View Full Version : "Kindle Editions" showing up on Amazon


anotherchance
10-03-2007, 04:41 PM
See Engadget...
http://www.engadget.com/2007/10/03/kindle-edition-books-appear-on-amazon-reader-launch-imminent/

cjschmidt
10-03-2007, 04:43 PM
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0521844193/

Look at the "Also Available in:" box. Link currently doesn't work, but it's there and it's real.

Interesting that the book is a textbook... sad to see the price is only a few dollars cheaper - especially since you can't sell it back at the end of the semester.

cjschmidt
10-03-2007, 04:46 PM
Disregard this...

RWood
10-03-2007, 04:47 PM
Great find. Thanks for sharing.

cjschmidt
10-03-2007, 04:53 PM
Check this out
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b/105-3603692-1469237?initialSearch=1&url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=kindle+edition&x=0&y=0

Results for "Kindle Edition".
Lots of titles priced at $4.79

"Auto-delivered wirelessly to Kindle" in the shipping info.

Maybe we won't have to wait until the 15th after all?

Maybe I shouldn't have bought the new Sony Reader yesterday...

NatCh
10-03-2007, 04:57 PM
Wow, nice find there, cjschmidt! The links don't seem to go anywhere yet, but I note there are 613 of them. Looks like Amazon is going for an integrated selling approach, rather than just leaning on Mobipocket's site.

NatCh
10-03-2007, 05:00 PM
Among other things, it pretty well confirms that they're sticking with the name "Kindle."

cjschmidt
10-03-2007, 05:08 PM
And that EVDO won't be optional...

CommanderROR
10-03-2007, 05:09 PM
Yes...and now what do I do...I just can't afford to buy a gadget right now, but I know I'll be going mad from envy every time somebody mentions their "Kindle" and what wonderful things it does... ;)

On the other hand...it might be a bad product and it will probably not be available outside the US anyway...and 600 titles sounds pretty meagre as well... :D
It's all on the mind...meditation thread anyone? Oh forget about that...i'll do some real meditating...see you in a while...:vulcan:

NatCh
10-03-2007, 05:15 PM
And that EVDO won't be optional...Possibly -- one of the French articles mentioned WiFi, so it may be that, rather than EVDO, which would be somewhat less burdensome than an EVDO service requirement.

And what about storage? I assume they'll give you a "book-shelf" function of some sort, but that could get cumbersome very quickly. And they don't have a good record on long term availability -- Mobi does, but Amazon ... not so much.


...and 600 titles sounds pretty meagre as well... :DPresumably they'll pull in all of Mobipocket's titles before too long -- they can't be planning to turn their noses up at 40k titles ... can they? :headscratch:

da_jane
10-03-2007, 05:35 PM
I'm just praying that the pre production units were kind of a mock up and that on October 15, I'll wake up to the news that Amazon has delivered this completely amazing, gorgeous, to die for reading device that I absolutely must have.

JSWolf
10-03-2007, 05:40 PM
I'm just praying that the pre production units were kind of a mock up and that on October 15, I'll wake up to the news that Amazon has delivered this completely amazing, gorgeous, to die for reading device that I absolutely must have.
Well, it cannot be worse then an iPhone.

CommanderROR
10-03-2007, 05:40 PM
I'm back from meditating...is the Kindle with us yet?

:D

Sorry...must meditate some more...or maybe just go to bed and sleep... ;)

Back on Topic:

I think we will soon all be a bit wiser where the Kindle is concerned. One of these days Amazon will actually announce the darn thing and then one (or several) of our members can buy one and give us all the juicy details. Also, a little bird told me that alexander, our great Forum-Admin himself will be at the Frankfurt book-fair and IF the Kindle makes an appearance there he'll surely have his hands all over it...and tell us all about it after he's had a nice cold shower and a lie-down...^^

da_jane
10-03-2007, 05:42 PM
Jon! Are you dissing my iPhone that I am completely having a love affair with, having tossed the Sony Reader to the side like a used tissue?

I should also have added a front light. A front light. Sigh. That's the stuff dreams are made of.

BKeeper
10-03-2007, 06:46 PM
Told you, what a great month.

Let's hope they don't introduce yet another DRM format.

It wouldn't make much sense. I think their use of '"Kindle Edition" comes more from marketing and not from a technical difference. They probably want to offer a unified platform which makes things easier for the consumer.

So they release a reader "Kindle" and name compatible content "Kindle Edition", even if they still are mobi books. This also would explain why they would want to unify content at amazon's site rather than link to mobipocket.com

If they want to go mainstream with the Kindle, they don't want to complicate things by introducing a reader and then just a link for the mobi format.

Regarding storage and content delivery. I think we don't have to worry about on-board memory, I expect they will offer some kind of online personal library where all your content will be available. (w/o a pc?).

I also expect a very different design. Seriously, it would be "brave" to release a reader with that design we all know and hate.

On a more positive note we can see that amazon has signed new content and that is gonna go ahead with textbooks, and targeting the academic market. s That in turn, would confirm the presence of some form of keyboard.

- - - -

Worst case scenario?

Amazon will launch a reader with that crappy design and a new and exclusive DRM format. In that case they better have the entire amazon catalog available in "Kindle Edition".... :D

anotherchance
10-03-2007, 06:49 PM
Wow, nice find there, cjschmidt! The links don't seem to go anywhere yet, but I note there are 613 of them. Looks like Amazon is going for an integrated selling approach, rather than just leaning on Mobipocket's site.

613 "search results", but the "Kindle Book/Kindle Editions" run out pretty much half way down page 2. (Only 17 items at time of writing).

After that, its matching on some other method.

nekokami
10-03-2007, 07:05 PM
Has anyone ever heard of any of these "Kindle Edition" authors? Most of the books don't seem to be available in other formats, and those that do seem to be very small press, often out of print. Just wondering....

Alisa
10-03-2007, 07:10 PM
Check this out
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b/105-3603692-1469237?initialSearch=1&url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=kindle+edition&x=0&y=0

Results for "Kindle Edition".
Lots of titles priced at $4.79

"Auto-delivered wirelessly to Kindle" in the shipping info.

Maybe we won't have to wait until the 15th after all?

Maybe I shouldn't have bought the new Sony Reader yesterday...

I noticed that $4.79 price on books where they were selling the paper version for $10. Now that seems like a way more attractive way to price ebooks.

jasonkchapman
10-03-2007, 07:11 PM
Has anyone ever heard of any of these "Kindle Edition" authors? Most of the books don't seem to be available in other formats, and those that do seem to be very small press, often out of print. Just wondering....

Those may well be the results of authors/publishers responding to the "Let us tell you how to make an e-book edition" links.

Aenea
10-03-2007, 07:24 PM
Let's hope they don't introduce yet another DRM format.

Nah, they use the trusted and secure mobipocket DRM, ehhrmmm, :oops2:

'just a link for the mobi format'

Why do I immediately think about the availability of the aenea.mobi domain? Strange... :smash:

Aenea

anotherchance
10-03-2007, 09:03 PM
I noticed that $4.79 price on books where they were selling the paper version for $10. Now that seems like a way more attractive way to price ebooks.

Discount of $5.21. Okay. Not bad.

My first Sony purchase for my new PRS-505 will most likely be Alan Alda's memoirs. $13.95 in Borders, $7.96 on Connect. Discount of $5.99. I win!! ;)

vivaldirules
10-03-2007, 09:41 PM
For days I've searched Amazon for Kindle and keep finding that bloody lamp. Hey, wait a minute. Maybe that's the new ebook reader! Maybe that thing that looks like a lamp shade is really a lightweight, large screen, backlit display!! And it's fully powered!!! Not very portable, though. Kinda big, actually. Sigh. Never mind. :)

JSWolf
10-03-2007, 09:56 PM
Jon! Are you dissing my iPhone that I am completely having a love affair with, having tossed the Sony Reader to the side like a used tissue?

I should also have added a front light. A front light. Sigh. That's the stuff dreams are made of.
I'm dissin ALL iPhones. Apple is becoming a bad idea for a company.

jasonkchapman
10-04-2007, 07:23 AM
Told you, what a great month.

Let's hope they don't introduce yet another DRM format.

It wouldn't make much sense. I think their use of '"Kindle Edition" comes more from marketing and not from a technical difference. They probably want to offer a unified platform which makes things easier for the consumer.


They have a problem with selling MobiPocket editions through Amazon that no one seems to have considered, though. MobiPocket, the company, has a dealer network through which they wholesale their distributor catalog. MobiPocket, the Web store, avoids competing with the dealer network on price. If Amazon sells MobiPocket books directly to consumers, they will be competing with their own dealer network. That leaves a few choices:

1. Sell MobiPocket books directly at Amazon-like pricing and kiss the dealers goodbye.

2. Alter the format so that they can contractually say they're not competing and make it a Kindle-only proposition.

3. Shift the MobiPocket deals with the publishers into Amazon/Kindle contracts and kill off MobiPocket, absorb MobiPocket's assets, and try to walk away with the whole shebang.

4. Sell MobiPocket format books but only deliver directly to Kindle units (thus, not competing with the dealer network)

HarryT
10-04-2007, 07:59 AM
Worst case scenario?

Amazon will launch a reader with that crappy design and a new and exclusive DRM format. In that case they better have the entire amazon catalog available in "Kindle Edition".... :D

Realistically, Amazon are the only company around with the "clout" to exert sufficient pressure on publishers to make exactly that happen. Let's hope they go with MobiPocket format (it would seem crazy to do otherwise, since they own MP). Could be a VERY exciting step forward for eBooks!

andym
10-04-2007, 08:52 AM
Um I'm sorry to be a party pooper, but all these search finds have picked up is references to 'kindle' and/or 'edition' in the blurb or wherever. There is not one reference to a 'kindle edition'.

I'd really like to be able to buy direct from Amazon rather than mobipocket but right now you can't.

CommanderROR
10-04-2007, 09:08 AM
@andym

They had "Kindle Editions'" listed yesterday but pulled them today.

They'll surely be back once the Kindle has become official news...^^
I'm not sure why the "Kindle Edition" titles were there yesterday, but I guess it was either a mistake (unlikely) or a "probe" to see whehter people notice and how they react.
The links were dead yesterday, but that's to be expected since you are supposed to get these titles delivered to your Kindle via wireless and since there is no Kindle yet...:deadhorse:

anotherchance
10-04-2007, 09:35 AM
The links were dead yesterday, but that's to be expected since you are supposed to get these titles delivered to your Kindle via wireless and since there is no Kindle yet...:deadhorse:

Something bothers me about the whole "delivered wirelessly" thing. As someone calculated in another thread, at his current rate of 1 book every 1.5 or 2 weeks, he's only got another ~875 books to read in his life and "he has to make choices". Considering the unproven lifespan of these ebook devices (5 years reasonable?), he'd only need to load about 130-170 books onto the device in that time. Is it really worth it to have wireless connection just for that, when a quick USB synch would accomplish the same thing?

I dunno, it's vaporware anyway at this point, so it's open to interpretation, but it does seem a bit of a waste of effort to me. If the Kindle is going to be a wireless device, it MUST have a wider use than just ebooks (such as Internet browsing), and last thing I would need is another wireless bill every month... (especially when I get free internet on my work Blackberry anyway).

CommanderROR
10-04-2007, 09:40 AM
I hope they'll make it WiFi and optional...I never bother with WiFi for the Iliad because I just plug it into the router for updates and transfer things by cable from my computer (I don't do it that often after all) or directly by cardreader to the SD card...

We should know more soon, but I think a lot of things could go wrong with the Kindle and we'll just have to wait and see whether they do or not... ;)

Having the OPTION of buying things directly from inside the Kindle would be cool however...since it would mean prople who don't own o use a computer could also be brought on board, but here in Germany Wifi hotspots that are few and far between and the one that are available are very expensive...and having some kind of "mobile-phone-network" thingy going on does not sound like a very good idea to me either because it's sure to cost more money...and I for one am not made of money... :D

cjschmidt
10-04-2007, 10:03 AM
My thought is that they've worked out some kind of deal with one of the big cell companies so they get a piece of each book/newspaper downloaded over their tower. I really can't see people buying a $400 reader and paying a monthly fee just for the opportunity to pay more money for a electronic version of a book that may or may not be as good as the dead-tree kind. Amazon is way too smart to try that - it just won't work.

guguy
10-04-2007, 10:57 AM
WIFI is great to daily load Newspapers, read RSS, etc...

Moreover, as someone said, it makes anyone without a computer
able to buy ebooks! Grandmothers, etc... of course you still need an
internet connexion but you can for instance use free starbuck/mcdo
wifi hotspots.

And btw, I don't think it costs more than 10-15$ by units to include a
wifi 802.11g chip. Maybe you think it's expensive because of the iRex,
but remember the most expensive part of it is the large touchscreen e-ink
display, NOT the wifi chip!

MikeF74
10-05-2007, 10:29 AM
I wonder if wireless (cellular or WIFI) will be the ONLY way to get Kindle-Edition books into the device? What better way to prevent piracy of their Kindle Edition books.

That also begs the question: will there be memory expansion via flash memory? Imagine this: The Kindle only has 64-128MB of internal storage. But the Amazon.com website allows you to store not only your Kindle Edition purchases, but whatever other documents you want on their website. Gigabytes if necessary. Then you use the Kindle to grab documents from your online collection whenever you need something that isn't stored locally. Perhaps it will automatically throw out something you haven't opened in a while, or perhaps it will prompt you to delete something before downloading the new document.

What if? Would that be a good thing? A bad thing? I think it would be an interesting solution.

If this was the only way to get documents to the Kindle, then I'd be slightly concerned about privacy. I'd want some type of public key encryption that ensures that Amazon can't read my private documents on my online account.

leandroide
10-05-2007, 05:29 PM
Hey!

Look this: if you search site:amazon.com "Auto-delivered wirelessly to Kindle" in google you obtain 61 results.

I tried some of them and they are not avalaible now, but google's cache stored them.

Look this:
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:2yZ8Z1RxvtAJ:www.amazon.com/s%3Fie%3DUTF8%26keywords%3DGroup%2520Psychotherapy %2520%2520Manuals%26index%3Dbooks%26page%3D1+site: amazon.com+%22Auto-delivered+wirelessly+to+Kindle%22&hl=es&ct=clnk&cd=59&client=safari

Book number five:
Auto-delivered wirelessly to Kindle via Amazon Whispernet

Amazon whispernet?

L.

Alexander Turcic
10-12-2007, 04:30 PM
I just browsed the Mobipocket forums and discovered an entry that was made on March 30th this year where someone already mentioned "Kindle Edition":

http://www.mobipocket.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=24065

I just saw that Amazon is slowly uploading our ebooks, which is fantastic!
But I have a couple of questions. First, I see them listed as the "Kindle Edition". Not sure what that is.
Also, the books are all being listed as being 'by Champagne Books'. Now, the company didn't write these books, the authors did, we merely published them.
Is this a glitch that is going to be corrected, or will I have to log in somewhere and request a correction?

Thanks,

Ellen
Publisher/Managing Editor
Champagne Books

jimplasticguy
10-15-2007, 07:41 PM
I have been lurking here for some time and you have a good community. Like many, I have been scouring the net for clues to the Amazon launch which I am very excited (and now let down) about. I have been watching the "kindle editions" grow in number as was pointed out earlier. Did anyone else notice, for the past few days, in conjunction with the vaporous announcement, that the number of "kindle edition" hits on the Amazon site via Google is now shrinking daily, and down to not much more than 1000? I almost hate to attach any meaning to this.

As a frequent business traveler, I really like the idea of the wireless newspaper delivery and ability to carry my sci-fi on one thin device. This whole failure to launch is a real downer. As a marketing guy, I think they really missed the momentum here. I can only speculate that something wasn't ready.

Jim

Nate the great
10-15-2007, 09:10 PM
I have been lurking here for some time and you have a good community. Like many, I have been scouring the net for clues to the Amazon launch which I am very excited (and now let down) about. I have been watching the "kindle editions" grow in number as was pointed out earlier. Did anyone else notice, for the past few days, in conjunction with the vaporous announcement, that the number of "kindle edition" hits on the Amazon site via Google is now shrinking daily, and down to not much more than 1000? I almost hate to attach any meaning to this.

As a frequent business traveler, I really like the idea of the wireless newspaper delivery and ability to carry my sci-fi on one thin device. This whole failure to launch is a real downer. As a marketing guy, I think they really missed the momentum here. I can only speculate that something wasn't ready.

Jim

Yes, I've been charting the drop. It can only mean two things:

one: They have put up all the Kindle edition titles they were planning on.

two: They are more careful about the titles not appearing on the website.

jasonkchapman
10-15-2007, 09:14 PM
two: They are more careful about the title snot appearing on the website.

Oh, yuck. I wouldn't want any title snot on my Web site, either!