View Full Version : Couple of Nook Color Questions


soondai
11-20-2010, 02:21 AM
I have a couple of questions I haven't seen addressed (might have just missed them)

1) Has B&N dicussed battery replacement? I know it'll last a few years, but have they mentioned how expensive it will be to replace? Will you have to send it in? I guess we'll get an idea shortly when teardown videos hit if it may prove user replaceable (unofficially) after all.

2) Concerning the e-ink Nook rooting/bricking issue from this summer. Did B&N purposely change the device so this would happen or was it a side effect of changes made for other purposes? I worry a little. Rebo made the point on the Nook Color Reviews thread in the News section that B&N is selling this machine at a pretty low margin and will definitely want to lock it down pretty tight and that really bothers me. I think it looks like a great buy, but only if I get to run what I want on it. I'm going to want some other reader software.
The prospect of bricking a 250 machine and having no recourse is a deal killer.

LoganK
11-20-2010, 02:35 AM
2) Concerning the e-ink Nook rooting/bricking issue from this summer. Did B&N purposely change the device so this would happen or was it a side effect of changes made for other purposes? I worry a little. Rebo made the point on the Nook Color Reviews thread in the News section that B&N is selling this machine at a pretty low margin and will definitely want to lock it down pretty tight and that really bothers me. I think it looks like a great buy, but only if I get to run what I want on it. I'm going to want some other reader software.
The prospect of bricking a 250 machine and having no recourse is a deal killer.

The changes were not made to intentionally break devices that users wanted to modify. New hardware revisions come out all the time, generally to reduce cost, to replace obsolete parts, or to fix known issues. Rooting often requires very specific behavior at a very low level, and the consequences when those assumptions aren't true can sometimes be nasty. (Of course, the reason it is so difficult to recover from such consequences is because the tools to recover are often the same tools that would have made hacking easier in the first place.)

It sounds as though you should wait until stable exploits are found with the Nook Color before purchasing. If you can't perform your own work to recover your device, it is unlikely that someone else will put in the work to help you.

Rebo
11-20-2010, 01:46 PM
I think it looks like a great buy, but only if I get to run what I want on it. I'm going to want some other reader software.
The prospect of bricking a 250 machine and having no recourse is a deal killer.

I've been following the hacking activities for the Nook Color on the xda-developer forum. So far, they do not have much luck yet. The device was cracked open but it was found all the chips were soldered underneath the metal shield. There is no easy access to the chip and they haven't found a way to boot it in recovery mode. This is not saying that they won't crack it eventually but it looks like it is not an easy task.

People should buy the NC for what it is, instead of fostering the hope to hack it into what it is not. Sure, $250 for a full functional high quality tablet will be the steal of the year but it is clear that B&N is subsidizing the HW so they can sell more e-content. B&N is not in the business of losing money so we shouldn't expect them to give their device away only to have the competitor app installed on it. For people who would prefer other reader app or a more open platform, the Galaxy Tablet seems to be the next best bet in the class.

stonetools
11-20-2010, 02:11 PM
+1. Look, Sundai, if you want to install other reader apps on it, then do it honestly and buy an all-purpose high-end tablet. Frankly, I'm afraid that all these hackers are going to f##k it up for us regular consumers who don't give a damn about rooting and other all these android fanboy games.

soondai
11-20-2010, 04:03 PM
thanks for the input. sounds like a bad fit for me: I already have (almost) all the reading material I desire and just want a machine that can do all the formats.

the Galaxy seems very pricey to me

probably go w/ the lower end pocketbook IQ or a netbook/tablet hybrid.

Noah98
11-20-2010, 04:26 PM
thanks for the input. sounds like a bad fit for me: I already have (almost) all the reading material I desire and just want a machine that can do all the formats.

the Galaxy seems very pricey to me

probably go w/ the lower end pocketbook IQ or a netbook/tablet hybrid.

The Pocketbook IQ looks like it is pretty nice. Also consider the Archos 70.

kconan
11-20-2010, 07:05 PM
Hi!

A friend is bringing a Nook Color to Europe next week. Do you know if the AC adapter works with 220v?

Will I be able to charge it with the regular USB-AC classic nook?

LoganK
11-20-2010, 07:57 PM
I like how you took the "couple of questions" title literally... :smile:

A friend is bringing a Nook Color to Europe next week. Do you know if the AC adapter works with 220v?

Yes (but you will obviously need an adapter).

Will I be able to charge it with the regular USB-AC classic nook?

While I haven't tested it thoroughly, it would appear so. (The device, at least, states "Not Charging" but the percentage did go up after a few minutes.)

Also note that the microUSB cable for the charger is special. In other words, the Nook Color charger won't fast charge with a standard cable (but it appears to slow charge).

The device will also slow charge when connected to a computer.

One of the engineers stated that the nook color will not charge when plugged in to a slow charge solution under heavy use (but at least the battery wouldn't drain).

(Note that these hoops are to deal with the fact that the fast charger provides 1.9 amps (at 5V) and there isn't, as far as I know, a standard for pushing that kind of power across a microUSB connector.)

sjkevin
11-20-2010, 09:32 PM
Concerning the e-ink Nook rooting/bricking issue from this summer. Did B&N purposely change the device so this would happen or was it a side effect of changes made for other purposes?


The change made the device a bit cheaper to manufacture, that's all.

I think B&N has no problem with people soft-rooting the e-ink device, as long as they're not expected to provide support for it. A soft-rooted nook purchases B&N content just the same as a normal one.

The nook color is probably a different story, though, since it's capable of running the Kindle app. Unlike the e-ink nook, I think B&N will actively try to make the nook color non-rootable. This is probably part of what's motivating the app store, to reduce demand for rooting.

Tess89
11-20-2010, 09:49 PM
The one and only app I would love to see on the color nook is Stanza. But there's no way that's going to be allowed. Anything that has the potential to compete with B&N sales isn't likely to make it to the app store. The bottom line is that B&N is under no obligation to turn it into a fully functional tablet. However, I do hope they offer more choices when it comes to improving the reading experience. I'd like to see more text, margin and background options. There is a reason why the nook app is one of the least popular reading apps on apple devices.

boswd
11-20-2010, 10:45 PM
Angry Birds, and LookOut mobile I would like

Cerridwyn
11-20-2010, 10:49 PM
I was under the impression the Color did not use e-ink but was a regular LCD display.

boswd
11-20-2010, 10:51 PM
and your impression is correct. Nook color is an lcd screen and the nook classic is eink

shadow00198
11-21-2010, 09:06 PM
It has apparently been found out that the boot sequence of the Nook Color is USB, Memory Card, Internal Flash Memory. This means 2 things. It first means that the ISO image can be loaded onto the Memory Card allowing a simple way to root. Second. It means that the device cannot be bricked because you would just have to take out or replace the image on the card. This is a hardwired problem meaning that no matter how many software updates B&N does on the device it will not solve this loophole. It is just a matter of time before the files are made available.

soondai
11-21-2010, 09:32 PM
booya!

where can we follow developments?

emt
11-21-2010, 10:16 PM
See: http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...5&postcount=21

aludal
11-21-2010, 11:40 PM
It has apparently been found out that the boot sequence of the Nook Color is USB, Memory Card, Internal Flash Memory. This means 2 things. It first means that the ISO image can be loaded onto the Memory Card allowing a simple way to root. Second. It means that the device cannot be bricked because you would just have to take out or replace the image on the card. This is a hardwired problem meaning that no matter how many software updates B&N does on the device it will not solve this loophole. It is just a matter of time before the files are made available.
There's still a lot of possibilities that this might not be played out as it seems. First, there's so called Droid X scare: an unidentified security chip which is not turned on -- yet. The function of it when it will be turned ON over WiFi is anyone wild guess: override "hardwired" boot order/sequence, inject "official" wipe and "update", up to the kill-switch/looper/brick. "All your B&N books are belong to us!" (just kidding....or not). Second, the building of a bootable image from a scratch is a tremendous task, ask Zoom II/Pandaboard developers. Just prepare to get something of an Ubuntu first, with no touch, no sound, no nothing first.
For the reference, see the original NOOK "rooting" history and what was achieved so far at Nookdevs. In three words, NOOK is closing.

shadow00198
11-22-2010, 12:41 AM
There's still a lot of possibilities that this might not be played out as it seems. First, there's so called Droid X scare: an unidentified security chip which is not turned on -- yet. The function of it when it will be turned ON over WiFi is anyone wild guess: override "hardwired" boot order/sequence, inject "official" wipe and "update", up to the kill-switch/looper/brick. "All your B&N books are belong to us!" (just kidding....or not). Second, the building of a bootable image from a scratch is a tremendous task, ask Zoom II/Pandaboard developers. Just prepare to get something of an Ubuntu first, with no touch, no sound, no nothing first.
For the reference, see the original NOOK "rooting" history and what was achieved so far at Nookdevs. In three words, NOOK is closing.

There are indeed a lot of ifs and maybes but i think this is a good start for the community. Lets try to be optimistic and see where this goes. It is my philosophy that no computing device is ever 100% hack proof so it is only a matter of time. :)

aludal
11-22-2010, 01:48 AM
The Pocketbook IQ looks like it is pretty nice. Also consider the Archos 70.
Pocketbook IQ is a re-brand/more-or-less exact copy of Pandigital Novel.

aludal
11-22-2010, 01:52 AM
There are indeed a lot of ifs and maybes but i think this is a good start for the community. Lets try to be optimistic and see where this goes. It is my philosophy that no computing device is ever 100% hack proof so it is only a matter of time. :)
Today was a great day in the history of jailbreaking of NC, see the summary and transcripts in my blog Fine Oils fineouils.blogspot.com

emt
11-22-2010, 08:48 AM
Nothing new here and you should learn how to spell your web site!

shadow00198
11-22-2010, 11:13 AM
I think the day is very near. If only I could go pick one up right now. That way I could start my own research into this.

katzki
11-22-2010, 11:40 AM
Pocketbook IQ is a re-brand/more-or-less exact copy of Pandigital Novel.

Till now, it seems that Pocketbook IQ is way better than Pandigial Novel White or Cruz reader in terms of software performance.

Yes, they are all based on the same hardware.
But Pocetbook has a faster processor and pocketbook's own reading app. I think Pocketbook IQ is more dedicated to reading than others but still good in tablet point of view.

Nowadays, I see a lot of cheap tablets which have really nice hardware and OS but they always fail in terms of software optimization. People just believe that Pocketbook IQ wil have better software as its reading software has been always the best.

Noah98
11-22-2010, 12:47 PM
Till now, it seems that Pocketbook IQ is way better than Pandigial Novel White or Cruz reader in terms of software performance.

Yes, they are all based on the same hardware.
But Pocetbook has a faster processor and pocketbook's own reading app. I think Pocketbook IQ is more dedicated to reading than others but still good in tablet point of view.

Nowadays, I see a lot of cheap tablets which have really nice hardware and OS but they always fail in terms of software optimization. People just believe that Pocketbook IQ wil have better software as its reading software has been always the best.

There are some significant differences between the PDN and the Pocketbook IQ.

1. Hardware buttons (no soft buttons, or hacked volume buttons needed on the pocketbook)
2. Build quality (The PDN plastic is prone to flaking and cracking, the Pocketbook IQ is metal)
3. No software hacks/alternative firmware required for installing your own apps. In addition, Pocketbook seems keen on eventually updating to Android 2.2.

Baka no Kami
11-22-2010, 11:17 PM
I like how you took the "couple of questions" title literally... :smile:



Yes (but you will obviously need an adapter).



While I haven't tested it thoroughly, it would appear so. (The device, at least, states "Not Charging" but the percentage did go up after a few minutes.)

Also note that the microUSB cable for the charger is special. In other words, the Nook Color charger won't fast charge with a standard cable (but it appears to slow charge).

The device will also slow charge when connected to a computer.

One of the engineers stated that the nook color will not charge when plugged in to a slow charge solution under heavy use (but at least the battery wouldn't drain).

(Note that these hoops are to deal with the fact that the fast charger provides 1.9 amps (at 5V) and there isn't, as far as I know, a standard for pushing that kind of power across a microUSB connector.)

Just to expand on this a little, my experience was that the nookcolor would charge off a USB as long as the screen was off. Mine had about 50% showing on the battery when I left it plugged into my laptop and fell asleep, when I woke up it had a full charge. I also found that when the LCD is on the color will not charge, but the battery takes much longer to drain. Watching a video for 30 minutes took 5-6% of the battery when it was unplugged, only 1% when it was on USB. These seemed to hold true even when I was using a generic microUSB cable and not the nook specific one.