Hi i just recieved my Kindle and on left hand side there is a small4-5 mm slit where you can see inside the kindle. should this be there?

thanks

Kevin

There are two holes on the left side where the Amazon lighted cover attaches. One at the top, sort of between the speaker and the back page button, and one at the bottom, right around the Q key (a little above it).

There are two holes on the left side where the Amazon lighted cover attaches. One at the top, sort of between the speaker and the back page button, and one at the bottom, right around the Q key (a little above it).

Oh good. I do not have a wireless network but it has conected to 7 networks not sure how as i did not set it up. Is it legal to use these networks because I think they cold be residential ones?

Kev

Oh good. I do not have a wireless network but it has conected to 7 networks not sure how as i did not set it up. Is it legal to use these networks because I think they cold be residential ones?

Kev

In the UK is it a criminal offence to use a wireless network without permission. People have been prosecuted for it. Don't do it.

If a network is left open/unsecured, anyone may freely connect to it. Pretty sure it's legal, though it isn't particularly smart of your neighbors to do it. Lots of coffee shops and small businesses leave their WiFi networks open around downtown to encourage people to eat/work there. Public library also has it.

Most of them that know they are freely giving bandwidth out throttle it, my guess is your neighbors don't. Doubt they will know/care if you are using a kindle on it though. That thing uses such little bandwidth they would never notice.

In the UK is it a criminal offence to use a wireless network without permission. People have been prosecuted for it. Don't do it.

I think you are talking about WEP cracking, not connecting to unsecured/open networks...

If a network is left open/unsecured, anyone may freely connect to it. Pretty sure it's legal, though it isn't particularly smart of your neighbors to do it. Lots of coffee shops and small businesses leave their WiFi networks open around downtown to encourage people to eat/work there. Public library also has it.


A WiFi network that is intended for public use is a different matter altogether. It is an unquestionable fact that in the UK, which is where the original poster is located, to use someone's personal (or corporate) WiFi network without their permission is a crime, and one for which people have been prosecuted. This applies even if the network is unsecured. To use an analogy, leaving the front door of your house unlocked does not make it permissible for a total stranger to come and sit in your living room.

If a network is left open/unsecured, anyone may freely connect to it.

Nuh-nuh-nuh - please don't do this ;) If you connect to a *private* network - i.e. something owned by someone else, even if they ARE as stupid as to leave it unencrypted - then you are committing tresspass under UK law; that's how several people have been prosecuted in the past - not through the computer misuse act, when it comes to hacking.

Basically, look at it this way - your neighbour has left their wireless network open - would you log on and use it?

And - your neighbour has left the front door to their house open - would you go in and take things?

Harry snapped it at the same time as me ;)

Regarding the situation in the US, this link (http://www.darknet.org.uk/2007/06/michigan-man-fined-400-for-using-coffee-shops-wi-fi-network/) may be of some interest. (It concerns a Michigan man being fined $400 for using a coffee shop's WiFi network.)

When I received mine, there was a bunch of holes on the top side. After staring at it, I realized the back panel was not snapped in properly. Pressed it gently and it snapped in. Yikes.

Regarding the situation in the US, this link (http://www.darknet.org.uk/2007/06/michigan-man-fined-400-for-using-coffee-shops-wi-fi-network/) may be of some interest. (It concerns a Michigan man being fined $400 for using a coffee shop's WiFi network.)

So, that means using public Wifi hotspots is illegal in the US?

LOL @ UK laws, you guys are silly, but then again you also allow nonsense like THIS (http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1735382/anti-piracy-site-cleaners) go go on, so your networking laws are .....

Don't use the open wireless then!
Possessing a network device that you don't configure properly should be YOUR OWN responsibility (any violation of service should be your own fault - if you leave it open/get hacked = your fault) Sorry but ignorance is not really a way to opt-out of responsibility. At least this is how we treat it here.

Doing this would be similar to leaving a live extension cord out in the street, a water hose running 24/7, your windows unlocked, your car unlocked, etc. Irresponsibility.
If you don't understand how something works, don't buy it. WiFi has had easy config options for years now, and even WEP with it's infinite flaws is better than nothing. Yet I still see my neighbors with open routers purchased 2 months ago (WPA2/AES defaults) set to open. I'm tempted to brick them by tftping half a firmware over wlan. Idiots. But I digress.

So, that means using public Wifi hotspots is illegal in the US?

I think the issue was that the WiFi was only there for use of customers of the coffee shop, and this gentleman was not a customer - he was just sitting outside, using it.

So, that means using public Wifi hotspots is illegal in the US?

No. But you have to use common sense.

No. But you have to use common sense.

Oh. Whoops. Talk about asking too much from people...

No. But you have to use common sense.

Common sense is not that common.

The Kindle should not connect to a wifi network unless you specifically click on it. If you accidentally clicked and connected to a network you didn't intend, there's a "forget" option.

The Kindle should not connect to a wifi network unless you specifically click on it. If you accidentally clicked and connected to a network you didn't intend, there's a "forget" option.
Exactly. Too many people are spreading false information about this. The Kindle only connects to WiFi access points that it has connected to before even if they've got no protection OR if it is an AT&T WiFi Hotspot. It won't connect automatically to any other access point.

If the Kindle is connecting automatically then you've connected to that WiFi access point previously and need to delete that association yourself. Don't blame Amazon or the Kindle.

When the original poster says "it has conected to 7 networks", I'm pretty sure that he actually means that 7 networks are visible to the Kindle, not that it has "connected" to them.

In the UK is it a criminal offence to use a wireless network without permission. People have been prosecuted for it. Don't do it.

Thanks for the info, i turned the wifi off and tried to get a bok off the website and it keeps asking me to turn wifi on when its a 3g as well. do i have to change a setting?

thanks

Kev

Just checked the WIFI is off but the wireless is on (is that the 3G) if so, I havn't conected to other peoples networks?

The wireless setting turns WiFi AND 3G on/off. You can't do one only.

You should be very leery about connecting to wireless networks you haven't set up yourself, either with a Kindle or with any other device. You don't know the intentions of the person who set it up. It would be pretty easy for a ne'er-do-well to set up a wireless network without encryption which logs data sent to and from banking or shopping sites, then wait for some sucker to come along, connect to their network, and then visit one of those sites. Even in places where you're invited to connect to the network, like hotels and coffee shops, it's probably a good idea to avoid any network transaction which involves sensitive or personal information - perhaps the network you're connecting to was actually set up by another customer with ill intentions, or perhaps one of the employees has come up with a way to make a little money on the side. These sorts of hijinks are referred to as "man in the middle attacks" - though "attack" is sort of the wrong word because it's more like passive data collecting.

The internet's a dangerous place. Good luck out there.

So what happens if you drive around the UK with a router running netstumbler with GPS attachment?

Oh snap sounds like perfect app for the kindle!

Cell radio for GPS
Wifi for netstumbler/kismet?
E-ink display to show where you are via google maps!

Somebody with KDK get to work!

Oh, and the 4gb is probably not enough room to store that many dumps, so better implement a usb storage module so we can hook up a usb harddrive or sd module to analyze all of those keys on our desktop @ home later.

I don't think the freescale 533 or w/e is going to cut it.

Cell radio for GPS
No GPS in the 3G module used in the Kindle. The best you can do is positioning based on cell tower IDs and BSSID of the WiFi access points you can see nearby.

don't think the freescale 533 or w/e is going to cut it.
Why not?

Sounds like the American guy purposefully drove his car to that cafe and parked outside on a regular basis in order to use their wi-fi. He did it often enough that the hairdresser next door recognised his car and thought he was acting suspiciously.

I think he got what he deserved in this particular case.

When I received mine, there was a bunch of holes on the top side. After staring at it, I realized the back panel was not snapped in properly. Pressed it gently and it snapped in. Yikes.

My Kindle 3 fell on the concrete and the back cover unsnapped. I snapped it back in order and everything is fine.

No GPS in the 3G module used in the Kindle. The best you can do is positioning based on cell tower IDs and BSSID of the WiFi access points you can see nearby.


Why not?

WEP cracking requires a decent amount of CPU cycles (not tons) but you sometimes have to go through decent amount of packet caps before you can get it.

WPA2 will take a long time to get a key, so you'll need a lot more storage, and a lot more processor power. But then again, I'm not a hacker, so I wouldn't know =)

WEP cracking requires a decent amount of CPU cycles (not tons) but you sometimes have to go through decent amount of packet caps before you can get it.

WPA2 will take a long time to get a key, so you'll need a lot more storage, and a lot more processor power. But then again, I'm not a hacker, so I wouldn't know =)
Ahh. I thought you meant sniffing unencrypted traffic. In that case yep, I agree. The Kindle is probably too underpowered in terms of CPU and memory to do this.

Too many people don't realise that no protection on your WiFi doesn't just mean anybody can use it but also that anybody can see what you're doing as most sites don't use SSL.

Thanks for the info, i turned the wifi off and tried to get a bok off the website and it keeps asking me to turn wifi on when its a 3g as well. do i have to change a setting?

thanks

Kev

Just checked the WIFI is off but the wireless is on (is that the 3G) if so, I havn't conected to other peoples networks?


gaaah, people are way to quick to jump on the whole 'illegal wireless' thing. just ignore all that. you have to be connected to wireless to download books from the store. if you have 3G, just turn on the wireless and don't worry about changing any other settings.

your kindle will tell you what wifi networks are available in the wireless settings page, it will not connect to any unless you specifically tell it to. if you don't have home wifi to connect to, you should never have to use the wireless settings page. just keep using the 3G network the kindle automatically connects to.

Ahh. I thought you meant sniffing unencrypted traffic. In that case yep, I agree. The Kindle is probably too underpowered in terms of CPU and memory to do this.

Too many people don't realise that no protection on your WiFi doesn't just mean anybody can use it but also that anybody can see what you're doing as most sites don't use SSL.

You're right, you could easily use it to view where they were going, what they were looking at, and what forms they submitted. Could catch telnet/pop unencrypted also.