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Kevin2960
11-13-2010, 08:43 AM
I have a Sony PRS-600 and a K3 (3G + WiFi), My wife also has a K3

She needs a new phone, and likes the HTC phones,

Has anyone any experience of using HTC Android phones ? and using Kindle for Android on them ?

I ask this as she will have phone with her everywhere, but some places she won't have her Kindle, and we wondered just how well they work ?

Also any Android Apps for reading ePub ?

Thanks for any info / comment / advice :)

leaston
11-13-2010, 09:09 AM
Hi Kevin,

I have the HTC Desire and had a Hero before that. I've played with Kindle on Android and it's a good app, but lacks features of the likes of Aldiko and FBReader (the best two imo).

I use epub files almost exclusively now as the formatting is the nicest and they are easy to work with. If you grab a copy of the freebie Calibre on the PC, you can convert pretty much any file to and from epub format. For reading these, I use FBReader. Again, another free program, regularly updated, feature rich, stable and great to read books with in bed. :D

If you need any more info, just ask, I'll try and help as much as I can. If you'd like me to reload Kindle on my phone to answer your questions, I'd be happy to do a quick review of it for you.

All the best,
Leaston

PS: I've grabbed the Kindle app again and am writing up a review for you. Watch this space! :)

leaston
11-13-2010, 09:56 AM
Here's my Android Kindle App review as promised:

When first run, you are shown a login/register screen. It says for Amazon.com, but I entered my Amazon.co.uk credentials and it picked up my account.

Once into the app, you go into the menu and select Kindle Store. Oddly, this opens in a browser window, rather than through the app.

On the browser page, you can select any of the following options:
Browse Books by Category
Kindle Bestsellers
New & Noteworthy
Free Popular Classics
Recommended for You

For this mini review, I selected to grab a freebie classic. This takes you to another page that just looks like a mobile version of the Amazon site, all very familiar. As per the site, you can filter books by price, popularity, bestselling etc.

I chose Dracula as my book. After clicking on the "Buy Now" button (which showed a zero cost), I was frustratingly taken to a sign in page. So, even after entering my credentials in the Kindle app, I had to do it again on this page. Hmm.

Once signed in (again), I get to another page offering to send the book to my HTC Desire. Nice. I presume the app detected which phone I'm using. The book now begins to download in the background while I can either continue shopping or return to the Kindle app. I'll just add here that my Desire is already connected to my home Internet connection via wifi, which was all transparently picked up by the Kindle app.

Going back to the Kindle app home screen and.... no book yet. Ahh, I'm downloading on the PC! I pause the download and wait with baited breath for Dracula to appear...I must admit, I'd have preferred some kind of progress bar or something here. The Kindle store allowed the transaction and informed me that the book would be downloaded and automatically sent to my Kindle app, but I have no way of telling how far it's got or how long it will take. So, I wait.

Ok, nothing is happening after 5 minutes waiting, so I begin fiddling with the app menu. There's an "Archived Items" menu which has a comment "To download books you already own, select Archived Items from the Menu". Ok, I'll bite. Yep, in Archived Items, I have a copy of Dracula! Now, that's a bit confusing to say the least. The Kindle store says the book will be added to the app Home screen. Yet, in the app, you have to go into Archived Items to see the book, NOT the home screen.

Clicking on the book and guess what? Yes, it begins to download! I think someone needs to check this app for consistency. While downloading, I am shown some helpful reading tips. THings like "Tap in the margins or flick to turn pages" and "Touch and hold over text to add notes, highlights, and more".

Finally, into the book and I'm looking at a plain white background with a nice, large serif font with Chapter One displayed. As the Desire screen resolution is so high for the screen size, the text looks lovely. It's very crisp and clean looking and easy on the eyes. Entering the menu, I can change the font size to one of 5 different sizes and pick a background of white, sepia or black (which also changes the font to white). The sizes are good, although you'd need really bad eyesight to need the largest size and you're only getting something like 40-50 words on screen, so it would require a lot of flicking to get through any book! The smallest is fine for me.

In terms of config, this is where the Kindle app has a long way to go to contend with FBReader. If I want to read with the white background in a dark room, it would be far too stark and bright to be comfortable with the Kindle app. With FBReader, I can change the font and background colours to anything I want. I can swipe my finger down the left side of the screen to alter the brightness (just in the app itself), change fonts, hyphenation, margins, scrollbar and footer settings, text scrolling method and more. The Kindle app can handle bookmarks and when you highlight text, you can add notes and even search Wikipedia online for whatever you have highlighted. How useful this is, I don't know.

Quitting and reopening the Kindle app has forced Dracula to the home screen. So, it seems you have to actually open a book before it downloads to your phone. The other failing of the Kindle app is that if you have a lot of books, you can't really do anything other than have a long list on the home screen and sort them by author, title or most recent. FBReader automatically puts books into virtual folders according to the author's name, which makes navigating dozens of books (like I have) very easy and quick.

So, in conclusion. The Android Kindle app is a mixed bag really. Once you get a book into the app, it's nice enough to read with. I think the process you have to go through to get books onto the phone is far from intuitive though and could be very confusing to some. It needs many more features before I'd consider using it regularly. But, the real killer for me is to do with book formats. Kindle is limited to what Amazon supplies and in their proprietary format. FBReader et al enables me to grab books from anywhere I like, in any format and will just display them without restriction or complaint. This is the dealbreaker for me with Kindle the app, and the device itself.

Anyway, I hope this helps you make a decision. I'd really recommend Android as a platform for reading ebooks on, partly because of its open nature, but also because of the choice you have of formats and book reading software.

All the best,
Leaston :)

Kevin2960
11-13-2010, 03:22 PM
WOW Leaston,

:) :thanks: :thanks: :thanks: :D :2thumbsup:


That has to be on of the most comprehensive and certainly the most useful response EVER, hence the slightly over the top smilies :)

I think you have decided for us to go for one of the new HTC phones, and to install Kindle and Aldiko and FBreader too,

I can't thank you enough for the in depth review even though it was rather inconvenient and awkward for you, :thanks:

As for which phone still not completely decided but I certainly like the Desire HD which looks brilliant,

Oh my wife told me to blow you a kiss in thanks for all your effort ... Sorry mate, but I think that might just be a little over the top ... Hope you don't mind :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Again thanks a lot :thanks: :thumbsup:

leaston
11-13-2010, 03:39 PM
Hi Kevin,

LOL! I love your reply! :rofl:

You're more than welcome. It only took me around half an hour or so to write the review, so it wasn't hard work for me. If it has helped one way or another, it was worth the effort. :)

In terms of the phone, I think you'll be happy with the Desire. It's a nice smartphone, HTC hardware is extremely well built and reliable and Android is great whether you're just an ordinary user or someone who likes to hack the OS and play around under the bonnet.

Anyway, if you need any more help, just give me a shout. I don't mind at all.

Cheers,
Leaston

lamoe
11-13-2010, 04:18 PM
Wife and I just 2 new phones – HTC EVO (me), Samsung Galaxy (her). Two major differences.

HTC has on virtual keyboard and even when in horz position still easy to fat finger a key. The Galaxy has the slide out board which even I can use easily. Don't do much texting so mine isn’t a problem for me. Also noticed that my screen appears to have a more sensitive touch which I like for game playing.

Second one is more problematic. In our house I get 3 / 4 bars of service, she only gets 1 / 2 and that results is many dropped calls for her. First phone that’s happened with. Called Sprint and because we also have a PCIM card and router for our computers, they’re sending us a signal booster for free with no monthly service charge. Will probably hack one of our phones to turn it into a hotspot. But, not right now.

Finally have 3 readers I use. Pandigital Novel, HTC, and Nextar T30. HTC is a great reader and very easy on the eyes. Nextar was my backup now it’s the HTC.

Look around for one of those rechargeable 5vdc batteries. Got one for $5 at WalMart. Works great and you’ll need it because these Android phones are real power hogs. I always make sure what apps are running and shutdown any that look / use external signals, GPS, Navigation, Maps etc.

leaston
11-13-2010, 05:03 PM
Yeah, the smartphones aren't great with batteries. The Evo is a really nice HTC phone though. I haven't seen it in the UK. It's probably available somewhere here, but isn't common like the Desire and Hero.

I'm on my 4th smartphone now and have adapted to the need to charge often because most of them are poor. I have one of those emergency chargers too (got it from a pound shop of all places!) and it's worth its weight in gold.

lamoe
11-13-2010, 06:44 PM
I take it a pound shop is a discount store.

Since I got my Pandigital I’ve been scouring the big box stores we have looking for various accesories. So far have a solar charger, 9 / 12 vdc external battery, 3 wall chargers, and an auto DC / AC converter. They all fit into an inexpensive case ($10).

If you’d like to see it, go to the Slatedroid site and look in the Pandigital forum for

PDN Case on steroids part 1

Forgot to mention the galaxy comes with one of the best phone headsets I've had. Took my wife's, she dosen't use it.

amoroso
11-13-2010, 07:01 PM
Has anyone any experience of using HTC Android phones ? and using Kindle for Android on them ?
I have an old HTC Magic and am reading my third ebook with Kindle for Android. The app is good enough for me. My eyesight is not as good as it used to be, yet I can read comfortably.

Here is a recent review of Kindle for Android (http://www.womenwithdroids.com/2010/10/kindle-for-android-making-kindle-ownership-that-much-sweeter/) with some usage tips.

leaston
11-13-2010, 08:44 PM
lamoe - Sorry, yes the Pound shops here are discount stores where everything costs 1UKP. They do sell a lot of junk, but there are some great bargains to be had too.

amoroso - Thanks for the link to the review. I am really, really impressed about the way the Kindle app and physical units sync, even to the point of saving your current page. Now, that's an amazing feature! Wow, I love the idea of it.

Dopedangel
11-13-2010, 09:05 PM
@lamoe
have you tried swype keyboard it comes preinstalled in galaxy phones you might have download for your phone but once you use it you will never want to go back to normal keyboards

Kevin2960
11-14-2010, 07:06 AM
Thanks a lot guys, It's helped us lots on deciding, we have now ordered an HTC Desire HD for my wife on a 24 month contract which offers all she could need, so now just have to wait 2 or 3 days ... It's not here yet LOL ... We will be back when we screw up setting everything up ... Can't wait to play ...

Thanks Again Everyone

leaston
11-14-2010, 12:03 PM
Welcome to the Android Owners Club Kevin and your missus. Good choice!! Of course, you'll want one next :p

Kevin2960
11-14-2010, 06:40 PM
Welcome to the Android Owners Club Kevin and your missus. Good choice!! Of course, you'll want one next :p

Don't ... I've apparently already had my Christmas presents for 25 years :eek: :(

Thanks again Leaston

:thanks:

=X=
11-15-2010, 12:40 PM
Yes the HTD Desire HD is a really good phone. It's the EVO baseline plus more.

HTC sense UI is really the best Android UI in my opinion, course I went with a Galaxy S because of the screen and Hardware.

As far as eBook Readers I think the two best are Kindle 4 Android and Moon+.

Since you own an Kindle you'll enjoy the wispersync feature. Also it is the only ereader that allows one to annotate and highlight books. The downside is that it does not handle books that are not generated from Amazon. You can read them and bookmark them but the application always crashes. Which makes bookmarking useless. The only feature that works for non Amazon books is the last page read.

Moon+ is on par with the other readers and gives even more options than other ebook readers. It supports ePUB and a few other formats. The Moon+ Pro is in beta and supports TTS. The way you activate it is by shaking the phone, great if you listen to audio books on a commute.

=X=

leaston
11-15-2010, 04:25 PM
Thanks for the mention of Moon+ =X=. I thought I'd tried all the Android readers, but I missed this one. It's very good!

lamoe
11-15-2010, 06:28 PM
@lamoe
have you tried swype keyboard it comes preinstalled in galaxy phones you might have download for your phone but once you use it you will never want to go back to normal keyboards

tried wifes swype love it - trying to find where I and if it can be installed on HTC EVO

Kevin2960
11-15-2010, 07:48 PM
Thanks =X=Much appreciate the comments and the help. my wife can't wait ... abd my hands are already bound to keep them OFF of it ... !!!! DRAT !

Kevin2960
11-15-2010, 07:58 PM
Yes the HTD Desire HD is a really good phone. It's the EVO baseline plus more.

HTC sense UI is really the best Android UI in my opinion, course I went with a Galaxy S because of the screen and Hardware.

As far as eBook Readers I think the two best are Kindle 4 Android and Moon+.

=X=


Waiting for the Phones arrival, tried to look up Moon+ and found nothing so far ... a link would be greatly appreciated :D

wodin
11-15-2010, 08:42 PM
Here (http://www.moondownload.com/) you go. To download it just wait until you get your new phones, and go to the Market.

leaston
11-16-2010, 05:50 AM
Hi Kevin,

If you install apps from your PC to the phone, you won't be informed of updates. If you install them via the official Android Market (which is already on your phone when you get it), it tracks and notifies you of updates. As many Android programs are updated regularly I'd recommend installing most, if not all apps and games via the market.

It'll make more sense when you see it for yourself. Or, when your wife does anyway hehe. Oh, you are so going to suffer watching her using the Desire :p :nana:

Cheers,
Leaston

Kevin2960
11-16-2010, 06:46 AM
Here (http://www.moondownload.com/) you go. To download it just wait until you get your new phones, and go to the Market.

Thanks Wodin, Much appreciated :)

Kevin2960
11-16-2010, 06:52 AM
Hi Kevin,

If you install apps from your PC to the phone, you won't be informed of updates. If you install them via the official Android Market (which is already on your phone when you get it), it tracks and notifies you of updates. As many Android programs are updated regularly I'd recommend installing most, if not all apps and games via the market.

It'll make more sense when you see it for yourself. Or, when your wife does anyway hehe. Oh, you are so going to suffer watching her using the Desire :p :nana:

Cheers,
Leaston



Thanks so very much AGAIN Leaston ... your advice and comments / information have been so very very helpful, Phone is due today :D


Now ... How do you suggest I can get my dear wife to get a Second one for ME :thumbsup: :cool: :2thumbsup

Kevin2960
11-16-2010, 09:48 AM
It's Here !

CHARGING ... Struggling against switching on before charged ... I know might be ok, but taking NO chances ... Only 3 hours to wait ... What can I do WITH the wife for 3 hours ... Answers in a plain brown envelope Please !!!!

=X=
11-16-2010, 12:58 PM
@wodin

;)

=X=
11-16-2010, 01:03 PM
@leaston/Kevin, your welcome. Glad I could help.

Waiting for the Phones arrival, tried to look up Moon+ and found nothing so far ... a link would be greatly appreciated :D
Once you get your phones launch the market and type "Moon+" (you must include the "+" with no space).

Also I strongly recommend installing a barcode scanner since many sites will list QR codes that take you straight to the market on your phone.

There are a lot of them but I use "Barcode Scanner"

=X=

leaston
11-16-2010, 01:34 PM
It's Here !

CHARGING ... Struggling against switching on before charged ... I know might be ok, but taking NO chances ... Only 3 hours to wait ... What can I do WITH the wife for 3 hours ... Answers in a plain brown envelope Please !!!!
Yay!!! I'm excited for you lol!

I've been married for nearly 20yrs now, so I'm kinda out of suggestions about what to do with her indoors :p

=X= - Love the barcode. Me too!!!

Kevin2960
11-17-2010, 03:04 PM
Yay!!! I'm excited for you lol!

I've been married for nearly 20yrs now, so I'm kinda out of suggestions about what to do with her indoors :p

=X= - Love the barcode. Me too!!!


Married 16 years .... hence asked for suggestions ......and the PHONE is

:D:D:D:2thumbsup:2thumbsup:2thumbsup :):):) :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: :D:D:D
:thanks::thanks::thanks:
:cool:

Kevin2960
11-17-2010, 03:13 PM
A friend at my local Ham Radio Club bought one of the 5 Inch DELL androids at the weekend, had it on him on Monday night .... It sure is a thing of great BEAUTY !

leaston
11-17-2010, 03:25 PM
I ran out of ideas after being worn down over the first five years or so of marriage. Once you get trained NOT to have ideas or think for yourself any more, it's plain sailing!! You should have read the small print mate. :deal: :rofl:

Glad you like the phone. But, does the wife like it too? You could try putting it down and picking fault at every opportunity in the hope she'll lose interest. :evilgrin::wink3: It won't work of course. I just like to see others suffering :p :snicker:

A Dell now?! Oh man, you've got it bad Kevin. You're doomed I'm afraid. :yes:

wodin
11-17-2010, 03:32 PM
A friend at my local Ham Radio Club bought one of the 5 Inch DELL androids at the weekend, had it on him on Monday night .... It sure is a thing of great BEAUTY !

Yes, but is it SHINY?

Kevin2960
11-17-2010, 05:12 PM
@leaston/Kevin, your welcome. Glad I could help.


Once you get your phones launch the market and type "Moon+" (you must include the "+" with no space).

Also I strongly recommend installing a barcode scanner since many sites will list QR codes that take you straight to the market on your phone.

There are a lot of them but I use "Barcode Scanner"

=X=


Got it ... Love it ... Works Brilliantly :thumbsup:

Kevin2960
11-17-2010, 05:20 PM
Yes, but is it SHINY?



Maybe ... Not sure ... Was too busy being DAZZLED by the lovely bright 5 Inch screen but the Desire HD is better size to hold :p :cool:

wodin
11-17-2010, 06:51 PM
Yes, I understand where it might be. I'm kind of fond of my 4.3" HTC EVO 4G. Do most of my reading on either it or my computer.

Especially if the book is a Kindle, and I can use WhisperSync to keep them synchronized. If not, I thend to just stick with the EVO. It’s a little more (well ... about twice as much) page turning, but the reading experience is wholly adequate, and my EVO is always with me. With a much larger device that would probably not be the case.

Kevin2960
11-18-2010, 05:14 AM
Wodin,

Checked out the barcode ... anyone would think Your a GEEK !!!!

lamoe
11-19-2010, 10:10 AM
@lamoe
have you tried swype keyboard it comes preinstalled in galaxy phones you might have download for your phone but once you use it you will never want to go back to normal keyboards

Swype is not avaliable for the Evo - the originators have asked sites to remove all apps of it. They did do a beta test for EVO's - have emailed them asking for inclusion in program - no responce yet - also - the Airave didn't work - seems you need a DSL line to power it - talk about catch 22 - Sprint dosn't offer DSL and the device won't work with a phone card - so what do they do? Sent me 2 of them.

Will be sending them back and probably replacing her phone with another to see if it gets better reception - their techs checked her's out and said it's working fine.

wodin
11-19-2010, 12:50 PM
Swype is not avaliable for the Evo - the originators have asked sites to remove all apps of it. They did do a beta test for EVO's - have emailed them asking for inclusion in program - no responce yet - also - the Airave didn't work - seems you need a DSL line to power it - talk about catch 22 - Sprint dosn't offer DSL and the device won't work with a phone card - so what do they do? Sent me 2 of them.

Will be sending them back and probably replacing her phone with another to see if it gets better reception - their techs checked her's out and said it's working fine.

Not having an Airave, I might be talking off the wall here, but I thought the beastie would work with any broadband connection.

=X=
11-19-2010, 06:51 PM
Swype is not avaliable for the Evo
Swype is great however there are other keyboards app that are very good.

I use two keyboards, swype and 8pen. I'm litterly twice as fast with Swype than 8pen. But to use swype I must be looking at the keyboard. With 8pen there was a big learning curve, but now I can type without looking at the keyboard and is much more accurate than typing with swype.

I'm still pausing to think when I use 8pen so I know there is room for improvement. However it will not compare to swype, until 8pen predictive text gets as good as swype.



8pen [* my default]
http://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/tools/8pen_mvwn.html



Swiftkey
QR-CODE
http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=qr&chs=135x135&chl=market%3a%2f%2fdetails%3fid%3dcom.touchtype.sw iftkey.trial%26referrer%3dutm_source%253DAndrolib% 2526utm_medium%253DPage%2526utm_campaign%253DAndro lib%2520Page

mgrunk
11-24-2010, 12:08 AM
I have an HTC Eris and use Kindle as my main reading platform. You can change the font size between 5 sizes, and either a white background w/ black letters, sepia background w/ brownish letters, or black background w/ gray letters, and you can adjust the brightness, all via the menu button.

I didn't read the thread closely, so maybe this wasn't the info you were looking for. But, I'm happy enough. I wanted a place to buy new books to read on the phone across platforms. I also couldn't get Wordplayer book reader to sync w/ calibre pc nor could I get to my Calibre server via the phone's browser window, so it was a hassle getting books on the htc.

wodin
11-24-2010, 02:56 AM
Wodin,

Checked out the barcode ... anyone would think Your a GEEK !!!!

Yes, and not only that; it pays well too! :xmas::thumbsup:

Kevin2960
11-25-2010, 12:30 PM
I have an HTC Eris and use Kindle as my main reading platform. You can change the font size between 5 sizes, and either a white background w/ black letters, sepia background w/ brownish letters, or black background w/ gray letters, and you can adjust the brightness, all via the menu button.

I didn't read the thread closely, so maybe this wasn't the info you were looking for. But, I'm happy enough. I wanted a place to buy new books to read on the phone across platforms. I also couldn't get Wordplayer book reader to sync w/ calibre pc nor could I get to my Calibre server via the phone's browser window, so it was a hassle getting books on the htc.


All info was welcome, my wife now has her HTC Desire HD and loves it, including several installed readers ..... amd lots of books and games :D

lamoe
11-26-2010, 09:05 AM
Not having an Airave, I might be talking off the wall here, but I thought the beastie would work with any broadband connection.


Thought so too - called Sprint - nope - only works with DSL - called Sprint techie who spent about an hour on his end reworking firmware - so so results - probably have to wait for 4G to get out to me

lamoe
11-26-2010, 09:12 AM
Swype is great however there are other keyboards app that are very good.

I use two keyboards, swype and 8pen. I'm litterly twice as fast with Swype than 8pen. But to use swype I must be looking at the keyboard. With 8pen there was a big learning curve, but now I can type without looking at the keyboard and is much more accurate than typing with swype.

I'm still pausing to think when I use 8pen so I know there is room for improvement. However it will not compare to swype, until 8pen predictive text gets as good as swype.



8pen [* my default]
http://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/tools/8pen_mvwn.html



Swiftkey
QR-CODE
http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=qr&chs=135x135&chl=market%3a%2f%2fdetails%3fid%3dcom.touchtype.sw iftkey.trial%26referrer%3dutm_source%253DAndrolib% 2526utm_medium%253DPage%2526utm_campaign%253DAndro lib%2520Page

Been using stylus from Raido Shack that works on both resistive and capactive screens (Pandigital Novel / EVO). Getting hang of it and write in horizontal position (larger keys).