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sun surfer
11-27-2011, 12:11 PM
Help us choose the December 2011 selection to read for the MobileRead Literary Book Club! The poll will be open for three days.

We will be moving the timeline over half a month this month, so we will have longer than normal to read this month's selection. We will start the discussion thread for the selected work on JANUARY 1ST and a thread for January's nominations will be created five days later on JANUARY 6TH. I will start the threads, but the discussion thread may have a "discussion leader" if one volunteers. Everyone can post whatever thoughts they wish on the month's selection, but the discussion leader's goal will be to continue the dialogue in a thought-provoking direction with discussion questions and the like.

In the event of a tie, there will be a one-day run-off poll. In the event that the run-off poll also ends in a tie, the tie will be resolved in favour of the selection that received all of its initial nominations first.

The poll this month is hidden until close, but everyone is still free to discuss their own votes or anything else relative, if they so wish.


Select from the following works:

The short stories of Saki
This nomination is to “explore his vision of life, society, people, and relationships as it is transmuted through the prism of his work.”

He wrote numerous short stories that total somewhere around 600 pages.


Suggested Central Text:

-Beasts and Super-Beasts


Other Possible Central Texts:

-The Chronicles of Clovis (especially the story “Sredni Vashtar”)
-The Toys of Peace


Also to consider:

-Penguin anthologies “The Complete Saki” or “Complete Short Stories of Saki” (both include all his short stories)
-Various “Best Of” collections


Saki {H. H. Munro,18 December 1870 – 13 November 1916} was born in Burma but after the death of his mother he and his brother and sister were sent home to be raised by a grandmother and two maiden aunts. This was a Disaster. The aunts were totally unsuited to bringing up three lively children. Ridiculous, stupid, and often contradictory restrictions on their wards were constantly applied by the aunts; hence, Charles, Hector, and Ethel were united in hating their "guardians" with a passion. As a result of this experience, Saki wrote a number of brilliant stories featuring a conflict between intelligent, imaginative children and repressive hypocritical adults. The horrible women that dominate many of these stories {such as “The Lumber Room” and “Sredni Vashtar”} are based directly on the two aunts.

Saki was quite happy to criticize the self-satisfied assumptions and morals of Victorian and Edwardian society. Frequently authority figures and conventional attitudes are portrayed as foolish and futile. Nature, on the other hand is "red of tooth and claw" making a mockery of human civilised behaviour patterns.

Saki is one of the most imaginative writers of short fiction in his era and a master of the ironic, macabre and unsettling ending.


From the description for “Complete Short Stories”:

Saki is perhaps the most graceful spokesman for England's 'Golden Afternoon' - the slow and peaceful years before the First World War. Although, like so many of his generation, he died tragically young, in action on the Western Front, his reputation as a writer continued to grow long after his death. His stories are humorous, satiric, supernatural, and macabre, highly individual, full of eccentric wit and unconventional situations. With his great gift as a social satirist of his contemporary upper-class Edwardian world, Saki is one of the few undisputed English masters of the short story.

The Prime Of Miss Jean Brodie by Muriel Spark
"A perfect book." - Chicago Tribune

A short classic novel about an eccentric Edinburgh teacher who inspires cultlike reverence in her young students.

At the staid Marcia Blaine School for Girls, in Edinburgh, Scotland, teacher extraordinaire Miss Jean Brodie is unmistakably, and outspokenly, in her prime. She is passionate in the application of her unorthodox teaching methods, in her attraction to the married art master, Teddy Lloyd, in her affair with the bachelor music master, Gordon Lowther, and—most important—in her dedication to "her girls," the students she selects to be her crème de la crème. Fanatically devoted, each member of the Brodie set—Eunice, Jenny, Mary, Monica, Rose, and Sandy—is "famous for something," and Miss Brodie strives to bring out the best in each one. Determined to instill in them independence, passion, and ambition, Miss Brodie advises her girls, "Safety does not come first. Goodness, Truth, and Beauty come first. Follow me."

And they do. But one of them will betray her.

The Daughter Of Time by Josephine Tey
“One of the best mysteries of all time.” - The New York Times

Part of the “Inspector Alan Grant” series

Josephine Tey re-creates one of history's most famous -- and vicious -- crimes in her classic novel, a must read for connoisseurs of fiction.

Inspector Alan Grant of Scotland Yard, recuperating from a broken leg, becomes fascinated with a contemporary portrait of Richard III that bears no resemblance to the Wicked Uncle of history. Could such a sensitive, noble face actually belong to one of the world's most heinous villains -- a venomous hunchback who may have killed his brother's children to make his crown secure? Or could Richard have been the victim, turned into a monster by the usurpers of England's throne? Grant determines to find out once and for all, with the help of the British Museum and an American scholar, what kind of man Richard Plantagenet really was and who killed the Little Princes in the Tower.

The Daughter of Time is an ingeniously plotted, beautifully written, and suspenseful tale, a supreme achievement from one of mystery writing's most gifted masters.

Twenty-Six And One And Other Stories by Maxim Gorky
This collection includes: Twenty-Six and One, Tchelkache, and Malva.

Maxim Gorky (1868 - 1936) is the pen name of the Soviet/Russian author Aleksei Maksimovich Peshkov -- orphaned at the age of nine, he was raised by his grandmother, a story-teller, who imprinted on him a love for tales and travel. All of his varied jobs and the places, people and situations he encountered on his way can be found in his stories.

He was a founder of the socialist realism literary method and a political activist. From 1906 to 1913 and from 1921 to 1929 he lived abroad, mostly in Capri, Italy; after his return to the Soviet Union he accepted the cultural policies of the time, although he was not permitted to leave the country.

From the introduction by Ivan Strannik: "The interest of these stories does not lie in the unraveling of an intricate plot. They are rather fragments of life, bits of biography covering some particular period, without reaching the limits of a real drama. And these are no more artificially combined than are the events of real life. Everything that he relates, Gorky has seen."

issybird
11-27-2011, 12:25 PM
Something to drink with sashimi, please!

issybird
11-27-2011, 12:29 PM
OK, more seriously: I've read the Spark and Tey nominations, more than once, even, and Saki sounds like much more fun than Gorky.

JSWolf
11-27-2011, 12:29 PM
Too bad someone botched a book by Josephine Tey by nominating a book in a series that's not the first one. It would have been the clear choice.

issybird
11-27-2011, 12:35 PM
Too bad someone botched a book by Josephine Tey by nominating a book in a series that's not the first one. It would have been the clear choice.

The Daughter of Time is a stand-alone effort. Even though the detective appears in other Tey novels, there's no way this book can be considered to be part of a series. I don't think there's anything clear about the choice, however. My own opinion? I was charmed by it the first time I read it, when I was young and gullible; much less so when I reread it recently to help while away sleepless nights. But that's strictly my own humble opinion, of course, which I would never claim to be universal.

sun surfer
11-27-2011, 12:48 PM
I voted for the prime book that I nominated. :D

All of the choices this month look great to me, though. I can't wait to see which wins.

Nyssa
11-27-2011, 01:30 PM
The Prime Of Miss Jean Brodie by Muriel Spark & Complete Short Stories of Saki both sounded interesting to me. Unfortunately, neither is available as a usable e-book.

I found a copy of the Saki stories, but both people who reviewed the Kindle edition complained about bad formatting.

fantasyfan
11-27-2011, 02:05 PM
I stuck with my original nomination of Saki using Beasts and Super Beasts as the central text--and the e-Book section has a free copy. All of the nominations sound quite interesting, though.

Hamlet53
11-27-2011, 02:24 PM
While I definitely plan on reading some Saki, specifically Beasts, Super-Beasts (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13417), and will read it this month if it happens to be selected, I am concerned about how well Saki short stories in general will work for a discussion. I recently persuaded the two book clubs at my local library to read a collection of nine short stories and for both discussions did not go well. Granted the people who participate in the MobileRead Literary Book Club are more literary and varied in their reading habits then my locals, but I wonder how it will go even here when people may not even have all read the same stories.

Twenty-Six And One And Other Stories I have already read (and more than once) so I would prefer something that I have never read.

That leaves me with two alternatives, and of those two The Prime Of Miss Jean Brodie is the book I think that I would enjoy more.

Whatever wins though I will read and offer my input to the discussion. :book2:

Nyssa
11-27-2011, 02:27 PM
My being unfamiliar with Sony and its formats, do either of you know whether or not Beasts, Super-Beasts will convert correctly for the Kindle?

fantasyfan
11-27-2011, 02:37 PM
The Prime Of Miss Jean Brodie by Muriel Spark & Complete Short Stories of Saki both sounded interesting to me. Unfortunately, neither is available as a usable e-book.

I found a copy of the Saki stories, but both people who reviewed the Kindle edition complained about bad formatting.

If you go to the E-Books section of this forum, then choose miscellaneous as format you'll be in the e-book uploads section. Click on format and change it to ALL. Enter "short fiction" for the genre. Click on S in the alphabetical toolbar. Saki will be the entry right after the Sabatini selections. The very first choice for Saki is Beasts, Super Beasts in a zipped LRF format.

Now, if you download and unzip the LRF file and enter it in Calibre, it will easily and quickly convert to Mobi and will have a perfectly accessible table of contents. I've tried it and it works perfectly on my Kindle 3.

Of course, Saki might not win, ;) but this is a useful edition of one of his best collections for anyone who would like to sample his writing in a decent format for free.

BTW Nyssa, You may well know how to do this already but your post was a useful excuse to tell others about this edition. Please don't take offense. :o

Nyssa
11-27-2011, 02:44 PM
My being unfamiliar with Sony and its formats, do either of you know whether or not Beasts, Super-Beasts will convert correctly for the Kindle?

If you go to the E-Books section of this forum, then choose miscellaneous as format you'll be in the e-book uploads section. Click on format and change it to ALL. Enter "short fiction" for the genre. Click on S in the alphabetical toolbar. Saki will be the entry right after the Sabatini selections. The very first choice for Saki is Beasts, Super Beasts in a zipped LRF format.

Now, if you download and unzip the LRF file and enter it in Calibre, it will easily and quickly convert to Mobi and will have a perfectly accessible table of contents. I've tried it and it works perfectly on my Kindle 3.

Of course, Saki might not win, ;) but this is a useful edition of one of his best collections for anyone who would like to sample his writing in a decent format for free.

BTW Nyssa, You may well know how to do this already but your post was a useful excuse to tell others about this edition. Please don't take offense. :o

No offense taken, :) I just finished doing that, actually, but was unsure if it would work well, as I'm not use to having to convert lrf files.

caleb72
11-27-2011, 05:02 PM
I'm going Saki. It's a available and seems a bit more interesting than Gorky this time around. Unfortunately, I can't seem to get The Prime of Miss Jean Brody and The Daughter of Time is going to cost me $10 to read which I'm not sure I can justify as a book club read (but we'll see).

jersysman
11-27-2011, 05:51 PM
I went with the The Daughter of Time. It sounds like an interesting read for me and it was available at B&N

For this time of year, I need something that it is not too thick and will make for easier reading as my time is very limited at this time of year.

JSWolf
11-27-2011, 06:14 PM
My being unfamiliar with Sony and its formats, do either of you know whether or not Beasts, Super-Beasts will convert correctly for the Kindle?

Unzip the LRF and you can use Calibre to convert to Mobi.

Nyssa
11-27-2011, 08:21 PM
Unzip the LRF and you can use Calibre to convert to Mobi.

Thank you Jon. I figured it out earlier and converted it. It looks pretty good.

JSWolf
11-27-2011, 08:30 PM
Thank you Jon. I figured it out earlier and converted it. It looks pretty good.

I've converted LRF to ePub. It works well enough.

ficbot
11-28-2011, 08:49 AM
Daughter of Time is available for free on this forum, just for people who are looking :) I voted for it since I nominated it and want to read it, but I would be happy with The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie winning too.

Hamlet53
11-28-2011, 09:01 AM
Daughter of Time is available for free on this forum, just for people who are looking :) I voted for it since I nominated it and want to read it, but I would be happy with The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie winning too.


:thanks:

epub (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=86336)

prc (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44219)

imp
(http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44217)

lit (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44218)

caleb72
11-28-2011, 09:14 AM
Oh - I'm such a fool. I didn't think in a million years that The Daughter of Time would be public domain. Just checked and it appears in the Australian Gutenberg site as well.

So I can definitely read 3 out of 4 of the offerings this month.

:)

paola
11-28-2011, 06:03 PM
I had to vote for Saki's short stories, as I am totally enthralled with Spring Snow (slowly, but I'm getting there!) - but I'll be happy with any of the four.

Skip_intro
11-30-2011, 07:17 AM
I like the way there's a hidden poll, followed by discussion about which books the poster has chosen. Perhaps someone should keep a running tally... :rolleyes:

Nyssa
11-30-2011, 07:02 PM
Oh! When did this poll close?

The short stories of Saki takes the win.

ficbot
11-30-2011, 08:01 PM
So, where do we get it and which stories to read?

fantasyfan
12-01-2011, 02:39 AM
So, where do we get it and which stories to read?

The core book is Beasts and Super Beasts which you can get on the e-book section of this forum. It is very well formatted.

paola
12-01-2011, 04:02 AM
thanks Fantasyfan, it is here (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13417)

caleb72
12-01-2011, 04:04 AM
I'm pretty happy with this actually as I've never read Saki and the fact that it's short stories makes it less imposing.

Just have to finish A Christmas Carol and The Little World of Don Camillo- then I'm on this. :)

fantasyfan
12-01-2011, 04:06 AM
It is also obtainable in Epub and Mobi direct from Project Gutenberg. PG provides a good TOC. However, the AZW copy from Many Books was awful with no accessible TOC. In the end, I personally liked the MR edition here most, though you have to convert it in Calibre.

dreams
12-01-2011, 04:50 AM
I also found Beasts and Super-Beasts & The Chronicles of Clovis by Saki at feedbooks (http://www.feedbooks.com/search?query=saki) for free. I have not checked the formatting for the mobi nor the epub.

Hamlet53
12-01-2011, 08:08 AM
The LRF for Beasts and Super-Beasts (for the MR e-book library) is already on my Sony reader and will be up soon. I am right now finishing up The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie (short book) and will probably fit a couple of more books in before starting Saki to finish that up closer to the discussion open.

caleb72
12-05-2011, 03:06 AM
I know we're not starting the discussion yet, but just wanted to say that I'm enjoying the stories so far. I don't know if I'll read more than Beasts and Super-Beasts for the book club read, but the stories are a bit of fun.

My reading is quite often heavy. Nice to have something a little lighter every once in a while.

fantasyfan
12-05-2011, 02:52 PM
I feel the same way. :) ;)

BTW I found "The Cobweb" to be an interesting piece. But I'll save my thoughts on it and other stories until the discussion.

caleb72
12-05-2011, 04:40 PM
I feel the same way. :) ;)

BTW I found "The Cobweb" to be an interesting piece. But I'll save my thoughts on it and other stories until the discussion.

Just read that one last night. I'll be interested to read what you have to write about it.

sun surfer
12-08-2011, 06:46 PM
I bought "The Complete Short Stories of Saki". It's a little over 400 pages. For now I'm going in order from the beginning, which seem to be all Reginald stories at first.

Hamlet53
12-13-2011, 04:55 PM
So I have finished reading all of the stories in the collection Beasts and Super-Beasts as well as specifically seeking out Sredni Vashtar and The Lumber Room based on fantasyfan's original recommendation for Saki's works. I must say that I found the stories quite different from what I was expecting given fantsyfan's biography of Saki and description of his work, and given that I had no previous knowledge of the author. I look forward to reading the comments that come in on this selection.

fantasyfan
12-15-2011, 09:29 AM
If anyone is interested, here is a short and rather basic general commentary on Saki {including some references for further reading} which nonetheless throws out some interesting {but by no means completely complimentary} ideas about him.

Strangely, Saki was a conservative supporter of the Empire and still deeply critical of the Edwardian society it produced which he contemptuously portrayed with a veiled but malicious innuendo. I've also become aware of a streak of cruelty in his writing--but perhaps it's better to save that until the discussion.


http://kirjasto.sci.fi/saki.htm

caleb72
12-15-2011, 07:34 PM
I finished Beasts and Super-Beasts. I'm not sure exactly what to say in the discussion thread.

Thanks fantasyfan for nominating this author. I had never heard of him and although I may not avidly pursue works outside of the core text, I have enjoyed my time with Saki.

fantasyfan
12-18-2011, 10:54 AM
Just a bit of trivia . . . ;) Today is Saki's birthday. :)

sun surfer
01-01-2012, 01:06 PM
Happy new year! I'll be posting the discussion thread later today; would anyone like to lead the discussion?

Bookworm_Girl
01-04-2012, 12:47 AM
The Daughter of Time is a stand-alone effort. Even though the detective appears in other Tey novels, there's no way this book can be considered to be part of a series.

I had time this month to read the nomination as well as The Daughter of Time. I enjoyed it and will seek out more of the series. It was interesting to compare this book with other historical fiction novels that I have read regarding the Princes in the Tower. I can confirm that one can read this book without detriment if you have not read any of the other Tey novels. One is able to get a good feel for each of the characters that are introduced regardless of knowing their past escapades.