Three months ago we removed all forum restrictions since some users here were offended by it and threatened to leave us.

Ironically, since the removal, user interaction/contribution has dropped dramatically.

Maybe I was wrong that the PDA scene needed our "niche" forum to discuss anything related to e-books and mobile websites.

I could invest more time and efforts in turcic.com. I was planning to integrate a mobile website portal to the forum, among other things. But given the experiences from the past months (I know we had holidays, but this goes back to since October last year), I feel that this time is better spent elsewhere.

I haven't come to a conclusion yet. Though I am reluctant to saying so, it might be the best (for my own good) to close this site and start something totally new, not related to PDA anymore. It is the least thing I want, but the current situation is unacceptable. I have been always open to criticism and new ideas - unfortunately neither came from you.

Sorry if my post sounds a little bit harsh, but I am kinda frustrated here.

I am sorry to hear you speak this way. Of course, I cannot enter your mind and know what you expect. I do know, however, that while I contribute to this site, I do so on an irregular basis, as I do with all group sites: a lot of what is discussed here is not directly related to me and I cannot give responses. OTOH, what is of interest I have found nowhere else and, in any case, that you provide ready-made iSilo hits makes you unique for me.

The computer world is one where things are happening all the time and changes and updates proliferate. If you must move on, please know that I for one will miss you. radleyp

Three months ago we removed all forum restrictions since some users here were offended by it and threatened to leave us.

Ironically, since the removal, user interaction/contribution has dropped dramatically.

Maybe I was wrong that the PDA scene needed our "niche" forum to discuss anything related to e-books and mobile websites.

I could invest more time and efforts in turcic.com. I was planning to integrate a mobile website portal to the forum, among other things. But given the experiences from the past months (I know we had holidays, but this goes back to since October last year), I feel that this time is better spent elsewhere.

I haven't come to a conclusion yet. Though I am reluctant to saying so, it might be the best (for my own good) to close this site and start something totally new, not related to PDA anymore. It is the least thing I want, but the current situation is unacceptable. I have been always open to criticism and new ideas - unfortunately neither came from you.

Alexander,

Is the cost a reason to leave or is it the users who are making you feel as if it's not worth it? I find this site very interesting and it is not the only site I visit to get my wealth of information each day. I visit these sites daily.

turcic.com
behindbox.com
palminfocenter.com
newyorktimes.com
freewarepalm.com
palmgear.com

I try to make time for all of them, I feel as if I contribute to these sites as much as I can. You cannot expect people to be as dedicated to this site as you. I do really like this site and If I didn't I wouldn't visit it as often as I do.

I am sorry to hear you speak this way. Of course, I cannot enter your mind and know what you expect.
Heh I am glad noone can enter my mind ;) Well, I am not sure what to expect either, but I found the lack of user activitiy not what I expected after removing the restrictions. Maybe I am expecting too much, I admit, this is one of my weaknesses...

I do know, however, that while I contribute to this site, I do so on an irregular basis, as I do with all group sites: a lot of what is discussed here is not directly related to me and I cannot give responses. OTOH, what is of interest I have found nowhere else and, in any case, that you provide ready-made iSilo hits makes you unique for me.
Thanks :) Well, my concern was not directed to people who do contribute, including you, but to those 95% who don't.

The computer world is one where things are happening all the time and changes and updates proliferate. If you must move on, please know that I for one will miss you.
As I mentioned before, I am not really happy with the idea of closing this site. But I think I need to change a few things. Since forum restriction is *not* the way as history proved, I am thinking of adding more diverse content instead. This could mean a more drastic move from "mobile PDA geekdom" to a more generic "computer geekdom" site. I have a lot of computer-related hobbies (software, web, programming, video editing, security, ...), and PDA only covers a small bit of it.

Alexander,

Is the cost a reason to leave or is it the users who are making you feel as if it's not worth it? I find this site very interesting and it is not the only site I visit to get my wealth of information each day. I visit these sites daily.

turcic.com
behindbox.com
palminfocenter.com
newyorktimes.com
freewarepalm.com
palmgear.com

Of course it makes me very happy to see myself among sites like nytimes :)

I try to make time for all of them, I feel as if I contribute to these sites as much as I can. You cannot expect people to be as dedicated to this site as you. I do really like this site and If I didn't I wouldn't visit it as often as I do.
You see that persons who actually care and answer this thread are again those who generally contribute. If I had only 10% of my users just as dedicated as you, I'd be more than satisfied :)

As I already replied to radleyp, I think I will move turcic.com to a more general computer-related area (with the risk of trying to cover too much again). I will give it some clear thoughts first.

Ive only just discovered this site and become a member so Id be sorry to see it go.

Ive recently purchased handstory for my palm and as such found this site invaluable in trying to workout how to get the best from it, as the online manual for handstory is pretty useless.

this site is very unique and there is no alternative to what it offers..

I for one would be sad to see it go

But I think we should be more positive and try to be more active and maybe make suggestions and offer ideas and keep this community going and growing

If I knew more about PDA stuff, I really would post more. I do consider this a valuable site. But most of the time I have questions about how to get something to work on my Prism. This has been a very helpful place to come for answers. I have no idea how much it costs to run one of these. I would understand if the time and $$$ would prohibit continuing, considering the lack of response. I do appreciate your efforts though. Good luck, whatever you do.

If I knew more about PDA stuff, I really would post more. I do consider this a valuable site. But most of the time I have questions about how to get something to work on my Prism. This has been a very helpful place to come for answers. I have no idea how much it costs to run one of these. I would understand if the time and $$$ would prohibit continuing, considering the lack of response. I do appreciate your efforts though. Good luck, whatever you do.

What exactly are you trying to get to work on your prism? They don't call me visorprismman for nothing.

What exactly are you trying to get to work on your prism? They don't call me visorprismman for nothing.

I tried to install an application and got the fatal error/alert. If I had come here I would have solved the problem sooner. Thanks to frequent backups and some tech support I recovered my data. So the Prism is working fine now. I may need help when I get my new T|E. It will be my first time changing to a new device. When I get it I will look for you here. Thanks.

My guess is that there are still relatively few people who are working on finding ways to write content for handhelds. My focus is writing medical clinical practice guidelines for dissemination within a group of physicians and/or nurses. Currently I think that HTML/iSilo is a good way to go. I'm still on the learning curve with that concept, and will be giving a talk on this subject in Toronto in the spring. All roads lead to this website when I go looking for deeper understanding of the subject. Does that provide some motivation?

It definitely does! I am not going to remove turcic.com, but I will try to move the focus to something more like a general computer news portal. In other words, nothing old will be removed, only new things will be added. I believe that content is the most important aspect of a web site, so let's try to increase user activity by creating new content.

I tried to install an application and got the fatal error/alert. If I had come here I would have solved the problem sooner. Thanks to frequent backups and some tech support I recovered my data. So the Prism is working fine now. I may need help when I get my new T|E. It will be my first time changing to a new device. When I get it I will look for you here. Thanks.
My Zire 71 arrived in the mail too so you may look for me as zire71man or palmzire71man if I'm unable to get the first one. Good luck with your TT.

It definitely does! I am not going to remove turcic.com, but I will try to move the focus to something more like a general computer news portal. In other words, nothing old will be removed, only new things will be added. I believe that content is the most important aspect of a web site, so let's try to increase user activity by creating new content.

Hey Alexander,

Not removing turcic.com is the way to go thansk for your hard work. I am receiving a new zire 71 today and probably will change my name to either zire71man or palmzire71man so that will be my newuser name. Is there a way to change the amount of posts from one username to the other? I don't want to be considered a new user. You can disable my visorprismman account if you like.
I think that a user reviews should be implemented into the site because I do not trust what beta testers or people who get free programs to evaluate have to say about a certain program. It's the real users that I want unbiased people. I can do short reviews or first impressions now that I'm switching to a more "standard" device.

There is only so much time during the day. I checked out this sight in a previous incarnation. I like to come here. It is interesting. I like Isilo better than Avantgo. It is a little more difficult to figure out. That is why I come here. I will certainly try to check it out more often and contribute. Perhaps it should be more general PDA information and advice.

Maybe broaden the content a bit, merge a few of the sections, and make the mobile links section just a part of the website, not the main focus.

Is there a way to change the amount of posts from one username to the other? I don't want to be considered a new user. You can disable my visorprismman account if you like.
No problem, I will change the name of your existing user so post count, private messages, etc. will stay the same. Tell me when you've decided for the new username.

I think that a user reviews should be implemented into the site because I do not trust what beta testers or people who get free programs to evaluate have to say about a certain program. It's the real users that I want unbiased people. I can do short reviews or first impressions now that I'm switching to a more "standard" device.
User Reviews would be great.

Maybe broaden the content a bit, merge a few of the sections, and make the mobile links section just a part of the website, not the main focus.
This weekend I will think about how I can best change the main focus without making the forum too "universal" and yet broading the content.

No problem, I will change the name of your existing user so post count, private messages, etc. will stay the same. Tell me when you've decided for the new username.


User Reviews would be great.
Hey,

Thanks very much Alexander, here is my new username.

Hey,

Thanks very much Alexander, here is my new username.np, done :)

np, done :)

Hey Alexander,

Thanks so much!!

It's like I said last summer...you should run the site because you want to, not because of who comes to visit.

If it were me I'd do two things. One I suggested before but it bares repeating.

First I'd make the WCC a paid download from PalmGear and HanDango. I'd charge something like $4.95 with a year of updates included. Point people back here to discuss it.

Second, I think maybe a name change would be needed. Turcic.com just doesn't scream what the site is about. You visit ClieSource and you know what it is, or PocketLoft and you get an idea. A name that's more descriptive of what is being discussed would be a good thing.

Second, I think maybe a name change would be needed. Turcic.com just doesn't scream what the site is about. You visit ClieSource and you know what it is, or PocketLoft and you get an idea. A name that's more descriptive of what is being discussed would be a good thing.
How do you like Mobileread.com (http://www.mobileread.com)?

Seems a little vanilla to me...perhaps mobilereading would be better...but to make it go you need to change the whole name of the place, not just have a forward to turcic.

I'll PM you with a suggestion.

...but to make it go you need to change the whole name of the place, not just have a forward to turcic.
It is actually an alias which I would have used for the upcoming site-update, so http://www.mobileread.com/forums/index.php etc works as well.

I'll PM you with a suggestion.
I like your suggestion. It also integrates well with what I've planned to change.

It definitely does! I am not going to remove turcic.com, but I will try to move the focus to something more like a general computer news portal. In other words, nothing old will be removed, only new things will be added. I believe that content is the most important aspect of a web site, so let's try to increase user activity by creating new content.

Hi Alexander!

I'm glad you're not going to remove the current forums. I think turcic provides a service that is unique, and would be sorely missed if it were taken down.

I heartily agree with your thoughts about increasing focus for my forums, as anything that brings people to the site and gets them using it is a Good Thing (tm) :p

Keep up the good work!

Craig.

The service you have provided is very much apreciated by me. I would not be able to use my device to download information without the obivious effort you have made to make it possible. I personally am not as internet savy as many people, I do like to stay informed, and you have made this possible for me. I am not sure what contribution I would be able to add. I am just a truck driver with a high school education. I know you will be successful in what ever you chose to do because you have done a great job here. If in the future you would chose to charge for your service I would be willing to subscribe.
Thanks for your efforts!
Best Regards;
Tim Neal <jeetneal@aol.com>

Alex,

I haven't had time to access the site as much as I used to, but I've certainly found it interesting and useful. Ithink one reason you've had a big drop-off in postings is that the main problems have already been discussed. The coverage has been so comprehensive that there's not much more to say, which is really a tribute to your website. The only thing we're still missing is some instruction in how to write script clips in HandStory.

I think broadening the subject matter would be a good idea, but please keep the forums on iSilo, HandStory etc And, of course, the invaluable collections.

Whatever you decide, I wish you much success.

Basil

Hey, man. You had done a great job compiling all those channels. I prefer to use iSiloX than AvantGo. Pls do continue or alternatively invite others to assist you so you can spend on you other "ventures".

It is actually an alias which I would have used for the upcoming site-update, so http://www.mobileread.com/forums/index.php etc works as well.


I like your suggestion. It also integrates well with what I've planned to change.

Hey Alexander or may I call you Alex?

How are you going to let the users who visit you everyday know that the site has moved? I would be very upset if one day I try www.turcic.com and come up with a 404 error.

How are you going to let the users who visit you everyday know that the site has moved? I would be very upset if one day I try www.turcic.com and come up with a 404 error.Alex is just fine :P Makes it easier right? Don't worry about turcic.com, it'll continue to function as an alias for a long time, no matter how I will rename and redo this site in near future ;)

Well said, radleyp!

I don't get here very often (notice how late into the game I'm writing). This is the first time I've been here since the original announcement.

I, too, use the Channel Collection with iSilo -- at least once per day; I've appreciated the updates whenever I came across those that interest me. There's nowhere else that has anything similar to the content on Turcic. By its very nature, I guess that it serves more as a reference than a sense of community.

It would be very bad for the site go away. I'm glad that Alexander is talking about expanding the site to include more than just the PDA side of things rather than administering its last rites.

Thanks, Alexander! Thanks for your hard, long, frequent hours -- not to mention expen$e to keep the site up and running. I for one really appreciate it!

cb

Your morose post made me sad, Alex. This will sound repetitive, but your site is unique. iSilo is a great app and completely outclasses AvantGo (which doesn't even work in my case). Diversifying turcic? I dunno... turcic has a unique niche right now (but presumably not enough interacting readers).

This will sound pathetic, but one reason I haven't really posted (yes, I'm one of the silent 95%) is that I still haven't got round to learning to use the web collection in a regular, daily way in the way that I used to use AvantGo. That is, AvantGo is easier to use, even if it has stopped working in my case.

Still, if you've already decided on diversifying Turcic, perhaps it will get even more interesting. I just hope the iSilo community support/interaction also continues.

By the way, I like your redesign, though the earlier design was cool, too.

Alex is just fine :P Makes it easier right? Don't worry about turcic.com, it'll continue to function as an alias for a long time, no matter how I will rename and redo this site in near future ;)

Alex,

You are the best. Thanks so much for clearing up the comic page for us!

This will sound pathetic, but one reason I haven't really posted (yes, I'm one of the silent 95%) is that I still haven't got round to learning to use the web collection in a regular, daily way in the way that I used to use AvantGo. That is, AvantGo is easier to use, even if it has stopped working in my case.

Hey,

From your clues it seems as if you are using a mac. Avantgo started to not work for me when I upgraded the palm desktop to version 4.0. I hear that there is a new way to make avantgo work by using the missing sync it only works with os x. But you have to weigh the price and the features. The Missing Sync for Internet Sharing - ESD - $19.95 while A single user license for iSilo™ costs $19.99. When I went to the website for The Missing Sync there is a complicated setup process for the application while isilo is pretty straight forward. Download isilo, download isilox and run isilox to convert document. It can also be scheduled so that if you know that you hotsync late in the day you can have isilox run during the day to get your pages and when you hotsync it will be there for you. I highly recommend isilo and just stopped using avantgo when I couldn't sync anymore. It also made my system lag when I did sync and I like that if I don't feel like reading the news and such I just don't run isilox. Please let me know if the problem you have is what I'm describing or if I just typed this all for nothing. I guess just a way for me to vent.

I'm at this thread/forum today as a direct consequence of a PDA247 posting. I'll confess: I'm ashamed of myself, because once I grabbed the uber-listing for iSiloX months ago, I didn't return long enough to realize that forums existed here. Nor did I take the time to extend my appreciation. I assure you, these are my failings, in no way reflecting your work.

Let me state now emphatically: your gift to the PDA community, in terms of:

-- the iSiloX bundle-- which caused/allowed many of us to abandon AvantGo completely;
-- the continued loving care evident in your constant feeding of the site;
-- & your overall selfless generosity

are all key to enriching the virtual community. Despite the human tendency to take without comment, for which I sincerely apologize, we are deeply appreciative.

Today especially, you've made me a better me, because you coerced a re-examination internally-- what I think I'm "about" versus my behavior. I'm conscious now, and so will strive to act accordingly in the future. Whatever that future may bring, absolutely absorb one thing to the core of your being: the world is truly a circle, my friend. What you put out, comes back, ten-fold and then some. This law of nature is as real as gravity. So, I know your future holds good things, sufficient to overcome the inevitable bumps along the way.

That said, let me now be on my way, with a bottle of Top Job, so I can clean up my little act!

:-)

Hi there,

I just want to say that I'm one of the nameless people you'd never hear from that loves your site. I've been downloading your lists for years now. Please know that it is appreciated.

Thanks

Hi Zire71man!

Aha! So AvantGo doesn't sync for other users too! Nope, I don't use a mac; I use Windows XP. AvantGo synced the first time right after installation, and then just stopped syncing. The same thing happened when I tried AvantGo earlier, with Windows 98; it only synced a few times.

However, I still haven't learnt how to use iSilo to sync a channel collection on a daily basis. I mean, AvantGo was as easy as just pressing HotSync once.





Hey,

From your clues it seems as if you are using a mac. Avantgo started to not work for me when I upgraded the palm desktop to version 4.0. I hear that there is a new way to make avantgo work by using the missing sync it only works with os x. But you have to weigh the price and the features. The Missing Sync for Internet Sharing - ESD - $19.95 while A single user license for iSilo™ costs $19.99. When I went to the website for The Missing Sync there is a complicated setup process for the application while isilo is pretty straight forward. Download isilo, download isilox and run isilox to convert document. It can also be scheduled so that if you know that you hotsync late in the day you can have isilox run during the day to get your pages and when you hotsync it will be there for you. I highly recommend isilo and just stopped using avantgo when I couldn't sync anymore. It also made my system lag when I did sync and I like that if I don't feel like reading the news and such I just don't run isilox. Please let me know if the problem you have is what I'm describing or if I just typed this all for nothing. I guess just a way for me to vent.

Hi Zire71man!

Aha! So AvantGo doesn't sync for other users too! Nope, I don't use a mac; I use Windows XP. AvantGo synced the first time right after installation, and then just stopped syncing. The same thing happened when I tried AvantGo earlier, with Windows 98; it only synced a few times.

However, I still haven't learnt how to use iSilo to sync a channel collection on a daily basis. I mean, AvantGo was as easy as just pressing HotSync once.

Hey,

Hmmm...windows xp. I had a problem with avantgo not working for me either at my job. What fixed it was ghosting the machine onto the network and reinstalling everything onto a clean system. Maybe upgrading avantgo would help. I heard that uninstalling and reinstalling palm desktop helps. You may also have a conduit that is incompatible with avantgo.

Anyway isilo for the price is much better then having to worry about avantgo. Avantgo to my knowledge is not hi res, doesn't have custumizable fonts, customizable text size (web pages look great on the zire 71), image compression to how big or how little you want the image including length and width (this helps with sites that have alot of images), the list goes on and on and on... :-)

It definitely does! I am not going to remove turcic.com, but I will try to move the focus to something more like a general computer news portal. In other words, nothing old will be removed, only new things will be added. I believe that content is the most important aspect of a web site, so let's try to increase user activity by creating new content.
Hi! Looking in the net for tips about another @#$%#@% MS "addition" (totally un-wanted): wisptis.exe, I found your site. Com'on! it's pretty nice and the info is really usefull (and I haven't a PDA!). Please, create new (and more) content for the entire PC (and non-PC) world, you're very welcome!!!

Hey there,

I'm afraid I'm late on the scene, but I must tell you I value your site very much. This personal insight may not be of much value, but I bought my PDA to help me (via the T:C wireless connection) to help me stay in touch and on topic with my University studies. Long story short: The University decided to cancel it's plans for a wireless communityfor another year.

This would have normally made my purchase almost useless, but your site has added an excellent amount of knowledge to keep me in contact with the rest of the world. Granted, I'm a mediaphile, but, honestly, the amount of _mobile_ knowledge you have facilitated has been enabling.

In short, please keep up the good work. I am unsure as to what problems other users may be having, but I know that your format has undeniably helped me.

Woody

I believe I speak for everyone that we like this site and want it to flourish also in future.

From what I conclude, the main problem is that Alex has already covered so much on PDA & mobile content that there is not so much left for us to say. To have more fervent discussions again, he should expand the focus of his forum.

I think Alex was looking for ideas how to expand the forum. :thinking2

My first ideas:

Step 1.

Currently we have the following forum layout:

- Mobile Web Channels
---iSilo Web Channel Collection
---MobiPocket eNews
---HandStory Clips
---New Links
---Links Discussion

- E-Books
---Book Links
---Book Reader Software
---Book Review

- Mobile Content Viewers
---iSilo/iSiloX
---MobiPocket
---HandStory
---Plucker
---Avantgo

- Mobile Hardware/Software
---General Palm Discussion
---General PPC Discussion
---Emerging Technologies

- Community
---Announcements
---Suggestions/Feedback
---Costa Del Sol

One thing we could do is create one new root section called e.g. 'Mobile PDA', and restructure the forum:

- Mobile PDA
---Web Channels (with its own subsections)
---Content Viewers (with its own subsections)
---Hardware/Software (with its own subsections)

- E-Books
---Book Links
---Book Reader Software
---Book Review

- Community
---Announcements
---Suggestions/Feedback
---Costa Del Sol
Now our root forum has only three sections, nothing of the old content has been removed, still with plenty of space for something new.

Step 2.
Take a look at Costa Del Sol (http://www.turcic.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=8) and see if there are any interesting topics we can use to create new forum sections.

How about this new section:

- Sapid Computer News
---Scene
---ReviewsJust one idea. "Scene" could imply anything related to computer-scene such as security, web development, ...

I must sleep over that to come up with more!

Tad

Hi Alex,

First of all, whatever your decision is I want to thank you for all that you've done. I don't browse or post in the site as often as I'd like, but the Web Collection list is truly great and the basis for my scheduled iSilo conversions.

A couple of observations-

1. Although I understand your motive behind requiring participation, etc. I think it is the wrong way of trying to solve the 'problem'. I don't think there's an actual problem per se, but I do understand that if more users contributed the mobile URL's and settings they used, the better the site would be. But forcing people to contribute is the wrong way, there are ways of encouraging it.

2. That being the case, I think you may want to rethink how the forums are organized. Right now they are organized 'functionally', based on platform or technical divisions.

I think if you want to turn the site into a true resource for mobile content, you need to change this and organize by content. Different sections for 'News', 'Sports', 'Technology', etc. just like how the Web Collection list is organized. Different programs (iSilo, Handstory, mobile browsers) will have different settings, but that is not as important as the type of content IMO. If a Handstory user posts a URL to a great mobile site, knowing the URL is 90% of it- I can figure out the best iSilo settings if I need to (the most important 2 factors being link depth, and whether including images will make the file too big). Also, now that I have internet on my Sony PDA even a URL is enough.

Adding user reviews would be great too, even if it's as simple as encouraging people to rate threads. Any feedback is better than none, and I think the simpler the set up the better.

In addition to the content sections, you would of course have technical sections/info, where people could learn how to best use whatever program they're using.

There are plenty of sites with mobile URL's for mobile web browsing, but only a couple of good ones. And none of the others have any information on web clipping. But to me it's all the same, the most important thing is who has the best collection of URL's to check (again, I can do the rest myself if needed.) The good thing about them is that they're organized by content, so I can easily browse through and look for whatever I'm interested in.

Right now you have the best of both worlds- the most comprehensive list of URL's, and information on clipping the sites too. So you only have to find the best way of leveraging these assets. Right now the only disadvantage I see is that it's not organized in a way that prioritizes content. The Web Collection list is organized this way, and I think this is why it's so popular.

3. I like the idea of a different URL like mobileread.com. Just as important, is there or will there be a mobile-optimized version of the site? That would be really useful too (whether someone accesses it wirelessly, or clips it).

Thanks, Steve

- Sapid Computer News
Sapid? What a tasty word... ;)

Nice suggestions. Reorganizing the site can make sense, but I wonder what percentage of folks here actual go to the top forum page where the sections show, and how many just click on the "new posts" button when they visit?

You can't be all things to all people, and focused sites tend to live longer. Alex's plan to expand is great, so long as the structure allows those who choose to just browse in one area that luxury.

Good ideas Tad...and I'm just funnin' ya about the word choice...

:)

Thank you for all your overwhelming input.

I want to say so much for now: I am working on a new site :wink: The new site will include everything this site includes, except for more.

Focus will definitely remain on PDA and mobile connectivity. But I also want to add more space for other interesting IT-related news.

My work goes in two steps. First I will reprogram the forum interface, will add functionality and make things more intuitive. Second I will restructure the forum to allow for more structured content.

This will take some time (let's say a month from now on), and in the meantime, I'd be glad if you could send me your input on what you would like to see changed.

Again, thanks for your great interest!

Alex

Just to let you know... I am working on it :)

Just to let you know... I am working on it :)

Sorry to read about your frustrations. I have been away from this site for some time (I just upgraded from iSilo 3.35 to 4.01 if that gives you any idea).

I am glad to see that you are not giving up on turic.com. I will try to participate more.

I am glad to see that you are not giving up on turic.com. I will try to participate more.
Nice to hear and thank you for the support.