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aapezzuto
10-22-2007, 06:33 PM
Ive been working with some of the staff to try and restructure the MobileRead Wiki (http://wiki.mobileread.com/) to make it more usable. One of the things that I need to know to make a good set of recommendations is what people use MobileRead for. I'm looking for all reasonable use cases for a person who has interacted with this site for less than 30 days. It is understood that people will create new content, and find tools that can meet their needs (or even alter tools to meet their unmet needs) given enough time, but that expands "reasonable" to much... and I just don't want "Time Travel" to be a reasonable use case!

What I have come up with so far:


I'm into books and reading

I'm into electronic books

I'm looking for resources to download books
I'm looking for ebook software
I want to learn about ebook related stuff
I want information to help make a buying descision (reader or software)
I want information to make a format descition(software, purchase, archival)


I want to talk to other people
I want to share something
I want to help out
I want to know what mobile read is
I dont know, I followed a link here


Missing anything?

nekokami
10-22-2007, 08:12 PM
Does "I'm looking for ebook software" include the software not related to ebooks that we share for the iLiad, or would you like to break that out separately?

On a humorous note, "I'm looking for an argument about DRM/Copyright Law/The future of e ink/..." ;)

More seriously, "I'm interested in industry rumors or early release information about ebook reading technology" might count as a separate item.

yvanleterrible
10-23-2007, 09:06 AM
Waiting for the release of my perfect reading device. This is the best place to discuss about all new sightings.

jamesdmanley
10-23-2007, 10:40 AM
i found the site while trying to look up info on the prs-500 before making the sony card plunge. the info on their website is abysmal. i stayed for the updated tech/news articles, software, books, and chat.

edit: i found this site from a google search for "prs-500"

Jaapjan
10-24-2007, 04:07 AM
The only generic advice I'd give is ... don't make too many categories. Don't spread everyone out too thin.

aapezzuto
10-24-2007, 07:01 AM
More seriously, "I'm interested in industry rumors or early release information about ebook reading technology" might count as a separate item.

Up to date tech news / insider secrets for "special" stock market transactions... hadn't thought of that one...

I think that illiad apps are covered in part by 1-2 of those use cases...

The only generic advice I'd give is ... don't make too many categories. Don't spread everyone out too thin.

Before going off on some crazy rant about wiki structure, and the design intent of MediaWiki when designing their content coupling scheme... I'll make a clarification on the use of the word categories in the context of MediaWiki wiki software...

In this context a category would be a grouping mechanism, that is non-exclusive (a page can belong to more than one) and allows for automatic linking, tracking, and traversal between the pages in said category.

However if what you mean is keep the front page un-cluttered, and easy to find what most people are actually looking for... I'm right there with you!


now ... MORE FEEDBACK... I must have more feedback!

vivaldirules
10-24-2007, 07:02 AM
Unfortunately, one is likely to be "I'm looking for free [pirated] ebooks, converters to remove DRM, and anything else free I can get my hands on.":(

Alexander Turcic
10-24-2007, 07:52 AM
Unfortunately, one is likely to be "I'm looking for free [pirated] ebooks, converters to remove DRM, and anything else free I can get my hands on.":(

Heh... yeah... no. :unafraid:

nekokami
10-24-2007, 08:26 AM
Up to date tech news / insider secrets for "special" stock market transactions... hadn't thought of that one...
I meant from a geek/futurist point of view, not a stock trading pov, but whatever. :)

I still think a number of people seem to be coming looking for an argument. ;)

NatCh
10-24-2007, 11:14 AM
Unfortunately, one is likely to be "I'm looking for free [pirated] ebooks, converters to remove DRM, and anything else free I can get my hands on.":(Heh... yeah... no. :unafraid:Actually, that might be a good section to have -- it would give us a place to put MobileRead's Official Policy on the matter. I'm thinking a somewhat more ... detailed version of Alex's comments here. :grin:

DaleDe
10-24-2007, 12:12 PM
Actually, that might be a good section to have -- it would give us a place to put MobileRead's Official Policy on the matter. I'm thinking a somewhat more ... detailed version of Alex's comments here. :grin:

I think that the official policies for the site would be a good item as well as submission guidelines for submitted books. There could be links to specific topics in the forum for ongoing discussion.

I am a bit confused about the original list of topics. Some of those are not appropriate for a wiki but are for a forum such as talking to other people about a topic (except that the wiki could be used to discuss the needs for content in a page). It could be that links from the wiki could be into the forums when discussion is expected to be likely.

The wiki should have topics to answer questions about technology and terms that come up when a user is first interested in ebooks. From time to time it becomes clear that a forum discussion has made some key clarifications in this regard and, at this point, it would be good for someone to distill the points and create or amplify the wiki page.

I have spent quite a bit of time looking at the wiki and many topics still need flushing out, more cross references are needed. The data in the wiki is beginning to get to be very valuable although some is difficult to find. The forums need to point to the wiki when appropriate.

Dale

aapezzuto
10-24-2007, 02:58 PM
The use cases are not to outline the structure of the wiki directly, they are so that we can get into the mindset of a new user... One of the problems with becoming a specialist is that you forget what is actually common knowledge. One of the problems with "hanging out" in a social network like this for too long is it starts to serve new and strange purposes... that can only evolve with time...
(yes, I'm guilty of using mobileRead as a mild stimulant while sleep deprived, and as an antidepressant when I'm feeling lonely... :disappoin )

Forums are a good way to document a dialog, and have everyone get a chance to speak up... but they are harder to get that immediate satisfaction a first time browser might want/need to get hooked... and Its all about sharing the addiction!

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The use case of "looking for materials we have problems with" is a perfect example of the sort of thing I need to realize but overlooked... If we can address this request, change their expectations in a friendly and prompt manner, we might yield a more pleasant encounter with those miscreants.

In fact, it has been my experience that when expectations are not met, that is what causes distress... not the experience itself.

tsgreer
10-24-2007, 04:46 PM
This is totally off-topic, but I gotta ask what are those creatures in your avatar aapezzuto? I can't figure out what they are...:)

vivaldirules
10-24-2007, 04:48 PM
This is totally off-topic, but I gotta ask what are those creatures in your avatar aapezzuto? I can't figure out what they are...:)

Same here. Tell us, please!

NatCh
10-24-2007, 05:28 PM
I'll third that question!

ebookie
10-24-2007, 06:57 PM
How about this one :

" I'm looking for credible ways to exploit the paradigm shift enabled by electronic paper products to be a founder and/or early employee in the next Google sized success story. "

Seriously, there are lots of assumptions about things that can be re-examined and need some serious vetting before going off hat in hand to the likes of Kleiner Perkins, Caufield, Byers.

For example, is there a market for an identity card device such that one side is e-paper and the other is one or more biometric sensors so that I can scan my index finger across the reader and have my driver's license appear on the other side. Difficult to forge, useless to crooks, could hold all of the cards in my wallet perhaps. But to develop it there are three key questions:
1) What is the cost of the gear per-unit and lifetime expectency?
2) Are there any existing future-tech ID systems programs being sponsored by any federal agencies (always nice to get some tax payer dollars back)
3) What are the three key players that would have to 'buy in' to such a scheme to make it fundable?

I'd love a section on developer's kits (like the E-Ink one) and using existing products (like Jtag's disection of the Iliad) to develop E-paper applications.

We could benefit from hosting a small section on cross-compiling with step by step how to guides.

--Chuck

JSWolf
10-24-2007, 07:22 PM
I think those are spider monkeys in that avatar.

aapezzuto
10-25-2007, 01:21 AM
I think those are spider monkeys in that avatar.

They are albino pygmy marmoset twins (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/09/060901-monkeys-photo.html). I have two twin girls who were born on 10/3/07, and are frequently referred to as monkeys or lizards. It is their strange feeding schedule that has made it possible for me to check the forums about 6 times a day (during any non-parallel feeding):2thumbsup

nekokami
10-25-2007, 10:39 AM
Wow, I had no idea there were any primates who were so small, even at birth.

Another use case: "I want to meet other people and learn interesting things I would never have thought to investigate otherwise." But I suppose that's a use case for the forums, not the wiki.

HappyMartin
10-25-2007, 11:19 AM
They are albino pygmy marmoset twins (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/09/060901-monkeys-photo.html). I have two twin girls who were born on 10/3/07, and are frequently referred to as monkeys or lizards. It is their strange feeding schedule that has made it possible for me to check the forums about 6 times a day (during any non-parallel feeding):2thumbsup

Wow but those things are cute.

Back to topic.
I do find the advice on devices useful and thats what I came for but now I have my device and that side of things interests me less. I am now more interested in books, recommendations and where to find and so on. Just communicating with others that like reading is most pleasant.

NatCh
10-25-2007, 12:11 PM
They are albino pygmy marmoset twins (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/09/060901-monkeys-photo.html).

__________________
:brood::brood:. . . .:uhoh2: The twins made me do it!

Lizard Monkeys! :beam:

That brings your sig line into sharp focus. :grin:

Are you located in South America then?

aapezzuto
10-25-2007, 02:09 PM
No, it was an interesting genetic cloning experiment though (I am in the middle of the US, almost literally, in Indianapolis Indiana). They were mono-amniotic (they were in the same sack) which provides extra risks of cord accidents. Because of this, they were on continuous monitoring from the moment that they had more than a 50% chance of survival outside the womb(27 weeks). Because of this strange situation they gained some level of involuntary control in our lives much sooner than cute little mutants normally do. I will have to put up a page on my web space, documenting this mess, and with a few pics... we have 3-4 pics of the cord when they were delivered... they are braided together, and there are 2 true knots... its amazing they did so well.

yvanleterrible
10-25-2007, 02:33 PM
I have always felt that english needed a sarcasm mark... That would help prevent a sarchasm (http://www.unwords.com/unword/sarchasm.html) while reading, or messaging online.

Sarcasm does not need any symbol to represent it. It would be a pleonasm in the fact that sacasm is used to point out an inadequacy of subtlety in the recipient. It is always a test do be done with care to a recipient's levels of understanding, unless evaluating a public. Failure of one to recognize a sarcasm affirms the inadequacy test, but one who finds humo(u)r in it is rewarded with parity. If the tester wants peace it is worthless to use a sarcasm unless its level is low... very low. :grin2:

aapezzuto
10-25-2007, 02:54 PM
signature update, and the rest of my previous post has been taken to where I meant to post it here (and edited to remove my mistake)

wow thats subtle... "the twins" has a hyperlink... ill go edit my signature to make it more obvious.

nekokami
10-25-2007, 03:11 PM
Sarcasm does not need any symbol to represent it. It would be a pleonasm in the fact that sacasm is used to point out an inadequacy of subtlety in the recipient. It is always a test do be done with care to a recipient's levels of understanding, unless evaluating a public. Failure of one to recognize a sarcasm affirms the inadequacy test, but one who finds humo(u)r in it is rewarded with parity. If the tester wants peace it is worthless to use a sarcasm unless its level is low... very low. :grin2:

See Suzette Haden Elgin's The Language Imperative for an interesting discussion on the lack of intonation and other marks of intent in written English, and the effect of these lacks on its "deniability".

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yvanleterrible
10-26-2007, 09:52 AM
signature update, and the rest of my previous post has been taken to where I meant to post it here (and edited to remove my mistake)

wow thats subtle... "the twins" has a hyperlink... ill go edit my signature to make it more obvious.Hey, aapezzuto! I wasn't giving you flack, I was just reflecting on the use of sarcasm as a tool. Some people feel it is a cruel one and I do too, I rarely use it; unless I want to politely insult someone who deserves it. :grin: Relax it's not your case. As neko points out, it is a real challenge to bring up what you really mean when you choose to write as a way of expression. Your suggesting a sarcasm symbol only shows that you are graphic in your natural expression and a pretty good artist at that. You've shown it with the logo attempts. Speaking of which, I hope you didn't abandon your search for one.