies and Amazon. The chances are, unless it is officially released in the UK, the Wireless features will not work in the UK.
Therefore getting books onto it would involve the same amount of work as for the Cybook and Sony - you have to get the book into the format you want, then dump it onto the Kindle via USB. It doesn't look like it reads 'normal' mobipocket books however and I don't think there is a PC conversion kit to make the books for you. Leaving you with RTF's and Txt's (presuming these are supported natively).
I have a friend in the US, who is happy to buy me stuff then send it over to me, but great though this thing looks - it will probably be next to useless unitl officially released over here (in the UK)
Of course; I could be wrong about most (or even all) of this. It is all my opinion only.

HarryT
11-21-2007, 10:33 AM
I'm concerned however about the wireless thing. As it uses the GSM network but doesn't have a sim card (to pay for the services). I would think there is some kind of agreement with the Cellnet companies and Amazon. The chances are, unless it is officially released in the UK, the Wireless features will not work in the UK.

No, it doesn't use GSM, it uses EVDO which is a technology built on CDMA networks. The wireless facilities are provided solely by the US telecoms operator "Sprint", so it certainly won't work outside the USA.

Therefore getting books onto it would involve the same amount of work as for the Cybook and Sony - you have to get the book into the format you want, then dump it onto the Kindle via USB. It doesn't look like it reads 'normal' mobipocket books however and I don't think there is a PC conversion kit to make the books for you. Leaving you with RTF's and Txt's (presuming these are supported natively).

It does read DRM-free Mobipocket format books. RTF is not supported. Text is.

pilotbob
11-21-2007, 10:45 AM
It is the Kindle that I want. Sorry, I know people love their Sony and Cybook readers, but Sony is out for me because of the mac issue, and I'm really not keen on the Cybook. I'd prefer to go wit Amazon, so any advice about getting a virtual credit card etc would be greatly appreciated.

The problem is, how would you get your content? When you buy a kindle book on Amazon it is delivered to your Kindle over the Sprint Cellular network. There is no option to download it, from what I have seen and heard.

So, until there is wireless support for the Kindle outside the US I think the Sony or Cybook is actually a better choice.

BOb

Nate the great
11-21-2007, 10:49 AM
The problem is, how would you get your content? When you buy a kindle book on Amazon it is delivered to your Kindle over the Sprint Cellular network. There is no option to download it, from what I have seen and heard.

So, until there is wireless support for the Kindle outside the US I think the Sony or Cybook is actually a better choice.

BOb

No. You can download the ebook to your PC, and use a USB cable to transfer it to the Kindle.

sarahw2275
11-21-2007, 01:10 PM
No. You can download the ebook to your PC, and use a USB cable to transfer it to the Kindle.

That's exactly what I plan on doing, if I find out whether the Virtual Credit Card thing will work.

melmurray
11-21-2007, 01:23 PM
Don't forget to keep us informed!

Has anyone over here in Europe ordered a Kindle yet, through friends in the US or trying Sarahw2275's method?

resistor
11-21-2007, 02:27 PM
No, it doesn't use GSM, it uses EVDO which is a technology built on CDMA networks. The wireless facilities are provided solely by the US telecoms operator "Sprint", so it certainly won't work outside the USA.

Just for clarity, while WhiserpNet's EVDO deal is with Sprint, they're not the only EVDO/CDMA provider in the US. Verizon also uses CDMA, in addition to various smaller networks like MetroPCS.

pilotbob
11-21-2007, 03:14 PM
Just for clarity, while WhiserpNet's EVDO deal is with Sprint, they're not the only EVDO/CDMA provider in the US. Verizon also uses CDMA, in addition to various smaller networks like MetroPCS.

Isn't metro an MVNO on top of Sprint or Verizons network?

What do all the wireless providers use? I think T-Mobile and at&t are GSM (TDMA) while Sprint, Alltel, Verizon using CDMA2000. Do ALL carriers outside the US use GSM?

BOb

DaleDe
11-21-2007, 03:49 PM
Isn't metro an MVNO on top of Sprint or Verizons network?

What do all the wireless providers use? I think T-Mobile and at&t are GSM (TDMA) while Sprint, Alltel, Verizon using CDMA2000. Do ALL carriers outside the US use GSM?

BOb

There was a list posted in one of these forums showing many locations outside the US that use CDMA but Europe uses GSM.

Dale

tsgreer
11-21-2007, 06:16 PM
Is there software for the Kindle that works with OS X? If not, then the Kindle will need you to have a Windows setup in order to to use the software. I know for sure there is no version of Mobipocket for OS X. So using that to convert content is a no go with OS X.

I have a Mac and Kindle does indeed mount as a flash disk under OS X which will allow file transfers. And I have a 1 gig SD card in the Kindle and that shows up on my mac as another flash disk. So it works perfectly. I have copied several books over both via download and usb transfer.

As was mentioned before, for the conversion workaround, you just email your .html or .doc files to the @free.kindle.com addy they supply you with and and they convert to un DRM'd .azw files and email you the converted file. For me, it takes around 5 minutes or so to get the file emailed back to you. And as we all know, the un-DRM'd .azw file is just a .prc (mobi) file with a different extension.

Jjust for consistency and to keep it along with my other .prc files (mostly downloaded from here at mobilread), I just rename the extension to .prc and it shows up on Kindle fine.

And Kovid mentioned that he is working on a html2prc program, so if that even comes close to working as good as his other programs, it will solve this minor mac conversion issue.

mrsp
11-21-2007, 09:22 PM
Why do you believe that the Sony is a better option, as a matter of interest?

All the readers have pros & cons functionally. My belief that Sony or Kindle are better options are really just my personal opinions only based on the fact that they are cheaper, they are large recognised corporations with the resources to keep a foothold as things open up to more and more devices and because I don't like the customer service I've experienced from Bookeen or their attitude to differential pricing.

Seeing what the kindle can do and today finding out that Dymocks here in Australia are bringing out their own reader locally, I'm glad to have held back a little bit to see how things pan out.

For lots of people Cybook is probably the best option but not for everyone.

Alisa
11-21-2007, 10:12 PM
I'm curious about why you'd want one? The only thing that really differentiates the Kindle from any other eInk bookreader at present is the wireless download, and that won't work outside North America. If all you want to do is read books, you may as well just buy a CyBook!

Actually the wireless wasn't a huge deal for me (aside from Wikipedia search). The biggest factors for me over the Cybook were library search as well as dictionary search and the ability to annotate and excerpt text. I was ready to go with the Cybook because I thought my chance of getting anything like that short of an iLiad was slim, but now I can have those features for pretty much the same price.

tompe
11-22-2007, 06:34 AM
they are large recognised corporations with the resources to keep a foothold as things open up to more and more devices and because I don't like the customer service I've experienced from Bookeen or their attitude to differential pricing.

My reasoning is that since Sony is a big company they will probably not be as fast to fix bugs in the firmware as a small company. And they will probably be more reluctant to add new functionality.

tompe
11-22-2007, 06:37 AM
Actually the wireless wasn't a huge deal for me (aside from Wikipedia search). The biggest factors for me over the Cybook were library search as well as dictionary search and the ability to annotate and excerpt text. I was ready to go with the Cybook because I thought my chance of getting anything like that short of an iLiad was slim, but now I can have those features for pretty much the same price.

I am thinking the same way and if I had not already bought a Gen3 and if it was easier to buy a Kindle from Europe it would be a really hard decision what to buy. I really like that you can annotate and excerpt text on the Kindle.

sarahw2275
11-22-2007, 08:03 AM
Has anyone had any experience using virtual credit cards? I think it's my only option right now and I've looked into a few, but I'm wary in case they're a con. Anyone?

gwynevans
11-22-2007, 09:43 AM
Has anyone had any experience using virtual credit cards? I think it's my only option right now...

No experience but while browsing the USA2ME site, I noticed that they have a "Personal Shopper" option, where they buy for you, although it'll cost 10%.

HarryT
11-22-2007, 10:03 AM
No experience but while browsing the USA2ME site, I noticed that they have a "Personal Shopper" option, where they buy for you, although it'll cost 10%.

But how would that work with something like the Kindle? A Kindle, as I understand it, is tied to your personal Amazon account. How could a "personal shopper" buy something online for you in that way?

sarahw2275
11-22-2007, 11:20 AM
I read on amazons site that if you were buying it as a gift for someone, you can deauthorise from your account and let them register it themselves. If I go with the virtual credit card route it will be registered in my name anyway, it's just that I'll have to get it shipped to a company like USA2ME and have them ship it onto me. I just wish I knew someone who could verify that one of these virtual credit card companies isn't a con!!

Icarusbop
11-22-2007, 02:42 PM
I just did a search on Google for USA2ME, one of the first things in the result was the following...

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/151/ripoff0151247.htm

gwynevans
11-22-2007, 03:32 PM
I just did a search on Google for USA2ME, one of the first things in the result was the following...

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/151/ripoff0151247.htm

On the other hand, did you read the rebuttals at the bottom of that page?

hkabir
11-22-2007, 05:50 PM
Hi sarahw2275,

You can order it to any US address with your foreign credit card. Why you need a virtual credit card. Just add a friend's (living in USA) address in your order, but use the billing address of your credit card. That way amazon accepts the order. I live in New Zealand, and it seems it worked for me.

bertlmike
11-23-2007, 01:28 AM
Hi sarahw2275,

You can order it to any US address with your foreign credit card. Why you need a virtual credit card. Just add a friend's (living in USA) address in your order, but use the billing address of your credit card. That way amazon accepts the order. I live in New Zealand, and it seems it worked for me.

That's exactly what I was planing on doing. Have you ordered yours yet? Can you confirm, that you can also buy books that way?
The problem is, that amazon won't even let you try to buy a book, unless you have a kindle linked to your account.

hkabir
11-23-2007, 06:56 AM
I didn't really order yet. But I checked it, and the amazon system even calculated the amount payable in NZ dollar since it identified that my credit card issuer is NZ bank. I just stoped at the last stage of ordering. I want to make sure I would be able to buy books. I read in another thread that amazon doesn't allow buying books with foreign credit card even though you've a Kindle registered in your account. I alreay sent an email to amazon customer service regading this issue. Let's see what they reply.

LwoodY2K
11-24-2007, 04:14 AM
According to some post in the discussion forum, you're required to have a US issued credit card with a US billing address to purchase downloads, but I suppose the actual CS is probably a better source than that.

sarahw2275
11-24-2007, 07:43 AM
Has anyone with a kindle tried to download books with a non US credit card yet?

@hkabrir - Did you hear back from customer services yet?

igorsk
11-24-2007, 11:36 AM
sarahw2275: yes, it doesn't work.

hkabir
11-24-2007, 10:28 PM
Hi Sarah,

I got a reply from from customer service. You must have a U.S. billing address to purchase book through 1-click buy. Surprisingly, you can buy kindle with 1-click with non-U.S. credit card, but not books and other content. I didn't ask about using amazon gift card.

Hi igorsk, did you try with gift card.

Tom Swift
11-24-2007, 11:59 PM
Sarahw2275,

I have used a virtual credit card in the past. I wanted access to the iTunes store, but since I live in China and do not know anyone in the States, I tried their service. It actually worked painlessly. I sent them $22 via Paypal, and they sent me a credit card number, with a name and address from Las Vegas, with $20 on it available. The card only lasted for a few months but it is enough time to make a purchase. No complaints.

Here is the link to the company I used to get a virtual credit card.

Unlinq Virtual Credit Card (http://www.unlinq.com/vc_faq.html)

hkabir
11-26-2007, 03:06 AM
Hi Tom,

It seems like unlinQ now do not accept payment through paypal as you mentioned. Now you've to open e-gold account. How safe is it to open an e-gold account. Does anyone know amazon accept virtual credit card? Is there anybody in the forum living outside U.S.A. and own a kindle?

Tom Swift
11-26-2007, 04:58 AM
Thinking about it, I think I did use eGold to fund the account. They also take money orders so that would work if you did not want to go through the bother of getting an eGold account. No idea about Amazon but like I said, it worked for me with Apple.

pilotbob
11-26-2007, 12:50 PM
How safe is it to open an e-gold account. Does anyone know amazon accept virtual credit card? Is there anybody in the forum living outside U.S.A. and own a kindle?

I have been using e-gold for years. It is perfecly safe and reliable. The biggest problem is that buying e-gold usually means you have to do a wire transfer or send a money order to an "e-gold dealer". I actually would love to see alot more vendors take e-gold.

Most don't take a credit card back transaction becuase there have been alot of "e-gold" vendors that have had to go out of business. People would "buy" e-gold with a credit card, then do a charge back on the cc, leaving the e-gold vendor with no recourse. All e-gold transactions are final. While e-gold will try to recover funds if fraud can be proved... the "gold" could be long gone.

BOb

PS: If you do open an e-gold account please use me as you referer if you don't have anyone else: Go to this URL then select the signuphere link in the upper right hand corner. http://127062.e-gold.com/ It cost nothing to sign up or have an account until you fund it.

sarahw2275
11-26-2007, 06:12 PM
So, who is going to be the first to give this a try. I can get a kindle, but I'm worried about getting content. I think it will have to be through a virtual credit card, but no one seems to know if this will actually work .

BKeeper
11-27-2007, 03:04 AM
Sarah,

If you can get anyone in the US (a friend) to let you use their home address,
Amex will be happy to issue a genuine american cc and you don't have to mess around with virtual cc of dubious origins. :)

That is what I'd do, and I think it's by far the easiest solution.

sarahw2275
11-27-2007, 07:27 AM
That would be a great idea, but unfortunately I don't have any friends in the US.
Thanks for the suggestion though.

rflashman
11-27-2007, 07:28 AM
I would definitely NOT bother getting a Kindle outside the U.S. I would not be surprised if Amazon is busy negotiating deals with other country wireless providers, and then releases country specific models designed to work with wireless data networks in those countries. It only makes business sense. So you are probably better off waiting for a Canada/UK/EU/etc. specific version of the Kindle. The wireless chips in devices like these are trivial to swap at manufacturing time.

pilotbob
11-27-2007, 12:41 PM
That would be a great idea, but unfortunately I don't have any friends in the US.
Thanks for the suggestion though.

Maybe you could sign up with earthclassmail.com to get a US address. Although $10 a month is a bit much just to be able to use a Kindle. But, if you use it for more than this one thing it might be a worthwhile service.

BOb

Alisa
11-27-2007, 01:12 PM
I would definitely NOT bother getting a Kindle outside the U.S. I would not be surprised if Amazon is busy negotiating deals with other country wireless providers, and then releases country specific models designed to work with wireless data networks in those countries. It only makes business sense. So you are probably better off waiting for a Canada/UK/EU/etc. specific version of the Kindle. The wireless chips in devices like these are trivial to swap at manufacturing time.

I agree. People seem to think that because it's EVDO that's all they'll ever have and because it started in the US they're dissing the rest of the planet. Maybe folks don't realize that from a hardware perspective it is really so easy to make such a change. It's the service partnerships and corporate deals that take time. I'd rather wait a little while and get one that will work more easily in my region. I know waiting sucks. I've been almost buying and waiting for a year now until I felt the right product came out.