View Full Version : Latest rumored Kindle release date: November 19th


Nate the great
11-14-2007, 09:29 AM
David Carnoy, over at Crave, was invited by Amazon to an event in NY on Monday the 19th. He thinks that Amazon might announce the Kindle (http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9816164-1.html).

I think there is very small chance that the Kindle will be announced on Monday. If they announce it before Christmas, it would have to be available almost immediately in order to make the Christmas season. To announce it and then not sell it during the Christmas season would not be smart. I strongly doubt they would make that mistake.

I think they will announce it at CES (http://www.cesweb.org/) in January.

CommanderROR
11-14-2007, 09:48 AM
Thank you for bringing the news. We will see what we shall see... ;)

NatCh
11-14-2007, 10:08 AM
I think there is a very small chance that the Kindle will be announced on Monday. If they announce it before Christmas, it would have to be available almost immediately in order to make the Christmas season.At the risk of fueling rampant speculation, last year at the Blogger's Day thing Sony had us out there and told us they would be launching a week later. Of course, we had known quite a bit about their Reader for some months before that, but they had been "no commenting" every question along those lines for some time at that point. And the two companies are very different.

I think that it may be a bit late in the season to announce now, since it wouldn't allow much time for folks to consider the Kindle's specs before Christmas buying starts, and the rumored $400~500 price is a bit steep for even Christmas impulse buys.

I think I agree that CES is more likely too ... but then again, Amazon is inviting Crave techno-geeks over there fo some reason, and I somehow doubt that it's just to announce Bill Gate's new autobiography or something. :chinscratch:

tribble
11-14-2007, 10:24 AM
well, as a mobipocket publisher i just received an email from amazon, regarding tax information. This hints to movement on the ebook front aswell.

Nate the great
11-14-2007, 10:43 AM
I am withdrawing my opinion. They may actually announce on Monday.

If you do a search on "kindle" on Amazon, you will get two results in electronics, the Iliad and the Ebookwise-1150. Not anymore. Between yesterday and today they reset the search term. The items are still for sale on Amazon, they just don't come up when searching for the term kindle.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/103-5393010-8448654?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=kindle&x=12&y=18

vivaldirules
11-14-2007, 11:07 AM
I'm pretty skeptical about Nov. 19. It's based entirely on one person's invitation to an undescribed meeting. There's no insider info or anything else new. Amazon continues to modify their web site including putting up a nice place to navigate to get digital downloads of movies, music, and small books that will probably expand once the Kindle is ready. Removing the Sony and Iliad devices from the Kindle search hit list is just another step for them but doesn't make me think release is imminent. Still, I remain anxious and hopeful. :pray:

da_jane
11-14-2007, 11:41 AM
I'm convinced that it is an announcement of the Kindle too as there is no reason that the Crave guys or others would be invited to an announcement in NY by Amazon.

As for the tax thing, it might be due to this that was included in today's Shelf Awareness newsletter:

In a "clarification," New York State's department of taxation and finance has indicated that online retailers with affiliates in the state need to collect applicable sales tax on items bought by consumers in New York, Bookselling This Week reported.

The department said that retailers must register and begin collecting sales tax as of December 7 to avoid being assessed sales tax before that date or any penalties or interest for not collecting sales tax in the past.

The ABA, which has argued that online retailers with nexus in a state should collect sales tax--making them more competitive with independent booksellers--welcomed the change. COO Oren Teicher commented: "In many states, the law is clear: If a company sells through an affiliate that is based in the state, then it should collect sales tax within that state."

Among large retailers of books online, B&N.com already collects sales tax in a majority of states. Some have argued that Amazon.com should collect sales tax in all states because of its affiliates program. The e-tailer has said that such tax collection is technically feasible.

ctennenh
11-14-2007, 12:02 PM
As much as I love my Sony Reader I'm jealous of the text input, and potential for searching, on the Kindle. Sony needs some sort of thumb-board at the very least. At the rumored price of this Amazon unit, though, I wonder what's been sacrificed.

yvanleterrible
11-14-2007, 12:20 PM
I'm going to get flack for this, but I wonder what bb would say about that. :laugh4:

THJahar
11-14-2007, 12:38 PM
I'm going to get flack for this, but I wonder what bb would say about that. :laugh4:

ssshhh..you might set him off again:pray:

TadW
11-14-2007, 12:40 PM
I'm going to get flack for this, but I wonder what bb would say about that. :laugh4:

:bam: :laugh3:

yvanleterrible
11-14-2007, 12:41 PM
His ghost then! :laugh4:

Seriously, I'm still interested in that device but I choose to be patient about it. It will come out when it will come out. :shrug:

Alisa
11-14-2007, 08:47 PM
His ghost then! :laugh4:

Seriously, I'm still interested in that device but I choose to be patient about it. It will come out when it will come out. :shrug:

LOL. Says he who already owns a reader. I'm going nuts here! I'm fixing to finally settle on the Cybook and now I'm being teased with thoughts of the Kindle.

yvanleterrible
11-15-2007, 10:16 AM
LOL. Says he who already owns a reader. I'm going nuts here! I'm fixing to finally settle on the Cybook and now I'm being teased with thoughts of the Kindle.
I see you!
I vividly remember ranting and ranting for over a year while waiting for the 500 to come out. My sympathy goes with you on this...

Then why the Cybook? There are two Sonys and an iLiad?

As for the Kindle, I'm curious but cautious. We know next to nothing about it.

Alisa
11-15-2007, 02:13 PM
Then why the Cybook? There are two Sonys and an iLiad?

As for the Kindle, I'm curious but cautious. We know next to nothing about it.

It really is about the format horse race for me right now and it seems Mobipocket is ahead. That makes the Cybook a good choice to me. The dictionary look up is nifty, too. Not quite as nice as if it had full text search but still nifty. Now if I could read the DRM-laden PDFs from my public library on a Sony that would put it in a more competitive spot with me. (My library offers both Mobi and PDF but more PDF. ) It's a lower price, it's gorgeous and I could have it NOW.

Of course if Amazon's ebooks tie you to the Kindle then I have to rethink the whole thing. I do wish we had more information on it. Makes me wonder what's up with the project since I can't believe they didn't want this thing out in time for Christmas.

yvanleterrible
11-15-2007, 03:02 PM
It really is about the format horse race for me right now and it seems Mobipocket is ahead. That makes the Cybook a good choice to me. The dictionary look up is nifty, too. Not quite as nice as if it had full text search but still nifty. Now if I could read the DRM-laden PDFs from my public library on a Sony that would put it in a more competitive spot with me. (My library offers both Mobi and PDF but more PDF. ) It's a lower price, it's gorgeous and I could have it NOW.

Of course if Amazon's ebooks tie you to the Kindle then I have to rethink the whole thing. I do wish we had more information on it. Makes me wonder what's up with the project since I can't believe they didn't want this thing out in time for Christmas.

Agreed about all. Don't forget the iLiad, it does Mobi too. If my memory serves me right Amazon bought Mobi, that could mean the Kindle could do it too.

6charlong
11-15-2007, 03:21 PM
well, as a mobipocket publisher i just received an email from amazon, regarding tax information. This hints to movement on the ebook front aswell.

I don't care too much about the Kindle itself, I just hope that Amazon will announce that with the Kendle they are adopting the non-proprietary epub format for the eBooks they intend to sell. After all, Amazon is in business to sell books. If they can help jump-start a standard for eBooks that publishers and reader/device manufacturers can address, they stand to make a lot more book sales. For that matter, what difference would it make to Amazon if they sell a Sony Reader, eb1150, 3Gen, or a Kindle? Amazon still makes a profit.

Well, I can hope...:pray:

Alisa
11-15-2007, 03:31 PM
Agreed about all. Don't forget the iLiad, it does Mobi too. If my memory serves me right Amazon bought Mobi, that could mean the Kindle could do it too.

I will be astounded if they don't use Mobi. Mostly I'm concerned that they'll force you buy their Kindle to buy their books. In my opinion, that would be a boneheaded decision, but that doesn't mean they won't do it.

NatCh
11-15-2007, 03:42 PM
If my memory serves me right Amazon bought Mobi, that could mean the Kindle could do it too.Your memory does serve you right. :wink: I think it would be colossally stupid of them to move away from MOBI to some new proprietary format, but corporations have an astounding capacity for colossal stupidity. :shrug:

Mostly I'm concerned that they'll force you buy their Kindle to buy their books. In my opinion, that would be a boneheaded decision, but that doesn't mean they won't do it.No, sadly, it doesn't. :sad3: But we can hope.


... I just hope that Amazon will announce that with the Kendle they are adopting the non-proprietary epub format for the eBooks they intend to sell.I'd love to see that too, even if it still incorporated DRM, if it was inter-compatible DRM (usable on multiple types of devices), I think that would remove a lot of the objections to DRM (and obstacles to e-books) right there.

RWood
11-15-2007, 05:50 PM
If we take what we found from the FCC documents as a baseline it would seem reasonable (as if anyone or any company was ever reasonable) that a device from Amazon would support Mobi and be able to connect directly to Amazon without a computer. Amazon could sell the books in Mobi format and provide a direct link to the machine. This would make it more like a toaster with a direct internal link to a bakery.

They can make a place for themselves by easing the process. Will the screen be better than the CyBook or Sony 505, no. What it may have is a fantastic integration with the Amazon site to purchase and delivery. That alone will move the units.

nekokami
11-15-2007, 06:00 PM
This would make it more like a toaster with a direct internal link to a bakery.
Great metaphor! It's probably not the kind of model I'd want (unless their entire current p-book inventory becomes available for a fixed monthly fee of about US$25) but I think it would really move e-books into the mainstream.

Studio717
11-15-2007, 07:33 PM
Here's the news from CNET:

CNET's story on the Kindle (http://www.news.com/Amazon-to-debut-Kindle-e-book-reader-Monday/2100-1025_3-6218828.html?tag=nefd.lede)

Nate the great
11-15-2007, 08:30 PM
Here's the news from CNET:

CNET's story on the Kindle (http://www.news.com/Amazon-to-debut-Kindle-e-book-reader-Monday/2100-1025_3-6218828.html?tag=nefd.lede)

Well, drat. I already decided to get a different device.

Now I will have to get both. :)

Alisa
11-15-2007, 09:17 PM
Great metaphor! It's probably not the kind of model I'd want (unless their entire current p-book inventory becomes available for a fixed monthly fee of about US$25) but I think it would really move e-books into the mainstream.

That would be fabulous though I doubt we'd see it any time soon. I'd consider a Kindle before that if the functionality was good, there was a fairly broad selection of titles and we got a bit of a discount on them over the pbook price. However, included in my baseline criteria for calling functionality good is that it would have to support a few other common formats and the ability to transfer your own books on there outside of the Kindle network. I wouldn't be too keen on that toaster if it only toasted Wonder bread.

Nate the great
11-15-2007, 10:47 PM
It's almost certainly going to be announce on Monday.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119517940646195194.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

NatCh
11-15-2007, 11:04 PM
Not really much new there, they seem to be touching on the CNET story, and then going off into general background stuff we've known for a while. It looks like CNET's still the only "real" source. :shrug:

Nate the great
11-15-2007, 11:55 PM
Not really much new there, they seem to be touching on the CNET story, and then going off into general background stuff we've known for a while. It looks like CNET's still the only "real" source. :shrug:

I disagree. The sound like they have their own sources, not like they are repeating someone else's story.

NatCh
11-16-2007, 12:21 AM
It's certainly open to interpretation. :shrug: They just don't seem to me to be saying anything new about the Kindle itself that CNET didn't report, the rest appears to be discussions of the obstacles that Amazon will face with the Kindle, and e-books in general, that's what got me thinking they haven't got anything specific themselves. But like I said, it certainly could be interpreted more than one way. :nice:

Alexander Turcic
11-16-2007, 04:57 AM
It's almost certainly going to be announce on Monday.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119517940646195194.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Calls to Amazon spokesmen weren't immediately returned...

And the secret remains... :p

yvanleterrible
11-16-2007, 09:17 AM
Not really much new there, they seem to be touching on the CNET story, and then going off into general background stuff we've known for a while. It looks like CNET's still the only "real" source. :shrug:Well to me this little bit is interesting because I didn't remember seeing it before...
the device comes with a headphone jack for audiobooks, as well as an e-mail address.
That could imply web browsing. That alone is fabulous and would replace two of my computers just like that! Serious competition to the Asus EEE.






Afterthought: Considering all that vapo(u)r hardware, I'd consider that unit to be in the iPhone's price range, if not the iLiad's!

HarryT
11-16-2007, 09:54 AM
That could imply web browsing. That alone is fabulous and would replace two of my computers just like that! Serious competition to the Asus EEE.


IF it's sold outside the US or (if the rumours about EVDO are true) if it will even WORK outside the US.

nekokami
11-16-2007, 09:59 AM
At least CNET picked up on the content issue. If Amazon has put together some deals with major newspapers, that could sell the devices right there. The hotel idea is a good one, too. That's a lot more of a marketing push than Sony has done.

It will be interesting to see what actually gets announced on Monday.

yvanleterrible
11-16-2007, 10:03 AM
At least CNET picked up on the content issue. If Amazon has put together some deals with major newspapers, that could sell the devices right there. The hotel idea is a good one, too. That's a lot more of a marketing push than Sony has done.

It will be interesting to see what actually gets announced on Monday.If it does! :laugh4:

nekokami
11-16-2007, 10:04 AM
Oh, I think something will get announced on Monday. Too many people involved.

NatCh
11-16-2007, 11:56 AM
Well to me this little bit is interesting because I didn't remember seeing it before...
the device comes with a headphone jack for audiobooks, as well as an e-mail address.I totally missed that bit, and its implications, good catch, yvanleterrible!

I must now muse upon this matter. :chinscratch:

Charbax
11-18-2007, 05:48 AM
Reportedly Robert Scoble was invited to be in New York on monday too: http://scobleizer.com/2007/11/16/amazons-kindle/

Built-in EVDO sounds cool. As long as the EVDO access is very reasonably priced, like somekind of very affordable per MB cost with no monthly payment or something like that.

I wish the wireless was HSDPA and compatible with wireless data around the world, even built-in WiFi would have been nice.

As it loads New York Times and Washington Post every morning, it should also be able to load ones Google Reader feeds in the morning.

Touch-screen and smart keyboard will be awesome. There should be somekind of browser in there.

The Electronic Books should be sold for very reasonable prices, since so many intermediaries including the printing of the paper back version are skipped. There should also be somekind of way to let people get the taste of a book for free before buying, something like a few chapters should be free, and payment is confirmed at that point.

Getting access to Google apps on e-paper will be awesome. Such things as search, blog search, Google maps, Gmail, Google News, all that should be working over the EVDO, using Google Gears to speed up the process and provide offline functionality to save battery power.

Taking notes with a foldable USB keyboard, and thus post to blogs, emails, reviews and more directly using the device, without the need to have a computer.

nekokami
11-18-2007, 03:35 PM
Too bad it probably won't run DotReader. Couldn't you just see Amazon running a DotReader server as an extension to their existing customer reviews, discussion boards, wiki, author blog, etc.?