October is rapidly running out. Unless Bookeen finally start taking orders this week, I think their chance of actually shipping product by the end of the month are "remote", to say the least!

There is a new blog entry (http://bookeen.blogspot.com/) at Bookens blog saying: "We will very soon open our online shop (and by the way add much more info concerning the Cybook Gen3 on the site). Here is a pic of the packaging of the Cybook Gen3."

That's good news. The link in your post doesn't work, BTW.

October is rapidly running out. Unless Bookeen finally start taking orders this week, I think their chance of actually shipping product by the end of the month are "remote", to say the least!
I still don't think it'll be ready. Heck, they just released 0.99 of the firmware. So I'm still going by a November release date. They have yet to get 1.0 of the firmware ready. And once that is ready, they still have to make all the units and package them and ship them and so forth. So November is a lot more realistic at this time. Unless of course to be done in October they rush out an unfinished product. if they do that though, their reputation will be mud.

I still don't think it'll be ready. Heck, they just released 0.99 of the firmware. So I'm still going by a November release date. They have yet to get 1.0 of the firmware ready. And once that is ready, they still have to make all the units and package them and ship them and so forth. So November is a lot more realistic at this time.


At the rate they're releasing the latest firmware updates, they probably will have v1.0 by this upcoming Friday. That's a good three days before the end of the month. As long as it contains the working audio plug-in, the ability to pan and zoom PDFs and either support for multi-file HTML ebooks or RTF support, I'd say they could ship and call it a commercial product. Note that I asked for *either* multiple-file HTML ebook support *OR* RTF support. Either one would give the widest range of ebook support for a v1.0 release. Then, whichever one they haven't got, could be added in the next update or so.

I must admit that I'd really like some sort of PC app which does the update process through the USB cable... For a novice, the updating of firmware through the SD card can be a bit scary. (I say this because the 0.98 update was - for me - rather scary and frustrating, and I'm *not* a handheld/pc updating novice.)

Taking the menu shots today. Will post. But I'm finding the rest of the Cybook's 0.99 firmware is quite stable. And I'm loving the no-flash-with-black-screen page flip to be rather nice for book reading. I'd not want to use it during the image-viewer slideshow, but it is more comfortable for books.

I must note that there's a slow, but minor, build-up of pale grey shadowing where the old lines used to be. It's not irritating, just *there*, after a few dozen page flips when not using 'flashing'. I'll try to capture it and post the image.

Derek

Can you take a book and flip the pages without the flashing and show s how it looks at the end of the book? Does it get worse enough so you want the flashing at some point just to clean the ghosting?

I must admit that I'd really like some sort of PC app which does the update process through the USB cable... For a novice, the updating of firmware through the SD card can be a bit scary. (I say this because the 0.98 update was - for me - rather scary and frustrating, and I'm *not* a handheld/pc updating novice.)


Well, to support as many operating system as possible updating throught the SD card is the best way to go. I also find it more scary to update hardware using a PC since this process is sensitive to power drop out or disconnection of cable and other unforseen events.

Some question about functionality. How does bookmarks work? Can you have more than one bookmark i a book? Can you toggle between or cycle through bookmarks in different books?

Well, to support as many operating system as possible updating throught the SD card is the best way to go. I also find it more scary to update hardware using a PC since this process is sensitive to power drop out or disconnection of cable and other unforseen events.

Some question about functionality. How does bookmarks work? Can you have more than one bookmark i a book? Can you toggle between or cycle through bookmarks in different books?

Bookmarks? What are these 'bookmarks' of which you speak???

:D :D :D

IOW, at this level of firmware one had better be of the attitude of "We don't need no steenkeeng bookmarks!". I suppose that this feature will become available, just that it's not present in version 0.99 firmware.

Derek

Can you take a book and flip the pages without the flashing and show s how it looks at the end of the book? Does it get worse enough so you want the flashing at some point just to clean the ghosting?

Gosh Durn It!!! Do you know how long it takes to flip through 1,200-1,500 pages?!? Me thumb will be all worn out!!! :D

Okay, I'll dedicate tomorrow for my Day of the Sore Thumb. :)

Derek

Gosh Durn It!!! Do you know how long it takes to flip through 1,200-1,500 pages?!? Me thumb will be all worn out!!! :D

Okay, I'll dedicate tomorrow for my Day of the Sore Thumb. :)

Derek
Just set the font to a size that gives you maybe 500-700 pages. That should be fine and you can stop once you see the pages become a bit unreadable.

It remembers where in the book you were, when you exit the book.

What a bookmark is is a way to mark a page you are currently on. The Sony PRS-500/505 both have that ability. I use it mostly to mark a page that has an error for a book I've converted where I can go and fix it later on.

What a bookmark is is a way to mark a page you are currently on. The Sony PRS-500/505 both have that ability. I use it mostly to mark a page that has an error for a book I've converted where I can go and fix it later on.

Nothing like stating the obvious. :tired:

Yeah, like, you know... I *know* what a bookmark is. I was just being facetious about it. And, no, the Cybook does *NOT* support this feature in v0.99.


:)


Derek

The Mobi reader on the iLiad doesn't support bookmarks either, while we're on the subject :).

The Mobipocket reader remembers the last page for any given book, and since the implementations for Bookeen and iRex must be similar I'd say it's possible already.


However I don't think you can bookmark a specific page other than the last, it's sort of a last known position. :)

PS: Sorry Harry, I didn't see your post. :) So last position doesn't count as a bookmark?

I'll not be ordering for a while yet.
Too much info on the Gen3 is still missing.
I still haven't seen any indepth info on battery life, startup time and/or sleep mode.
Perhaps I missed all that in the posts over the last few weeks and somehow I must have missed that "Here is the review!!" post I was expecting.

You are not alone. (and you didn't miss a thing) We are all still expecting that review.
(probably even more than we expect the cybook... nah, not that much)

I have the feeling we can't expect a stellar battery life. It will be measured in days (as opposed to the iLiadan hours, but not in weeks as the Sonys)

Maybe we'll finally get that review next week. (or maybe even the cybook in 2 weeks...) ;)

Why do you think the battery life will only be days? Anybody know if it will charge via the USB? If it charge via USB I suppose I can live with charging it often.

I really do not see an alternative reader to buy in Europe if you want a warranty that works without to much trouble. And I like the poilcy to support a lot of formats.

You are not alone. (and you didn't miss a thing) We are all still expecting that review.
(probably even more than we expect the cybook... nah, not that much)

I have the feeling we can't expect a stellar battery life. It will be measured in days (as opposed to the iLiadan hours, but not in weeks as the Sonys)

Maybe well finally get that review next week. (or maybe even the cybook in 2 weeks...) ;)

Things have *changed* a bit with the current firmware. The Cybook now can be set to Auto Power Off after a set period of inactivity. Me, I like the 45 minute setting, but each user can choose between 5, 10, 15, 30, 45 or 60 minutes as well as set it to not do an Auto Power Off.

With that feature, the reader will probably have a battery charge life measured in weeks. After I get done taking the menu images, and the 'ghosting' when not using the 'flashing-between-page-flips' feature, I will specifically reset the Auto Power Off to a comfortable 15 minutes and see how long it takes for average use and shut-down to drain the battery.

Derek

FYI...I have Mobipocket on my newly acquired NX73v Clie and it supports bookmarks. It's version 5.3 build 582 for Palm OS 5.x...

No matter I STILL want one of these Cybook readers but am gonna wait until maybe spring of next year...I have fallen off the early adopter treadmill.

And I LOVE this thread and the great reviews Derek has given us out here...from my experience the issues encountered so far are nothing to be concerned about at all. In fact Bookeen's rapid responses show their idea of pre-release testing is serious and done right. Not many companies really care enough to do this anymore. Who knew I would ever say this about a company that likely has statues of Jerry Lewis in the lobby!! :D

But unless something else develops in the way of price from some somewhere like Amazon of the NY Times themselves...Bookeen is gonna get my business.

I still want a smaller more paperback/pda sized version though but am sure I can adapt... :)

Why do you think the battery life will only be days? Anybody know if it will charge via the USB? If it charge via USB I suppose I can live with charging it often.

I really do not see an alternative reader to buy in Europe if you want a warranty that works without to much trouble. And I like the poilcy to support a lot of formats.

With amazon awfully quiet, the cybook is virtually my device of choice in the 6 inch camp. Not only for warranty and support (we still have to see about that ) but also formats suuport, and flexibility. On a 6 incher if you want to maintain compatibility and minimize conversion efforts, mobipocket is one of your best options. (until ePub support spreads that is)

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With the new timer feature that Derek mentioned I guess we'll get a bit over a week of battery life. Far from Sony, but far from the iLiad as well.
Derek will correct me if I'm wrong but I think the cybook charges through USB.

Don't get me wrong 1 week is a very good BL, just not book-like enough.

For battery life there is a critical point (that AFAIK only Sony has hit) where you never actually run out of battery, 'cause the little you connect it to your USB (just for content) it's the little it needs to recharge.

Well if Derek is going to do a battery life test hopefully we won't see the results for a couple of weeks. ;-)

Well if Derek is going to do a battery life test hopefully we won't see the results for a couple of weeks. ;-)

Maybe, maybe not! :D

You have to understand that I'm in a position to read about 12 hours per day. Given that, even with the auto power off feature set to 10 minutes of inactivity, I'll probably drain the battery in under 5 days. Now if I were reading for 3-4 hours per day, that might rise to 10-12 days. :)


Derek

On the bright side, it sounds like that is more than enough battery power for me. On the not-so-bright side, I'm jealous that you can read 12 hours a day! That is a treasured day indeed that I get to read so much. Unfortunately with my schedule I think the battery would last me weeks. If it can last me through a long international flight or a few days of backpacking, I'm a happy girl. I can only fantasize about extended periods of reading away from a charging source.

I still don't think it'll be ready. Heck, they just released 0.99 of the firmware. So I'm still going by a November release date. They have yet to get 1.0 of the firmware ready. And once that is ready, they still have to make all the units and package them and ship them and so forth. So November is a lot more realistic at this time. Unless of course to be done in October they rush out an unfinished product. if they do that though, their reputation will be mud.

Looks like they're going to miss yet another self-imposed deadline. Wouldn't it be easier for Bookeen to set the release date in 2008, instead of looking like a bunch of amateurs when they say: "Ok, we know we let you down before, but this time we really mean it..." (with their fingers crossed behind their backs)

On the bright side, it sounds like that is more than enough battery power for me. On the not-so-bright side, I'm jealous that you can read 12 hours a day! That is a treasured day indeed that I get to read so much. Unfortunately with my schedule I think the battery would last me weeks. If it can last me through a long international flight or a few days of backpacking, I'm a happy girl. I can only fantasize about extended periods of reading away from a charging source.


That *is* one of the beautiful things about having such a long battery life! And to think that it comes from an 800mAH battery!?! :)

You'd not be so jealous if you had to put up with my physical woes... :( But the compensation of being able to read all my books all the time, well, let's just say that it makes a *world* of difference. :)

Derek

Looks like they're going to miss yet another self-imposed deadline. Wouldn't it be easier for Bookeen to set the release date in 2008, instead of looking like a bunch of amateurs when they say: "Ok, we know we let you down before, but this time we really mean it..." (with their fingers crossed behind their backs)


First off, it's only October 22nd. That means they have nine (9) days left to crank out version 1.0 and get their first retail units available. Given that version 0.99 of the firmware is quite nice - and that it has most of the utility the average consumer will want and need - I don't really see where they can't attain their goals either by October 31st or within the first week of November.

Of course, if they *did* decide to hold off for later next month, they'd probably be able to add in more features :)

Derek

Of course, if they *did* decide to hold off for later next month, they'd probably be able to add in more features :)

Derek

Oh I hope not.
I want a good ebook reader not a bad "mp3-playing-contact-list-agenda-cute-games-playing-notebook-wifi-internet-photo-showing-thingy-that-you-can-read-with".

As long as the industry keeps turning out Swiss army knifes instead of cheap comfortable ebook readers, the devices have as much chance of becoming a succes as a snowflake has of becoming a snowstorm inside a working microwave oven.

Yes, and you pay more for the do everything, but none of it all that well type nonsense.

Things have *changed* a bit with the current firmware. The Cybook now can be set to Auto Power Off after a set period of inactivity. Me, I like the 45 minute setting, but each user can choose between 5, 10, 15, 30, 45 or 60 minutes as well as set it to not do an Auto Power Off.

With that feature, the reader will probably have a battery charge life measured in weeks. After I get done taking the menu images, and the 'ghosting' when not using the 'flashing-between-page-flips' feature, I will specifically reset the Auto Power Off to a comfortable 15 minutes and see how long it takes for average use and shut-down to drain the battery.

Derek

I managed to get most of the way through the current book I'm reading, call it 85% or about 1,200 page-flips, and I thought I'd post some shots of the level of ghosting present when you turn off 'flashing' between page-flips.

As you can see, it's noticeable, but not all that unpleasant or irritating.

Derek

Wow, that's really not all that bad.

I think it would be cool if the guys at bookeen could make an option to flash every X pages. I think flashing every 100 pages would be nice.

Yes maybe they could add a menu/button option to fully refresh the screen. Or maybe a mercury switch sensor so you can turn it upside down and shake it like an etch a sketch. :-)

Seriously it's nice that they're trying new options.

I managed to get most of the way through the current book I'm reading, call it 85% or about 1,200 page-flips, and I thought I'd post some shots of the level of ghosting present when you turn off 'flashing' between page-flips.

As you can see, it's noticeable, but not all that unpleasant or irritating.

Derek
It's not too bad if you are not in a low lighting situation. But if you are, the ghosting will be in the way.

It's not too bad if you are not in a low lighting situation. But if you are, the ghosting will be in the way.

Not really, Jon... I've been reading with either a single 21W cfl light in my room, or the XtraFlex Duo with just one light on and it's been quite readable. Of course, I have to point out that in low-light situations I *MUST* switch to my reading prescription glasses. [Sigh] The joys of getting older! :(

And for those who are interested, I've left the Cybook on around the clock for the past 24 hours and 21 minutes, of which time over 16 hours has been spent reading (Remember, I was reading fast in order to get as many page-flips as possible to get the full ghosting effect.). I did this after giving the Cybook a charge to 100%. As of 10:26PM this evening, I'm down to 80% charge.

Derek

i find utterly incredible that the forthcoming version does not support bookmarks.

I use bookmarks/annotations feature on mobipocket on my axim x51v. Examples: recipe books (bookmark the recipes I want to save, bookmark certain passages for an essay I want to write. Also, in classrooms and book clubs, you need to mark several passages.

seriously i don't have a problem with delaying the implementation of certain features (to perfect core features). But this seems like an odd feature to delay until later.

i find utterly incredible that the forthcoming version does not support bookmarks.

I use bookmarks/annotations feature on mobipocket on my axim x51v. Examples: recipe books (bookmark the recipes I want to save, bookmark certain passages for an essay I want to write. Also, in classrooms and book clubs, you need to mark several passages.

seriously i don't have a problem with delaying the implementation of certain features (to perfect core features). But this seems like an odd feature to delay until later.

Whether or not you can have bookmarks in a Mobipocket book is beyond the control of Bookeen. They did not write the Mobipocket Reader software. Mobipocket did.

You mean it is the Mobipocket Reader that is used for html files or for pdf files?

Nate, you don't know what you're talking about.

Mobipocket software (at least the version I have) includes "Add Bookmark" and "Annotations" on the main reader menu.

I don't expect cybook to implement EVERY feature in Mobipocket, but this one seems to be a core function. I originally thought Derek was kidding, but after looking at the video and reading the blog comments, it seems that bookmarks aren't in the firmware Derek had. But the bookeen people say it will be in the final release.

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Nate, you don't know what you're talking about.

Mobipocket software (at least the version I have) includes "Add Bookmark" and "Annotations" on the main reader menu.

I don't expect cybook to implement EVERY feature in Mobipocket, but this one seems to be a core function. I originally thought Derek was kidding, but after looking at the video and reading the blog comments, it seems that bookmarks aren't in the firmware Derek had. But the bookeen people say it will be in the final release.

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But does it implement it in the Java version that runs on the Iliad and I assume the Cybook? I thought I heard that it does not.

If I am wrong, my apologies. I misremembered some information.

But does it implement it in the Java version that runs on the Iliad and I assume the Cybook? I thought I heard that it does not.

If I am wrong, my apologies. I misremembered some information.

You are correct. No bookmarks on the iLiad Mobi reader.

But does it implement it in the Java version that runs on the Iliad and I assume the Cybook? I thought I heard that it does not.

If I am wrong, my apologies. I misremembered some information.

Bookeen does not run Mobipocket's software on the Cybook. It's their own reader from the ground up.

Bookeen wrote the Mobipocket reader? So how did they get the info on the DRM and format info?

Bookeen does not rut Mobipocket's software on the Cybook. It's their own reader from the ground up.

Do you have any specs on this reader?
Does it have pagination?
Does it show total page count?
Does it support bookmarks?
Does it support links with a back button?
How many font sizes?
How many fonts?
Image capability?
zoom?
anything else?

Bookeen wrote the Mobipocket reader? So how did they get the info on the DRM and format info?

I would imagine that Bookeen's reader software supports all these formats by using plugins.

Mp3 players support DRM WMA files without having separate software for reading them. All they need is a plugin.

Do you have any specs on this reader?
Does it have pagination?
Does it show total page count?
Does it support bookmarks?
Does it support links with a back button?
How many font sizes?
How many fonts?
Image capability?
zoom?
anything else?

If you read any of the information that Derek or I have posted all that is answered. But in brief.

1. What is pagination?
2. yes, keep in mind it changed based on Font Size
3. One bookmark only at the place you exited the book.
4. Simple HTML only at this time, no links. This will improve after the initial release.
5. Currently 9
6. Ships with 9, you can add your own.
7. Yes.
8. only in PDFs.

I would imagine that Bookeen's reader software supports all these formats by using plugins.

Mp3 players support DRM WMA files without having separate software for reading them. All they need is a plugin.

Nope, developed in-house at Bookeen. If it were developed *by* Mobipocket, it would have already supported all the PC-version features of Mobi files, like multiple bookmarks - although it can support lookup of a word if there's a Mobi dictionary file onboard.

Derek

Do you have any specs on this reader?
Does it have pagination?
Does it show total page count?
Does it support bookmarks?
Does it support links with a back button?
How many font sizes?
How many fonts?
Image capability?
zoom?
anything else?

1. Pagination *if* you've embedded a hard page-break in the file. I usually put those in (via BookDesigner) at the start of a chapter and let the Cybook re-flow as-needed whenever I change font family or font size. Works great.

2. Nope. Does *NOT* show total page count. However, it does have a progress bar along the bottom which gives a visual indication of how far you've progressed in the book.

3. One bookmark - auto-generated - which is placed where you left off reading in the book.

4. There *is* a 'Back' menu option, but at this point, all I've gotten it to do is return to the Table of Contents or to where I left off reading after going to the ToC.

5/6. *TWELVE* (12) font sizes and *seven* (7) font families on *my* engineering sample. At the largest size, I can see about 10 lines of 20 characters. At the smallest, well, I gave up counting at 45 lines but got about (and I can't be real sure because the font's characters are so small I need a serious magnifier to *DISTINGUISH* them!) 85 characters!

Derek

Bookeen is a OEM (Original Equipment Manufacture). They went to Mobipocket and bought a license to make a reader using their drm tech. They probably paid money up front and a royalty to every device they sell for the license. Mobipocket tells them how to decrypt the drm'd files and Bookeen builds software for the reader with that know how.

What I would like for Bookeen to do is do the same thing for other drm like adobe digital editions and then sell the software to then be able to read those files. This is fair since Bookeen has to pay the drm tech owner and should see a profit for their extra work to make the software for the other type of ebook. It would be neat if they sold the cybook cheaper with no drm reading software or you could choose to have several types of drm formats supported for extra cost. This would appeal to the people that have other ebook formats or just want to read the drm free formats.

It would be neat if they sold the cybook cheaper with no drm reading software or you could choose to have several types of drm formats supported for extra cost. This would appeal to the people that have other ebook formats or just want to read the drm free formats.

This would be something nice for sure.

One thing that would help capture a big market is eReader format on an eink device. A lot of people have a lot of eReader books that they would lose should they give up using eReader. But if they could take them along, then it would be OK.

One thing that would help capture a big market is eReader format on an eink device. A lot of people have a lot of eReader books that they would lose should they give up using eReader. But if they could take them along, then it would be OK.


I've mentioned it to them several *DOZEN* times in emails to their marketing and tech departments. Of course, I got absolutely *NO* feedback. This even after pointing out that Bookeen has developed a Mobi-supporting eInk device.

Shame, really... I think eReader's going to fall behind the tech curve on this one.

Derek

If you read any of the information that Derek or I have posted all that is answered. But in brief.

4. Simple HTML only at this time, no links. This will improve after the initial release.


Hi Penty,

When you say "no links", do you mean "no links to other documents" or "no links at all"? If simple hyperlinks WITHIN a document don't work, that's very bad news indeed - it means that none of the tables of contents, footnotes, etc, in the MobiPocket books we've created here are going to work :(

I
3. One bookmark only at the place you exited the book.


Will more than one bookmark per book be available later? I sometimes read a book to discuss it later in a book circle. Then it is very good to be able to bookmark places you want to discuss. And I have friends that wanted to use a facility to mark many places in cookbooks to make it eaisier to lookup things when cooking.

although it can support lookup of a word if there's a Mobi dictionary file onboard.


Is this working now or will it work in the future? How do you choose a word to lookup?

I've mentioned it to them several *DOZEN* times in emails to their marketing and tech departments. Of course, I got absolutely *NO* feedback. This even after pointing out that Bookeen has developed a Mobi-supporting eInk device.

Shame, really... I think eReader's going to fall behind the tech curve on this one.
Derek

Maybe eReader doesn't want to license their DRM to anyone.

Maybe eReader doesn't want to license their DRM to anyone.
It is their loss then. People will see the eink devices who don't have ebooks and eReader will be left out in the cold. If that's what they want, so be it.But they'd also need to change their formatting and remove the line spaces they have for the smaller devices.

It is their loss then. People will see the eink devices who don't have ebooks and eReader will be left out in the cold. If that's what they want, so be it.But they'd also need to change their formatting and remove the line spaces they have for the smaller devices.

Yes, their simple method of use a credit card number for DRM is easy and simple to use and does not limit the number of readers you can use but it is only conjecture that they have refused to license the technology. We don't even know if Bookeen has even asked them. Bookeen already supports PalmDoc format I believe so it is a simple matter to support eReader by just mapping their keywords for paragraph, etc. to html or mobi versions. DRM is the only really unique item and many books are not DRM anyway.

The formatting is under control of the reading program so I am not sure I understand the comment about line spaces. If you look at an eReader file on a PC where the screen size is large, what do you need to change? Is it just a preference item on the spacing between paragraphs or something more?

Dale

Hi Penty,

When you say "no links", do you mean "no links to other documents" or "no links at all"? If simple hyperlinks WITHIN a document don't work, that's very bad news indeed - it means that none of the tables of contents, footnotes, etc, in the MobiPocket books we've created here are going to work :(

No links to other documents. You can create links within the document without a problem.

BookDesigner's Notes/Links menu option do a fine job of creating link points. Haven't tried it in Mobipocket Creator, but it's help documentation discusses how to do it.

Derek

Is this working now or will it work in the future? How do you choose a word to lookup?

There is, in the Contextual menu when invoked within an ebook, a Lookup menu option. Once invoked, you can then use the navigation and Enter buttons to move to the word you want to look up. Fairly easy, even if somewhat limited to a full lookup as you'd find in MS Word.

Derek

Maybe eReader doesn't want to license their DRM to anyone.


Maybe eReader's run by idiots... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Derek

The formatting is under control of the reading program so I am not sure I understand the comment about line spaces. If you look at an eReader file on a PC where the screen size is large, what do you need to change? Is it just a preference item on the spacing between paragraphs or something more?

Dale
In this case, it's not a matter of turning off the line spaces. They are part of the format of the book. So when you read on your computer screen, you get a paragraphs as a block (no indent) and then a blank line and then another block paragraph and so on. The reader doesn't have any control over this. They do it because they believe that it's easier to read that way on a small palm type screen.

In this case, it's not a matter of turning off the line spaces. They are part of the format of the book. So when you read on your computer screen, you get a paragraphs as a block (no indent) and then a blank line and then another block paragraph and so on. The reader doesn't have any control over this. They do it because they believe that it's easier to read that way on a small palm type screen.

Thanks for the clarification. Yes, I happen to like that format myself even on big books. I write manuals for a living and this is the format I always use. It is not just a small screen thing. But this is a display issue not a database issue. The book is tagged with paragraph markers and the reader program can choose to display them anyway they wish. eReader is pretty simple and limited in the book formatting unlike xhtml or epub stuff. I becomes a matter of who is in control of the book formatting, the authour, publisher, or user.

Simple to use ereader programs often remove this kind of control from the user in the idea of simple to use. The whole easy to use paradigm is often flawed by thinking that removing control and options is a good thing.

Since Bookeen is writing the program and using one program to support many formats there is no reason that they would adopt the eReader paradigm. The whole reason for using one eReader program as Bookeen has chosen to do would be to provide a consistent look and feel for all books, no matter what the underlying format. (There is, of course, some limitations based on what is supported in the book database but I think you understand what I am trying to say.)

Dale

Maybe eReader's run by idiots... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Derek
Must be the same staff as Mobipocket then.

Mobipocket's prices are ridiculous. Full list price from their site. Also they refuse to allow Sony to use their DRM format on the reader because they also have LRF. Not a smart business move.

Must be the same staff as Mobipocket then.

Mobipocket's prices are ridiculous. Full list price from their site. Also they refuse to allow Sony to use their DRM format on the reader because they also have LRF. Not a smart business move.

MobiPocket licenses their books to lots of outlets and they don't want to undercut their own clients. It is a tough spot for them so always look other places for better pricing.

MobiPocket may be the reason that Bookeen cannot license another DRM system as well. (I think this is likely based on your comment on Sony) It is only someones conjecture that Palm refused to talk and now everybody seems to jump on the wagon and take it as gospel. This is a forum, many "facts" should be taken with a grain of salt.

Dale

Cybook GEN3 is available for order!!

bookeen.com seems to be unavailable.

Not that I would order on now, but the modalities do interest me.

$383.32 is what it will cost to get a Cybook Gen3 in the USA. Shipping is EXPENSIVE!

Derek, Since the ordering has begun from bookeen I think you should really hurry and get some info to us to figure out if we are to buy naeb or bookeens cybook. What I would like to know is what is the Warranty? Is it through bookeen or do you have a separate one. If the Device goes bad how is it going to get fixed in that warranty period. Do I have to ship it to France or where naeb is located? The cost is something I need to know too. What features is it going to have different now or in the future. Is naeb going to have the deluxe model? Sorry to bug you like this but a lot of us are very excited about the cybook and need something not to get the version from bookeen now.

$383.32 is what it will cost to get a Cybook Gen3 in the USA. Shipping is EXPENSIVE!

Hum, think about us in Europe: $383 --> 266 Euros.
If you pay 350 Euros like us for a Cybook, you wouldn't find this too expensive !:(

Hi

What I would like to know is what is the Warranty? Is it through bookeen or do you have a separate one.

From Bookeen's website:-

"Limited Warranty Coverage

Bookeen standard Product warranty is one (1) year after date of delivery.

If a defect arises and a valid claim is received by Bookeen within the Warranty Period, Bookeen will repair the product at no charge (except shipment costs see below), using new or refurbished replacement parts or replace the product with a comparable product that is new or which has been manufactured from new or serviceable used parts and with at least functionally equivalent to the original product....
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...The shipment of the defective units to Bookeen office is taken in charge by the customer, the shipment back of the repaired units to the customer is taken in charge by Bookeen."

So, a standard 1-year RTB warranty by the sound of it, shipping to Bookeen at the customers expense...

$383.32 is what it will cost to get a Cybook Gen3 in the USA. Shipping is EXPENSIVE!

LOL JSW - you could always order one from the UK - equivalent of $524 USD - ouch! Still, the shipping's only $21.39 - but then Britain is closer to France, physically at least ;)

I know about the Bookeen warranty. Its about the standard for the US. What I want to know is how NAEB llc. will be handling the warranty for devices sold through them. Do I ship to NAEB if defective or Bookeen. It would be quite a bit different shipping cost. Might be faster turn around for repairs or slower. Thats what I need to know about the warranties.

Great update to the homepage. I like it! It's full of new info. The shop is nicely done too. I am only dissapointed that the promised email announcement didn't arrived. Thank goodness for Mobileread.

The price of shipping changed substantially in the past hours. I will wait with my order for a few weeks so that everything is ok with the shipping arrangements. And I have to extend my Visa limit ;)

I can't wait!

I like the site as well, after ordering I decided to read everything there weas, and came accros the RSS function. That's a big + for me. Now I can just load the independent (newspaper) on the reader and not have a big headache every time I read it.

I like the site as well, after ordering I decided to read everything there weas, and came accros the RSS function. That's a big + for me. Now I can just load the independent (newspaper) on the reader and not have a big headache every time I read it.

The RSS stuff is a feature of the Windows Mobi Desktop Reader. Nothing to do with the CyBook, per se; it works with any device which supports MobiPocket.

NAEB has asked if we can serve as a drop point for North American returns, however we have yet to get a reply.

I know about the Bookeen warranty. Its about the standard for the US. What I want to know is how NAEB llc. will be handling the warranty for devices sold through them. Do I ship to NAEB if defective or Bookeen. It would be quite a bit different shipping cost. Might be faster turn around for repairs or slower. Thats what I need to know about the warranties.