View Full Version : Why is the Ebookwise 1150 a Legacy Device? -- Please note: it's *not* anymore :)


DaleDe
11-15-2007, 02:31 PM
Instead of banned people lets talk about an almost banned but seemingly resurrected device. What makes it a Legacy? It is not obsolete, it is still being sold as new, it is currently enjoying support for books in the eBooks section of the site.

Some people are worried about buying one because MobileRead calls it a Legacy device which is assumed to make it obsolete or no longer being made or supported since that is true of every other device in the category.

Dale

NatCh
11-15-2007, 02:35 PM
That's an excellent question, DaleDe, and (I think) they're allegedly working on a successor to the venerable 1150. Personally, I could probably be talked into considering it a long-standing, but current device. :shrug:

Nate the great
11-15-2007, 02:45 PM
Well, until you showed up there wasn't an advocate for the device. It appeared that the existing 1150 owners didn't mind being sidelined.

Nate the great
11-15-2007, 05:53 PM
Instead of banned people lets talk about an almost banned but seemingly resurrected device. What makes it a Legacy? It is not obsolete, it is still being sold as new, it is currently enjoying support for books in the eBooks section of the site.

Some people are worried about buying one because MobileRead calls it a Legacy device which is assumed to make it obsolete or no longer being made or supported since that is true of every other device in the category.

Dale

He's right, you know. The IMP version of most ebooks is sometimes more popular than Mobipocket.

Heck, how can it be a legacy device if it's the third most common device on this forum? (I bet it's actually the second most common.)\

I am going to go add it to the Wiki.

Jadon
11-15-2007, 09:17 PM
MobileRead calls it a Legacy device which is assumed to make it obsolete or no longer being made or supported
Is it still being manufactured? I thought eBookwise was selling off old stock from the Gemstar days. (The units say Gemstar; they just have eBookwise logos pasted over it.) Units are being sold and supported, yes, and the firmware's been updated, but I didn't think any factory was still turning out ETI-2s.

NatCh
11-15-2007, 09:38 PM
I believe that E-Book Technologies, Inc. (AKA ETI) (http://www.ebooktechnologies.com/devices.htm) is still making them (could easily be mistaken). :shrug:

They're definitely looking at a future e-ink device (http://www.ebooktechnologies.com/toureinkproto.htm), but I hope they end up doing something other than the generic PVI model that they have pictured as their prototype.

jbenny
11-15-2007, 10:50 PM
I believe that E-Book Technologies, Inc. (AKA ETI) (http://www.ebooktechnologies.com/devices.htm) is still making them (could easily be mistaken). :shrug:

They're definitely looking at a future e-ink device (http://www.ebooktechnologies.com/toureinkproto.htm), but I hope they end up doing something other than the generic PVI model that they have pictured as their prototype.

Yes, if ETI did an E Ink device that incorporated some of the nicer features of the 1150, they would have a winner.

HarryT
11-16-2007, 03:47 AM
Yes, if ETI did an E Ink device that incorporated some of the nicer features of the 1150, they would have a winner.

You think so? I rather get the impression the REB fans are primarily in the "if it doesn't have a backlight it's worthless" camp. That's certainly a viewpoint that's been rather, er, forcibly expressed in the past :). These are people who don't WANT eInk because you can't read it in the dark.

One thing that makes it a "legacy device" is the fact that (as I understand) it uses SmartMedia cards for storage. I don't believe that SmartMedia cards are still made, even if the machine itself is.

Nate the great
11-16-2007, 09:38 AM
They're not cheap, but they can be found on Ebay.

HarryT
11-16-2007, 12:12 PM
They're not cheap, but they can be found on Ebay.

Yes, I know. Just saying that, by my personal definition (and other people may well have their own different ones) any device which uses storage media which is no longer manufactured has to be considered a legacy device.

Nate the great
11-16-2007, 12:14 PM
Yes, I know. Just saying that, by my personal definition (and other people may well have their own different ones) any device which uses storage media which is no longer manufactured has to be considered a legacy device.

I do not know for sure, but I am pretty sure that they are still being manufactured.

HarryT
11-16-2007, 12:26 PM
To quote from the Wiki Article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartmedia) on Smartmedia cards:

SmartMedia cards no longer appear to be produced by either Toshiba or Samsung, and rebadged versions are no longer being sold by companies such as Lexar and Sandisk. As such, SmartMedia cards are becoming increasingly challenging to find.
...
Smartmedia memory cards are no longer manufactured, old stocks of new 128mb can be obtained from specialist suppliers while supplies last but are disappearing fast and as demand is still quite high for these cards, the prices are rising. The current price for a 128MB card on eBay is about £30 ($60 USD Approx; €50 Approx).

Nate the great
11-16-2007, 12:39 PM
In that case, where is Ebookwise getting them? I strongly doubt that they would sell them retail without a wholesale source. At the very least they would job it out to a small manufacturer.

P.S. I just checked Ebay. There are enough different sellers that someone has to be still making them.

HarryT
11-16-2007, 12:45 PM
I wouldn't know. Just reporting what I'd previously heard, and what the Wiki article reports.

jbenny
11-16-2007, 08:00 PM
You think so? I rather get the impression the REB fans are primarily in the "if it doesn't have a backlight it's worthless" camp. That's certainly a viewpoint that's been rather, er, forcibly expressed in the past :). These are people who don't WANT eInk because you can't read it in the dark.

One thing that makes it a "legacy device" is the fact that (as I understand) it uses SmartMedia cards for storage. I don't believe that SmartMedia cards are still made, even if the machine itself is.

Now, why would ETI build a brand new E Ink device, use SmartMedia and only market to existing customers? Sounds rather silly, doesn't it?

What I was saying is that if they introduced a modern E Ink reader (similar to everyone else's), but also included some of the interface elements that their older unit has, that would be good. Personally, I liked the two large buttons for paging. Also, some aspects of the software interface were very easy to use. Of course, the old units required a stylus, so ETI would either have to add a touch screen, or change things to work without one.

jbenny
11-16-2007, 08:03 PM
In that case, where is Ebookwise getting them? I strongly doubt that they would sell them retail without a wholesale source. At the very least they would job it out to a small manufacturer.

P.S. I just checked Ebay. There are enough different sellers that someone has to be still making them.

I don't know this for a fact, but my understanding is that there is still a huge warehouse full of 1150 readers from the GemStar days. Considering that the sales of units can't be too high, I don't see any reason that this couldn't be true. And considering how small SmartMedia cards are, you could store a lifetime supply of those in your closet.

Nate the great
11-16-2007, 08:27 PM
I don't know this for a fact, but my understanding is that there is still a huge warehouse full of 1150 readers from the GemStar days. Considering that the sales of units can't be too high, I don't see any reason that this couldn't be true. And considering how small SmartMedia cards are, you could store a lifetime supply of those in your closet.

The 1150 came out, what, 4 years ago? Given the low price and long time period, I bet there are more 1150s out there than Sony Readers. Also, I know that the president of ETI was in here once, and I think he said that they still made the 1150.

Anyway, the whole point of this topic is that the Ebookwise 1150 should to be taken out of the legacy devices subforum.

Jadon
11-17-2007, 12:17 AM
huge warehouse full of 1150 readers from the GemStar days. Considering that the sales of units can't be too high
I got my eBookwise two years ago, and the serial number is only 3750, which suggests they're not flying off the shelves. (Find someone who bought a year before or after and a rate might be estimated.) I have to think units are no longer being manufactured: surely it's not difficult to change the name being silk-screened on, yet the hardware is branded Gemstar, with eBookwise only pasted over the old name.

Nate the great
11-17-2007, 09:52 AM
I got my eBookwise two years ago, and the serial number is only 3750, which suggests they're not flying off the shelves. (Find someone who bought a year before or after and a rate might be estimated.) I have to think units are no longer being manufactured: surely it's not difficult to change the name being silk-screened on, yet the hardware is branded Gemstar, with eBookwise only pasted over the old name.

I just bought one, and will tell you what the SN is when I get it.

nekokami
11-17-2007, 07:05 PM
Apart from the backlight (which many people do like), a main attraction of the 1150 is the low cost. An e ink version would probably cost around $300, like the other e ink units out there. I don't know if it could compete. I suppose it would depend on what other features it offered. A touch-sensitive overlay might not add too much expense, but as I understand it, the touch-sensitive (as opposed to Wacom-style pressure-sensitive) overlay isn't transparent enough for a reflection-only display. Adding a side-light as well as the Wacom screen would probably bump the price up to the range of the iLiad. :(

Jadon
11-18-2007, 05:32 PM
On cost, you can get a tablet-convertible portable DVD player with a seven-inch screen for the cost of an EBookwise. I've long wondered why one of the companies that makes these couldn't put simple TXT and HTML viewing capabilities in one, maybe add an SD slot, and sell a movie player that also does simple books. It would cost very little, and might get them a few more sales.

DaleDe
11-18-2007, 06:19 PM
On cost, you can get a tablet-convertible portable DVD player with a seven-inch screen for the cost of an EBookwise. I've long wondered why one of the companies that makes these couldn't put simple TXT and HTML viewing capabilities in one, maybe add an SD slot, and sell a movie player that also does simple books. It would cost very little, and might get them a few more sales.

You can't get 20 hours of pleasure out of one of those on one charge.

Dale

mogui
11-18-2007, 07:42 PM
On cost, you can get a tablet-convertible portable DVD player with a seven-inch screen for the cost of an EBookwise. I've long wondered why one of the companies that makes these couldn't put simple TXT and HTML viewing capabilities in one, maybe add an SD slot, and sell a movie player that also does simple books. It would cost very little, and might get them a few more sales.
Good idea.! Do you have any ideas on hacking a portable DVD player?

The low-end eBw is only US$110. It has a USB interface and ergonomic features. The only "legacy" factor I can see is that the Smartmedia card is almost junque. Without the card it will still hold about a dozen eBooks -- good enough for me.

At that price I could see picking up one or two for hacking. It would make a great platform for an open-source reader software initiative.
:grin2:

DaleDe
11-18-2007, 08:38 PM
Good idea.! Do you have any ideas on hacking a portable DVD player?

The low-end eBw is only US$110. It has a USB interface and ergonomic features. The only "legacy" factor I can see is that the Smartmedia card is almost junque. Without the card it will still hold about a dozen eBooks -- good enough for me.

At that price I could see picking up one or two for hacking. It would make a great platform for an open-source reader software initiative.
:grin2:

Certainly would and the Smartmedia card could easily be hardware hacked for XD cards. They are electrically the same and you can already buy SM to XD card adapters. I do not know if the current rom would support greater than 128 Meg but then if you are hacking the OS this would be easy to fix.

Dale

Nate the great
11-18-2007, 08:40 PM
So is the 1150 going to get its own forum?

Please consider these facts:

There are more 1150 owners on this forum than Kindle owners (obviously), yet the Kindle has its own forum.

There are more 1150 owners on this forum than Hanlin owners (obviously), yet the Hanlin has its own forum.

There are more 1150 owners on this forum than Cybook owners (obviously), yet the Cybook has its own forum.

wallcraft
11-18-2007, 10:31 PM
I agree that the 1150 should have its own forum under E-Book Devices. If that isn't going to happen, then 2nd best would be for it to have its own Sub-Forum under Legacy E-Book Devices.

I also think there should be a separate forum under E-Book Uploads for IMP Books. At the moment it is hard to find non-IMP books in the Other Books forum because of all the IMP books. Any format this popular (measured in uploads) deserves its own forum.

UncleDuke
11-19-2007, 10:07 AM
rat shack here in nyc doesn't have sm cards anymore, if rat shack don't have it, it ain't being made anymore

Jadon
11-19-2007, 06:02 PM
You can't get 20 hours of pleasure out of one of those on one charge.
You can't get twenty hours on a portable DVD player when playing DVDs, but you're powering the drive, which is a huge cost, and you likely have the backlight on higher for a film than you would for text. Decoding video also has to be costlier in terms of power than displaying text, but that may not be a big deal. If such a device could be used for ebooks you're probably talking about getting three or four times the usage on a charge. Maybe not 20 hours, but quite possibly 8 or 10. So it's a charge-every-night device, instead of every few, as the eBookwise. Still workable.

On eBookwise cost, for at least the last two years the site has had a December sale. I paid $99 for mine, IIRC.

HarryT
11-20-2007, 04:24 AM
You can't get twenty hours on a portable DVD player when playing DVDs, but you're powering the drive, which is a huge cost, and you likely have the backlight on higher for a film than you would for text. Decoding video also has to be costlier in terms of power than displaying text, but that may not be a big deal. If such a device could be used for ebooks you're probably talking about getting three or four times the usage on a charge. Maybe not 20 hours, but quite possibly 8 or 10.

Seems to be the screen that's the biggest battery drainer, rather than the drive, at least for a hard-disk based unit. Eg, I have an Archos media player. It will play about 4h of movies, but about 20h of MP3 on a battery charge, the difference being that the screen is blank while it's playing MP3s.

I would imagine, though, that a DVD drive probably requires more power than a hard disk.

Nate the great
11-21-2007, 03:41 PM
I really don't think it's a legacy device. Mine just arrived, and I am pleased by the quality. It does not look like old stock that has been refurbished; it looks new.

Alexander Turcic
11-29-2007, 12:57 PM
If there is enough interest we could add a dedicated Ebookwise forum. The only thing we should avoid is creating forums sections that appear abandoned or hardly visited.

nekokami
11-30-2007, 10:45 AM
There seems to be plenty of traffic regarding the eBookwise.

DaleDe
11-30-2007, 11:40 AM
If there is enough interest we could add a dedicated Ebookwise forum. The only thing we should avoid is creating forums sections that appear abandoned or hardly visited.

There seems to be a need for two. One for topics and one for eBooks. Some are complaining the misc eBook category is getting overwhelmed by IMP files.

One thing I do not think MobileRead wants is to discourage purchasers by implying that the unit they might want to buy is discontinued and not supported. I have seen a few posts in other forums saying that this forum has it stuck in legacy devices so it must be obsolete. I do realize that it is older than most but it fills a niche in the marketplace for an inexpensive reader.

Dale

Alexander Turcic
11-30-2007, 03:00 PM
Hmmm I see. Good point. Perhaps we should find a better name to replace "legacy"?

NatCh
11-30-2007, 03:06 PM
I'm afraid that you'd run into the same issue no matter what you replaced "legacy" with. :sad2:

I mean, either it's a 'current' device or it's not ...

Unless you want to go with something like "E-Ink Devices" and "LCD Devices" .... :shrug:

Alexander Turcic
11-30-2007, 03:12 PM
Unless you want to go with something like "E-Ink Devices" and "LCD Devices" .... :shrug:

Ahhh, but then there is the Sony Librie reader... :chinscratch:

NatCh
11-30-2007, 03:37 PM
Oh, yes, then there's that. :chinscratch:

nekokami
12-01-2007, 09:47 AM
The devices that aren't still being sold are legacy devices. But the eBw 1150 is still being sold, and a fairly major ebook company (Fictionwise) still has new offerings for it. So I don't think it is a legacy device. It's the least expensive currently available device out there, if I'm not mistaken-- a great gateway device for those who aren't sure about ebooks. I think it deserves its own forum.

NatCh
12-02-2007, 01:21 AM
The devices that aren't still being sold are legacy devices. But the eBw 1150 is still being sold....Assuming that you mean being sold by a company rather than "sold on e-bay by random people," that's a very good point. Even if they're selling a huge warehouse full of back-stock they are still selling them ... un-used.

HarryT
12-02-2007, 08:52 AM
Assuming that you mean being sold by a company rather than "sold on e-bay by random people," that's a very good point. Even if they're selling a huge warehouse full of back-stock they are still selling them ... un-used.

But its storage media (SM cards) are no longer manufactured; that, to my mind, puts it firmly in the "legacy" camp.

NatCh
12-02-2007, 09:35 AM
I'd agree that it puts the media in the "legacy" category, but I'm not sure that convinces me that the device belongs there. :shrug:

DaleDe
12-02-2007, 11:03 AM
I'd agree that it puts the media in the "legacy" category, but I'm not sure that convinces me that the device belongs there. :shrug:

Actually this problem faces all units. Components in a system get obsoleted all the time.

Is the Sony obsolete since the SD controller card cannot accept the new SD standard SDHC cards? Any while we are talking about this line of reasoning when will the Sony PRS-500 drop to the legacy group.

Many of the other eINK devices are even worse on SD card support using controllers and drivers that can only use SD cards up to 1 Meg. These controllers have not been built since 2003/4 I believe.

There is no problem with eBookwise memory since eBookwise will still supply the memory in the device so most users never even need to worry about it. Most users are not that technical that it even matters. (unless you happen to brick the card)

The criteria should be something other than some of the parts are obsolete or even if the unit is obsolete (PRS-500 case).

Dale

HarryT
12-02-2007, 11:10 AM
Actually this problem faces all units. Components in a system get obsoleted all the time.

Is the Sony obsolete since the SD controller card cannot accept the new SD standard SDHC cards?

The difference is that non-SDHC cards are still made, and will continue to be made for the foreseeable future. Once existing stockpiles of SM cards are sold, there are no more. I don't know when that'll happen, but it's going to happen at some point.

Any while we are talking about this line of reasoning when will the Sony PRS-500 drop to the legacy group.

It's a "Sony Portable Reader" forum. Virtually all the stuff in it applies equally to the 500 and the 505. Had Sony stopped making the 500 and not replaced it, we would have moved it to the "Legacy Devices" forum, as we have done with the Librie.

Many of the other eINK devices are even worse on SD card support using controllers and drivers that can only use SD cards up to 1 Meg. These controllers have not been built since 2003/4 I believe.

I don't believe you are correct in saying that. The smallest capacity device I'm aware of is the iLiad, which only supports MMC cards rather than SD, and they only go up to 1GB. I don't know of any device which has supported 1MB cards. What did you have in mind? [The iLiad also supports CF cards up to at least 4GB, so its MMC card limit is of no practical importance.]

There is no problem with eBookwise memory since eBookwise will still supply the memory in the device so most users never even need to worry about it. Most users are not that technical that it even matters. (unless you happen to brick the card)

I agree with you. I only ever used the internal memory in my Sony Reader. I am using an SD card with my CyBook Gen3, because one can usefully use the internal memory for other things, such as fonts.

The criteria should be something other than some of the parts are obsolete or even if the unit is obsolete (PRS-500 case).

OK, another critereon: What current DRM formats does the device support? If the answer is "none", that suggests to me that it's not considered to be an "active" device by the book retailers.

DaleDe
12-02-2007, 11:26 AM
The criteria should be something other than some of the parts are obsolete or even if the unit is obsolete (PRS-500 case).

OK, another critereon: What current DRM formats does the device support? If the answer is "none", that suggests to me that it's not considered to be an "active" device by the book retailers.

What DRM does the star eBook support? This is a funny criteria as most people think lack of DRM is a good thing. NAEB even made this one of their original requirements (but changed at the last moment).

I am not sure why Fictionwise dropped DRM on the eBookwise device. It originally had some support for this. Does anybody know?

Dale

HarryT
12-02-2007, 11:32 AM
What DRM does the star eBook support? This is a funny criteria as most people think lack of DRM is a good thing. NAEB even made this one of their original requirements (but changed at the last moment).

Sorry; how can the lack of ability to buy the books that you may wish to buy be considered a good thing? I'd love to be able to buy a device which supports ALL the popular DRM formats. Unfortunately, other than reading on a PC (which isn't my idea of fun) if one buys a dedicated device one is forced to select one and only one DRM format. As I've said on a number of occasions, it was Bookeen's support for the mobi format (and its DRM) which heavily influenced my decision to buy it.

I am not sure why Fictionwise dropped DRM on the eBookwise device. It originally had some support for this. Does anybody know?


I believe they still support it in their DRM-free "multi-format" books, don't they? And Baen support it too, of course (but they don't use DRM at all, of course!).

DaleDe
12-02-2007, 04:16 PM
I believe they still support it in their DRM-free "multi-format" books, don't they? And Baen support it too, of course (but they don't use DRM at all, of course!).

Yes, there are several sites supporting DRM-free books in the IMP format. So you can still buy new books in this format. But near as I can tell and your proposed criteria for inclusion as a current device requires current DRM would exclude them. I think it probably excludes Star eBook as well but that's a different story.

I have been looking into the DRM on the eb1150 and near as I can tell it is based on encryption of the text and uses a code to decrypt it. You can submit OPF files for publication and then the code was added but it may have been that the only way it could be delivered encoded was via the online bookshelf. They still support the online bookshelf but no longer seem to have the DRM content. The online bookshelf differs from other sites selling in that it delivers expanded files directly to the device via USB or modem instead of the IMP container. It may be able to be in the IMP file but I cannot find any record of this in my research.

Dale

nekokami
12-03-2007, 07:14 AM
The eBookwise supports IMP, and ebookwise.com sells new fiction in this format. I think this meets the criteria for making IMP a "contemporary" DRM format. There is also an actively supported tool for managing DRM and non-DRM files for the eBw.

The device ships with memory. Many people never upgrade the memory that comes with their hardware. I see your point about SD cards no longer being made, but I don't think that on balance the eBw 1150 should be considered a "legacy" device just for this reason alone.

NatCh
12-04-2007, 04:31 PM
Some comments over here (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?p=123383#post123383) seem relevant to the current discussion. :nice:

Nate the great
12-04-2007, 05:18 PM
If ETI is still manufacturing it, then the ETI-2 is not a legacy device.

Great conversation. I have an interesting take on this topic, since my company is heavily invested in the use of backlit eBook devices.

Recently, I spoke with eBook Technologies Inc, the maker of the ETI-2 (eBookWise) device, and they assured me that their long-term manufacturing plans of the backlit units have not changed. They have E-Ink devices in development, but the ETI-2 backlit devices are here for the long term.

I donít think the backlit units are going away any time soon. There are too many commercial applications for them.

For example, we use the ETI-2 backlit ebook readers for the newspaper carriers who use our software. Instead of delivering newspapers using paper route lists with the dome light on, they have a backlit eBook device mounted to the windshield. It is immensely safer to use while driving than any paper system.

In demonstrating the necessity of backlighting, these pictures say it all:
eBook Devices used for night time newspaper delivery (http://www.mydistrict.net/Default.aspx/118/Articles/eBook_Integration.html)

In addition, I have yet to see an E-Ink device that is as rugged as the ETI-2. Many commercial environments require a rugged eBook device.

Lastly, since the E-Ink is monochrome only, and many commercial uses of eBook technology require color, E-Ink will not supplant color eBooks for many applications.

eBook devices are gaining popularity in commercial applications. Aside from our software for the newspaper industry, these devices are also in use in the military and in other government applications. Most commercial users will not justify the price difference between the ETI-2 and E-Ink devices.

E-Ink, while promising, will be unsuitable for commercial use until:
1) Its price comes down
2) There is a backlight or integrated frontlight option
3) There is a color option

This is good news for the consumer users who prefer backlit devices. Youíll continue to have backlit devices to choose from for some time to come.

Rob Hudson
rob@mydistrict.net (rob@mydistrict.net)
MyDistrict.Net - Newspaper Circulation Software (http://www.mydistrict.net/)

from:
http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?p=123383#post123383

NatCh
12-04-2007, 05:33 PM
I'm kinda thinking the same thing myself.

RWood
12-04-2007, 09:03 PM
Some are complaining the misc eBook category is getting overwhelmed by IMP files....
Dale
I have just posted a book from BookDesigner in the RB format. Is this the format that you want? I thought that the ebw software used the IMP container and directly extracted from that to load in the device. Please check the file over and I will make any corrections I can. There was not an intent to slight.

DaleDe
12-04-2007, 09:33 PM
I have just posted a book from BookDesigner in the RB format. Is this the format that you want? I thought that the ebw software used the IMP container and directly extracted from that to load in the device. Please check the file over and I will make any corrections I can. There was not an intent to slight.

Books for the eb1150 are in IMP format and coded specifically for the 1150 as opposed to the 1200. When using BookDesigner you need to be careful to not choose multilanguage if it is offered. This would create images rather than text and be 3 to 5 times bigger.

Dale

RWood
12-04-2007, 09:39 PM
Books for the eb1150 are in IMP format and coded specifically for the 1150 as opposed to the 1200. When using BookDesigner you need to be careful to not choose multilanguage if it is offered. This would create images rather than text and be 3 to 5 times bigger.

Dale
That is what all of my IMP files have been -- 1150 with no multilanguage support. Are these not working for you?

DaleDe
12-04-2007, 09:47 PM
That is what all of my IMP files have been -- 1150 with no multilanguage support. Are these not working for you?

They work fine, particular now that you put some TOC's in them. We cleared this misunderstanding in an email where RWOOD though I was calling the IMP files clutter, but what I meant was that others were saying that IMP files were filling up all the MISC entries and they couldn't find their ebook formats. I was trying to make a suggestion that IMP needed its own category in the list of ebook types. I believe it is popular now.

Dale

Jadon
12-05-2007, 12:08 AM
When using BookDesigner you need to be careful to not choose multilanguage if it is offered. This would create images rather than text and be 3 to 5 times bigger.
Or 10 or 20. Depends on the font size used. I always used a nice, large font: it gave ten lines per screen landscape. Even bigger than the largest text size for non-image mode.

DaleDe
12-05-2007, 10:24 AM
Or 10 or 20. Depends on the font size used. I always used a nice, large font: it gave ten lines per screen landscape. Even bigger than the largest text size for non-image mode.

Yea, large fonts obviously make more pages which increases the size of the images but I was comparing equal sized fonts when I said 3 to 5 times. I understand the font size issue but I have not found a way in Book Designer to increase the font size for books in IMP format. I do not like the default size and wish it could be changed. (current default size is x-small and it should be small) Hopefully someone can figure out a way to do this at some point. I always read the books posted here using the large font size (medium in this case) because of this problem. The large font size you could actually build a book with using eBook Publisher would be even bigger than what you are using but as I say you cannot seem to control the font in Book Designer for IMP files without using the images.

Dale

Alexander Turcic
12-05-2007, 10:45 AM
I have just followed this discussion, and I think we can agree that nobody gets hurt if we include an Ebookwise section due to popular demand. Should it eventually become abandoned we can always move it back to legacy ;)

Please give me a day or two to arrange for the section.

Jadon
12-05-2007, 04:23 PM
I was comparing equal sized fonts when I said 3 to 5 times.
There's not a lot of point in doing image-imp instead of text-imp unless you change things, which for me means huge fonts. Or occasionally doing stories with non-Western-European characters that can't be done as text-imp. I don't use BookDesigner for text-imps, since you can't control the output font size, and I do all my conversions at the largest font size (and, with Publisher, don't even bother making a smaller-font alternate). One thing I do in Publisher that I wish I could get to match the way Librarian does it is the line separating the header and the text. In Librarian it's full-width. In Publisher it's two pixels shy of that, I don't know why.

Alexander Turcic
12-06-2007, 05:49 AM
I have just followed this discussion, and I think we can agree that nobody gets hurt if we include an Ebookwise section due to popular demand. Should it eventually become abandoned we can always move it back to legacy ;)

Please give me a day or two to arrange for the section.

Thank you for your patience. Finally we got our dedicated eBookwise forum and upload section. :celebrate:

DaleDe
12-06-2007, 10:44 AM
Thank you for your patience. Finally we got our dedicated eBookwise forum and upload section. :celebrate:

Thank you very much.

There are a few IMP files left in the MISC section. These include:
http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15538
http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15505 zip file
http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15288
http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14269

Dale

silvania
12-06-2007, 09:20 PM
But its storage media (SM cards) are no longer manufactured; that, to my mind, puts it firmly in the "legacy" camp.

Since they are being sold *with* memory cards pre-installed, why does that matter?

silvania
12-06-2007, 09:22 PM
I am not sure why Fictionwise dropped DRM on the eBookwise device. It originally had some support for this. Does anybody know?

Dale

Fictionwise didn't drop DRM on the ebookwise. If you look on ebookwise, some books are marked "secure" the ones from big publishers who require encryption, and some are not, from the smaller publishers who don't require encryption.

RWood
12-06-2007, 10:08 PM
Good catch Dale. All four have been moved. Thanks.

DaleDe
12-07-2007, 12:43 AM
Fictionwise didn't drop DRM on the ebookwise. If you look on ebookwise, some books are marked "secure" the ones from big publishers who require encryption, and some are not, from the smaller publishers who don't require encryption.

Interesting. Thanks for the info. I will update the wiki.

Dale