View Full Version : Secure Mobipocket Decoder is no more...


Aenea
09-26-2007, 03:44 AM
Hi there,

Well, as some of you already know I had to take down my web page with the decoder on it because I received a take-down letter from a Dutch law-firm which was hired by Mobipocket France.

As a result I will probably face huge lawyer bills in the near future and since I'm un-employed at the moment that will be really troublesome.

I noticed that, according to my logfiles, 1000's of people downloaded it, which is nice, so people can start giving it to each other. What I really don't understand is the fact that I spent a better part of a week on it (no work -> lots of time) and I asked for donations and nobody, really nobody bothered to do just that. No, I don't want large sums, but if everyone just had sent me a buck or two it would have been nice...

Aenea

igorsk
09-26-2007, 06:56 AM
Wow, this really sucks. My Dutch is a bit rusty, what did they actually specify as the offence? I don't think that you had any copyrighted code over there and AFAIK breaking DRM is not illegal in EU yet. I suggest you to contact EFF (http://www.eff.org/), they should be able to help you.

nekokami
09-26-2007, 09:28 AM
I missed the request for donations. How do you want to receive them?

BKeeper
09-26-2007, 11:25 AM
I missed it too. How can I donate?

Aenea
09-26-2007, 12:20 PM
Wow, this really sucks. My Dutch is a bit rusty, what did they actually specify as the offence? I don't think that you had any copyrighted code over there and AFAIK breaking DRM is not illegal in EU yet. I suggest you to contact EFF (http://www.eff.org/), they should be able to help you.

Well, apparantly there's a new law in the Netherlands since a year which kinda specifies that you are not allowed to provide any tool to circumvent a DRM. But the text is pretty vague and has never been tested in court, but I might be the damn test case....

Aenea

Aenea
09-26-2007, 12:20 PM
I missed the request for donations. How do you want to receive them?

People never read README's huh? :)

Well, the only way I know is thru PayPal at alysa@xs4all.nl

Aenea

nekokami
09-26-2007, 12:23 PM
I haven't even installed your code, I just wanted to know how to help.

Do you actually have a summons to appear in court?

Aenea
09-26-2007, 12:26 PM
I haven't even installed your code, I just wanted to know how to help.

Do you actually have a summons to appear in court?

Nope, not yet, they are pretty quiet at the moment, I really hope it won't get that far.
Thanks for your support though!

Aenea

BKeeper
09-26-2007, 12:39 PM
I didn't use your code either.
Regarding the likelihood of further legal action, I don't think they will proceed or bother you anymore. Just let them know you have complied.
It is terribly expensive to litigate abroad. (hell, it's expensive to litigate everywhere).

Thanks for your work and dedication Aenea.

NatCh
09-26-2007, 12:41 PM
... I really hope it won't get that far.The fact that you complied with the demand to remove the tool ought to help, hopefully they want a test case where the defendant tells them to stick it. They usually want iron-clad, can't be lost cases for that sort of thing. Here's hoping.

splat
09-26-2007, 03:12 PM
Very sorry to hear this, it came in very handy (v3 that I tried). *cough*Would anyone be able to PM me a copy of the most recent version*cough*

JSWolf
09-26-2007, 04:59 PM
Version 0.4 has no more functionality then 0.3. 0.4 was just written so it used no code from iRex and you had to already have the jar files from the Java MobiPocket reader for it to work.

Harpgliss
09-26-2007, 09:40 PM
Hi,

This situation is unfortunate.

I myself just use Isilo on my pad for reading books and such so had no need for this tool you assembled.

Publishers need to realize they would sell more books if they forgo the DRM that they insist discourage piracy.

In reality, it just discourages the adoption of a format that has had difficulty being accepted already.

David

catter
09-28-2007, 11:14 AM
Hi there,

I'm also very interested to get rid of the DRM in my (legally obtained) Mobipocket ebooks.

Has anybody still a copy of mb-04.zip?

I could upload it to a anonymous filehoster like rapidshare to help it spread.

I was not able to find it in file sharing networks either.

Thanks so far...

HarryT
09-28-2007, 11:24 AM
Please note that use of such software is a criminal offence in some countries, including the United States. Please ensure that it is legal for you to use such a tool before doing so.

JSWolf
09-28-2007, 02:27 PM
Please note that use of such software is a criminal offence in some countries, including the United States. Please ensure that it is legal for you to use such a tool before doing so.
Actually, in the US, use is not illegal. Writing and and distributing it in the US is illegal.

JSWolf
09-28-2007, 02:30 PM
Hi there,

I'm also very interested to get rid of the DRM in my (legally obtained) Mobipocket ebooks.

Has anybody still a copy of mb-04.zip?

I could upload it to a anonymous filehoster like rapidshare to help it spread.

I was not able to find it in file sharing networks either.

Thanks so far...
MP 0.4 relies on code from MobiPocket/iRex in order to run. You have to have their Java based MobiPocket reader in order to use it. So unless you have the JAR files needed to go along with 0.4, just having 0.4 won't allow you to break the DRM from MobiPocket books. That being said, since you don't have an iLiad, MP .04 will not work for you at all.

catter
09-29-2007, 06:44 AM
Thanks for you answers.

MP 0.4 relies on code from MobiPocket/iRex in order to run. You have to have their Java based MobiPocket reader in order to use it. So unless you have the JAR files needed to go along with 0.4, just having 0.4 won't allow you to break the DRM from MobiPocket books. That being said, since you don't have an iLiad, MP .04 will not work for you at all.

Ok, I'm aware of that problem. Would anybody still be so kind and could provide me with a copy? Or would anyone upload it to a anonymous filehoster?

I'm very interested to have a look at it. The downtime of mobipocket.com and especially their information policy made me worry about the future of my ebooks.

Again, many thanks for your help...

HarryT
09-29-2007, 08:25 AM
Actually, in the US, use is not illegal. Writing and and distributing it in the US is illegal.


Wikipedia's article on the DMCA disagrees with you, Jon:

The Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) is a United States copyright law which implements two 1996 WIPO treaties. It criminalizes production and dissemination of technology, devices, or services that are used to circumvent measures that control access to copyrighted works (commonly known as DRM) and criminalizes the act of circumventing an access control, even when there is no infringement of copyright itself.

The text which I've emphased appears to say that removal of DRM is illegal, even when no infringement of copyright is involved.

JSWolf
09-29-2007, 10:14 AM
Wikipedia's article on the DMCA disagrees with you, Jon:



The text which I've emphasized appears to say that removal of DRM is illegal, even when no infringement of copyright is involved.

"The DMCA's anti-circumvention provisions don't prohibit the mere possession or use of a section 1201(b)(1) circumvention technology (copy controls), so it's legal to use AEBPR in a non-infringing way. Paradoxically, although it is legal for people to bypass these controls and exercise fair use rights, the provision of them is illegal under Section 1201."
See the EFF page on this topic. (http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/US_v_Elcomsoft/us_v_elcomsoft_faq.html#IllegalInUSA)
I did take a look at the link and this is correct.

slayda
09-29-2007, 07:06 PM
Wikipedia's article on the DMCA disagrees with you,

I wouldn't want to bet my life on the complete validity of something found in Wikipedia.:disappoin

IceHand
09-30-2007, 08:39 AM
As I mentioned in the "Secure Mobipocket Decoder v0.3"-thread, in the EU there's this EUCD (European Copyright Directive (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Copyright_Directive)), which is much like the DMCA. But it's really bad they actually made use of it :(

HarryT
09-30-2007, 10:08 AM
I wouldn't want to bet my life on the complete validity of something found in Wikipedia.:disappoin

True. When it is simply quoting material from a law, though, it's reasonable to trust it.

nbl530
04-09-2008, 04:07 PM
Plzzz need help (urgent)!!!
I have an ebook that is DRMed and I did understand nothing of what you said cauz I m a beginner:(
The file is Vidalpda...
My mobipocket device is Symbian ...
Plz need your help for removing the DRM...
Thanks

pilotbob
04-09-2008, 05:07 PM
Actually, in the US, use is not illegal. Writing and and distributing it in the US is illegal.

I'm sorry, have you read section 1201 of the US Copyright act as ammended by the DMCA of 1998?

http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap12.html

Unless based on paragrah (D) the librarian of congress has deemed that ebooks are exempt from 1201(A). ???

BOb

(Though technically not "illegal" but a copyright infringment which is a civil offense which becomes criminal if you are doing it for profit.)

brecklundin
04-12-2008, 05:04 AM
I'm sorry, have you read section 1201 of the US Copyright act as ammended by the DMCA of 1998?

http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap12.html

Unless based on paragrah (D) the librarian of congress has deemed that ebooks are exempt from 1201(A). ???

BOb

(Though technically not "illegal" but a copyright infringment which is a civil offense which becomes criminal if you are doing it for profit.)

I wonder if that is something the folks on the other side of the pond can use against the OP. If there was a donation's button on the page for the download that could potentially be construed as selling. It's also why many try and circumvent that portion of the law by adding a disclaimer on a page that donations are for maintaining the site and it's related expenses. Not sure how well that might work, but those who do it better keep copious records of donations and expenses. Mostly because PP will roll over like a $2 hooker on 25 night for law enforcement and hand over all records pretty much w/o a warrant or court order. A simple fax on departmental letterhead is sufficent for them. It used to be in their TOS but not sure if it ever changed.

JSWolf
04-12-2008, 10:53 AM
Search for MobiDeDRM and you'll find what you are looking for. Also, you'll want to get version .01 and version .02 an neither is perfect and where one version works, the other may not.