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larka
06-02-2011, 05:00 PM
We know everything is closing down, so I sent a general thank you/inquery on where to get updates, etc. today to all emails I could find when website worked.
Although I never sent to Doug Atkinson directly, I guess one of addresses is forwarding to him, so I got Out of ofiice:

"As of May 31, 2011 Doug Atkinson is no longer an employee of Entourage Systems and this mailbox is no longer monitored and has no forwarding address."
(from datkinson@entouragesys.com Mr. Doug Atkinson
Vice President of Marketing and Business Development)

Then I faked Mostafa address in the same fashion snd it was Delivery Failure...

The other emails went through I wonder if anybody will respond...

here is a link on corporate info 2008-2011(?) http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=105317267
My guess we could probably find a date of company dissolution in VA gov records soon...

Nate the great
06-02-2011, 05:19 PM
Yesterday was Doug's last day, yes.

larka
06-02-2011, 06:16 PM
Nate, do you know if anybody left at Entourage?

Nate the great
06-02-2011, 07:12 PM
Nate, do you know if anybody left at Entourage?

I do have an email address, but the guy is awfully busy so i don't want to bother him.

ivanjt
06-02-2011, 07:33 PM
I hope one of the things he's busy with is zipping up the SDK and all the bugfixes to quietly let it escape out the door.

larka
06-02-2011, 07:45 PM
BTW, update.zip and golden.update.zip has dissappeared from the rcs server last night...:(?

tech72
07-06-2011, 04:54 PM
Yesterday was Doug's last day, yes.
Nate it would be great if the community could get a hold of the sdk or ermine gold or even the source for ermine when they released the source for coyote it was like a bare minimum submission to satisfy GPL requirements. I would love to see a way to load e readers and have them display on the E-ink side. It just occurred to me the E-ink side runs Linux that is why there needed the Source code released.... anyhow it would be great to have the tools released to be able to continue development for such a promising platform.

emusan
07-06-2011, 05:01 PM
AFAIK there has been no source release of anything related to the e-ink... It's all custom(I assume) so they have no need to follow any license restrictions. The e-ink likely doesn't run its own software, but is just seen as a peripheral by Android.

ken_jennings
07-07-2011, 11:29 AM
It just occurred to me the E-ink side runs Linux that is why there needed the Source code released....

The edge is an Android device, so the whole thing is Linux. It is just one computer with two screens. Since Android doesn't natively support such a configuration entourage wrote some code for dealing with the eInk display, and their applications are linked to it to be able to use the eInk display. Information about and access to those custom bailywigs is what we mean by SDK for the edge. Just about everything else needed for developing software for the edge is in the ordinary Android SDK.

vicinc
07-07-2011, 12:56 PM
my understanding is robot managed to get a complete working android on Eink. Eink is just a display. what makes the think difficult is that the 2 screens have different resolution. also i understand that android has troubles on handling 2 screens in the same time. Ideal will be to manage some kind of screen dump from lcd to eink. like you are in the browser, use a button and get the info trasfferred to eink, or from email? some kind of syncronisation. but without sdk and eink driver infos is impossible. I am surprised of how much nookdevs achieved on the first B and N dual screen device.

emusan
07-07-2011, 12:59 PM
uhhh.. you can send an image from the browser to the eink...

muranternet
07-07-2011, 02:07 PM
I haven't looked in a while, but I recall the Nook Simple Touch running Angry Birds on e-ink (looked terrible, but it meant you could treat it as a fairly open Android eInk device). I would have been all over that if it had a USB host port.

vicinc
07-07-2011, 03:20 PM
emusan, the idea is to be able to send anything you have on lcd to eink. I would love this.

emusan
07-07-2011, 03:22 PM
emusan, the idea is to be able to send anything you have on lcd to eink. I would love this.

I know, I just wasn't sure if you knew you could already do that with a few of the apps.

vicinc
07-07-2011, 08:16 PM
NO I CAN NOT. I only have LCD working on my PE, at least 'till next week when I can clone my new device.

vicinc
07-07-2011, 08:17 PM
basically the stock browser prints to epub and display this!. this is how is working now.

emusan
07-07-2011, 09:49 PM
NO I CAN NOT. I only have LCD working on my PE, at least 'till next week when I can clone my new device.

Oh yeah, sorry I forgot, I'll try taking a look through the update.sh and disable those checks for you, I meant to do it weeks ago but I went on vacation without my laptop and forgot lol so sorry. EDIT: did you actually end up getting an update.zip to work? I might have missed it...

Gunnerp245
07-08-2011, 12:07 PM
Robot's thread (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136509&highlight=robot).

This youtube video mentions robot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFGQS88V7fU)!

Index of related videos (http://www.youtube.com/user/talkien77#p/u).

vicinc
07-08-2011, 12:48 PM
No, the adb was working. Justin case help me with a temporary root over adb.
copy a good copy of build.prop from ermine. and the damn think starting booting. LCD only 'tough. I believe was android commander borking it. Other people complained about system corruption using android commander or droid explorer. Tried copping file systems and drivers and still no luck on eink side. copied logcat in the other forum but nobody came with an idea.
I will really appreciate your help. I was so desperate I ordered another PE via woot, via a friend, coming to UK next week I hope. If I get this working my daughter can have it and the other one keep it for testing.
Sorry, but the android is all new to me... Despite being a kind of a tekkie, but more specialised.
Oh yeah, sorry I forgot, I'll try taking a look through the update.sh and disable those checks for you, I meant to do it weeks ago but I went on vacation without my laptop and forgot lol so sorry. EDIT: did you actually end up getting an update.zip to work? I might have missed it...

Filark
07-08-2011, 11:44 PM
Robot's thread (http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136509&highlight=robot).

This youtube video mentions robot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFGQS88V7fU)!

Index of related videos (http://www.youtube.com/user/talkien77#p/u).

Wow! Android on the e-ink side?? I would have thought that was impossible! :p

Thanks for posting the links, Gunner! :)

muranternet
07-09-2011, 02:02 AM
Wow! Android on the e-ink side?? I would have thought that was impossible! :p

Thanks for posting the links, Gunner! :)

Absolutely. I sent him a message about it; don't know if he has the build available, but that's exactly what I really wanted. If he's around and it doesn't brick my PE I'll be glad to experiment.

ptsenter
07-09-2011, 11:07 AM
but that's exactly what I really wanted.May I ask why?

vicinc
07-09-2011, 12:08 PM
I want screen integration. if robot figured out how to control both screens will be phantastic to be able to transfer any lcd static image to eink at the touch of a button.

muranternet
07-09-2011, 04:38 PM
May I ask why?

Running Android on eInk output yields battery life and a different word processing experience, like typing directly into an ebook. It's a sort of poor man's PixelQI.

krewskater
07-09-2011, 05:01 PM
Running Android on eInk output yields battery life and a different word processing experience, like typing directly into an ebook. It's a sort of poor man's PixelQI.

It's funny you say that because just a week before these showed up on Woot I really wanted a PQi Adam but with the price/reliability issues I figured I'd wait, then this popped up for $120 and it seemed too good to be true. Has anyone tried contacting robot about releasing the build? I'm sure we could pick up where he left off.

muranternet
07-09-2011, 05:22 PM
It's funny you say that because just a week before these showed up on Woot I really wanted a PQi Adam but with the price/reliability issues I figured I'd wait, then this popped up for $120 and it seemed too good to be true. Has anyone tried contacting robot about releasing the build? I'm sure we could pick up where he left off.

I sent him a PM. Maybe if 100 people do it he'll get interested again. :P

krewskater
07-09-2011, 07:11 PM
I'd hate to flood his inbox but I'm inclined to do the same, even if he's too busy to resume work on it it would still be great if he could upload it for the rest of us to use/tweak/continue developing.

emusan
07-09-2011, 07:53 PM
I think most of the dev's from the early days including robot abandoned their work on it due to lack of support from entourage and the community. I doubt you will get much of a response, but you can try!

kronarq
07-14-2011, 09:06 AM
It would be awesome if we could get an ermine source drop before everyone is gone. Even if some bits must be removed for copyrights owned by others. But the least Entourage can do for their customers is GPL their code before they close up shop.

vicinc
07-14-2011, 10:02 AM
do you think anybody care now when company is defunct. they did not care when they were alive about their customers.

kronarq
07-15-2011, 05:30 AM
When the company was alive they could have been resistant to releasing source because they saw it as protecting their assets. Many companies don't understand the benefits of open source and look at it as giving up their IP and giving a leg up to competitors. Now those assets aren't worth a darn with them closing up shop. I don't see anyone purchasing the rights to buggy software for a failed device from a failed company. Might I was well the source code and make an impact on the community instead of fading into obscurity.

vicinc
07-15-2011, 06:21 AM
I do not think we are going to see this. that may not be a source code at all but patchy things taken from differents other roms.

sarah11918
07-15-2011, 07:42 AM
Many companies don't understand the benefits of open source and look at it as giving up their IP and giving a leg up to competitors.

It's not just that... Many big, you-know-who-they-are, companies refuse to allow their software developers to install any open-source tools for development, tracking changes etc. The reason is that if something goes wrong, they need someone to blame. This is why huge companies have ridiculous service contracts to provide development tools and why bigger companies pay for them: they come with support contracts and an ability to pass the buck if their dev tools result in glitches. Even though many comparable (or better) dev tools exist entirely for free in the world of open space, I've known people fight for years in a big company to be allowed to install them on company machines.

I'm not suggesting whether this was or wasn't part of Entourage's thinking, just that there's more than one reason why open source isn't embraced by private companies.